Procrastination does not make perfect...
Audacious Faith
Assignment: write a research paper dealing with art, art history, or
philosophy
no specified format, no specified length, simply a paper researching any
topic in those areas or a combination thereof.
what would you be interested in researching?
i have to write such a paper, the clock is ticking, and i STILL haven't
decided what i want to write it on. there are just TOO many possible
choices. it's eenie, meenie, minie, moe time. the thing is, most people in
my position would simply use a paper they had already written for one of
their courses (i have to turn this in as part of the application process for
my master's), but i have to start from scratch because it's been twenty
years since i last did a research paper of this nature-and i no longer have
it.
suggestions?
aj
Robert McClelland
Audacious Faith <amj...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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How about a paper on usenet philosophers? This one group alone would provide
ample material for it.
Zero
characterized what procrastination makes:
>...it makes panic.
then you're doing it wrong. <g>
>Assignment: write a research paper dealing with art,
>art history, or philosophy
cool.
>no specified format,
cooler.
>no specified length,
it's getting to be ideal.
>simply a paper researching any topic in those
>areas or a combination thereof.
>
>what would you be interested in researching?
well, here's the type of thing i usually tell
my procrastinating son when he's in the sort
of predictament that you find yourself in:
write about procrastination and its affects on
art, art history and/or philosophy.
whoa. it usually unlocks the floodgates.
like once, he had to write a paper that was
due in the morning (and he had *weeks* to do it),
but, instead, he goofed off until the last minute.
it was an open-ended assignment like yours.
an english paper.
so i suggested that he write the truth about
his predicament. and then project the writing
all the way until the moment that he would be
required to read it aloud in front of the class
the next morning.
it was hysterical. a near masterpiece.
we were both cracking up as he wrote it.
>i have to write such a paper, the clock is ticking,
>and i STILL haven't decided what i want to write
>it on. there are just TOO many possible choices.
that's a good thing, not a bad thing.
>it's eenie, meenie, minie, moe time.
lucky you. imagine how lucky i feel.
>the thing is, most people in my position would
>simply use a paper they had already written for
>one of their courses (i have to turn this in as
>part of the application process for my master's),
>but i have to start from scratch because it's
>been twenty years since i last did a research
>paper of this nature-and i no longer have it.
>
>suggestions?
yes. zillions and zillions.
but first among them:
"Don't Panic!"
-- Big Bright Label on the
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy Book
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Has the Web brought art to Joe Q. Six-pack?
The Web's a wonder, you know. F'rex:
Oil paintings of Great-great-great-great Grandma and Grandpa
Jones hang on our living room wall. Two different artists painted
the paintings in the 1830s, a few years apart.
For years we would check in art encyclopedias and art libraries
when we had the opportunity. We thought we might've found one of
the artists, but the other proved elusive. Who were the artists?
What else did they paint? Then I discovered Art Cyclopedia
<http://www.artcyclopedia.com/>. You can search the database by
artist, artwork and/or museum (by place or name). Browse 7500+
artists by movement, medium, subject, nationality and name. The
database links to over 1200 sites and offers over 32,000
individual links. Impressive.
The artist's name scribbled on the back of GGGGGrandma Jones'
portrait looked like E7 Coe. I popped Coe into Art Cyclopedia and
came up with Coe, Elias V. (Coe, Elias Van Arsdale). I searched
for works by Coe and found portraits of a Mr. and Mrs. Houston,
painted in 1837 and donated to the National Art Gallery in the
1950s.
Mrs. Houston wears clothes similar to those in Mrs. Jones'
portrait. The tree behind Mr. Houston is similar to the tree
behind Mrs. Jones, in her portrait. Had I found my elusive
artist? The time frame and type of portraiture were right.
I pulled up the artist's biography. The article began "Elias V.
Coe may have been a physician named Elias Van Arsdale Coe, born
in Springfield, New Jersey, 9 June 1794. A genealogy of the Coe
family notes that Elias Van Arsdale Coe moved to Warwick, Orange
County, New York, where he married his cousin, Phebe Burt, in
1821. He died in Warwick 11 October 1843."
Bingo! The Joneses were also from Warwick and Mrs. Jones' maiden
name was Burt. She was an only child, which means Phebe was
probably a cousin, making EV Coe, the artist, a relative by
marriage.
Using Art Cyclopedia, I next tracked down the artist (F Spencer)
who painted Mr. Jones several years later. Judging from the time
frame and the sampling of artwork available on the Web, F Spencer
is "Frederick R. Spencer, American, 1806 - 1875," a portraitist
"who painted many of New York's prominent citizens."
Our educated guess is that Mr. Jones, by then a well-known
political figure (elected to office, family tales say, with a
promise to bring prosperity to upstate New York -- which he did
by pushing through the Erie Canal), contracted for a portrait by
Spencer to hang side by side with the earlier portrait by EV Coe.
EV Coe painted Mrs. Jones seated, with a tree in the background
so Spencer's portrait of Mr. Jones also has him seated and fills
out the remainder of the tree found in the Coe painting.
Would we have ever found the name of the artist for Mrs. Jones'
portrait without the Web? I think not.
Maybe you could write about the Web and art and how artists are
blessed by the Web, able to find a much wider audience, sell work
worldwide.
Maybe you could write about personal galleries of work like
Harper's <http://www.dickharper.com/gallery/rbh.htm> and Kathy
Vincent's <http://www.webfresco.com/gallery/vincent/index.html>
or Ray Rasmussen's gorgeous site <http://www.raysweb.net/>.
Maybe you could ask whether art and poster sites like
<http://www.postershop.com>, <http://www.art.com> and
<http://www.barewalls.com> are popularizing art. Do more people
know who René Magritte is now than back ten years ago when the
Web was just taking off? Do more people have a poster of "Ceci
n'est pas une pomme" hanging on their wall where they used to
just have a blank space?
The Web, AJ. Write about the Web.
Sal
--
3K+ useful links for writers, researchers and the terminally
curious <http://www.internet-resources.com/writers/>
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The Surrealists
Wassily Kandinsky
The Paris art/writer scene in the 1930s
Jean Varda
Beatrice Woods
The teachings of J. Krisnamurti (or one teaching)
Audacious Faith
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>
> The Web, AJ. Write about the Web.
>
LOL! well, of course, _you_ would suggest that. but this is an excellent
suggestion. truly excellent, and something that would be fun.
thanks!
aj
Zero
see also:
http://users.aol.com/shakubukutime/dtc/
>"Towse" <se...@towse.com> wrote:
>> The Web, AJ. Write about the Web.
>
>LOL! well, of course, _you_ would suggest that.
ignore Sally's suggestion.
she's a shameless shill for Silicon Valley.
>but this is an excellent suggestion. truly excellent,
reject the alienation of the net!
<g>
>and something that would be fun. thanks!
hey, look, listen to your former guru, here.
go the procratination route.
it'll be ten times as fun. no, *100* times as fun.
not only that, it could end up being a major work
of art in and of itself.
i mean, think of the lives you'll save!
has the question been adequately addressed yet?
nope. obviously not. i mean, look at you.
there you are in the clutches of procrastination.
just by researching it you'll be helping yourself out.
and if your research discoveries yield as much
fruit as i think they will, well... whoa.
really now, who ya gonna trust here, a former guru,
(who lives in New York) or some procrastinating
California-flake hack who creates environmentally
threatening mountains of web links?
"it's not really _practical_ to be practical."
-- $Zero... <Zero...@aol.com>
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> Wassily Kandinsky
this was one of my possibilities because one of his paintings is a
representation of my mind. i saw the original with someone who understands
me, and i keep a copy on my desk.
aj
Audacious Faith
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> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net dared to comform:
>
> see also:
>
> http://users.aol.com/shakubukutime/dtc/
wretch. <g>
> >"Towse" <se...@towse.com> wrote:
>
> >> The Web, AJ. Write about the Web.
> >
> >LOL! well, of course, _you_ would suggest that.
>
> ignore Sally's suggestion.
no. sal makes good suggestions. she's very helpful that way.
>
> she's a shameless shill for Silicon Valley.
>
> >but this is an excellent suggestion. truly excellent,
>
> reject the alienation of the net!
>
> <g>
uh, huh. like you do?
>
> >and something that would be fun. thanks!
>
> hey, look, listen to your former guru, here.
former? are you quitting?
>
> go the procratination route.
>
> it'll be ten times as fun. no, *100* times as fun.
>
> not only that, it could end up being a major work
> of art in and of itself.
>
> i mean, think of the lives you'll save!
>
> has the question been adequately addressed yet?
>
> nope. obviously not. i mean, look at you.
> there you are in the clutches of procrastination.
clutching ever tighter with each passing second.
>
> just by researching it you'll be helping yourself out.
>
> and if your research discoveries yield as much
> fruit as i think they will, well... whoa.
you want a copy?
>
> really now, who ya gonna trust here, a former guru,
> (who lives in New York) or some procrastinating
> California-flake...
i've always been partial to california flakes. both my best friend and my
brother number among them. <g>
aj
Zero
rationalized in favor of the net alienation route:
>"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net dared to conform:
>>
>> see also:
>>
>> http://users.aol.com/shakubukutime/dtc/
>
>wretch. <g>
<g>
>> >"Towse" <se...@towse.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> The Web, AJ. Write about the Web.
>> >
>> >LOL! well, of course, _you_ would suggest that.
>>
>> ignore Sally's suggestion.
>
>no. sal makes good suggestions. she's very helpful that way.
yeah yeah... wolf in sheep's clothing.
>> she's a shameless shill for Silicon Valley.
>>
>> >but this is an excellent suggestion. truly excellent,
>>
>> reject the alienation of the net!
>>
>> <g>
>
>uh, huh. like you do?
um... don't do as i do... do as i...
you know the drill.
>> >and something that would be fun. thanks!
>>
>> hey, look, listen to your former guru, here.
>
>former? are you quitting?
no, i was layed off. budget cuts of some sort.
>> go the procratination route.
>>
>> it'll be ten times as fun. no, *100* times as fun.
>>
>> not only that, it could end up being a major work
>> of art in and of itself.
>>
>> i mean, think of the lives you'll save!
>>
>> has the question been adequately addressed yet?
>>
>> nope. obviously not. i mean, look at you.
>> there you are in the clutches of procrastination.
>
>clutching ever tighter with each passing second.
see? you are the perfect person to write this
procrastination in art/philosphy thing.
>> just by researching it you'll be helping yourself out.
>>
>> and if your research discoveries yield as much
>> fruit as i think they will, well... whoa.
>
>you want a copy?
sure. i'll read it later.
>> really now, who ya gonna trust here, a former guru,
>> (who lives in New York) or some procrastinating
>> California-flake...
>
>i've always been partial to california flakes.
>both my best friend and my brother number among them. <g>
hey, look, if that's the issue, i'm an honorary California flake.
Christ, everybody knows that. ask Stan.
"God God God
must be something i forgot...
God God God
down on bullshit Avenue...
God God God
if we can only stop the rot...
God God God
wish that you'd brainwash us too..."
-- George Harrison
[song: "Brainwashed"; from the
album: "Brainwashed" (2002)]
I'll pay you cash money to write about
ME BEING A FAR BETTER CALIFORNIA FLAKE THAN SAL (OR YOUR BROTHER)
David M. Harris
> ...it makes panic.
>
> Assignment: write a research paper dealing with art, art history, or
> philosophy
>
> no specified format, no specified length, simply a paper researching any
> topic in those areas or a combination thereof.
>
> what would you be interested in researching?
I'd do something on the influence of the Council of Trent on the
evolution of secular art.
dmh
--
author of Democracy and Other Problems, an essay chapbook from SRM,
Publishers, available at http://www.korval.com/srmcat1.htm
Audacious Faith
i have free will. i use my free will. <g>
aj
j.jensen
> ...it makes panic.
>
> Assignment: write a research paper dealing with art, art history, or
> philosophy
illuminated manuscripts
jen
Zero
>"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote:
>> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net
>> rationalized in favor of the net alienation route:
>
>i have free will. i use my free will. <g>
uh huh.
you're brainwashed to the gills.
i'll pray for you.
Eliska
i'm doing that right now for my printmaking class
also - a suggestion from the other research I just did for my writing class
Chuck Close
how his disability catapulted his art in another direction
how he transformed the grid from an composition tool to an actual part of his art work
When he became a quadriplegic, he transferred the grid to the actual artwork in the form
of small squares of varying color to create the images. At first he used to paint them
separately and assistants would attach them to the canvas.
Couple cool links
www.ols.net/users/rh/keith.htm
and a project done by art students
Audacious Faith
it would help if you'd explain. communication and all that.
>
> i'll pray for you.
thank you. i can use all the prayer i can get.
your request will be honored as i once promised.
arleen
Zero
>"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net rationalized:
>>
>> >"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net
>> >> rationalized in favor of the net alienation route:
>> >
>> >i have free will. i use my free will. <g>
>>
>> uh huh.
>>
>> you're brainwashed to the gills.
>
>it would help if you'd explain.
>communication and all that.
yikes. no matter what i say, it'll be misinterpretted.
the world is full of misinterpretation junkies.
if Usenet proves anything, it proves that.
>> i'll pray for you.
>
>thank you.
heh. what sincere gratitude.
yeah, well... i probably shouldn't have posted that stuff here.
it was irrelevant to your post. it had to do with your email.
but we all make silly mistakes sometimes.
my silly mistakes tend to make me look way sillier than i am.
i just got to laugh at the way things happen.
>i can use all the prayer i can get.
so can everyone else.
the greatest commandment is Love!
(not: Rationalize!)
>your request will be honored as i once promised.
that would be nice.
yikes. thanks for helping me look silly and crazy.
(whether you meant to or not).
i appreciate it.
did that "thanks" sound sincere?
i meant it sarcastically.
whoa. the lengths some people (like yourself) will go
to avoid learning the simplest of things. and you ask
me why i make fun of people? heh. how doubly ironic.
see? i get to make fun of myself in the process.
but some people have no sense of humor. yikes.
i pray for them often. you should too.
maybe we should add that to The Lord's Prayer.
(also, Lord, please forgive us our Silly Walks,
as we forgive those, with no sense of humor).
where do we go to submit the proposal?
the Ministry of Silly Walks?
">>>Most people can see beyond
>>>having to be right all the time.
>>
>>some people can't even
>>be right once in a while.
>>i feel so sorry for them.
>
>Self pity, eh?
>
ironically, yes. i do pity myself for
knowing so many of those kind of people.
they're a drag on my resources."
-- $Zero... <shakub...@aol.com>
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"Audacious Faith" <amj...@netzero.net> reported:
>...it makes panic.
>
>Assignment: write a research paper dealing with art, art history, or
>philosophy
>
>suggestions?
>
>aj
At the risk of losing you from our midst, I'll have to suggest that
first and foremost, you disconnect your internet.
(Then plant butt to chair and get the hell going!)
--
The Chocolate Lady (Davida Chazan)
<davida @ jdc . org . il>
~*~*~*~*~*~
"Almost anyone can be an author, the business is to collect
money and fame from this state of being." -- A.A. Milne
~*~*~*~*~*~
Links to my Published Poetry http://davidachazan.homestead.com/
Zero
>"Audacious Faith" <amj...@netzero.net> reported:
>
>>...it makes panic.
>>
>>Assignment: write a research paper dealing with art,
>>art history, or philosophy
>>
>>suggestions?
>At the risk of losing you from our midst, I'll have
>to suggest that first and foremost, you disconnect
>your internet.
>
>(Then plant butt to chair and get the hell going!)
yeah, what she said.
and just remember this (then you can't go WRONG):
[articulating the greatest, most
important commandment of all]
"Love God!"
-- Jesus
Matthew 22:35-40
Luke 10:25-28
Mark 12:29-31
Deuteronomy 6:5-9
Exodus 20:1-7
I'll pay you cash money to write about
THE ONLY 'FER-SURE WAY NOT TO GET IT WRONG
Audacious Faith
> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net wrote:
>
> >"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net rationalized:
> >>
> >> >"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net
> >> >> rationalized in favor of the net alienation route:
> >> >
> >> >i have free will. i use my free will. <g>
> >>
> >> uh huh.
> >>
> >> you're brainwashed to the gills.
> >
> >it would help if you'd explain.
> >communication and all that.
>
> yikes. no matter what i say, it'll be misinterpretted.
by me??? no matter _what_ you say? surely, you jest. you must. and even if i
do, has it ever caused me to stop listening? to stop trying to understand?
>
> the world is full of misinterpretation junkies.
yes, it is. and you have proven that you are just as susceptible to the
disease as anyone else. i'm certain you've misinterpreted something in that
email i sent, but since you won't discuss it, i can't address it. if it's
simply that i crossed a line, fine. tell me so, and i would understand. but
if something within it disturbs you, i would appreciate an explanation.
>
> if Usenet proves anything, it proves that.
>
>
> >> i'll pray for you.
> >
> >thank you.
>
> heh. what sincere gratitude.
four years, and you still don't know me, do you? the gratitude is sincere,
zero, because i believe that you do pray for my behalf and for my
understanding. do you not? are your offers of prayer insincere so that my
thanks must needs be equally insincere? i have prayed for you as well, and
not, as you might think, in terms of seeing you change into something other
than you are in spite of how frustrating i find your conclusions at times,
but on behalf of your well-being and the well-being of your family. beyond
that, i simply pray that you experience as much of god as is humanly
possible (whatever that may mean) and that i live to see the day when one of
your creations, be it film or invention, reaches fruition. you see, i
actually believe that will happen. talk about audacious faith, eh?
>
> yeah, well... i probably shouldn't have posted that stuff here.
>
> it was irrelevant to your post. it had to do with your email.
>
> but we all make silly mistakes sometimes.
>
> my silly mistakes tend to make me look way sillier than i am.
>
> i just got to laugh at the way things happen.
but it's not a mistake. not at all. so what if we look silly? as far as i'm
concerned, the important thing is keeping the communication lines open.
people here can say whatever they please, but it's situations such as this
that are at the root of people not being able to live at peace on this
planet. they give up on each other, or they take sides and fight each other.
that you and i can play it out in front of others is no shame nor is it
really silly. not at its heart. this is what people do. the important thing
to me is, will we descend to idiocy the way so many do, or can we flesh it
out?
>
> >i can use all the prayer i can get.
>
> so can everyone else.
>
> the greatest commandment is Love!
>
> (not: Rationalize!)
where is the rationalization, zero? what got your goat to this extent? one
day we're joking about you being my guru and following your suggestions, and
the next i'm exiled. <g>
>
> >your request will be honored as i once promised.
>
> that would be nice.
<sigh> i guess i should have done it on my own sooner. i did try, you know.
>
> yikes. thanks for helping me look silly and crazy.
> (whether you meant to or not).
>
> i appreciate it.
>
> did that "thanks" sound sincere?
>
> i meant it sarcastically.
silly. until you wrote all this no one would have thought a thing. and since
you did, i'm not going to just ignore it. did i tell you i was tenacious?
stubborn? nothing in my last email to you is secret, nor is it about you, so
if it's something within it, please, feel free to argue with me over it
publically. it could generate some good discussion.
if it's the fact that i sent it, well, i guess that's it. and what this does
is to effectively show that you are not the silly one at all. i am. you have
been very patient and forbearing, keeping silent on what a whacko i can be
when at any time these last three years or so you could have ridiculed me
before all these people and been perfectly within your rights. i trusted
you, and i've had good reason to. i want everyone to know that it is i, and
not you, who is the whacko this time.
>
> whoa. the lengths some people (like yourself) will go
> to avoid learning the simplest of things. and you ask
> me why i make fun of people? heh. how doubly ironic.
>
i don't avoid, my dear. i may be blind at times, but i don't avoid-usually.
if you think that's what i'm doing, then enlighten me, as you always say to
others who make judgements about you. i have been very free publically and
privately in asking you about some of your attitudes. why don't you return
the "favor?" i won't break. i might cry. <g> anyway, it has been my
understanding that you believe that we should never give up on people. what
about your opinions on those in prison and how we should help them
understand their wrong doings and help them to change? am i less than a
prisoner? subhuman?
aj
Scott OQ Elyard
The medium of Comics.
> i have to write such a paper, the clock is ticking, and i STILL haven't
> decided what i want to write it on. there are just TOO many possible
> choices. it's eenie, meenie, minie, moe time. the thing is, most people in
> my position would simply use a paper they had already written for one of
> their courses (i have to turn this in as part of the application process for
> my master's), but i have to start from scratch because it's been twenty
> years since i last did a research paper of this nature-and i no longer have
> it.
>
> suggestions?
Or you could write about the art and science of paleontological reconstructions.
----
Scott Elyard
Everyone loves Chuck Knight!
www.archosaur.org
Audacious Faith
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> (Please NOTE preferred E-Mail address in sig) On Fri, 7 Feb 2003
> 19:17:09 -0500, during the misc.writing Community News Flash
> "Audacious Faith" <amj...@netzero.net> reported:
>> ...it makes panic.
>>
>> Assignment: write a research paper dealing with art, art history, or
>> philosophy
>>
>> suggestions?
>>
>> aj
> At the risk of losing you from our midst, I'll have to suggest that
> first and foremost, you disconnect your internet.
good suggestion. can't do it, though. need it to research some stuff.
> (Then plant butt to chair and get the hell going!)
i am. just give me a minute. <g>
aj
Audacious Faith
> Davida Chazan suggested hunkering down:
>
> >"Audacious Faith" <amj...@netzero.net> reported:
> >
> >>...it makes panic.
> >>
> >>Assignment: write a research paper dealing with art,
> >>art history, or philosophy
> >>
> >>suggestions?
>
> >At the risk of losing you from our midst, I'll have
> >to suggest that first and foremost, you disconnect
> >your internet.
> >
> >(Then plant butt to chair and get the hell going!)
>
> yeah, what she said.
get off the internet? or get cracking on my paper?
>
> and just remember this (then you can't go WRONG):
>
>
> [articulating the greatest, most
> important commandment of all]
>
> "Love God!"
> -- Jesus
> Matthew 22:35-40
> Luke 10:25-28
> Mark 12:29-31
> Deuteronomy 6:5-9
> Exodus 20:1-7
>
>
> I'll pay you cash money to write about
> THE ONLY 'FER-SURE WAY NOT TO GET IT WRONG
it's not the only for sure way to not get it wrong. people love god all the
time. truly love god. david did. and yet david sent the husband of the
woman he lusted after to the frontlines in war so that he would be killed.
god opened his eyes and david suffered, but he still loved god. david was
also a man of war. because of the blood he spilled, god wouldn't let him
build his temple. and yet, god said he was a man after his own heart because
he knew how to have faith and how to worship.
he also beat you to that dance you've been talking about:
4Then David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was wearing
a linen ephod. 15So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of
the Lord with shouting and with the sound of the trumpet.
16Now as the ark of the Lord came into the City of David, Michal, Saul's
daughter, looked through a window and saw King David leaping and whirling
before the Lord; and she despised him in her heart. 17So they brought the
ark of the Lord, and set it in its place in the midst of the tabernacle that
David had erected for it. Then David offered burnt offerings and peace
offerings before the Lord. 18And when David had finished offering burnt
offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the Lord
of hosts. 19Then he distributed among all the people, among the whole
multitude of Israel, both the women and the men, to everyone a loaf of
bread, a piece of meat, and a cake of raisins. So all the people departed,
everyone to his house.
20Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of
Saul came out to meet David, and said, "How glorious was the king of Israel
today, uncovering himself today in the eyes of the maids of his servants, as
one of the base fellows shamelessly uncovers himself!"
21So David said to Michal, "It was before the Lord, who chose me instead of
your father and all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the
Lord, over Israel. Therefore I will play music before the Lord. 22And I will
be even more undignified than this, and will be humble in my own sight. But
as for the maidservants of whom you have spoken, by them I will be held in
honor."
23Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her
death.
you know, in case you think that i bring up these things as if to say, "SEE,
the bible says this," that's not it at all. i think the bible is an
excellent resource of stories about normal people and their attempt to
understand god. they wrote down their experiences according to their
understandings, just as we do today. we use the tools we have at hand to
describe the indescribable, the things that we can't see and don't know how
to explain. but the SPIRIT is never in doubt, no matter how crude our
imaginary perceptions may be, nor how we may misinterpret things.
aj
Zero
"Audacious Faith" <amj...@netzero.net> writes:
>"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net wrote:
>> >"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net rationalized:
>> >> >"Zero" <shakub...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net
>> >> >> rationalized in favor of the net alienation route:
>> >> >
>> >> >i have free will. i use my free will. <g>
>> >>
>> >> uh huh.
>> >>
>> >> you're brainwashed to the gills.
>> >
>> >it would help if you'd explain.
>> >communication and all that.
>>
>> yikes. no matter what i say, it'll be misinterpretted.
>
>by me??? no matter _what_ you say? surely, you jest. you must.
i wish.
>and even if i do, has it ever caused me to stop listening?
>to stop trying to understand?
...to stop your harrassing emails?
(just my interpretation, uh huh)
>> the world is full of misinterpretation junkies.
>
>yes, it is. and you have proven that you are just as
>susceptible to the disease as anyone else.
of course i'm susceptible to misinterpretation. but no
where as near as susceptible as anyone else. my God.
at least, not where it counts.
"they'll even claim that Jesus lived by the sword. yikes.
they'll twist scripture in that regard.
those who misrepresent the Holy Spirit are truly f/*\ked."
-- $Zero... <shakub...@aol.com>
Re: don't argue with the war-mongers
news:<20030103122056...@mb-fq.aol.com>
>i'm certain you've misinterpreted something in that email i sent,
>but since you won't discuss it, i can't address it.
maybe you should read the thing. whoa.
>if it's simply that i crossed a line, fine. tell me so, and i
>would understand. but if something within it disturbs you, i
>would appreciate an explanation.
have you ever looked up the word "coy"?
if that one doesn't seem to apply, try "insane".
in either case, you have my sincere prayers.
go and sin no more, and all that.
>> if Usenet proves anything, it proves that.
>>
>> >> i'll pray for you.
>> >
>> >thank you.
>>
>> heh. what sincere gratitude.
>
>four years, and you still don't know me, do you? the
>gratitude is sincere, zero, because i believe that you
>do pray for my behalf and for my understanding. do you
>not? are your offers of prayer insincere so that my
>thanks must needs be equally insincere?
my prayers for you are sincere.
>i have prayed for you as well, and not, as you might think,
is this where Goalpost Gekko's MindReading Services
send their invoice?
>i have prayed for you as well, and not, as you might think,
>in terms of seeing you change into something other than you
>are in spite of how frustrating i find your conclusions at times,
yeah, well... those would be wasted prayers.
there's not much about me that needs to change.
what does need changing, will.
any frustrations you (or others) have with my various
conclusions is symptomatic of your deep brainwash. yikes.
BPS alert.
fear of Silly Walks.
>but on behalf of your well-being and the well-being of your family.
uh huh.
>beyond that, i simply pray that you experience as much of god
>as is humanly possible (whatever that may mean)
if only that was the extent of your prayers.
if only that was the extent of EVERYONE'S prayers for everyone else.
but it's not. the various brainwashes of mankind have seriously
tainted your prayers. tainted with "swords" of various sharpness.
but, as you probably know, you're not alone in that regard.
which explains why there are so many God Damned "Holy" Wars.
yikes. remember the title of my Magnum Opus?
it was not vanity, or arrogance, at work there.
well, not completely, anyway. <g> not even close.
>and that i live to see the day when one of your creations,
>be it film or invention, reaches fruition.
all evidence to the contrary. you're so typical.
>you see, i actually believe that will happen.
uh huh. thanks for the "faith."
>talk about audacious faith, eh?
talk is cheap.
ye shall know them by their fruits.
(especially how those fruits contradict eachother, and
how those fruits contradict one's actions, or inactions)
for instance, you might want to consider the lies you've
told in the last couple weeks (or more).
and i don't exclusively mean what you've posted or emailed.
expect invoice from Goalpost Gekko.
>> yeah, well... i probably shouldn't have posted that stuff here.
>> it was irrelevant to your post. it had to do with your email.
>> but we all make silly mistakes sometimes.
>> my silly mistakes tend to make me look way sillier than i am.
>>
>> i just got to laugh at the way things happen.
>
>but it's not a mistake. not at all.
some of my silliness _is_ a mistake. the rest is on purpose.
i guess you're not too familiar with Monty Python's Ministry of
Silly Walks, huh? check it out some day if you haven't already.
it's a wonderful skit. then read my previous post again.
>so what if we look silly?
surely you're not suggesting that _i_ care if i look silly?
yikes. it's my stock and trade. i'm a Silliness Creator.
Sublime Silliness, Inc.
but that's a different kind of silliness. like snow in Alaska.
however, as silliness goes, it's not all just frozen water.
some silliness is malicious, not sublime.
(see also: Geno)
yeah, yeah, i know... i'm just as bad as Geno.
um... no, i'm not. not even close.
[...]
"the greatest commandment is Love!
(not: Rationalize!)"
-- $Zero... <shakub...@aol.com
Re: Procrastination does not make perfect...
news:<20030208114902...@mb-mc.aol.com>
I'll pay you cash money to write about
SILLINESS BEING NEUTRAL... LIKE A GUN...
GUNS DON'T SHOOT AT PEOPLE... PEOPLE DO...
...
Kirk: "must... promote... sales..."
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MAKE INTERNET HISTORY!
Be the 23rd visitor EVER to click on this strangely lonely site:
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Zero
>I'll pay you cash money to write about
>SILLINESS BEING NEUTRAL... LIKE A GUN...
>GUNS DON'T SHOOT AT PEOPLE... PEOPLE DO...
innocent.
guns don't shoot at innocent people.
neither, in that way, does silliness.
hence the distinction between me and
someone like Geno, or Rush Bimbo.
<glad i could clear that up for you>
Zero
>Zero wrote:
>> and just remember this (then you can't go WRONG):
>>
>>
>> [articulating the greatest, most
>> important commandment of all]
>>
>> "Love God!"
>> -- Jesus
>> Matthew 22:35-40
>> Luke 10:25-28
>> Mark 12:29-31
>> Deuteronomy 6:5-9
>> Exodus 20:1-7
>>
>>
>> I'll pay you cash money to write about
>> THE ONLY 'FER-SURE WAY NOT TO GET IT WRONG
>
>it's not the only for sure way to not get it wrong.
yep... that was a silly mistake in phrasing.
i noticed it later when i read the printout.
if you've been paying attention at all to what i've
posted in this regard, you'd know that.
>people love god all the time. truly love god.
no. they don't love God. they love themselves.
and they love their brainwashers. and then they
rationalize.
loving God takes a long time to get to.
you have to reject all the brainwashes along the way.
like your husband and his rationalizations for war.
he may think he's loving God, but he's not. he's loving
George W. Bush and all of his pure evil bullshit.
blessed are peacemakers, not the war-mongers.
Bushguns is making things worse and worse.
and has been since day one. because he does not know God. not even close.
[...]
Audacious Faith
> In article <b23tk3$18nare$1...@ID-39564.news.dfncis.de>,
> "Audacious Faith" <amj...@netzero.net> writes:
>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >i have free will. i use my free will. <g>
> >> >>
> >> >> uh huh.
> >> >>
> >> >> you're brainwashed to the gills.
> >> >
> >> >it would help if you'd explain.
> >> >communication and all that.
> >>
> >> yikes. no matter what i say, it'll be misinterpretted.
> >
> >by me??? no matter _what_ you say? surely, you jest. you must.
>
> i wish.
cite, please. when have i misinterpreted you when you have spoken directly
to me and explained something? i might not have agreed with you, but that
doesn't mean you were misinterpreted. although i was a bit confused in the
exile thread, but not to your detriment i believe.
>
> >and even if i do, has it ever caused me to stop listening?
> >to stop trying to understand?
>
> ...to stop your harrassing emails?
>
> (just my interpretation, uh huh)
i am truly sorry if you felt harrassed. i told you long ago what you could
do should that be the case. you never did. until now. i will respect that.
how we have suddenly reached this point, though, remains a mystery to me,
though i do have my suspicions, which i will clarify further on.
<snip admission of susceptibility to a common human failing>
> >i'm certain you've misinterpreted something in that email i sent,
> >but since you won't discuss it, i can't address it.
>
> maybe you should read the thing. whoa.
i did, zero. twice. before i sent it. and once more after. it included two
discussions. one on where a friend of mine thinks god lives in his mind when
he thinks of him and how he asked what i thought god looked like. i was
stumped because i don't think of god in those terms. i closed my eyes and
attempted to describe what hovered at the edges of my thoughts, and i did so
very inadequately, as i feel god everywhere more than i can "see" anything,
and most especially i feel him within me. his description corresponded to a
place that could be likened to an idea of a temple for god. it reminds me of
how numbers have a personality to me-and often a color. the mind can be very
strange in what it produces. but it didn't surprise me that he would see
things that way because he loves math, and he has a very analytical mind
that wants to find a tangible solution to everything. i thought you might
get a kick out of his perception after all of your playing around with pi.
the second discussion with him had to do with an incident he had in class
and how it caused him to realize just how judgemental he has been toward
others based on very little evidence. (and he most certainly can be.) what
it caused me to see, though, is that although i talk a good talk, i am still
just as guilty, and i began to replay some of the things i've done this last
week. it was a double whammy for me.
so what did you get out of it? i am quite curious, and as you read, he likes
feedback. and as i've mentioned before, he loves to argue. more than you do,
perhaps.
>
> >if it's simply that i crossed a line, fine. tell me so, and i
> >would understand. but if something within it disturbs you, i
> >would appreciate an explanation.
>
> have you ever looked up the word "coy"?
gawd. now, see, this is why i just know we have some kind of string
connecting us like jane and mr. rochester, except i don't love you that way.
as it happens, i DID look up the word coy just yesterday while going over a
paper with a student. the first definition said shy and retiring, but i knew
that wasn't what she needed. the second had to do with pretending not to
know how one comes across, faking innocence, which is what i know you mean
here, and the third was the actual definition that she needed, which was not
stepping out and taking advantage of an opportunity when one should, or
something like that. i can't quite remember.
>
> if that one doesn't seem to apply, try "insane".
>
> in either case, you have my sincere prayers.
>
> go and sin no more, and all that.
oh, come off it, zero. just spit it out, would you? i could possibly be
insane for sending emails to a perfect stranger that any number of people on
this group would love to tell me is incredible stupidity, but beyond that, i
am simply a woman who found someone incredibly interesting, someone who hit
on some of her fears and her newly changing beliefs, and wanted to
understand him better, so hoped that by sending emails about herself it
would make him more comfortable knowing that at any time he could use them
against her if he honestly thought she was a threat because she knew he had
reason to think that a possibility. sometimes i did question just why i
would want to continue, as you know, and whether or not i was just fooling
myself that you and i could ever really discuss something in the manner that
i would like.
you usually have no problem telling people where you think they're wrong.
why such reticence now?
>
> >> if Usenet proves anything, it proves that.
> >>
> >> >> i'll pray for you.
> >> >
> >> >thank you.
> >>
> >> heh. what sincere gratitude.
> >
> >four years, and you still don't know me, do you? the
> >gratitude is sincere, zero, because i believe that you
> >do pray for my behalf and for my understanding. do you
> >not? are your offers of prayer insincere so that my
> >thanks must needs be equally insincere?
>
> my prayers for you are sincere.
and again i thank you, sincerely.
>
> >i have prayed for you as well, and not, as you might think,
>
> is this where Goalpost Gekko's MindReading Services
> send their invoice?
i said 'as you might think' because i felt it was a possibility, since i had
so recently been talking to you about how you come across. notice the word
MIGHT, please. aaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh! you are so hair pullingly frustrating
sometimes in the way you finetooth comb everything, yet expect others to
overlook your own poor phrasing.
>
>
> >i have prayed for you as well, and not, as you might think,
> >in terms of seeing you change into something other than you
> >are in spite of how frustrating i find your conclusions at times,
>
> yeah, well... those would be wasted prayers.
>
> there's not much about me that needs to change.
>
> what does need changing, will.
i agree (which i believe i made mention of already at some point in the last
week or two), which is why i don't pray that way. for anyone. my prayers are
always that people's hearts are opened to god's spirit so that his love will
flow between us all.
>
> any frustrations you (or others) have with my various
> conclusions is symptomatic of your deep brainwash. yikes.
well, jeez, i KNOW that. but i would like to point out that i think it
completely unfair that while we are expected (well, no, you don't expect it
because you know us too well, but you do think we ought) to take you as you
are and not get so offended when you insult us, or jump to erroneous (yes,
erroneous) conclusions about us, and keep talking to you and treating you
with respect, you don't do the same. you are completely disrespecting me by
relegating me to the "annoying little fly-shoo! go away" status by not
answering me in a straightforward and understandable manner. instead it's
all this cryptic "as if you didn't know, you little liar" stuff. bah,
humbug! unlike gekko, i will not insult you for it, because it's typical of
you when you get it into your head to find a reason to pull away from
someone, but i'm NOT happy about it.
>
> BPS alert.
>
> fear of Silly Walks.
reference impairment.
>
> >but on behalf of your well-being and the well-being of your family.
>
> uh huh.
why would you question this???
>
> >beyond that, i simply pray that you experience as much of god
> >as is humanly possible (whatever that may mean)
>
> if only that was the extent of your prayers.
it is. how you think you can know what my prayers are is beyond me. or how
you've even extrapolated from everything i've ever written that i would pray
otherwise is beyond me.
>
> if only that was the extent of EVERYONE'S prayers for everyone else.
>
> but it's not. the various brainwashes of mankind have seriously
> tainted your prayers. tainted with "swords" of various sharpness.
and just which of my prayers are tainted oh, mighty, all-knowing, all-seeing
one? of what sharp swords are you speaking? (besides the one in the line
above. <g>)
> but, as you probably know, you're not alone in that regard.
>
> which explains why there are so many God Damned "Holy" Wars.
brother, take out the beam in your eye before reaching for the one in mine.
and then explain how my email turned into me being among those who use my
belief in god to kill.
>
> yikes. remember the title of my Magnum Opus?
you stupid fucks.
>
> it was not vanity, or arrogance, at work there.
>
> well, not completely, anyway. <g> not even close.
>
>
> >and that i live to see the day when one of your creations,
> >be it film or invention, reaches fruition.
>
> all evidence to the contrary. you're so typical.
and here is where my suspicions are aroused. you're upset because i didn't
want to buy a t-shirt aren't you? or that i didn't click on the link of
faith and give paypal money for the day when you create them. admittedly, if
i were the friend i've wanted to be, i should have clicked instead of
selfishly saying i don't want a reject the brainwash t-shirt, i want one
that says food grows on trees. except for one small thing. i have offered
tangible reimbursement for a product you offered and what happened??? in
fact, the only time i have seen you actually come through on anything that
you said you'd do was when you wrote an rfd for misc.writing.moderated. and
then you didn't even vote on the damn thing after all of your arguing and
insulting.
that shouldn't matter, should it? not with true friends. if you need the
money, you should have only to ask. i have been like the one who sees
someone hungry and cold and went on his way saying, "i'll pray for you." i
am sorry.
>
> >you see, i actually believe that will happen.
>
> uh huh. thanks for the "faith."
>
>
> >talk about audacious faith, eh?
>
> talk is cheap.
yes, it is.
>
> ye shall know them by their fruits.
>
> (especially how those fruits contradict eachother, and
> how those fruits contradict one's actions, or inactions)
agreed. but the fruits will have to wait until tuesday, midnight, when they
are delivered to my account.
>
> for instance, you might want to consider the lies you've
> told in the last couple weeks (or more).
now this one i'm truly stumped over. you will have to be specific. when do
you believe that i have lied?
>
> and i don't exclusively mean what you've posted or emailed.
you have me bugged? <g>
>
> expect invoice from Goalpost Gekko.
?
>
> >> yeah, well... i probably shouldn't have posted that stuff here.
> >> it was irrelevant to your post. it had to do with your email.
> >> but we all make silly mistakes sometimes.
> >> my silly mistakes tend to make me look way sillier than i am.
> >>
> >> i just got to laugh at the way things happen.
> >
> >but it's not a mistake. not at all.
>
> some of my silliness _is_ a mistake. the rest is on purpose.
>
> i guess you're not too familiar with Monty Python's Ministry of
> Silly Walks, huh? check it out some day if you haven't already.
> it's a wonderful skit. then read my previous post again.
no, i'm not familiar.
>
> >so what if we look silly?
>
> surely you're not suggesting that _i_ care if i look silly?
> yikes. it's my stock and trade. i'm a Silliness Creator.
you seemed to care at that particular moment. why else would you
sarcastically thank me for putting you in that position? though actually,
you put yourself there.
>
> Sublime Silliness, Inc.
>
> but that's a different kind of silliness. like snow in Alaska.
>
> however, as silliness goes, it's not all just frozen water.
> some silliness is malicious, not sublime.
>
> (see also: Geno)
>
> yeah, yeah, i know... i'm just as bad as Geno.
oh, zero. sometimes there do appear to be parallels in the presentations of
both of you. but you're the one i listen to. that should tell you
_something_.
>
> um... no, i'm not. not even close.
>
> [...]
oh...my...gosh. you've succumbed. you snipped the most important part and
refused to answer me. zero did a gekko.
aj
Audacious Faith
> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net wrote:
>
> >Zero wrote:
>
> >> and just remember this (then you can't go WRONG):
> >>
> >>
> >> [articulating the greatest, most
> >> important commandment of all]
> >>
> >> "Love God!"
> >> -- Jesus
> >> Matthew 22:35-40
> >> Luke 10:25-28
> >> Mark 12:29-31
> >> Deuteronomy 6:5-9
> >> Exodus 20:1-7
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll pay you cash money to write about
> >> THE ONLY 'FER-SURE WAY NOT TO GET IT WRONG
> >
> >it's not the only for sure way to not get it wrong.
>
> yep... that was a silly mistake in phrasing.
>
> i noticed it later when i read the printout.
>
> if you've been paying attention at all to what i've
> posted in this regard, you'd know that.
>
> >people love god all the time. truly love god.
>
> no. they don't love God. they love themselves.
> and they love their brainwashers. and then they
> rationalize.
no. they do love God. and themselves. and their brainwashers. and then they
rationalize. but because they also love God, and he loves them, it will work
itself out. look at you. you were a prayerful atheist once. but you wanted
to believe in God. it was as obvious as the sun. the love for him, even when
you weren't certain he was there, existed. he accepted you then, when you
doubted, didn't he? he didn't expect you to come to him perfected, did he?
you say you still have a ways to go yet. so do we all.
>
> loving God takes a long time to get to.
understanding what it means to love God takes a long time to get to. but not
loving him. just like with married folks. in the beginning it's the blush of
first love-the infatuation stage where it doesn't matter what you do, she
puts up with it, and you actually believe everything's okay with your
behavior. then there comes the adjustment period, where you discover that
your wife really doesn't like it when you do things a certain way. if she's
right, and you love her, you change yourself. then comes the time when you
understand each other so well you can finish each other's sentences. when
she speaks, and anyone else doesn't understand how she got from the topic
they were discussing to the seemingly irrelevant comment she makes, you do,
because your thoughts followed the same path and you know exactly how
relevant her comment really is. that's what loving God is like. there are
those who are still immature in their walk with God. it does not mean they
do not love him, nor are they evil, because he has covered them with his
presence and their sins are as far from him as the east is from the west.
and from there on out, he will light their path, and show them the way out
of darkness. as i said before, it's in his timing, not yours.
>
> you have to reject all the brainwashes along the way.
yes, you do. but this doesn't happen all at once.
>
> like your husband and his rationalizations for war.
>
> he may think he's loving God, but he's not. he's loving
> George W. Bush and all of his pure evil bullshit.
>
> blessed are peacemakers, not the war-mongers.
>
> Bushguns is making things worse and worse.
>
> and has been since day one. because he does not know God. not even
close.
<sigh> you truly make a mistake in thinking that you know this so well. i
believe bush is wrong. i believe war is wrong. but i also believe that
people who love god can be in tremendous error, simply because i know i have
been.
aj
Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady
<amj...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>"Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady" <7zcm...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>message news:7ov94vgo2jp1amthp...@4ax.com...
>> (Please NOTE preferred E-Mail address in sig) On Fri, 7 Feb 2003
>> 19:17:09 -0500, during the misc.writing Community News Flash
>> "Audacious Faith" <amj...@netzero.net> reported:
>
>>> ...it makes panic.
>>>
>>> Assignment: write a research paper dealing with art, art history, or
>>> philosophy
>>>
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> aj
>
>> At the risk of losing you from our midst, I'll have to suggest that
>> first and foremost, you disconnect your internet.
>
>good suggestion. can't do it, though. need it to research some stuff.
>
Just as a point of reference here - there's absolutely nothing of any
worth here on misc.writing that will help you in writing your paper.
>> (Then plant butt to chair and get the hell going!)
>
>i am. just give me a minute. <g>
>
See you soon.
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and taken out the garbage. Only then can you go back and play.
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Audacious Faith
> In article <b23tk3$18nare$1...@ID-39564.news.dfncis.de>,
> "Audacious Faith" <amj...@netzero.net> writes:
>
>
> >i'm certain you've misinterpreted something in that email i sent,
> >but since you won't discuss it, i can't address it.
>
> maybe you should read the thing. whoa.
>
here's a suggestion. you re-read it, like i just did, only this time keep in
mind that i sent it to you because i thought the idea that my friend would
have this image and imply that math is the way to paradise was an
interesting way of looking at things, not because i agreed. but i do have
this idea that mathematical formulas, once they are discovered, by virtue of
their ability to explain how some forces and aspects of nature work in a
consistent manner, certainly play an important role in understanding god
better in an analytical way, at least. eeeesh. i'm explaining this poorly.
some people are intuitive, and they know god simply because they feel his
presence. while i believe it's possible for anyone to feel his presence in
this way, others seem to find god, and come to know him, through the beauty
of math. that isn't to say that there aren't aspects of math that are
intuitive. i know there are. there are many abstract ideas that math
addresses, and those abstract ideas could have only come through intuition.
anyway, god uses whatever works for each individual to speak to them in some
way. capice? i was simply sharing a short discussion that touched on that
for me.
as to the second discussion, when i re-read it, i wondered if you thought i
was using it to once again lecture you. i wasn't. it struck me that my
friend had this discovery about himself so close to the same time that i'd
been chiding you on your behavior again, and usually, when things like this
happen, it's to make me face my own hypocrisy. that was what i meant with my
comment, "coming on the heels of me once again trying to reconcile ..."
man! i wish i knew what it was about this that you thought you were seeing.
would you PLEASE talk to me?
this will be the last said on any of this unless you choose to discuss it
further. i've addressed everything that i can think of that could have
brought this sorry state of affairs to pass. once again, i'm sorry for not
acting when an opportunity arose to put feet to my words, but at the same
time, for someone who has appeared to consider me in a friendly light up
until two days ago, and who has never once indicated that he truly felt
harrassed by anything i've said or done, though i do know that you can't
trust me, and that is understandable, this latest about face seems to me the
least loving thing you could have done.
so much for putting your own feet to your words, eh? peace, love and
*understanding* and all that. i understand your disappointment with me,
zero. i don't understand you turning your back on me, and not even
attempting...
never mind. water under the bridge. spilled milk. whatever.
aj
Zero
[...]
>so much for putting your own feet to your words, eh?
i put my feet to my words all the time.
hence all the stubbed toes. ouch.
>peace, love and *understanding* and all that.
i don't see the contradiction. i never said i was perfect.
see, the way i believe in God greatly differs from the way
many preachy hypocrites believe in God.
they have absolutely no incentive for improving themselves.
and it shows. yikes.
>i understand your disappointment with me, zero.
maybe you do, maybe you don't.
>i don't understand you turning your back on me,
i'm not turning my back on you. i don't do that. i'm not
a hypocrite. i only asked you for one thing. you agreed.
if i had turned my back on you, you wouldn't be reading
these words right now, would you? nor would you have read
all the words you've read since i asked you for that one
thing.
>and not even attempting...
i am attempting, i'm just not sure how to explain.
i'll keep trying.
>never mind. water under the bridge. spilled milk. whatever.
don't be so dramatic. <g>
"the soul does not love. it is love itself.
it does not exist. it is existence itself.
it does not know. it is knowledge itself.
(how to know God, page 130)."
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> I'd do something on the influence of the Council of Trent on the
> evolution of secular art.
Nah, that's obscure enough to save for a doctoral
dissertation.
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Audacious Faith
> "Audacious Faith" amj...@netzero.net wrote:
>
>
>
> >i understand your disappointment with me, zero.
>
> maybe you do, maybe you don't.
then explain it. so far, i'm in the dark even as to whether or not anything
i've reviewed and written addresses anything you're concerned about. if
concerned is even the right word.
> >i don't understand you turning your back on me,
>
> i'm not turning my back on you. i don't do that. i'm not
> a hypocrite. i only asked you for one thing. you agreed.
> if i had turned my back on you, you wouldn't be reading
> these words right now, would you? nor would you have read
> all the words you've read since i asked you for that one
> thing.
okay. point taken.
>
> >and not even attempting...
>
> i am attempting, i'm just not sure how to explain.
>
> i'll keep trying.
yeah, sure. all you have to do is answer any of the questions, or address
anything i've said thus far with your usual finesse. i don't see it
happening. all i see are words that confuse further.
>
> >never mind. water under the bridge. spilled milk. whatever.
>
> don't be so dramatic. <g>
>
just as you claim your sicilian nature causes you to act in certain ways, so
does the drama queen who lives in me. besides, never reject a woman when
it's that time of the month. bad juju. very bad. <g>
aj