there's nothing quite like being flat broke
$Zero
you see things that everyone else misses
i've been flat broke most of my life
i've seen quite a lot
-$Zero...
riding the Hillary wave to real change
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/8a5ca6a00f55dff3
boots
>there's nothing quite like being flat broke
>
>you see things that everyone else misses
>
>i've been flat broke most of my life
>
>i've seen quite a lot
Over the millennia various spiritual leaders have advocated poverty.
When you have a fat bank account, lots of high-limit credit cards,
insurance for everything... those things shield you from seeing the
miraculous. You simply don't need miracles. Most times. Then one
day a bridge falls in the river while you're driving across it and
there you are, dead. Funny world.
--
just write it
Cleverly done
"$Zero" <zero...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> there's nothing quite like being flat broke
>
> you see things that everyone else misses
>
> i've been flat broke most of my life
>
> i've seen quite a lot
>
>
> -$Zero...
Houston (Dean Martin)
I got holes in both of my shoes
Well I'm a walking case of the blues
Saw a dollar yesterday
But the wind blew it away
Goin' back to Houston, Houston, Houston
I haven't eaten in about a week
I'm so hungry when I walk I squeak
Nobody calls me friend
It's sad the shape I'm in
Goin' back to Houston, Houston, Houston
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGy-pmIWqnk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCDcp5xwNFA
--VD-CD-AC/DC-BC&AD
roye...@yahoo.com
Skipper
<0d67dff5-e446-4d99...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
$Zero <zero...@gmail.com> wrote:
Catch a different wave - you might have more than change. Maybe real
dollars, even.
Pies de Arcilla
> "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >there's nothing quite like being flat broke
>
> >you see things that everyone else misses
>
> >i've been flat broke most of my life
>
> >i've seen quite a lot
>
> Over the millennia various spiritual leaders have advocated poverty.
> When you have a fat bank account, lots of high-limit credit cards,
> insurance for everything... those things shield you from seeing the
> miraculous.
If poverty is such a great thing, I guess you don't have to feel sorry
for the poor. But poverty is not being able to give other people
anything they want enough to pay you for, and that's the shittiest
feeling I know. Aside from taking charity.
It feels good when other people feel good, and that's when they pay
you money. It feels bad when other people feel bad, such as guilt that
makes them give you charity or sympathy.
When people ask me for money on the street, I frequently empty my
wallet. That's because I hate them for trying to make me feel guilty
with some bullshit story, and I want to make them feel guilty too for
taking money they don't deserve.
Josh Hill
<dear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>If poverty is such a great thing, I guess you don't have to feel sorry
>for the poor. But poverty is not being able to give other people
>anything they want enough to pay you for, and that's the shittiest
>feeling I know. Aside from taking charity.
>
>It feels good when other people feel good, and that's when they pay
>you money. It feels bad when other people feel bad, such as guilt that
>makes them give you charity or sympathy.
>
>When people ask me for money on the street, I frequently empty my
>wallet. That's because I hate them for trying to make me feel guilty
>with some bullshit story, and I want to make them feel guilty too for
>taking money they don't deserve.
Do you think they feel guilty? I'd guess that the ones who do deserve
it -- genuinely need it -- are the ones who feel guilty, and the one's
who don't don't.
--
Josh
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because
I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony
Pies de Arcilla
Josh Hill wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:20:59 -0800 (PST), Pies de Arcilla
> <dear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >If poverty is such a great thing, I guess you don't have to feel sorry
> >for the poor. But poverty is not being able to give other people
> >anything they want enough to pay you for, and that's the shittiest
> >feeling I know. Aside from taking charity.
> >
> >It feels good when other people feel good, and that's when they pay
> >you money. It feels bad when other people feel bad, such as guilt that
> >makes them give you charity or sympathy.
> >
> >When people ask me for money on the street, I frequently empty my
> >wallet. That's because I hate them for trying to make me feel guilty
> >with some bullshit story, and I want to make them feel guilty too for
> >taking money they don't deserve.
>
> Do you think they feel guilty? I'd guess that the ones who do deserve
> it -- genuinely need it -- are the ones who feel guilty, and the one's
> who don't don't.
If so, to break the cycle of resentment, I should only give to the
undeserving. That's what I try to do.
Anyone who can go up to a stranger and ask for something seems to me
like someone pretty well off. Someone who doesn't have gigantic
amounts of clothing on, is probably not living on the street. Someone
who is coherent is probably not severely mentally ill/off meds. I
doubt anyone who's ever asked me for money "deserves" it.
I definitely need more conversational skills to talk to strangers. If
someone asks me for money when I'm on my way from work to eat, I could
ask them to eat with me. But it hasn't worked out that way yet.
Burr
"Pies de Arcilla" <dear...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:386121e6-004a-44f4...@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
"God loves the poor people, that's why he made so many of them"
Burr
boots
>On Jan 14, 1:47 pm, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
>> "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >there's nothing quite like being flat broke
>>
>> >you see things that everyone else misses
>>
>> >i've been flat broke most of my life
>>
>> >i've seen quite a lot
>>
>> Over the millennia various spiritual leaders have advocated poverty.
>> When you have a fat bank account, lots of high-limit credit cards,
>> insurance for everything... those things shield you from seeing the
>> miraculous.
>
>If poverty is such a great thing, I guess you don't have to feel sorry
>for the poor.
Self-pity is usually self-serving. I don't have to feel sorry for
white-people either, usually I just scratch my head and wonder why I
ain't black. I've had large gobs of money and it made me nuttier than
a frootcake as you can plainly see.
> But poverty is not being able to give other people
>anything they want enough to pay you for, and that's the shittiest
>feeling I know. Aside from taking charity.
Ever read the book of Job? It's in that Bible thingy, not the
want-ads. Ever think about what people want? Really want? It ain't
a new ipod, whatever an ipod is. You ever been loved, really loved?
I'm not talking about being fucked to near-death here, and I ain't
talking about Jayzus, I'm talking about love.
>It feels good when other people feel good,
Pretty nice, huh?
> and that's when they pay you money.
Is that really what's in it for you?
Truth of it is, when other people feel good, that's when I don't want
to take their money, I have no interest in their money, I'd much
rather just hang out with them and feel good about their feeling good.
> It feels bad when other people feel bad,
I'd have to say that depends. Usually yeah, but there are a few
scumsucking dirtbags out there who need some feces in their faceys to
turn their upside downside because their upside is a downer.
> such as guilt that makes them give you charity or sympathy.
You mean like leaving a big tip when your waitress is a sloppy
lame-assed bitch?
>When people ask me for money on the street, I frequently empty my
>wallet.
Usually my wallet is already empty. People never ask me for money on
the street. Usually they take one look and remember they have to be
anywhere else. They're leading the good life, what's theirs is
theirs, stay away from what's scary, poor bastards. People I bump
into, we get talking, pals for life in a second, no idea who any of
'em are, mostly they're archetypes; gotta love 'em.
> That's because I hate them for trying to make me feel guilty
>with some bullshit story, and I want to make them feel guilty too for
>taking money they don't deserve.
Well fuck 'em, let 'em rot in Hell.
You seem to be desirous of money, so I'll 'splain to you when people
give you money. People give you money when they think they're going
to get more in return. That's the only time. Think about it.
As for large gobs of money, that just happens, like a pigeon shitting
on your head instead of some statue.
--
just write it
boots
>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:20:59 -0800 (PST), Pies de Arcilla
><dear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>If poverty is such a great thing, I guess you don't have to feel sorry
>>for the poor. But poverty is not being able to give other people
>>anything they want enough to pay you for, and that's the shittiest
>>feeling I know. Aside from taking charity.
>>
>>It feels good when other people feel good, and that's when they pay
>>you money. It feels bad when other people feel bad, such as guilt that
>>makes them give you charity or sympathy.
>>
>>When people ask me for money on the street, I frequently empty my
>>wallet. That's because I hate them for trying to make me feel guilty
>>with some bullshit story, and I want to make them feel guilty too for
>>taking money they don't deserve.
>
>Do you think they feel guilty? I'd guess that the ones who do deserve
>it -- genuinely need it -- are the ones who feel guilty, and the one's
>who don't don't.
Usually yeah, but sometimes people understand that they are where they
are because of who they are. Not who-lineage, but who-essence.
--
just write it
boots
I have an older sister, she's damn near 80 now, never met a stranger
in her life.
What makes people strangers?
--
just write it
Stan (the Man)
a48a-738...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
<...>
> Anyone who can go up to a stranger and ask for something seems to me
> like someone pretty well off. Someone who doesn't have gigantic
> amounts of clothing on, is probably not living on the street. Someone
> who is coherent is probably not severely mentally ill/off meds. I
> doubt anyone who's ever asked me for money "deserves" it.
>
> I definitely need more conversational skills to talk to strangers. If
> someone asks me for money when I'm on my way from work to eat, I could
> ask them to eat with me. But it hasn't worked out that way yet.
I'm a bit of a sucker for anyone claiming to be hungry. Can't abide anyone
going hungry. But, I don't give them money. I'll find a pizzeria and get
them a couple of slices and a soda, or a sandwich from a deli. If I get
had, I get had. Either way, I've fed someone.
--
Stan
Glynne Gilmore
> who-essence
Nature and nurture innit.
Glynne Gilmore
I don't like giving money to a someone on the street. I have and felt
bad because I know the money probably didn't buy food. Tis better to
give to an organization that will provide food to those in need.
boots
Dunno, maybe it's even more basic than that.
--
just write it
Pies de Arcilla
> I have an older sister, she's damn near 80 now, never met a stranger
> in her life.
>
> What makes people strangers?
Strangers are the people who you demand money from on the street.
Pies de Arcilla
wrote:
> Pies de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote in news:b4719c1a-ea7a-4ee8-
> a48a-7387025ea...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
The other night, I was walking back to work and this guy asked me to
give him money to buy a can of soda for his kid. He was carrying
chinese takeout. In principle, I should have given him all my money,
but I was so amazed I just turned and walked away.
Pies de Arcilla
Who-essence is not your fault, any more than your looks.
and...people who do antisocial things frequently feel guilty, just not
guilty enough to stop them from doing whatever.
Pies de Arcilla
> You seem to be desirous of money, so I'll 'splain to you when people
> give you money. People give you money when they think they're going
> to get more in return. That's the only time. Think about it.
So you're saying that I should never feel guilty about being paid,
because I always give back more than I take.
Pies de Arcilla
> want-ads. Ever think about what people want? Really want? It ain't
> a new ipod, whatever an ipod is. You ever been loved, really loved?
> I'm not talking about being fucked to near-death here, and I ain't
> talking about Jayzus, I'm talking about love.
Do people really want diamond rings, chunks of carbon, or is it a
symbol of something? i.e. being really loved.
Consumer goods can symbolize that you work all day at giving other
people the things _they_ want.
boots
boots
How did "fault" get into this?
>and...people who do antisocial things frequently feel guilty, just not
>guilty enough to stop them from doing whatever.
And what does "guilt" have to do with antisocial? From what I've
observed the antisocial have less to be guilty about than their
complement.
--
just write it
boots
What I am telling you is written above, a brief description of a
simple mechanical property of money.
"Should" is your own puzzle to piece together, or toss on the floor.
--
just write it
Sylvia
> Pies de Arcilla wrote
>
> <...>
>
> > Anyone who can go up to a stranger and ask for something seems to me
> > like someone pretty well off. Someone who doesn't have gigantic
> > amounts of clothing on, is probably not living on the street. Someone
> > who is coherent is probably not severely mentally ill/off meds. I
> > doubt anyone who's ever asked me for money "deserves" it.
> >
> > I definitely need more conversational skills to talk to strangers. If
> > someone asks me for money when I'm on my way from work to eat, I could
> > ask them to eat with me. But it hasn't worked out that way yet.
>
> I'm a bit of a sucker for anyone claiming to be hungry. Can't abide anyone
> going hungry. But, I don't give them money. I'll find a pizzeria and get
> them a couple of slices and a soda, or a sandwich from a deli. If I get
> had, I get had. Either way, I've fed someone.
<aside>
This is why we can always get Mr. Stan to cook tons o'meat in his smoker
for the dinin' pleasure of MW Peeps at Wrevels. Watch this...
</aside>
<making big eyes>
<(delicately) swaying just a tad>
<softly tugging on Mr. Stan's sleeve>
Mr. Stan? I'm soooo awfully sorry to bother ya, but we're terrible weak
with hunger... at least we *will* be as soon as we all gather in North
Puffin this weekend. 'Scuse...
<making note to inform Mr. Harper of Impending Wrevel>
... anyway, we were kinda hopin', well, since yer smoker meat always
turns out so scrumptiously-delicious fallin' off the bone tender and
all... that is, to say...
FEED ME, SEYMOUR!
<singing>
"Ooooh! Ooooh! It's Suppertime!"
--
Sylvia (was that too subtle?)
cmcla...@milwagingconsortium.org
wrote:
> Pies de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote in news:b4719c1a-ea7a-4ee8-
> a48a-7387025ea...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Ah, I see you've become a liberal, what with not trusting people to
manage their own money. . .
Christine
Stan (the Man)
news:a01f2f25-be71-4a96...@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
Noop. I trust them to manage their own money. It's *my* money I don't
trust them to manage.
I do, however, trust them with my pizza.
--
Stan
Pies de Arcilla
> Pies de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 15, 6:25 am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
> >> I have an older sister, she's damn near 80 now, never met a stranger
> >> in her life.
>
> >> What makes people strangers?
>
> >Strangers are the people who you demand money from on the street.
>
> I'd call that a robbery victim.
People are strange when you're a stranger,
Faces look ugly when you're alone.
Women seem wicked when you're unwanted,
Streets are uneven when you're down.
When you're strange
Faces come out of the rain
When you're strange
No one remembers your name
When you're strange
When you're strange
When you're strange
Pies de Arcilla
> >and...people who do antisocial things frequently feel guilty, just not
> >guilty enough to stop them from doing whatever.
>
> And what does "guilt" have to do with antisocial? From what I've
> observed the antisocial have less to be guilty about than their
> complement.
Antisocial can mean a lot of different things. I think that when a
person is antisocial to a sufficient degree, they are objectively
defective in some as yet not understood neurological manner;mentally
ill.
I get the impression that when a normal person smiles at me, they feel
they are "owed" a smile in return. And furthermore, if I don't smile
at them, I imagine they think I am very stingy, because a smile is
such a cheap thing to them. So I feel guilty, as if I'm a freeloader
on the people around me. This leads to avoiding people because they
make me feel bad.
boots
I'm sure you had a point there Pies, but I guess you whooshed me. I
was strange when that song came out, I was strange before, I'm strange
still, and the time when I see a stranger is when I look up from the
bathroom sink without recalling there's a mirror there, before I have
a chance to slap the "self" archetype onto its contents. If there
were ways to slow the slapping I'd probably stand there all day.
Fascinated, slaphappy, dumber than a rock.
--
just write it
boots
>On Jan 16, 6:36 am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
>> >and...people who do antisocial things frequently feel guilty, just not
>> >guilty enough to stop them from doing whatever.
>>
>> And what does "guilt" have to do with antisocial? From what I've
>> observed the antisocial have less to be guilty about than their
>> complement.
>
>Antisocial can mean a lot of different things. I think that when a
>person is antisocial to a sufficient degree, they are objectively
>defective in some as yet not understood neurological manner;mentally
>ill.
Perhaps that, or perhaps they are objectively functional to an unusual
degree, it seems that would depend on the mental health implications
of societal requirements. Just because a thing is societally
accepted, or societally expected, does not imply that it is right in
any global sense.
>I get the impression that when a normal person smiles at me, they feel
>they are "owed" a smile in return. And furthermore, if I don't smile
>at them, I imagine they think I am very stingy, because a smile is
>such a cheap thing to them. So I feel guilty, as if I'm a freeloader
>on the people around me. This leads to avoiding people because they
>make me feel bad.
So in order to conform to your perception of society's requirements
you allow yourself to be manipulated, or alternatively avoid people to
avoid being manipulated?
Some people smile at others because they are happy, and the body seems
able to recognize that and return a smile without thought. Some
people smile at others because they want something, perhaps those
people deserve a raised eyebrow. A few people smile at others because
they want something and are so convincing that your body is fooled
into returning their smile, those are the ones to beware of.
I tend to be asocial. In modern American society I tend to be
antisocial. In another society it is possible that I would be very
social. In one-on-one situations I am quite comfortable with almost
anyone, but in groups there are subtle alignments that tend to make
individual interactions difficult or impossible. I lack the patience
for many group situations, or perhaps put another way excessive
honesty tends to make me antisocial.
But really, who cares?
--
just write it
Sylvia
<...>
> I have an older sister, she's damn near 80 now, never met a stranger
> in her life.
>
> What makes people strangers?
Comparison.
--
Sylvia
"Buried deep within every man is a treasure. Unfortunately
to get to it you have to make a big "X" on his back and then
dig it out and he screams and tries to get away."
-- Mr. Archer, http://lawyerworldland.blogspot.com
boots
>Mr. boots wrote:
>
><...>
>> I have an older sister, she's damn near 80 now, never met a stranger
>> in her life.
>>
>> What makes people strangers?
>
>Comparison.
I think it's fear, maybe stems from guilt. Does it matter? Maybe
not.
--
just write it
Sylvia
> Sylvia wrote:
> >Mr. boots wrote:
.
> ><...>
> >> I have an older sister, she's damn near 80 now, never met a stranger
> >> in her life.
> >>
> >> What makes people strangers?
> >
> >Comparison.
>
> I think it's fear, maybe stems from guilt. Does it matter? Maybe
> not.
T'was yust a petite grammar-esque yolk.
Sylvia <---- Supreme Ruler of MW & A Respectable Person of Bidness
Visit the MW Alphabet & Hat Emporium, Inc.
Conveniently located in downtown MW, near the Bridge of <Sigh>s
boots
>Mr. boots wrote:
>
>> Sylvia wrote:
>> >Mr. boots wrote:
>.
>> ><...>
>> >> I have an older sister, she's damn near 80 now, never met a stranger
>> >> in her life.
>> >>
>> >> What makes people strangers?
>> >
>> >Comparison.
>>
>> I think it's fear, maybe stems from guilt. Does it matter? Maybe
>> not.
>
>T'was yust a petite grammar-esque yolk.
Always write for your perceived audience, and don't forget that I'm a
hopeless moron; thenkew.
--
just write it
Sylvia
> Sylvia wrote:
> >Mr. boots wrote:
> >> Sylvia wrote:
> >> >Mr. boots wrote:
> >.
> >> ><...>
> >> >> I have an older sister, she's damn near 80 now, never met a
> >> >> stranger in her life.
.
> >> >> What makes people strangers?
.
> >> >Comparison.
.
> >> I think it's fear, maybe stems from guilt. Does it matter? Maybe
> >> not.
.
> >T'was yust a petite grammar-esque yolk.
.
> Always write for your perceived audience,
I did. Writers' group, innit.
> and don't forget that I'm a hopeless moron;
LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!
> thenkew.
'K.
--
Sylvia
Ray Haddad: "Snow? What's snow? It's been 38C (95F) here today
and we haven't seen a flake.
Mr. boots: "Seven years bad luck they tell me."
************************************************
Mr. Hope: "Same old IKYA lame, over and over and over.
Don't you sicken yourself, Haddad?"
Ray Haddad: "No. I get compliments on my wit and wisdom."
Mr. boots: "Please post a list of your admirers, we'll fleece
them in an eyeblink."
Ray Haddad
and Sylvia <syl...@cliffhangerREMOVE.com> instead replied:
>Ray Haddad
More uncontrolled obsession.
--
Ray
"Hate to tell you this dearie, but I really don't care that much. Not
nearly enough for all your hard typing. So there." Beth Rolland in MW to Sylvia, 23 January 2008