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pip

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Mar 1, 2012, 10:09:13 AM3/1/12
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Here's the new 5d's specs :

Well it's here nearly, time to raid that piggy bank !!!!


Unsurpassed Image Quality
22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor
DiG!C 5+ Image Processor
ISO 100-25600 (expandable to L:50 H1:51200, H2: 102400
Full HD Movie (ISO 100-12800 (H:25600)

High Performance Operation
61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points)
6.0 fps for high continuous shooting
Intelligent viewfinder with approx. 100% coverage
3.2-type, approx.1.04m dot (3:2 wide) Clear View LCD II
iFCL metering with 63-zone dual-layer sensor
Shutter durability of 150,000 cycles

High end features
Silent & low vibration modes
Dual card slots (CF & SD)
High Dynamic Range (HDR) Mode
Multiple Exposures
Comparative Playback function
Improved durability & water and dust resistance

SPECIFICATIONS
Available Colours – Black
Megapixels – 22MP
Sensor Size – 36 x 24mm
ISO/Sensitivity – 100 – 25600
Autofocus Points – 61 points
Lens Mount – Canon
LCD Size – 3.2″
Liveview – Yes
Viewfinder – Optical TTL
Min Shutter Speed – 30 sec
Max Shutter Speed – 1/8000 sec
Continuous Shooting Speed – 6 fps
Self Timer – 10 sec, 2 sec
Metering – Centre-weighted, Spot, Evaluative, Partial
Video Resolution – Full HD 1080
Memory Type – Compact Flash
Connectivity – USB 2, HDMI, Mic Input, Wireless (optional)
Battery – LP-E6
Battery Type – Lithium-ion
Charger – Includes Li-Ion Charger
File Formats – AVI, RAW, H.264, MOV, MPEG-4
Dimensions – 152 x 116 x 76mm
Box Contents – Battery Pack LP-E6 .. Battery Charger LC-E6 .. AV Cable
AVC-DC400ST .. Interface Cable IFC-200U .. Eyecup Eg .. Wide Strap
EWEOS5DMKIII .. CR1616 Lithium Battery+

KB Photo

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Mar 1, 2012, 10:16:11 AM3/1/12
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Awesome - CPS actually listens - I asked them for multiple exposures 2 years ago - woohooo!


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Danne

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Mar 1, 2012, 10:31:42 AM3/1/12
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Well, will this camera be able to program with magic lantern? Probably
a question a lot of people wonders about? Sure hope It,s not as tough
as getting into the 7d??
//Daniel

Thomas Mihailos

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Mar 1, 2012, 10:52:58 AM3/1/12
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under file formats is "RAW" for just images/pictures or directly related to Video?
do you have any specs for the frame rates available ?

"Sztupák Sz. Zsolt"

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Mar 1, 2012, 11:04:07 AM3/1/12
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It is a new processor (hopefully similar to Digic 5), that makes initial
porting probably a bit harder.
"Fortunately" it doesn't seem to be Dual Digic as the 1DX or the 7D though.

SztupY


> Well, will this camera be able to program with magic lantern? Probably
> a question a lot of people wonders about? Sure hope It,s not as tough
> as getting into the 7d??
> //Daniel
>
> On 1 mar, 16:16, KB Photo<KBPh...@KarenImages.com> wrote:
>> Awesome - CPS actually listens - I asked them for multiple exposures 2
>> years ago - woohooo!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:09 AM, pip<pete.scha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Here's the new 5d's specs :
>>> Well it's here nearly, time to raid that piggy bank !!!!
>>> Unsurpassed Image Quality
>>> 22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor
>>> DiG!C 5+ Image Processor
>>> ISO 100-25600 (expandable to L:50 H1:51200, H2: 102400
>>> Full HD Movie (ISO 100-12800 (H:25600)
>>> High Performance Operation
>>> 61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points)
>>> 6.0 fps for high continuous shooting
>>> Intelligent viewfinder with approx. 100% coverage
>>> 3.2-type, approx.1.04m dot (3:2 wide) Clear View LCD II
>>> iFCL metering with 63-zone dual-layer sensor
>>> Shutter durability of 150,000 cycles
>>> High end features

>>> Silent& low vibration modes
>>> Dual card slots (CF& SD)


>>> High Dynamic Range (HDR) Mode
>>> Multiple Exposures
>>> Comparative Playback function

>>> Improved durability& water and dust resistance

Danne

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Mar 1, 2012, 11:48:00 AM3/1/12
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Not dual digic, sounds promising :)!
//D

Moira O'Brien LIPF

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Mar 1, 2012, 1:15:11 PM3/1/12
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Video Formats: 

AVI, RAW, H.264, MOV, MPEG-4

RAW???

Very intrersting.  Looking forward to seeing the price!

Moira
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Trammell Hudson

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Mar 1, 2012, 1:29:12 PM3/1/12
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 18:15:11 +0000, Moira O'Brien LIPF wrote:
> Video Formats: AVI, RAW, H.264, MOV, MPEG-4
> RAW???

Where did you see video formats with raw in the list? The canonrumors
one only says "File formats". Although the lack of JPEG seems odd, and
all of the others in that list are video formats, so maybe...

I'll be ordering one and hope that the single DIGIC will make it
amenable to porting Magic Lantern.

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arm.indy

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Mar 1, 2012, 3:41:36 PM3/1/12
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The 61 points AF and iFCL metering will need a dedicated Digic4, like
for the 1D-X.
I bet a unique Digic5+ processor will be used for the new 5D.

Indy (who still has ideas for the dual digics 7D)

Wesley Clouden

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Mar 1, 2012, 3:43:28 PM3/1/12
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will see how this all works out soon
Im still working on unlocking the 7D

Im sure I will get done befoer summer
I got noting but time get pass the encryption
off the 2nd processor 


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arm.indy

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Mar 1, 2012, 4:05:50 PM3/1/12
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Wesley,
the checksum for the 2nd digic code (master) is done on the -
decrypted- version, and not on the encrypted version (like for the
slave code).
I found this in January.

to build the .fir file:
slave: first xor-encode, then checksum
master: first checksum, then xor-encode

Indy

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> Im still working on unlocking the 7D
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> Im sure I will get done befoer summer
> I got noting but time get pass the encryption
> off the 2nd processor
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arm.indy

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Mar 2, 2012, 1:09:13 AM3/2/12
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Samples:
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/5dmk3/samples/

Model Id is 0x80000285

please contact me when someone have the camera in hands, and want to
try a 'backup' to CF or SD.

Indy

Danne

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Mar 2, 2012, 2:55:39 AM3/2/12
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Totally gonna need magic lantern on this camera :).

Moira O'Brien LIPF

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What a waste! Didn''t Canon learn ANYTHING from Magic Lantern.  So far as I can see the only useful addition is on screen audio and levels adjusting while filming.

We will definitely need ML>

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Huey Lee

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Mar 2, 2012, 5:00:08 AM3/2/12
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Well Canon has their video division, they just can't afford to outgun their own C300. We are lucky to have alex and the gangs working on magic lantern

JaKob

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Mar 2, 2012, 6:45:44 AM3/2/12
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right..... come on!! hdmi out =(

- Jakob

Daniele Musso

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Up to what I've seen up to now from sample video and spec, I think Mark II + ML will continue to be the preferred choice for canonist videomakers.
I don't think I worth the upgrade.
Canon failed this milestone-making mark X this time,
a bit deceived..
Clean HDMI where been much more interesting than infra/intra GOP feature..

Daniele

Huey Lee

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Mar 2, 2012, 8:09:02 AM3/2/12
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Looks like Mark3 will have better 1080p video without line skipping ===> less rolling shutter and moire. Not sure if the HDMI out is still 480p or maybe 1080p with overlay.

Malcolm Debono

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From one of the reviews I've read (if I remember well cinema5d), HDMI out is at 1080p but with overlays.
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Huey Lee

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From my source ( Phillip Bloom blog), he mentioned that it's on 720p HDMI signal out.

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Bohemian Imports

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Moira O'Brien LIPF

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"Continuing what made the 5D Mark II so popular, the 5D Mark III offers significant HD video quality. Multiple formats are supported including 1080/30p and 720/60p, and continuous recording times up to 29 minutes 59 seconds are now possible—with time code. The camera compresses video as either I-frame-only or as IPB, for two variations of the H.264/MPEG-4 AVC codec.

What separates the 5D’s video recording from that of other DSLRs is manual adjustment of settings and audio levels while recording. These features are available, in part, due to Live View; which permits real-time monitoring on the LCD as well as menu functionality during recording. The DIGIC 5+ processor also enhances the 5D Mark III’s video functions by improving response times and reducing color artifacts, aberrations and moiré."

A lot of this sounds interesting.  While it wont give full ML functionality, I think the improved low light capability, 720/60p and continuous recording to 30 mins will be very useful.

Moira O'Brien LIPF

JaKob

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New HD video features in the EOS 5D Mark III
http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/5d3_hd_video_features.shtml?categoryId=12

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RedKiteMedia

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Mar 4, 2012, 5:14:20 PM3/4/12
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If the movie mode can hold resolution close to the photo mode? I would
be very happy. With current camera's picture quality falls apart on
wideshots at 15 or more meters. My super wide angle shots on 600d look
like cellphone quality. Compare photo mode to video mode when shooting
forests and the quality degradation is shocking. For me that is the
primary shortcoming. If thats fixed it's well worth the upgrade. The
rest is nice to have.

James Donnelly

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Mar 4, 2012, 6:08:12 PM3/4/12
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I presume you mean once you've down sampled the images to match the resolution of the video.

Also, could you share what lens you're using?  I don't see how the sensor can be said to produce different quality images at different focal lengths, other things being equal, but I am prepared to be educated.

Morgan Look

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Mar 4, 2012, 8:51:12 PM3/4/12
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Hi James.

As you go wider the detail in the scene becomes finer.  The current range of Canons are not capable of resolving this fine detail in video mode.

To keep up with the video frame rate, the processor simply discards most of the image data (using a process called line skipping), this limits the resolution of the image and introduces other artifacting such as aliasing and moire.

Another factor that affects the detail and resolution of the video is the h.264 compression, fine detail is lost as areas of similar colour are blocked together dropping detail in the process.

If you were to simply scale/crop your still photo down to 1920x1080, you would have a much more detailed image than a single frame of video.  Especially if there is lots of fine detail.

It will be a matter of wait and see, but the 5Diii looks like it should do a much better job of dealing with these issues.  The increased bit-rate encoding, along with pixel binning instead of line skipping should retain much more detail from the equivalent still image.  The ALL-I codec should produce something roughly equivalent to a sequence of 1920x1080 jpeg images.

Another area we should see a big improvement with the 5Diii is the reduction of rolling shutter artifacts.  Try panning your camera around faster and faster, you'll see people appear to "lean" over as the speed increases.

Hope this helps.

Morgan.

Lionel Davey

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The ALL-I codec will be best if the bitrate is sufficient. However, it's biggest claim to fame for the canon implementation is the post editing ease.

The IPB code should produce the best visual results as B-frames increase compression by around 30% iirc.

This all depends on the capabilities of the codec. I've seen plenty of h.264 codecs that don't perform as well as h.263. (Sorry can't link atm as I'm on my phone.)

I'd love to see the IPB code ported back to the digic4 processors.

James Donnelly

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Thanks for the reply Morgan.  I guess I didn't make my question clear.  What I meant was, why does the focal length affect the resolution of the sensor? Maybe Redkite was saying that wide shots expose the camera's lack of resolution, something I would agree with.  But the impression I got was that somehow the issue shooting wide was somehow specific to the Canon's, hence my response.


On 5 March 2012 01:51, Morgan Look <morga...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi James.

As you go wider the detail in the scene becomes finer.  The current range of Canons are not capable of resolving this fine detail in video mode.

I understand that more details may be crammed in to a wide shot, exposing the resolution limits of the camera, but I would call that apparent loss of resolution, not actual, as in "the image falls apart".

 
To keep up with the video frame rate, the processor simply discards most of the image data (using a process called line skipping), this limits the resolution of the image and introduces other artifacting such as aliasing and moire.


I don't want to sound ungrateful, but I understand this quite well.
 
 
Another factor that affects the detail and resolution of the video is the h.264 compression, fine detail is lost as areas of similar colour are blocked together dropping detail in the process.

Again, my question was, why does this phenomenon affect resolution specificaly at wide angles? Perceived resolution (when using a wide lens) I understand.  But it if that's the case, then why don't we just say that the Canon's lack resolution in video mode, owing to a range of factors, rather than saying they are are poor at wide shots.  Wide shots will expose the resolution limitations on any camera.

I hope this makes my question clearer, and again with respect to the knowledge of you and RedKite, who know far more than I about these things.  Just trying to learn.
 

If you were to simply scale/crop your still photo down to 1920x1080, you would have a much more detailed image than a single frame of video.  Especially if there is lots of fine detail.

The reason I asked about downsampling was to see if Redkite was expecting comparable results from stills and video, which obviously won't be the case from the 5DIII.
 

Redkite Bart

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Hi James,

 

Focal length doesn't affect resolution at all. It's the subject that matters and the perceived resolution. When shooting close up, a lack of perceived resolution is often desired. Movie makers with HQ gear have complaining talents because to much face detail is visible. They add soft filters to compensate for that. This is pretty ridiculous. You have 100k gear with jaw dropping resolution and quality and have to put on a blur filter.

A canon dslr is great in portraits and personally I see very little difference in portraits from high end cameras and ones from 550d with plastic fantastic (50mm 1.8II). Lack of resolution isn’t a problem with shallow depth of field either with the subject large in the frame. Like leaves, animals, grass etc. It can even help because less detail produces more stable movements. No complains there at all.

When you want deep focus shots with lots of detail like forests, you can get these super wides like 16mm on full frame and capture a forest that looks like a forest on the screen. I mean establishing shots that place the viewer in the area where the story takes place. There is not much selective focus needed. Here I get very disappointed results from the current 550d/600d with my Tamron 11-18mm. Stills look great but video is awful. Now I switch to (hdr) timelapse for these shots or I’ll grab my Sony hx9v compact with 24mm wide. It shoots 1080 50p and the landscapes looks great. I would love to do these shots with the Canon dslr. I can get the right aperture most of the time but it’s the resolution that spoils everything.  Now I need two tools and can’t use my lenses on both. High detailed 11mm (17mm) shots on my 600d would be very very nice.  I’ve considered a GH2 for landscape but have to buy a whole new set of expensive lenses and the cropfactor doesn’t allow such wide angles.

Also a couple of ML features do best on landscapes like the hdr film mode and fps override. Now they have limited use because you have to accept the low resolution. I have a great avisynth all video workflow at 720 50p with little ghosting but I will not use it because of the 720p lack of resolution.

Peter Scharff

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Newish canon 5D III videos up that show lens camera configs on the 5D III 

Wolfgang

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Mar 6, 2012, 2:38:52 AM3/6/12
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Horizontal resolution of the Mk3 now is 5760 which samples down to
1920 (3 times) perfectly.

I guess this helps a lot in keeping good video quality with view
processing overhead :-)

Best,
Wolfgang

eggnot

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Mar 8, 2012, 6:46:19 AM3/8/12
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the most artifacts you can see here https://vimeo.com/groups/5dmark/videos/38055013
comes from not the bitrate factor of compression, but because 4:2:0 colorspace
despite colorspace video is impressive: no much moire&artifacts.

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