Global Dimming

[john fitzgerald]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15809.htm

 

This is a great little film for anyone who hasn't seen it before, and it makes me wonder if COP15 is all for the wrong reasons. Everyone should see this film and then ask themselves would they like to live on this planet in as little as 30 years from now.

 

John F.

[Lila Smith]

Yes John I have a DVD on this and saw it about 3 years ago for the first time, evidence from 9/11 proved it - what a shocker eh, and to think that we have actually man made cooling by way of global dimming as opposed to the true temp of mmgw..............I guess it is very similar to my DVD and when you take away the plane con trails or com trails whatever they are called -  then how much hotter are we going to be...

 

How much hotter are we going to be when oil really runs out!!!.....

 

 

Lila Smith
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[V Wood]

Yes I saw it too. Good film.  It also serves as an example of what could happen if we start treating GW with such engineering intentionally.   Once you go down that path, you must keep it up or suddenly you are living in an oven.  It's not good to mess with Mother Nature - she always wins...

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Subject: Re: [Monbiot] Global Dimming
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:32:45 +1300

[V Wood]

What happened in Copenhagen was expected, I am so sorry to say.  The big boys got together, hammered out a farcical deal among themselves and promptly left the conference to deal with it.  Shame on them.  Shame on humanity. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34475636/ns/us_news-environment/page/2/

A quote:
Reacting to the Copenhagen "deal", John Sauven, executive director of Greenpeace UK, said: "The city of Copenhagen is a crime scene tonight, with the guilty men and women fleeing to the airport.
"There are no targets for carbon cuts and no agreement on a legally binding treaty," he observed.
"It is now evident that beating global warming will require a radically different model of politics than the one on display here in Copenhagen."

And George says:

Goodbye Africa, goodbye south Asia; goodbye glaciers and sea ice, coral reefs and rainforest; it was nice knowing you, not that we really cared. The governments which moved so swiftly to save the banks have bickered and filibustered while the biosphere burns.

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/12/18/scramble-for-the-atmosphere/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email

Many of the more optimistic among us believe that the agreement reached can be furthered in 2010 with another conference.  Do you believe that? 

This is not a deal.  This is one step to catastrophe.  This is turning our backs on Nature and our children's children.  When humanity looks back to the decisive moment in history when we took this path, it will not be when oil was discovered in the 1800s, nor will it be when the Green Revolution began in the 50s.  No, it will be when we all came to recognise that we had a problem that would destroy the world as we know it, and dutifully adhering to the interests of big money and big corporate power, walked away from its solution consciously, deliberately, with fanfare.

Best
V

[John Russell]

Victor wrote, "...we all came to recognise that we had a problem that would destroy the world as we know it, and dutifully adhering to the interests of big money and big corporate power, walked away from its solution consciously, deliberately, with fanfare."

Nice words, Victor. There lies the truth: we're addicted to all that we have known and we won't give it up until reality catches up with us and it's too late to save ourselves. We're all victims of mob rule.

Here's our epitaph:  'The human race: too clever for their own good'.

Best wishes,

JR



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[John Russell]

I also meant to add that this is the biggest, most significant, 'tragedy of the commons' of all time.

I believe 18th December 2009 will go down in history as a watershed day for life on Earth; of equal if not greater significance for the planet as the death of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. We're screwed folks. And the sad thing is the majority of the population can't -- or refuse -- to see it.

Best wishes,

JR

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[Duncan Hewitt]

This week I have become more angry than I have ever been. Angry at the
incompetance of those we chose to lead us, angry at the self-serving
corporates trampling underfoot the pawns they care nothing about, angry at
all those individuals and institutes that see the entire human race as
nothing but 'consumers', as numbers, as statistics, as profit-line. Angry
at the world's leaders who brokered this none-deal, who knew damn-well
they had no intention of signing up to anything less than they thought
they could get away with for their own short-term profit so they could
keep their own electorate happy in blissful ignorance, and most of all,
angry at myself for my relative impotence. Bloody pathetic politicians
with less backbone than a mealworm. And shame most of them will be dead
before the shit really hits the fan. If I had my way I'd stake each and
every one of them to a pole on a Maldive beach and keep them alive to
experience the effects of climate change close-up, to witness the fear
first-hand of those on the front-line, whose lives are genuinely in peril.

Duncan

[Lila Smith]

I know Victor, it just terrible as I watched it unfold day after day, I thought in the beginning with the smaller nations hammering home such valid points that at least it would wake up some of them, what a waste of time and huge amount of money it all was, I should imagine that the protesters who visited to attempt to make a point - feel totally gutted - what a farce its all been......nothing concrete, just a stage show is all it has been.

 

 

Lila Smith
www.windwand.co.nz
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www.windwand.co.nz/organickitchengarden.htm
Organic Kitchen Gardening
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[V Wood]

You know, Lila, as the days go on I  begin to see how very utterly corrupt this world system is, through and through, top to bottom.  You can no longer believe anyone in power - not in government, not in your company.  It is all a lie.  All image.   And in the end, it will kill us.

V

[John Russell]

I didn't see this film first time round on the BBC. It confirms my worst fears. Thanks for posting it, John.

So, unwittingly, for the last 50 years we've been using the most popular geo-engineering 'solution' and now we're contemplating increasing it to combat further heating. And at the same time as we're screwing up the weather patterns and dimming sunlight with this geo-engineering solution, we expect to be able to grow 50% more food for another 2bn people? You're 'aving a laugh!  So I wonder if Monsanto are working on drought-resistant plants that require 20% less sunlight?

Oh, what a tangled web...

Best wishes,

JR


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[Joan Sutherland]

I agree with you all, though it leads to despair. Might there be some (black) hope in the sooner rather than later arrival of peak oil? Might we be near a time when atmospheric carbon is reduced simply by accessible oil fields drying up?

Joan

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[Lila Smith]

Yes Joan, that is my hope, after all you can never believe reserve quantities, do you remember Ghawar when new regulation came in in the 80's  -   whereby reserves had to be declared world wide and those figures have been taken as gospel, however Saudi Arabia hiked up their reserves to a false level and have kept them there even to today, I believe there is not the oil that is supposed, I am an avid follower of Heinberg and if he says we are in trouble with Peak Oil then we are in trouble, however I don't see it as trouble, rather the spoke in the wheel that will stop the consumerism and collapse the global economies...because it is becoming more and more obvious to me that only collapsed economies will actually prove to reduce emissions...

 

Hopefully oil will go to $200 per barrel in the short term, and we know how much damage it caused economies when that happened in the last year or so, however my one fear is that governments will not allow that to happen ever again and avoid damage by subsidizing oil prices to the public and business sector with plastic money....after all there is no real left..

 

I don't know about anyone else, but did any of you happen to catch the news out of America, whereby many who were against Bernanke for organising billions or trillions of dollars to prop up banks etc - those same people  are now starting to think that maybe Bernanke was 100% right  is beginning to be actually seen as a saviour and he should be given a medal of sorts, or appropriately thanked - how quickly public opinion has changed.....

 

 

Lila Smith
www.windwand.co.nz
Taranaki Tourism Website
www.windwand.co.nz/organickitchengarden.htm
Organic Kitchen Gardening
Mob 021230 7962
06 7512942
122 Ngamotu Road
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[V Wood]

It is clearly a symptom of an abusive relationship.  The abuser causes unspeakable pain and then acts contrite and soothes the wounds and bandages them.  The abused is very grateful for the relief from pain, indeed so grateful that they would do anything for the abuser.

I don't think I have to tell you who the abusers are in this world, or the abused....

Best
V

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Subject: Re: [Monbiot] Leaving the Crime Scene in Copenhagen

Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:17:53 +1300

[Lila Smith]

so in other words the world is full of  grateful co-dependants (-:

 

Lila Smith
www.windwand.co.nz
Taranaki Tourism Website
www.windwand.co.nz/organickitchengarden.htm
Organic Kitchen Gardening
Mob 021230 7962
06 7512942
122 Ngamotu Road
New Plymouth
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[V Wood]

You should be thanking Wall Street, the Fed and the Central Bankers of the world for saving the global economy.  And for continuing to look out for us into the future.

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:03:21 +1300

[royj]

Listening to the reports of the Copenhagen event, I was struck by the
fact that the amounts of money discussed as possible transfers (of the
order of 100B$) were of the same order of magnitude as the amounts
discussed in the context of the banking and economic crises of small
countries like Ireland or Greece. Where is our sense of proportion?
This is small change compared to the amount tied up in the global
military expenditure. This makes the Quaker Peace Testimony of crucial
importance. We need to address the global military bill and get it
dicerted to the climate change problem. RoyJ

On Dec 19, 8:33 am, V Wood <victor_w...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What happened in Copenhagen was expected, I am so sorry to say. The big boys got together, hammered out a farcical deal among themselves and promptly left the conference to deal with it. Shame on them. Shame on humanity.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34475636/ns/us_news-environment/page/2/
>
> A quote:
> Reacting to the Copenhagen "deal", John Sauven, executive director
> of Greenpeace UK, said: "The city of Copenhagen is a crime scene
> tonight, with the guilty men and women fleeing to the airport.
> "There are no targets for carbon cuts and no agreement on a legally binding treaty," he observed.
> "It
> is now evident that beating global warming will require a radically
> different model of politics than the one on display here in
> Copenhagen."
>
> And George says:
>
> Goodbye Africa, goodbye south Asia; goodbye glaciers and sea ice, coral
> reefs and rainforest; it was nice knowing you, not that we really
> cared. The governments which moved so swiftly to save the banks have
> bickered and filibustered while the biosphere burns.
>

> http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/12/18/scramble-for-the-atmospher...

[TM Printing Ltd]

On 19 Noll 2009, at 21:23, V Wood wrote:

You know, Lila, as the days go on I  begin to see how very utterly corrupt this world system is, through and through, top to bottom.  You can no longer believe anyone in power - not in government, not in your company.  It is all a lie.  All image.   And in the end, it will kill us.

V

I don't think my comment before Cop-out-hagen was particularly insightful - I was merely stating the obvious:

Copenhagen is a talking shop. Talks about talks. Quote: "Delegates have to craft a blueprint for tackling man-made greenhouse gases". Cunning wording, eh? No action, just talking about 'crafting a blueprint'.

The only thing to come out of Copehagen will be yet more hot air.

David

[Joan Sutherland]

Remember the Medici? the Caesars, the Egyptian Pharoahs and the Assyrians? Remember the Spanish in the New World, the wars of the Roses and the witch burnings? Consider the Vatican...there are a few societies and many individual people who have taken as their mantra that one "renders unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar" ..taxes, laws etc...but one bases one's being and trust in life's meaning and the best ways to act, in the instincts and powers that actually reaches one's personal being. It sounds a bit spooky and flaky, but there's no way of living in the world and doing good work if we all refuse to trust ourselves and instead trust governments and other power holders. In this way Europeans are more mature and less naive than we are as they lived through the dissillusionment of two horrendously filthy wars. Is this why they are ahead of us environmentaly? It's not a question of not relating to them. We have to call governments to task and push them by hook or crook to act the way we want them to. Doesn't it mean approaching them with our eyes wide open, knowing that they don't give a tinker's damn and would shoot us tomorrow if that made it easier for them to gain more advantage?

Joan

 

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Joan

I never said 'welcome' to this list, though I might have missed others' welcomes.

Whereabouts are you? I sounds like you're in the States, which if true will give us a useful perspective.

I like what you've written so far, especially "but there's no way of living in the world and doing good work if we all refuse to trust ourselves and instead trust governments and other power holders". Keep it up, please, it's inspirational stuff.

I've had a kind of Ghandi-esque approach to such stuff over the years: non-confrontational non-participation might be a reasonable description. It's possibly regarded as a form of cowardice but hey, it's cheap! Don't give money or time to the bastards. Examples? Don't use banks, rely on cash; borrow or hire or buy second-hand; buy local; buy nothing! walk don't drive; drive don't fly; don't go! insulate; watch no tv; turn off adverts; support veganism even if you're not a vegan; talk to people about positivity and localisation.

Any good?

8)))

David