Received: by 10.114.60.5 with SMTP id i5mr299942waa.34.1284560130363; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:15:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: mobile-portland@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.67.12 with SMTP id u12ls1065069wak.3.p; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.48.1 with SMTP id v1mr309318wfv.4.1284560129366; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.48.1 with SMTP id v1mr309317wfv.4.1284560129320; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k8si1810593wfa.6.2010.09.15.07.15.28; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of e...@infinitysw.com) client-ip=74.125.83.182; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of e...@infinitysw.com) smtp.mail=e...@infinitysw.com Received: by mail-pv0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 21so76737pvc.27 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.210.6 with SMTP id i6mr1823984wag.139.1284560128451; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.0.1.11] (pool-96-253-170-158.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [96.253.170.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d39sm2452073wam.16.2010.09.15.07.15.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2603D7FA-DDFE-4B08-B33C-F842EE5854DF@infinitysw.com> From: Elia Freedman To: "mobile-portland@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15--837238840 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B500) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B500) Subject: Re: {Mobile Portland} Changing the discussion Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:15:22 -0700 References: <46D82BC6-B9CF-4F8F-84C1-4373E88B3...@infinitysw.com> <4ece4b21-80cb-4ecd-a99f-178e77eb0...@x24g2000pro.googlegroups.com> --Apple-Mail-15--837238840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a hard time believing these consequences are what Google wanted. = Yes, Google has been complacent for whatever reasons in many cases, = including this net neutrality manifesto they penned with Verizon, but it = is hard to believe that they saw the resulting removal of Google from = the device. Google doesn't make money from the services they provide, at = least not much. They make money from the advertising in those products. = If Google isn't the advertising base than they don't make money. Verizon = kicking them off certain Android phones in favor of Bing... Got to be a = kick in the teeth. But it is hard to believe that Google foresaw the = eventuality. Elia p.s. Heard it said recently, to paraphrase, if you are not spending the = money then you are not the customer, you are the product. On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:43 PM, Rob Banagale wrote: > Google and Verizon aren't exactly on the same page here, they have > differing views on fcc regulatory integration. =20 >=20 > Google and Verizon published a joint policy proposal called = "Verizon-Google Legislative Framework Proposal" that absolves wireless = carriers from most provisions of net neutrality. Part of that plan = includes langage about FCC's case-by-case enforcement and regulatory = authority. Are they not on the same page when they jointly recommended = this plan to the FCC? > =20 > I'm hearing undertones of an iPhone destroying conspiracy theory here = which I have a hard time subscribing to. >=20 > I don't think Google is out to destroy the iPhone specifically as they = are out to stake out a claim in the mobile revolution at any cost to = consumers. They're probably doing more damage the experience of other = platforms than iOS users. iOS users arguably have the brightest future = at this point. >=20 > Google's big idea was to release an open handset that free'd us from > the grasp of the carriers, it wasn't to release a nice gadget to play > music. To me it seems that the carriers turned this against Google = by > deliberately neutering Android, with AT&T being the biggest offender > by far. >=20 > It seems that the big idea has failed. Android is Frankenstein's = monster. > =20 > I don't know where to place Google in the scheme of things simply > because the public is not given real facts to make such a decision. >=20 > Carriers had full control over headset software before, and Android = seems to have extended that control into smartphones. Rather than = follow-through with the Nexus One, or order a Nexus Two it has = surrendered to the whims of carriers so long as it gains marketshare for = to create a bigger audience for its mobile advertisements.=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google = Groups "Mobile Portland" group. > To post to this group, send email to mobile-portland@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to = mobile-portland+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at = http://groups.google.com/group/mobile-portland?hl=3Den. --Apple-Mail-15--837238840 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a hard time believing these = consequences are what Google wanted. Yes, Google has been complacent for = whatever reasons in many cases, including this net neutrality manifesto = they penned with Verizon, but it is hard to believe that they saw the = resulting removal of Google from the device. Google doesn't make money = from the services they provide, at least not much. They make money from = the advertising in those products. If Google isn't the advertising base = than they don't make money. Verizon kicking them off certain Android = phones in favor of Bing... Got to be a kick in the teeth. But it is hard = to believe that Google foresaw the = eventuality.

Elia

p.s. Heard it said = recently, to paraphrase, if you are not spending the money then you are = not the customer, you are the = product.



On Sep 14, 2010, at = 11:43 PM, Rob Banagale <r...@banagale.com> = wrote:

Google and = Verizon aren't exactly on the same page here, they have
differing views on fcc regulatory integration. =  

Google and Verizon published a = joint policy proposal called "Verizon-Google Legislative Framework Proposal" that absolves = wireless carriers from most provisions of net neutrality.  Part of = that plan includes langage about FCC's case-by-case enforcement and = regulatory authority.  Are they not on the same page when they = jointly recommended this plan to the FCC?
 
I'm hearing undertones of an iPhone destroying conspiracy theory = here which I have a hard time subscribing = to.

I don't think Google is out to = destroy the iPhone specifically as they are out to stake out a claim in = the mobile revolution at any cost to consumers. They're probably doing = more damage the experience of other platforms than iOS users. iOS users = arguably have the brightest future at this point.

Google's big idea = was to release an open handset that free'd us from
the grasp of the carriers, it wasn't to release a nice gadget to = play
music.   To me it seems that the carriers turned this against = Google by
deliberately neutering Android, with AT&T being the biggest = offender
by far.

It seems that the big idea = has failed. Android is Frankenstein's = monster.
 
I don't know where to place Google in the scheme of things simply
because the public is not given real facts to make such a decision. =

Carriers had full control over = headset software before, and Android seems to have extended = that control into smartphones. Rather than follow-through with the Nexus = One, or order a Nexus Two it has surrendered to the whims of carriers so = long as it gains marketshare for to create a bigger audience for its = mobile advertisements. 

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