Cunthie Meyer
$Zero
9714Q
(was: Re: The denigration of women: alive and well...)
lou...@mail.wsu.edu (Kathie Meyer) the father-fucking cunt just doesn't
know when to shut the fuck up:
>I just want to say that I made that statement *in the context of*
>Zero's constant belittling/stereotyping police officers
i never steotyped ANY cops, i have three cop friends you stupid Cunt, i
only spoke ill of the one's who shoot to kill, and then are left
unquestioned by you blinded-by-authority idjits... it's obscene, and
ridiculous. and you even made veiled excuses for the blue wall of toilet
plunging bastards because of your incredible fawning ignorance.
>and not as a general statement against men who choose
>to stay home for their children.
yeah, right, you're so enlightened. i can see you have no double
standards just by the conclusions you immediately jumped to and slandered
me about. tell it to your lawyer.
>But, if you need further illumination on Zero's attitude, maybe you
>should do a Deja News search. Go to the *old* database and type
>in "Pay for Play American Dream zeroe...@aol.com." Read them
>all, but especially read the one where he bitches about having to
>pay $25 a month in child support.
yes. please do. obviously you are a student of the equally
double-standard oriented Kathy Vincent. of course i was pissed about
having to pay ANYTHING, because i had $Zero money. i was involved in
managing a $500,000 business for 80 hours a week for NO pay. and i set
up my warehouse/office/loft so that my kids (and at the time wife) could
be with me all day long.
>After reading what he has to say, let me ask you this: If you were Zero
>and felt your kids were living with a practicing alcoholic, wouldn't you do
>whatever it took (including getting an job) to gain custody instead of
>staying home every day and spewing out shit on usenet?
1] i wasn't on Usenet during the custody hearings. more baseless libel.
2] i did everything i could to win full custody, including demanding
that the ex get evaluated, which the court ordered her to do. however
her family has 50 million dollars, is friends with, and regularly
entertains the judge in the case, and accepted the bogus report that my
three-case-a-week alcoholic ex-wife was only a "social" drinker, and not
an alcoholic. (her father and brother are both lawyers by the way-- and
the rest of her family are all regular *every-single-day* "social
drinkers")
3] i was only granted joint custody, with my insisted stipulation that
if she drove in the car with the children while drunk (which she did
several times prior during the custody battle, even backing over an old
lady of 80 yrs old) that i would be granted full custody. of course the
judge said the same applied to me, even though i rarely ever drank.
4] and still, i was ordered to pay $25 a month that i didn't have. it
was an outrageous breach of the justice system, and i told the judge
outright after his decision that if my kids were harmed by his "ruling"
that i would essentially hunt him down and kill him. my actual words
were more like "i hold you personally responsible if anything bad should
happen to my kids". with a look that would scare Charles Manson. was i
held in contempt of court? nope. they did not want any scrutiny on that
case, i can tell you.
5] you try winning a legal custody battle against $50,000,000 and a
corrupt local legal system. LOL.
6] OJ was awarded custody. Not evrything courts do are just and in the
best intof the parties involved you blinded authority-loving cunt. the
world is just not fair.
>Kathie (not apologizing) Meyer
>cc: gekko
i could care less whether you apologize Cunthie, i'll let the "judge" and
jury (if you're brave enough to let a jury hear the case) make the
decision. what else can i do? sick my mob connections on you? i
reserve that option for the truly vial. you're just an ignorant
brainwashed cunt who slandered my name. the censors who break my first
ammendment rights to free speech have much more to worry about.
>In article <gekko.873393058@valley>, you say...
>>
>>You are right that Kathie was applying a double-standard, and in that
>>she was wrong. There are many men who cannot earn as much as their
>>wives who have wisely chosen to be stay-at-home-dads, and there are
>>many men who are divorced men who have custody of their children and
>>who are supported by their ex-wives, and that is not a bad thing.
>> Subject: Re: I am tired
>> From: lou...@mail.wsu.edu (Kathie Meyer)
>> Date: 1997/06/06
>> Message-Id: <EBD3w...@serval.net.wsu.edu>
>>
>> I think the thing(s) that offends me most about Zero and his opinion
>> about police officers is the fact that he publicly criticized someone
>> doing a difficult, dangerous job when Zero himself chooses to stay
>> unemployed at the expense of taking responsibility for and supporting
>> his own children.
perhaps people should read the rest of your post as well. it contains
even more horeshit.
-$Zero... KeepItUpCunthie
you'd be best advised to know what you're talkin' about before you open
your stupid cunt mouth again. it's getting you in more and more trouble
with each new self-righteous ignoramous post.
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$Zero
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>Subject: Re: The denigration of women: alive and well...
>From: "D. Citron" <BOUNCE...@navajo.gate.net>
>Date: 5 Sep 1997 13:19:53 -0400
>Message-id: <5upevp$12...@navajo.gate.net>
>Cunthie Meyer <lou...@mail.wsu.edu> wrote:
<snip more cuntemptious lies>
>You must have left out some digits. $25 a month won't buy them
>Happy Meals once a week.
that's because it was the minimum the judge could order. it was meant to
punish me. my ex never asked for it or expected it. she knew my
financial circumstances. and she also knew that as soon as i got on my
feet i would give my kids whatever i had. she was not as blind and
viscious as her parents and the court. she was just a self-indulgent
slut alcoholic. and the only reason she wanted custody at all, was not
to look bad. she regularly left my kids with a heroin addict's son so
she could go out and party. the judge didn't see this as significant. i
wonder why?
and gee, i wonder if mothers with zero income are levied
child support payments. i doubt it. but if so, it looks like
they want us all to be someone's slave. it wouldn't do
to be left free and untampered with by government
interference.
-$Zero... FreedomOfReligion? LOL FreedomOfEconomics? LOL
FreedomOfSpeech? LOL. FreedomOfCreed? LOL.
brainwashed prejudicial double-triple-quadruple-standard twits? yep.
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Thomas Michaels
On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:11:42 -0600, $Zero <ze...@hour.com> wrote:
=a whole lot of wise and wondrous words=
Zero, don't let them get to you, my friend. I think it is noble that
you have chosen to defend your good name and your honor. Who are
these people to tell you to pay $25 a month child support? Better you
should attack them, insult them, and let them know who they are
dealing with. While some of us out here are working seven days a
week, twelve hours a day, it is gratifying to know that people like
you are trying to strike it rich with your wondrous business
propositions. Go for it! Sure, there are going to be those who will
say that you are better served by earning an honest living, but to
them, I say, "Shut up! Let Zero live his dream!" You are an
inspiration to us all, and I am personally nominating you for
sainthood.
"An unemployed jester is nobody's fool."
-- Danny Kaye
John Ross
On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:11:42 -0600, the aptly-named Zero
<ze...@hour.com> wrote:
>lou...@mail.wsu.edu (Kathie Meyer) the father-fucking cunt just doesn't
>know when to shut the fuck up. Of course i was pissed about
>having to pay ANYTHING, because i had $Zero money. i was involved in
>managing a $500,000 business for 80 hours a week for NO pay. and i set
>up my warehouse/office/loft so that my kids (and at the time wife) could
>be with me all day long.
> i did everything i could to win full custody, including demanding
>that the ex get evaluated, which the court ordered her to do. however
>her family has 50 million dollars,
I think this is known as "marrying down"...
>still, i was ordered to pay $25 a month that i didn't have. it
>was an outrageous breach of the justice system,
Child support of 85 cents a day! Ten minutes at minimum wage! An
outrageous breach of justice! LOL!
>i could care less whether you apologize Cunthie, i'll let the "judge" and
>jury (if you're brave enough to let a jury hear the case) make the
>decision. what else can i do? sick my mob connections on you? i
>reserve that option for the truly vial. you're just an ignorant
>brainwashed cunt who slandered my name. the censors who break my first
>ammendment rights to free speech have much more to worry about.
Three words of advice, Zero:
Up the dose...
JR
Towse
[cc:]chris mclaughlin wrote:
>
> But where were we? Oh yes. Cunts. That
> looks sort of like a vanity plate, doesn't it, the kind
> you have trouble figuring out? Like "C-U-N" (see you in)
> only I haven't figured out the TS part. It makes me so cross
> when I can't figure these things out, though I figured
> Zero out a long time ago and he still makes me cross. But
> as I said, don't. Call.Us.Nomoreof.That.Shit. Because
> it just isn't nice.
See-You-In-Ts.
You see, Chris.tine?!? ... I think you may actually have found something
akin to the long-searched-for m.w motto.
And thank you again and again and again -a and Ray for all your hard
work.
Alas, I have no idea how to put See-You-In-Sweatshirts onto a vanity
plate,
Sal
chris mclaughlin
$Zero <ze...@hour.com> wrote:
>you'd be best advised to know what you're talkin' about before you open
>your stupid cunt mouth again.
Oh darn. I knew I forgot just one teensy little thing:
don't you hate it when that happens? Anyway:
6. And would you mind not calling us cunts? Because, really,
it is so very tiresome, even if it has all that shock value
and all, and it's such a piece of BRAINWASH, isn't it, really,
this stuff about being afraid of our Volvos and all. I mean,
they are really very harmless not to mention well-upholstered. And
most of us are careful and responsible with them, not even given
to road rage very much when someone cuts us off, and we don't
park illegally. Though I will admit to occasional U-turns that
are pretty spectacular. But where were we? Oh yes. Cunts. That
looks sort of like a vanity plate, doesn't it, the kind
you have trouble figuring out? Like "C-U-N" (see you in)
only I haven't figured out the TS part. It makes me so cross
when I can't figure these things out, though I figured
Zero out a long time ago and he still makes me cross. But
as I said, don't. Call.Us.Nomoreof.That.Shit. Because
it just isn't nice.
Retri
piXeL
<snip not to repeat sad story>
I hope your children never read the prior post, never. I didn't see any
x-no archive which I guess you can't do through dejanews, but you may
want to consider cancelling this. I do understand how crappy the courts
can be and unfair when doling out child support. My father was so
charged when my mother was on welfare, and the state took all that money.
Thankfully, she was one of the rare exceptions that took advantage of the
pell grants that paid her way through college and off welfare. But what I
really want to say is that the things you say against your children's
mother, or vice versa, can really hurt your children. Let's just say I've
had some experience with broken homes and I *know* for a fact that when
mom and dad crap all over eachother it's a tormenting experience. I
fiercly resented my parents whenever they bitched about the other. I
mean I loved them both and certainly didn't need to hear the hateful
comments or, what's worse, the pleas to win me on their *side*. It made
me sick, I mean I was more than capable to see what was going on, and
why. Now I don't know if you do this, or she does, but I'll bet big
money one of you is guilty of such(and if her parents do it as well,
double, triple shame on them).
So let me conclude with this piece of wisdom. And don't you mock me for
it, because you do your own wisdom dropping now and then and I've got
something to say you should really listen to:
You and your ex have another chance. You both can go out and find
another mate to live with, hopefully happy and for the rest of your
lives. But your children do not ever have another chance to come from an
unbroken home. Never. Christmas, Thanksgiving, who has who when, who's
fault it is that so and so got a 'C' on their report card, who is just in
it for the money, who's new live-in is a rotten person, who decided that
they were going to keep someone an extra day, who isn't contributing
enough money, who is the worse parent, your mother is a no good so and
so, All women are bitches, All men are assholes, go ask daddy(mommy) for
that new toy/clothes/car and finally when they are older and on their
own, juggling between their wife's/husband's family and their own, it's
still a circus of mom vs dad vs the SO's *parents* or god forbid the SO's
broken family.
So pay the child support and be thankful it wasn't more(my dad's is, a
lot more from #3, and he makes good money but lives in a shack). Yes, it
sucks, it's not fair, but be damned careful what you say or write that
may affect your children now or in the future.
***You both are responsible for screwing up their lives, you wanna hurt
them more???***
You think they need you to sully their mother's reputation in public?
God forbid they find out your pseudonym or trawl your name in dejanews
and see those words, maybe sitting next to a friend so all their peers
can find out their dad called their ma a slut-alcoholic. Something to
think about in the wired years to come.
piXeL
P.S. I'm sorry for being so hard on you about this. I do understand you
are in an awful situation and will have a lifetime struggle with it as
well. I just feel like many divorcee's with kids behave atrociously after
the fact and if they knew the impact their words and behavior had on
their kids they may have acted differently. I feel very strongly about
this and understand that it is difficult to keep from badmouthing the
other, it's human, just don't expect any sympathy from your kids in later
years when they have their own sticks to beat and decide to point them at
you and ma. I mean who'd they learn it from, anyways? Ok so maybe you
don't do it around them, yeah, ok.
Oh and P.P.S. If my dad ever called my mom a slut, I would slap him
across the face. No one calls my mom a slut, see? Especially not my
father who should have his head on straight enough to consider *my*
feelings.
Oh and since I'm on a roll, P.P.P.S. I knew a waitress who's cokehead
hospital administrator husband left her for his secretary. He made mucho
deniro, got custody, and filed for child support and won! To make things
worse when she failed to pay he threatened to have her thrown in jail. He
advised her to pay up the back child support *or* go to jail *or* sign
over legal guardianship to his now wife so she could adopt the children.
Now she has no rights to her kids and is only allowed to see them when he
says so. Now I'm sure there is another side to the story. But I do
remember reading those paper's in the waitress alley while watching her
sob. I don't know the stats on if men get the ole custody slap more than
women, but I'd bet that money and a good lawyer gets you farther than any
stat does.
And another thing, lastly I promise, I just brought this up to my SO,
that's how upset you got me Zero, and he said well if she's a slut she's
a slut. To which I responded that I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate his dad
calling his mom a slut. 'Course not. Ok, done, end of lecture. Flame at
will. Call me a cunt. Whatever.
The Last Real Marlboro Man
piXel, I tried to e-mail this to you, but the mail bounced. So I am
posting it here:
On Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:09:58 -0500, in misc.writing you wrote some good
stuff.
I wanted to let you know that I read your post and was touched by the
depth of feeling I saw there.
Your words here were wise and strong, but I fear that they will fall
on deaf ears.
- Wayne
piXeL
In article <3417f3c1.59186036@news>, tm...@slip.net was forced by
little pixies to say...
> On Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:09:58 -0500, ap...@concentric.net (piXeL) wrote:
>
> Dear piXle,
>
> Even if, as Wayne indicated in his response, your words fall on deft
> ears of the intended recipient, it may reach others who will listen
> and benefit from it.
>
> Don
>
I hope it does reach someone, and I hope it's Zero. My mom once
asked me with tears in her eyes if I thought she was a bad
mother. Truth was at one time I thought both my parents were
pretty awful. I understood they were only human, had that
illusion of parents as Ghod shattered quite young, but I blamed
them anyways. It was only later I began to appreciate how much
they did do for me, how hard they struggled (and they did). So
when my mom asked me this, years after I had forgiven her and
him, I felt guilt and empathy. I told her that she was a
wonderful mother, made some mistakes like any other in a trying
situation, and recounted with her all our *good* memories. But it
made me sad to think she actually had to suffer years afterwards,
after her own maturing and realization of her mistakes, and then
wonder if her only daughter loved her, respected her, thought she
was a good mother. An awful experience to be avoided.
piXeL
--
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You may reach me at anazaren at concentric dot net
Don May
$Zero
9696Q Part 1 of 2 (9695Q)
ap...@concentric.net (piXeL) wrote:
><snip not to repeat sad story>
which gets sadder everyday, at least here in e-ville <g>
hmm... e-villes, evils, elvis... the innovations just never end.
as with many subjests, i have a lot to say, but especially on this
one, because it hits so close to home, and i have had much experience
with being divorced with kids.
>I hope your children never read the prior post, never.
well, i'm different on this issue. being that i believe (and totally
trust) in the truth. certainly, at their present ages (10 & 8) they
wouldn't even understand the issues. however, let me ask you this:
when did you first realise that your parents were human beings?
i was about 12 i think. as they lay in their bedroom watching tv while
drifting off asleep, i was laying awake thinking deep & morbidly, <g> and
the thought dawned on me that someday they were gonna die. therefore,
logically that meant that they were human and not the God beings i had
been led to trust and believe in. <g>
well, i let my kids in on this little secret when they were about 6 & 4.
they had unfortunately witnessed a heated argument between me and
my drunken ex, and i explained it like this:
you know how you two kids are always constantly fighting with eachother?
and you get *real* mad at eachother because one of you won't share a toy
or doesn't feel like playing the same game as the other kid?
well, me and mommy do that too every once in a while. no big deal.
you see, we're just as silly as you sometimes.
but you guys make-up with eachother after you fight, right?
well, so do me & mommy.
[if only some aDOLTS in this newsgroup were as forgiving as children]
if you see daddy & mommy yelling, and you don't like it, please remember
that when you two kids fight, me & mommy don't like it either. so please
don't fight with each-other. but realise that even us grown-ups fight
sometimes.
>I didn't see any x-no archive which I guess you can't do through dejanews,
i believe there is that capability in the others header.
i just don't believe in it. i've got nothing to hide from anyone.
i live that way, and i post that way.
>but you may want to consider cancelling this.
by the time i allow my kids to surf the web, they'll be intellectually
and emotionally able to fully understand the mere mortals that both me
and the slut are. otherwise, they will not have access to the web.
>I do understand how crappy the courts can be and unfair when doling
>out child support. My father was so charged when my mother was on
>welfare, and the state took all that money.
unfortunately, entrepreneurs are prohibitted from collecting welfare. you
can't be president of a corporation (even a currently profitless one) and
collect welfare or food stamps or get money to help pay your heat bill.
i certainly could have used regular welfare checks to save my business.
but the government, in it's infinite "wisdom", will only assist those who
have absolutely nothing. unless you want to jump through a zillion hoops
and wait 6-12 months for a "possible" SBA loan approval. silly idjits. i
could've been employing 500+ welfare recipients right now, and paying
hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes if they would have given me
what they instantly hand over to a single deranged homeless walkin, on a
monthly basis.
perhaps i should have just feigned it. it's not such a stretch. <g>
i could've claimed amnesia as far as my soc sec number goes. <g>
hmmm... another item for my book "the logistics of free" (tm)
in the "fuck legalities" section of the book. LOL
>Thankfully, she was one of the rare exceptions that took advantage of the
>pell grants that paid her way through college and off welfare.
yes. if you get "educated" by them, they will help. almost like catholic
charities, etc. and the preaching that one must endure to have their soup.
>But what I really want to say is that the things you say against your
>children's mother, or vice versa, can really hurt your children.
obviously it depends on what's said. and how you qualify it. but yes,
in general you are correct.
>Let's just say I've had some experience with broken homes and I
>*know* for a fact that when mom and dad crap all over eachother
>it's a tormenting experience. I fiercly resented my parents whenever
>they bitched about the other. I mean I loved them both and certainly
>didn't need to hear the hateful comments or, what's worse, the pleas
>to win me on their *side*.
neither of us has tried that (not that i know of, anyway)
>It made me sick, I mean I was more than capable to see what was going
>on, and why.
BTW: how old were you? and did they talk to you about it? or were
you just a pawn in the bickering (or a needed ally in the emotional
despair?)
>Now I don't know if you do this, or she does, but I'll bet big
>money one of you is guilty of such
to some extent, i would say yes, but basically no. although my son
seems to favor me and resent his mom, but that's because i'm more fun
and she's usually whining & bitching while hung over. though lately,
i haven't been as much fun as i would like. my daughter is so well
adjusted and omni-lovable and devil-may-care that it's irrelevant.
she is an equal opportunity child.
>(and if her parents do it as well, double, triple shame on them).
yes, her mother has said some horrible things about me. my kids told me
about it. they told me that they had to say "my daddy's not stupid!"
you'd expect better judgement from well-read well-bred millionaires, but
alcohol is an equal opportubnity corrupter.
>So let me conclude with this piece of wisdom. And don't you mock me
>for it, because you do your own wisdom dropping now and then and I've
>got something to say you should really listen to:
nice Dale Carnegie move there <g> i'm all ears!
>You and your ex have another chance. You both can go out and find
>another mate to live with, hopefully happy and for the rest of your
>lives.
LOL (as it pertains to me, i'm too impossibly idealistic for any mere
mortal)
>But your children do not ever have another chance to come from an
>unbroken home. Never.
and for that, i shall never forgive the alcoholic slut. however, last
year i invited her to go to NYC with me and the kids for a weekend
vacation. she came, we did the city, the kids were in their glory as a
family again. 500 mile trip back (twice) i should've been packin' <g>.
but really, we had a great time.
>Christmas, Thanksgiving, who has who when,
i'm not a holiday-based person. everyday is saturday.
>who's fault it is that so and so got a 'C' on their report card,
hers.
>who is just in it for the money,
her
>who's new live-in is a rotten person,
second grade drop-out of school harley bikers
(who i forbid to allow to live-in with her, or sleep over)
>who decided that they were going to keep someone an extra day,
we both see them EVERYday
>who isn't contributing enough money,
me, and never will probably. against my $Zeroism religion.
>who is the worse parent,
she is.
>your mother is a no good so and so,
only once.
>All women are bitches, All men are assholes,
i would never say one of the above, without the other
>go ask daddy(mommy) for that new toy/clothes/car
mommy
>and finally when they are older and on their own, juggling between
>their wife's/husband's family and their own, it's still a circus of
>mom vs dad vs the SO's *parents* or god forbid the SO's broken family.
if you ask me, most families are broken and they don't even know it.
we're very close, and the "everyday is saturday" thing fixes almost all
those other problems for me.
>So pay the child support and be thankful it wasn't more
nope. don't have it. they suspended my licence (but it don't matter
'cause i don't have a car.) <g>
>(my dad's is, a lot more from #3, and he makes good money but lives
>in a shack). Yes, it sucks, it's not fair, but be damned careful
>what you say or write that may affect your children now or in the
>future.
my kids will be prepared for anything. they are truth-based rascals.
>***You both are responsible for screwing up their lives, you wanna hurt
>them more???***
the truth hurts a bit, but it heals more than it hurts.
kinda like getting inoculated
>You think they need you to sully their mother's reputation in public?
no, unfortunately, their mother does a fine job of that all by herself.
>God forbid they find out your pseudonym or trawl your name in dejanews
>and see those words, maybe sitting next to a friend so all their peers
>can find out their dad called their ma a slut-alcoholic. Something to
>think about in the wired years to come.
i didn't raise no pansybrains (no offense meant to you) it's just that
i do know what i'm doing, and if their friends are brainwashed, my kids
will "enlighten" them. <g>
>piXeL
>P.S. I'm sorry for being so hard on you about this.
were you? i didn't pick up on that. you must be very diplomatic.
>I do understand you are in an awful situation and will have a lifetime
>struggle with it as well.
who isn't?
>I just feel like many divorcee's with kids behave atrociously after
>the fact and if they knew the impact their words and behavior had on
>their kids they may have acted differently.
not this creative genius.
>I feel very strongly about this and understand that it is difficult
>to keep from badmouthing the other, it's human, just don't expect
>any sympathy from your kids in later years when they have their own
>sticks to beat and decide to point them at you and ma.
i've learned not to expect sympathy from ANYONE.
>I mean who'd they learn it from, anyways? Ok so maybe you
>don't do it around them, yeah, ok.
the one thing i have noticed is that they are already bizarrely
brainwashed about swearing. i don't know where they get their
word-bigotry, but they refuse to cuss. no matter how hard i encourage
them. public schools?
speaking of which. my fellow americans: do you remember saying the
PLEDGE of ALLEGIANCE every morning like you were at Jim Jonestown?
with your hand on your heart, standing at attention? spooky.
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$Zero
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ap...@concentric.net (piXeL) wrote:
>I feel very strongly about this and understand that it is difficult
>to keep from badmouthing the other, it's human, just don't expect
>any sympathy from your kids in later years when they have their own
>sticks to beat and decide to point them at you and ma.
i've learned not to expect sympathy from ANYONE.
>I mean who'd they learn it from, anyways? Ok so maybe you
>don't do it around them, yeah, ok.
the one thing i have noticed is that they are already bizarrely
brainwashed about swearing. i don't know where they get their
word-bigotry, but they refuse to cuss. no matter how hard i encourage
them. public schools?
speaking of which. my fellow americans: do you remember saying the
PLEDGE of ALLEGIANCE every morning like you were at Jim Jonestown? with
your hand on your heart, standing at attention? spooky.
>Oh and P.P.S. If my dad ever called my mom a slut, I would slap him
>across the face. No one calls my mom a slut, see? Especially not my
>father who should have his head on straight enough to consider *my*
>feelings.
well, i don't know your mom, so i can't comment.
>Oh and since I'm on a roll, P.P.P.S. I knew a waitress who's cokehead
>hospital administrator husband left her for his secretary. He made mucho
>deniro, got custody, and filed for child support and won! To make things
>worse when she failed to pay he threatened to have her thrown in jail. He
>advised her to pay up the back child support *or* go to jail *or* sign
>over legal guardianship to his now wife so she could adopt the children.
>Now she has no rights to her kids and is only allowed to see them when he
>says so. Now I'm sure there is another side to the story. But I do
>remember reading those paper's in the waitress alley while watching her
>sob. I don't know the stats on if men get the ole custody slap more than
>women, but I'd bet that money and a good lawyer gets you farther than any
>stat does.
money = justice <puking>
>And another thing, lastly I promise, I just brought this up to my SO,
>that's how upset you got me Zero, and he said well if she's a slut she's
>a slut. To which I responded that I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate his dad
>calling his mom a slut. 'Course not. Ok, done, end of lecture. Flame at
>will. Call me a cunt. Whatever.
you cunt. <g>
thanks for your thoughtful attempt at intervention.
but worry not, the fort is safe.
in a child's sophisticated english accent:
"father?... tell us again what it was like
when we were poor."
"well... it was a lot like it is right now,
except... we were much *richer* then."
-- source unkown
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Alexander J Berman
$Zero wrote:
my fellow americans: do you remember saying the
> PLEDGE of ALLEGIANCE every morning like you were at Jim Jonestown? with
> your hand on your heart, standing at attention? spooky.
> -$Zero...
"'Are you proud to be an American?' I was like -- I dunno, I didn't have
a lot to DO with it ... my parents just *fucked* here, that's about all
..." -- Bill Hicks
Alex Jay Berman
-- proud to be a humanist, if not always proud to be a human
--
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Don May
Once again spell check has failed miserably to know what I meant to
say. Fortunately deft eyes have caught that which had my spell check
been programmed with knowledge of the intended recipient of piXel's
words never would have let this embarrassing mistake pass my modem.
Don May...my mistakes fall of deaf ears. May piXles words fall on deft
ears even though they may fall on the deaf ears of the intended
recipient.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And oftentimes excusing of a fault
Doth make the fault the worser by th'excuse.
--William Shakespeare (1564-1616)
piXeL
In article <8736189...@dejanews.com>, ze...@hour.com was
forced by little pixies to say...
<snippity>
> the one thing i have noticed is that they are already bizarrely
> brainwashed about swearing. i don't know where they get their
> word-bigotry, but they refuse to cuss. no matter how hard i encourage
> them. public schools?
Try not to encourage them. It could be they are choosing not to
swear and any encouragement might feel like pressure. I mean kids
are going to begin making up their own minds about right and
wrong without the help of anybody. They might look at bad words
and have seen them delivered in a heated argument, etc. and have
firmly made up their minds that ALL swearing is bad.
But opinions change and reform, this is a novel opportunity to
say to them that you respect their decision not to swear and that
they should always strive to make up their own minds about right
vs wrong and really, really think things over. Even at a young
age a child will begin forming their own conclusions without
exact duplication of their parent's beliefs. This is a good
thing, allows them to become independent.
I have this book which you may be interested in, "Raising Wise
Children" by Carolyn Kohlenberger and Noel Wescombe. It teaches
methods parents can use to instill thinking skills in their kids.
It's a bit preachy, written with a strong Christian influence,
but it's an excellent resource nevertheless.
> speaking of which. my fellow americans: do you remember saying the
> PLEDGE of ALLEGIANCE every morning like you were at Jim Jonestown? with
> your hand on your heart, standing at attention? spooky.
Only very, very young. I think they stopped that while I was in
4th grade.
>
> >Oh and P.P.S. If my dad ever called my mom a slut, I would slap him
> >across the face. No one calls my mom a slut, see? Especially not my
> >father who should have his head on straight enough to consider *my*
> >feelings.
>
> well, i don't know your mom, so i can't comment.
And you'd better not comment!! Sacred territory, my parents are.
>
> >Oh and since I'm on a roll, P.P.P.S. I knew a waitress who's cokehead
> >hospital administrator husband left her for his secretary. He made mucho
> >deniro, got custody, and filed for child support and won! To make things
> >worse when she failed to pay he threatened to have her thrown in jail. He
> >advised her to pay up the back child support *or* go to jail *or* sign
> >over legal guardianship to his now wife so she could adopt the children.
> >Now she has no rights to her kids and is only allowed to see them when he
> >says so. Now I'm sure there is another side to the story. But I do
> >remember reading those paper's in the waitress alley while watching her
> >sob. I don't know the stats on if men get the ole custody slap more than
> >women, but I'd bet that money and a good lawyer gets you farther than any
> >stat does.
>
> money = justice <puking>
yup! Pretty awful, huh?
>
> >And another thing, lastly I promise, I just brought this up to my SO,
> >that's how upset you got me Zero, and he said well if she's a slut she's
> >a slut. To which I responded that I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate his dad
> >calling his mom a slut. 'Course not. Ok, done, end of lecture. Flame at
> >will. Call me a cunt. Whatever.
>
> you cunt. <g>
Oh yeah?
A Pie by another name is still a Pie all the same,
and those who partake in the delights of a Pie,
are all Pie eaters any ole which way.
In other words, you cunt breath!!
piXeL (practiced in the art of one-man-vulgarity-upmanship)
$Zero
8988Q
>Subject: Re: ***Re: Cunthie Meyer
>From: ap...@concentric.net (piXeL)
>Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:21:20 -0500
>Message-id: <MPG.e7c8d963...@news.concentric.net>
>
>ze...@hour.com was forced by little pixies to say...
>
><snippity>
>
>>the one thing i have noticed is that they are already bizarrely
>>brainwashed about swearing. i don't know where they get their
>>word-bigotry, but they refuse to cuss. no matter how hard i encourage
>>them. public schools?
>
>Try not to encourage them.
that was essentially a joke. i really don't regularly encourage
them. but i have, once or twice, talked to them about my opinions
on the matter, and they were not at all receptive.
and me being one of their current God beings, it struck me as rather odd.
>It could be they are choosing not to swear and any encouragement
>might feel like pressure.
again it was a joke. but on the few occassions that we discussed it,
i really was not pressuring them at all, i was allowing them the freedom.
they would not use that freedom. i hardly think they are born with
George Carlin's list of banned words in their genetic code. so someone,
somewhere is brainwashing them, and it isn't my ex. perhaps it's her
parents, but they are usually away at their second home in florida,
and even when they are here, they don't see the kids often, so i doubt it.
>I mean kids are going to begin making up their own minds about right and
>wrong without the help of anybody.
i know i sure did. but they are gonna make those determinations based on
what influences they are exposed to. i have certainly not banned any
words from them. nor has my ex. so where are they getting this attitude?
tv? i doubt it. they only watch nickleodion and the cartoon channel of
their own volition, and i doubt either of those channels present Carlin's
list. so where are they getting it?
>They might look at bad words
no such thing
>and have seen them delivered in a heated argument, etc. and have
>firmly made up their minds that ALL swearing is bad.
i highly doubt it.
we use them with frequency casually too. and in any case, if that
*were* somehow true, then all words spoken at those moments would
be sub-consciously banned. like our names, etc. but i'll grant you
that slight possibility. however, we have had very few heated arguments
that they were privy to. especially in comparison to our casual usage.
>But opinions change and reform, this is a novel opportunity to
>say to them that you respect their decision not to swear and that
>they should always strive to make up their own minds about right
>vs wrong and really, really think things over.
which is exactly what i told them. however, i did express my opinion
strongly that words are not bad. they can make up their own minds.
>Even at a young age a child will begin forming their own conclusions
>without exact duplication of their parent's beliefs. This is a good
>thing, allows them to become independent.
certainly happened to me. and the saga and struggle continues.
because most people didn't form their own opinions, they bought
their parents, preachers, teachers, friends, books, or tv versions...
hook, line and sinker.
>I have this book which you may be interested in, "Raising Wise
>Children" by Carolyn Kohlenberger and Noel Wescombe. It teaches
>methods parents can use to instill thinking skills in their kids.
no need. done. can't you just imagine?
or are you one of those peculiar people who think that i am THE
biggest brainwashed person of all? how strangely they miss the irony
of their statement. can one brainwash oneself? or is it merely
that being the biggest brainwashed person of all... is pure independence?
nahhh.. it's insanity, right? LOL. brainwashed twits.
in any case, i wonder who they think is brainwahsing me. ROTFL.
>It's a bit preachy, written with a strong Christian influence,
>but it's an excellent resource nevertheless.
sounds just like me. na... i'll give them a copy of my book when i'm
done:
"You Stupid Fucks"
it is designed to encourage independent thought, creativity,
resourcefulness, and to promote peace, love and understanding
rather than war, hate and intolerance. (and word bigotry - Chptr 1)
>>speaking of which. my fellow americans: do you remember saying the
>>PLEDGE of ALLEGIANCE every morning like you were at Jim Jonestown?
>>with your hand on your heart, standing at attention? spooky.
>
>Only very, very young. I think they stopped that while I was in
>4th grade.
hmmm.. all through high school for me. class of 79'
glad to hear the indoctrination has ceased. but i doubt it has.
i believe most schools still do it. any teachers with stats here?
>>>Oh and P.P.S. If my dad ever called my mom a slut, I would slap him
>>>across the face. No one calls my mom a slut, see? Especially not my
>>>father who should have his head on straight enough to consider *my*
>>>feelings.
>>
>>well, i don't know your mom, so i can't comment.
>
>And you'd better not comment!! Sacred territory, my parents are.
no comment. <g>
[snip the story about the well-off coke-head who gets custody and
torments his low-income ex-wife into a horrible deplorable agony]
>>money = justice <puking>
>
>yup! Pretty awful, huh?
and justice for (nobody)
>>>And another thing, lastly I promise, I just brought this up to my SO,
>>>that's how upset you got me Zero, and he said well if she's a slut
>>>she's a slut. To which I responded that I'm sure he wouldn't
>>>appreciate his dad calling his mom a slut. 'Course not. Ok,
>>>done, end of lecture. Flame at will. Call me a cunt. Whatever.
>>
>> you cunt. <g>
>
>Oh yeah?
>
>A Pie by another name is still a Pie all the same,
>and those who partake in the delights of a Pie,
>are all Pie eaters any ole which way.
>
>In other words, you cunt breath!!
LOL
>piXeL (practiced in the art of one-man-vulgarity-upmanship)
get rid of your S.O., and you can apply to be my Yoko Ono.
>--
>attn: eddress is altered to thwart the spam trolleys.
>You may reach me at anazaren at concentric dot net
did you reply to part one? i haven't seen it yet.
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piXeL
In article <8736690...@dejanews.com>, ze...@hour.com was
<snip>
(about swearing)
> that was essentially a joke. i really don't regularly encourage
> them. but i have, once or twice, talked to them about my opinions
> on the matter, and they were not at all receptive.
Then they have formed their own opinions about it that do not
coincide with your own. In their ears, it likely sounds like you
are lecturing. When a child/teen has hirs mind made up, they may
become unreceptive to another's POV, especially their parent's
POV if they know their parents disagree.
>
> and me being one of their current God beings, it struck me as rather odd.
Once a parent seems no longer perfect(Godlike) they lose that
influence with their children. This could be a direct result from
the divorce.
> again it was a joke. but on the few occassions that we discussed it,
> i really was not pressuring them at all, i was allowing them the freedom.
How old are your children??
<deletia>
> >and have seen them delivered in a heated argument, etc. and have
> >firmly made up their minds that ALL swearing is bad.
>
> i highly doubt it.
>
> we use them with frequency casually too. and in any case, if that
> *were* somehow true, then all words spoken at those moments would
> be sub-consciously banned. like our names, etc. but i'll grant you
> that slight possibility. however, we have had very few heated arguments
> that they were privy to. especially in comparison to our casual usage.
No, kids can tell a bad word by voice inflection, the same as
when I listened to my ex speaking in one of his many other
languages with his friends, and every time he cussed I'd look at
him and ask, "what's a courvah?" much to the delight of his
friends. It would appear I had a knack for picking out *only* the
swear words;-)
Likely they've formed their opinions through more than one
source. Could've been school, either a teacher, or someone
calling them a name that hurt their feelings. They in turn decide
that this word and others like it are bad. They don't necessarily
need to be told the word is bad to arrive at that conclusion.
All it takes is one, and the other similar ones fall into place.
<snip>
> certainly happened to me. and the saga and struggle continues.
> because most people didn't form their own opinions, they bought
> their parents, preachers, teachers, friends, books, or tv versions...
> hook, line and sinker.
A part of picking and choosing your beliefs. Next teach them how
to challenge their beliefs. When do you find they listen to you?
Is it through stories? Through play? Use this moment to teach how
to challenge themselves. A book perhaps?
<snipping myself>
> no need. done. can't you just imagine?
>
> or are you one of those peculiar people who think that i am THE
> biggest brainwashed person of all?
I only come to quick judgements about people if it suits my
purpose. If you and I were involved in a flame war, you bet I'd
be judging you, and using all sorts of dirty tricks I thought
would work by what kind of person I judged you to be!!!
> how strangely they miss the irony
> of their statement. can one brainwash oneself? or is it merely
> that being the biggest brainwashed person of all... is pure independence?
>
> nahhh.. it's insanity, right? LOL. brainwashed twits.
>
> in any case, i wonder who they think is brainwahsing me. ROTFL.
My own theory is that it is possible to brainwash oneself,
although I wouldn't exactly call it that. Someone had a neat
quote about people thinking they're thinking but merely
rearranging prejudices. What this means to me is at times one
forms thier own conclusions and when it comes time to challenge
them, they do so only without risking their basic beliefs. Just
simply fit them another way. It implies a dishonest scrutiny, one
that I'd suspect we are all guilty of from time to time.
The truth is words hurt. They don't cut and bleed, but calling
someone a name can hurt them *until* they've developed a thick
enough skin. And sometimes that thick skin never grows. I guess
it's a little like the old argument about guns. Is it the person,
the gun, or the bullet that hurt me, enabled my subjective
ability to perceive pain, or ripped a hole in my liver?
Moot point. Both are moot points.
So what do you do? Do you ban the words? Make them against the
law? Censor them? And would the solution work? At what cost?
Personally on usenet I think the best method is the ones we
employ already. You call someone a cunt, someone else flames your
ass about it. Someone else tries to teach you the injury of your
words. Someone else tells someone else to grow a thicker skin.
Someone else says it's not the words but the bearer. Someone
else says its not the words, it's the perception. And someone
else rallies around the injured party to make them feel better.
All good stuff.
And still, you can call anyone a cunt if you want. And still,
anyone else can flame you to high heaven for it. Perfect.
<snip, this is getting way too long for my attention span>
> did you reply to part one? i haven't seen it yet.
Part one? Chez wha?
>
> -$Zero... <---TheCunt'sCunt <g>
piXeL (It's *Miss Cunt* to you:-)