Procrastination Poll #2: Saddest Movie
Ellen
For a long time, it was "Heartburn" for me. The first time I watched it, I
was living the story in real life. Every time after that, I relived it.
A few months ago I saw a movie called "Ponette" (I may be spelling that
incorrectly) in French with subtitles. It's about a little girl who is
confused and trying to come to terms with her mother's sudden death. It
broke my heart over and over and over.
Ellen
Maggie Forest
>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
Referring to my answer to Wendy's first poll: 'Gallipoli'
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Ellen <ecr...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
Dorothy J Heydt
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> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
Hmmm. I always cry at the end of "The Seventh Seal."
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Keltic
>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
The last few minutes of Backdraft
Nearly all of Blackrock
Cheers, Keltic
Ari Nordstrom
wrote:
>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
>The last few minutes of Backdraft
But the ending isn't THAT bad.
/Ari
Alma Hromic
wrote:
>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
>Referring to my answer to Wendy's first poll: 'Gallipoli'
>
yes, indeed. that, and a couple of other ones, too. "gettysburg"
destroyed me i sobbed my way through that to an unprecedented degree.
a welsh movie called "hedd wyn" about a bard who dies in WW I had
exactly the same effect.
funny how films about war's futility do that to me, in fact.
the other theme is animals and any kind of cruelty to them. i cried
from sheer RAGE in "gorrilas in the mist".
A.
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Ellen wrote:
> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
If anyone laughs I'll hurt them.
One of the movies that makes me cry everytime I see it is
"The Lion King" when Mufasa dies and Simba is trying to
get him to wake up.
Smokey (yes I'm serious)
>
>
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Re: Procrastination Poll #2: Saddest Movie
"Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> asked:
>So, what movie will make you cry,
>no matter how many times you've seen it?
Awakenings. The Meaning of Life. Ben Hur. Avalon. etc.
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Ellen wrote in message <7t98tn$666$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net>...
>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen
it?
Closest anything came was the (very) end of "Braveheart".
Faith L. McCammon
The ending was so upsetting & hopeless.
Faith
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> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
Eliska
wrote:
>
>
>Ellen wrote:
>
>> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
>If anyone laughs I'll hurt them.
>
>One of the movies that makes me cry everytime I see it is
>"The Lion King" when Mufasa dies and Simba is trying to
>get him to wake up.
>
>
>Smokey (yes I'm serious)
>
>>
Me too. OOPS! OK I'll make this longer,
Also ET, and Casablanca - the scene in the train station.
>>
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> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
"The Dead", which was the last movie John Huston directed. It's a very literal
adaptation of the James Joyce story, and the monologue at the end always does
it.
"My Girl", because the relationship between the main character and her best
friend was identical to my relationship with my childhood best friend- except
that I didn't die. That was a really horrid twist.
Paul
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Eliska
I couldn't buy that ending because it happened to soon after he became
human. Not enough time to see his joy at being real and being with
what's her name.
The original film upon which the story was based, "Wings of Desire",
was not an sad ending at all.
Keltic
Nordstrom) wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:43:58 GMT, kel...@SPAM.zip.com.au (Keltic)
>wrote:
>>The last few minutes of Backdraft
>But the ending isn't THAT bad.
Heh... as one that spent several years in rescue, it always brings
tears. Not to mention the fact that I'm a softie when it comes to
films.
Cheers, Keltic
Keltic
<st...@spelbind.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Closest anything came was the (very) end of "Braveheart".
Oh yeah! That last shout of "freedom".
I always liked the closing scenes..."I hope you washed your arse
today, it's about to be kissed by a king"... followed by the ensuing
mayhem.
Cheers, Keltic
Andy Katz
>A few months ago I saw a movie called "Ponette" (I may be spelling that
>incorrectly) in French with subtitles. It's about a little girl who is
>confused and trying to come to terms with her mother's sudden death. It
>broke my heart over and over and over.
This reminds me of another French movie, the of which escapes me
(something about playgrounds, or children at play), during the opening
days of the Battle of France, a girl and her parents are fleeing along
a road filled with refugees; they are strafed and the parents killed.
The child wanders about, lost and still clutching her puppy. A grown
up grabs the puppy, "This dog is dead," she says, and casually tosses
it off the bridge.
That was sad.
(Nearly as sad as not remembering the title).
Andy Katz
Ps: I don't want to start a new thread, but the saddest literary
passage I can think of is in Winnie the Pooh (or is it House at Pooh
Corner) at the end when Christopher Robin haltingly explains to Pooh
that "they don't just let you do nothing" and asks if Pooh will still
visit their old haunts ... powerful stuff--time gives and takes away.
The second saddest passage is the death of Bobby in chapter 12 of my
book, The Burn Cantos.
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RDeschene
wrote:
>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
>Referring to my answer to Wendy's first poll: 'Gallipoli'
>
"Gallipoli" does it to me, too.
Sue
RDeschene
wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:13:51 -0700, "Faith L. McCammon"
><mc...@belmontcty.net> wrote:
>
>>City of Angels.
>>
>>The ending was so upsetting & hopeless.
>>
>>Faith
>>
>
>I couldn't buy that ending because it happened to soon after he became
>human. Not enough time to see his joy at being real and being with
>what's her name.
>
>The original film upon which the story was based, "Wings of Desire",
>was not an sad ending at all.
>
Heh. You took my answer. I was about to say that "Wings of Desire" was
vastly superior to the remake, and was actually an uplifting film. The
sequel, "Faraway, So Close!" was harder to understand, but I love it
just the same.
Sue
Deck Deckert
Don't remember the name, but I was done in by the end of a movie about a
faith healer. In the penultimate scene, her life blows apart. In an epilog
we seen the faith healer as a dried up old coot running a desert gas
station and curio shop. A family stops, parents and a bald 8-year-old
boy. The boy confides that he is dying of cancer and doesn't mind so much,
except that it makes his parents so sad.
The final scene is the woman silently hugging the boy, her healing hands
flat against his back.
Deck
aj
>
when i was young, "gigot," with jackie gleason. now, "the dead poet
society." i was heartbroken during the rejection scene in "the mirror has
two faces," but i'm not sure i'd cry again everytime i saw it. i guess i'll
have to see it again to find out.
aj
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>
> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
> was living the story in real life. Every time after that, I relived it.
>
> incorrectly) in French with subtitles. It's about a little girl who is
> confused and trying to come to terms with her mother's sudden death. It
> broke my heart over and over and over.
>
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Ellen wrote:
> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
> For a long time, it was "Heartburn" for me. The first time I watched it, I
> was living the story in real life. Every time after that, I relived it.
>
> A few months ago I saw a movie called "Ponette" (I may be spelling that
> incorrectly) in French with subtitles. It's about a little girl who is
> confused and trying to come to terms with her mother's sudden death. It
> broke my heart over and over and over.
>
> Ellen
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>
> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
Ellen wrote:
> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
Dunno why this didn't work the other two times...
I don't, as a rule, actually cry at films. It's awfully hard for me to
lost the awareness "This is only a movie."
The Oscar winner for "Best Documentary around ‘76, ‘77, something like
that, was "Harlan County, USA," which opens with a shot of miners going
down in the pit, lying down on ore cars because the space they'll be
passing through is too low for them to sit up. I'm the first generation
in my family to have escaped mining or timbering, and I cannot look at
those poor bastards --off to spend eight to twelve hours literally
crawling through a claustrophobic chill that would be a "worst
nightmare" for most of us-- without tearing up.
One of the few fictionalizations that has impressed me much the same way
is the "red coat" scene in "Schindler's List."
Epitome
like...
>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
The Postman (El Poste? I'm not sure of the spelling), an Italian flick
about the friendship that springs up between Pablo Neruda and a
mailman during Neruda's exile. A beautiful and altogether well-made
movie.
Cyrano de Bergerac (1950's starring Jose Ferrer).
Epitome
like...
>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
Almost forgot -- The Prince of Tides.
RDeschene
>On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 04:58:17 GMT, mag...@forest.gen.nz (Maggie Forest)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>>
>>Referring to my answer to Wendy's first poll: 'Gallipoli'
>>
>"Gallipoli" does it to me, too.
>
I knew I should've waited before hitting the "Send" button. Other
films that have the same effect on me:
"Kolya"; there's something about little kids and adults being forced
to separate that always gets to me. Same with "Kramer vs. Kramer."
Oh, and there's a scene in "Terms of Endearment" that always gets to
me. It's when Shirley MacLaine's character has just come back from
visiting her daughter at the hospital; the kids are swimming in the
hotel pool, and she looks like death warmed over. Then, Jack
Nicholson's character shows up. And I cry.
Oh, yeah, and I've seen "Born Free" at various points since my
childhood, but each and every time Elsa shows back up with her cubs, I
get all choked up. Heck, my eyes mist over just writing about it now.
I can no doubt think of more, but that'll do for now. . . .
Sue
Epitome
all like...
>>> what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
>Don't remember the name, but I was done in by the end of a movie about a
>faith healer. In the penultimate scene, her life blows apart. In an epilog
>we seen the faith healer as a dried up old coot running a desert gas
>station and curio shop. A family stops, parents and a bald 8-year-old
>boy. The boy confides that he is dying of cancer and doesn't mind so much,
>except that it makes his parents so sad.
>
>The final scene is the woman silently hugging the boy, her healing hands
>flat against his back.
I remember that movie. The woman had a NDE and after resuscitation,
had the ability to telekenetically heal. The downside was that she
took upon herself the symptoms and appearances (i.e., crooked limbs,
lesions, etc.) of those she helped... literally suffering their pain
and then, flushing it from her body.
She was snapped up by the medical and religious communities and tested
rigorously. When they couldn't explain it, they called it a hoax and
drove her into obscurity. That's how she winds up at the desert gas
station.
Good movie.
RMontanari
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Epitome
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>This sounds like "Resurrection" with Ellen Burstyn.
YES! That is it. Thank you. :)
Smokey
Eliska wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 06:33:44 -0400, Smokey <jensm...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Ellen wrote:
> >
> >> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
> >
> >If anyone laughs I'll hurt them.
> >
> >One of the movies that makes me cry everytime I see it is
> >"The Lion King" when Mufasa dies and Simba is trying to
> >get him to wake up.
> >
> >
> >Smokey (yes I'm serious)
> >
> >>
>
> Me too. OOPS! OK I'll make this longer,
<G>
>
>
> Also ET, and Casablanca - the scene in the train station.
The other one that reduces me to tears is the scene in Steel Magnolias where
Sally Fields character just buried her daughter.
And yes I cried at the end of Titanic even though I knew whazez face was gunna
die.
And I cry during at least one or two scenes in most Disney animated movies,
except Bambi, for some odd reason I never cried for Bambi's mother <shrug> dunno
And First Knight, when Arthur dies.
And Braveheart
And Dragonheart....any movie Sean Connery dies in will cause me to burst into
tears.. (The Untouchables)
And Jerry Mcguire(sp?<shrug>), the "You had me at hello" scene.
(but of course that wasn't sad...or maybe it was, Cruise is not my favorite
actor<g>)
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Epitome wrote:
> On 4 Oct 1999 16:44:03 GMT, Deck Deckert <de...@navajo.gate.net> was
> all like...
>
> >>> what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
> >
> >Don't remember the name, but I was done in by the end of a movie about a
> >faith healer. In the penultimate scene, her life blows apart. In an epilog
> >we seen the faith healer as a dried up old coot running a desert gas
> >station and curio shop. A family stops, parents and a bald 8-year-old
> >boy. The boy confides that he is dying of cancer and doesn't mind so much,
> >except that it makes his parents so sad.
> >
> >The final scene is the woman silently hugging the boy, her healing hands
> >flat against his back.
>
> I remember that movie. The woman had a NDE and after resuscitation,
> had the ability to telekenetically heal. The downside was that she
> took upon herself the symptoms and appearances (i.e., crooked limbs,
> lesions, etc.) of those she helped... literally suffering their pain
> and then, flushing it from her body.
>
> She was snapped up by the medical and religious communities and tested
> rigorously. When they couldn't explain it, they called it a hoax and
> drove her into obscurity. That's how she winds up at the desert gas
> station.
>
> Good movie.
Yeah Ellen Burstyn played the heroine and Sam Shepherd (who has a major role in
the movie) wrote a short story about his experiences in making the movie.
I think the title is something like _Resurrection_
Great movie.
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Re: Procrastination Poll #2: Saddest Movie
"RMontanari" <aut...@richardmontanari.com>
named the movie for Deck and Epitome:
>This sounds like "Resurrection" with Ellen Burstyn.
yep. that was a great film.
i don't remember crying per se, but i do remember being moved.
which reminds me of another guaranteed tear-jerker for me:
Ellen Burstyn and Alan Alda in "Same Time Next Year"
several great emotional scenes. and very funny too.
a masterpiece of sorts.
>~Richard
>www.RichardMontanari.com
>
>
>Epitome <epi...@chickmail.com> wrote in message
>> Deck Deckert <de...@navajo.gate.net> was all like...
>>
>> >>> what movie will make you cry,
>> >>> no matter how many times you've seen it?
>> >
>> > Don't remember the name, but I was done in by the end of a movie
>> > about a faith healer. In the penultimate scene, her life blows apart.
>> > In an epilog we seen the faith healer as a dried up old coot running
>> > a desert gas station and curio shop. A family stops, parents and a
>> > bald 8-year-old boy. The boy confides that he is dying of cancer and
>> > doesn't mind so much, except that it makes his parents so sad.
>> >
>> >The final scene is the woman silently hugging the boy, her healing
>> >hands flat against his back.
>>
>> I remember that movie. The woman had a NDE and after resuscitation,
>> had the ability to telekenetically heal. The downside was that she
>> took upon herself the symptoms and appearances (i.e., crooked limbs,
>> lesions, etc.) of those she helped... literally suffering their pain
>> and then, flushing it from her body.
which she was able to shake-off.
and she was a sex addict. :)
>> She was snapped up by the medical and religious communities
>> and tested rigorously. When they couldn't explain it, they called it
>> a hoax and drove her into obscurity. That's how she winds up at the
>> desert gas station.
not sure that's why. that wasn't my impression anyway.
seemed like more of a choice to leave the circus.
>> Good movie.
agreed.
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Smokey wrote:
> And Dragonheart....any movie Sean Connery dies in will cause me to burst into
> tears..
Before anyone says it.. I know he wasn't *really* the dragon, it was just a voice
over..but still.....
Smokey
>
>
Shadow Image
> 925z
>
>
> "you either shut-up or get cut-out,
> they don't wanna hear about it...
> it's only inches on the reel to reel..."
> -- Elvis Costello
> [song: "Radio Radio"]
>
>
> Re: Procrastination Poll #2: Saddest Movie
>
>
>
> >So, what movie will make you cry,
> >no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
>
>
> -$Zero... WhoWishesThatMoviesWere... LessLike"Stories"...
> AndMoreLike... Audio/VisualExperiences... LikeMusicOrPainting...
> (WhatAConsistentlyWastedMedium)...
Less like stories? Can you expand on this idea? There are plenty of
audio/visual experiences in movies that could care less what the story line
is as long as it provides some sort of framework for the effects.
You'd like to see effects with no story? Paintings and music oft times tell
a story. Perhaps a different story for each individual that experiences
them, but a story none the less.
Is it possible to get away from stories and just have an audio/visual
experience? When I listen to music that evokes some type of emotion in me,
it isn't long before a story follows upon the heels of that emotion. I may
experience a feeling of haste, which leads to a picture in my mind of
running, then running through underbrush, being chased, feeling panicked,
then the mood in the music changes, and I find myself in a clearing, feeling
free and safe. This becomes my story.
Even a still life of fruit can stir a story in the imagination. Not often, I
grant you, but possible. It depends on what visual cues the artist may
choose to include in the painting.
Stories are an integral part of the human experience. I don't believe that
you are suggesting here that stories are unimportant, but I find the idea of
having an audio/visual experience unrelated to a story (be it real life or
fiction) intriguing, and I wonder just how possible that is. Or, if
possible, would it be fulfilling or meaningful in any way?
Perhaps I'm not capable of letting go of concepts and just experiencing
something purely for the effect it may have on me. A framework of some kind,
a concept, a story all seem imperative to understanding the experience.
SI
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>
>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
Most any well-filmed movie will evoke teary moments for me,
but what immediately came to mind as I read the question was
_Lady and the Tramp_.
That meatball-sharing scene is simply, lovingly devestating.
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Smokey
Wolf Lahti wrote:
> Ellen asked
> >
> >So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
> >
>
> Most any well-filmed movie will evoke teary moments for me,
> but what immediately came to mind as I read the question was
> _Lady and the Tramp_.
>
> That meatball-sharing scene is simply, lovingly devestating.
>
>
Oh I had forgotten about that one!
Another excellent movie.
Smokey (so what, I'm a Disney freak ok???)
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> > -$Zero... WhoWishesThatMoviesWere... LessLike"Stories"...
> > AndMoreLike... Audio/VisualExperiences... LikeMusicOrPainting...
> > (WhatAConsistentlyWastedMedium)...
>
> Is it possible to get away from stories and just have an audio/visual
> experience?
I got one film for ya that *might* qualify:
Koyannistqatsi
If I'm spelling it wrong, I apologize. Documentary (sorta) of music by Philip
Glass and beautiful images, put together. First time I saw it was summer after
junior year of high school in the basement of the Yale School of Drama screening
room. I walked out and didn't talk for two hours (an eternity for my babbling
butt). No story, just audio/visual experience.
Eric
Shadow Image
again, but can't remember the title. Has anyone seen the movie of a young
woman who takes a different lover every month in order to change their lives
in some way? For the month of November she chooses a man who makes boxes for
a living. They fall in love with each other, but at the end of November she
kicks him out like all the others, changes the locks and moves on to the
next lover. He discovers she's dying (of cancer, I think). I'm pretty sure
November was in the title of the movie.
Blanche Nonken
> On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:13:51 -0700, "Faith L. McCammon"
> <mc...@belmontcty.net> wrote:
>
> >City of Angels.
> >
> >The ending was so upsetting & hopeless.
> >
> >Faith
> >
>
> I couldn't buy that ending because it happened to soon after he became
> human. Not enough time to see his joy at being real and being with
> what's her name.
>
> The original film upon which the story was based, "Wings of Desire",
> was not an sad ending at all.
If we want to shift this to books, I nominate "Ancient of Days."
One of the saddest, most heart-breaking books I've ever read.
Blanche Nonken
>
>
> Ellen wrote:
>
> > So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
> If anyone laughs I'll hurt them.
>
> One of the movies that makes me cry everytime I see it is
> "The Lion King" when Mufasa dies and Simba is trying to
> get him to wake up.
>
>
> Smokey (yes I'm serious)
Yes, that's actually on my list, too. Have you yet seen "The
Iron Giant"? Near the end, when the Giant closes his eyes and
says "Superman!" That about broke my heart.
And I'll expect you to hurt anyone that laughs at me, too.
Blanche Nonken
> >> what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
> Don't remember the name, but I was done in by the end of a movie about a
> faith healer. In the penultimate scene, her life blows apart. In an epilog
> we seen the faith healer as a dried up old coot running a desert gas
> station and curio shop. A family stops, parents and a bald 8-year-old
> boy. The boy confides that he is dying of cancer and doesn't mind so much,
> except that it makes his parents so sad.
>
> The final scene is the woman silently hugging the boy, her healing hands
> flat against his back.
"Resurrection" and I think it was Ellen Burstyn. Yes, another
good tear-jerker.
ingrid
>
> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
Old Yeller, E.T., almost any Christmas movie, specially A Christmas
Carol with Alistair Sim .... or It's a Wonderful Life. So many, really.
Pavarotti doing Nessun dorma does it, especially with the big ending he
gives it, so does Cedric Smith doing Carrighfergus on the Loreena
McKennitt album.
All kinds of stuff moves me to grab the kleenex.
Just the other day, in the paper, there was a photograph of the
headstone over the grave of a 9 year girl who'd been raped and murdered
in Toronto 13 years ago. Below her name and the date of birth and death
was the line "Walk in balance little sister."
Don't know why that line broke almost broke my heart, but it did.
Still does.
ing
Hound of Cullen
: So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
Trevor Nunn's version of Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, starring Imogene
Stubbs, Helena Bonham Carter, etc. I get all choked up when the twins are
reunited.
Let Him Have It, a british film about the trial and execution of a
developmentally disabled young man.
Hound
Len Olszewski
[...]
|> >On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> wrote:
|> >
|> >>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
[...]
The remake of "The Champ" with Jon Voight and the young Ricky Schroeder. I'll never
watch the damn thing again. My wife and I watched it on video tape, I dunno, about
12 years of so ago when it first came out, and we literally had to stop the tape maybe
five times for "kleenex breaks". Best goddamn tear-jerker I've ever seen, and like I
said, I won't be watching it again.
Len
Faith L. McCammon
Faith L. McCammon wrote in message <7ta5oi$4o5$1...@athena.netset.com>...
>City of Angels.
>
>The ending was so upsetting & hopeless.
>
>Faith
>
>
Marshall, Sally's 2nd love interest, tells her he wished for her, too. The
look on her face, then she bursts into heart-wrenching tears.
RDeschene
>On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 04:58:17 GMT, mag...@forest.gen.nz (Maggie Forest)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>>
>>Referring to my answer to Wendy's first poll: 'Gallipoli'
>>
>"Gallipoli" does it to me, too.
>
Thought of another one: "Glory." Much like "Gallipoli," you have a
pretty good idea what's going to happen to these men, but knowing
ahead of time doesn't make the end any less gut-wrenching, the sense
of lives needlessly lost any less keen.
Sue
Scott Elyard
igl...@worldnet.att.net (Eliska) wrote:
> Me too. OOPS! OK I'll make this longer,
>
> Also ET, and Casablanca - the scene in the train station.
I don't remember a train station scene in 'ET.'
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Scott Elyard
Ejucaided Redneck
>
> On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> was all
> like...
>
> >So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
Hope you read it too. That is one _powerful_ novel.
I don't think the screenplay did any real justice to it.
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>
> After reading through this thread I thought of a movie I'd like to see
> again, but can't remember the title. Has anyone seen the movie of a young
> woman who takes a different lover every month in order to change their lives
> in some way? For the month of November she chooses a man who makes boxes for
> a living. They fall in love with each other, but at the end of November she
> kicks him out like all the others, changes the locks and moves on to the
> next lover. He discovers she's dying (of cancer, I think). I'm pretty sure
> November was in the title of the movie.
"Sweet November," Sandy Dennis and Anthony Newley.
I remembered this one, but for movies you just _gotta_ know the name of,
cast of, director of etc., check out htp://www.imdb.com
It's the "Internet Movie Data Base" and just about anything you'd care
to know about a movie is in there.
>
> SI
>
> --
> Some there be that shadows kiss;
> Such have but a shadow's bliss.
> -Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice,II,9"
--
w.d. greene
>
> Epitome wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> was all
> > like...
> >
> > >So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
> >
> > Almost forgot -- The Prince of Tides.
>
> Hope you read it too. That is one _powerful_ novel.
>
> I don't think the screenplay did any real justice to it.
That was unquestionably one of the worst novels I've ever read.
Random idiocy. Implausible plot elements bashing the thing to an
end. Implausible, chapter long sidebars having nothing to do with
anything beyond increasing the word count. Over and over it screamed,
"please make a movie out of me so my author can make tons of money."
I read it upon the recommendation of a family member. I even finished
it so as to be polite and be able to discuss the ending. It was
terrible. I love Babs and I've seen just about every one of her
movies but after reading the book I had no desire to ever see the
movie. Ever.
Ken Jenks
Dammit, aside from the insane plot device computer and stupid aliens, we
should have that kind of space program by then. A real space station
under construction in LEO. Commercial (PanAm) service to the moon. A
thriving underground lunar base. A manned interplanetary nuclear rocket.
Pods. An AE-35 unit.
Instead, our ancient fleet of shuttles is grounded yet again and we
can't even make a lousy AT&T phone call to space. Since the last Mir
crew left, there's nobody up there. Do you realize that this is the
first time in the last decade or so that we're all stuck down here?
Sniff. Don't get me started.
-- Ken Jenks, Editor-in-chief, Mind's Eye Fiction
http://tale.com/ Novels and short stories on-line
Mind...@tale.com
Science fiction by David Brin, Michael A. Burstein, Tom Easton,
Larry Niven, Spider Robinson, Fred Saberhagen,
Robert Silverberg, Bud Sparhawk, Bud Webster, and many more.
I'll give you a dollar's worth of stories for a link.
Write for details.
Ejucaided Redneck
>
> [...]
>
> |> >On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> wrote:
> |> >
> |> >>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
>
> The remake of "The Champ" with Jon Voight and the young Ricky Schroeder. I'll never
> watch the damn thing again. My wife and I watched it on video tape, I dunno, about
> 12 years of so ago when it first came out, and we literally had to stop the tape maybe
> five times for "kleenex breaks". Best goddamn tear-jerker I've ever seen, and like I
> said, I won't be watching it again.
>
often as not was some Wallace Beery flick. Ever seen the original
"Champ," with Beery and Jackie Cooper? That one might still get me.
Blanche Nonken
>
>
> Wolf Lahti wrote:
>
> > Ellen asked
> > >
> > >So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
> > >
> >
> > Most any well-filmed movie will evoke teary moments for me,
> > but what immediately came to mind as I read the question was
> > _Lady and the Tramp_.
> >
> > That meatball-sharing scene is simply, lovingly devestating.
> >
> >
>
> Oh I had forgotten about that one!
>
> Another excellent movie.
>
>
> Smokey (so what, I'm a Disney freak ok???)
Did you get chills at the animation when Pocahontas coyly brushed
her hair behind one ear while sitting in the canoe?
Oh, yeah. Here's another Disney moment.
Mariel, the one with PDD and the speech/language disorder was
(sort of) singing along with "The Aristocats."
When she sang the following:
"If at first it seems as though it doesn't show,
like a tree ability will bloom and grow,"
I started crying.
Ejucaided Redneck
>
> Ejucaided Redneck wrote:
> >
> > Epitome wrote:
> > >
> > > like...
> > >
> > > >So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
> > >
> >
> > Hope you read it too. That is one _powerful_ novel.
> >
> > I don't think the screenplay did any real justice to it.
>
> That was unquestionably one of the worst novels I've ever read.
<snippage>
> I love Babs and I've seen just about every one of her
> movies but after reading the book I had no desire to ever see the
> movie. Ever.
<snippage>
To each his own.
But I'd give a pretty to think that before I die I could write a novel
as good as that.
And for what it's worth, I wouldn't go see Streisand if she was standing
in the yard of the guy across the highway. I think the movie version of
POT is the only Streisand film I've willingly seen, though I been
dragged to a couple others.
Wolf Lahti
>
>On 4 Oct 1999 16:44:03 GMT, Deck Deckert <de...@navajo.gate.net> was
>all like...
>
>>>> what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>>
>>faith healer. In the penultimate scene, her life blows apart. In an epilog
>>we seen the faith healer as a dried up old coot running a desert gas
>>station and curio shop. A family stops, parents and a bald 8-year-old
>>boy. The boy confides that he is dying of cancer and doesn't mind so much,
>>except that it makes his parents so sad.
>>
>>The final scene is the woman silently hugging the boy, her healing hands
>>flat against his back.
>
>had the ability to telekenetically heal. The downside was that she
>took upon herself the symptoms and appearances (i.e., crooked limbs,
>lesions, etc.) of those she helped... literally suffering their pain
>and then, flushing it from her body.
>
>rigorously. When they couldn't explain it, they called it a hoax and
>drove her into obscurity. That's how she winds up at the desert gas
>station.
>
>
I didn't see that one, but I saw what must have been the remake,
with Dana Delaney. Well-acted, high production values, quite
moving. Her healing experience was more shamanistic rather than
physically empathic (she sometimes saw dead relatives in the vicinity
of her healings) - and she deliberately went into obscurity in
order to practice her gift without the media shadowing her every step.
Intriguingly and subtle presented was the fact that, although she could
apparently heal pretty much anything, there were some people she could
do nothing for, including her own, estranged mother.
w.d. greene
Ejucaided Redneck wrote:
> w.d. greene wrote:
> >
> > Ejucaided Redneck wrote:
> > >
> > > Epitome wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> was
all
> > > > like...
> > > >
> > > > >So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've
seen it?
> > > >
> > > > Almost forgot -- The Prince of Tides.
> > >
> > > Hope you read it too. That is one _powerful_ novel.
> > >
> > > I don't think the screenplay did any real justice to it.
> >
> > That was unquestionably one of the worst novels I've ever read.
>
> <snippage>
>
> > I love Babs and I've seen just about every one of her
> > movies but after reading the book I had no desire to ever see the
> > movie. Ever.
>
> <snippage>
>
> To each his own.
Of course.
> But I'd give a pretty to think that before I die I could write a novel
> as good as that.
I've said the same thing about many books. POT is not one of them. Sure,
I'd like to make the money that book made but, IMO, it's not much of a
literary accomplishment compared to a number of other recent books. I
liked the movie "The Great Santini" well enough (though I didn't read the
book). I've seen Pat Conroy speak on TV and I've read interviews he's
given. He seems like a swell guy. But POT was horrible.
> And for what it's worth, I wouldn't go see Streisand if she was standing
> in the yard of the guy across the highway. I think the movie version of
> POT is the only Streisand film I've willingly seen, though I been
> dragged to a couple others.
Again, to each his own. She doesn't always make the best choices (A Star
is Born) but when she's good I enjoy her screen image and especially her
voice very much.
Patricia S. Bowne
>
> >So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
Shadowlands. I'm a wreck every time I watch the second half.
Pat
Steve Pritchard
Keltic wrote in message <37fcb465....@news.zip.com.au>...
>On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:11:18 +0100, "Steve Pritchard"
><st...@spelbind.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Closest anything came was the (very) end of "Braveheart".
>
>Oh yeah! That last shout of "freedom".
I almost, *almost* gave in right there. Lump very much in the throat.
>I always liked the closing scenes..."I hope you washed your arse
>today, it's about to be kissed by a king"... followed by the ensuing
>mayhem.
Despite the bloody awful inaccuracies, it was rather special film.
Andy Katz
Nonken) wrote:
>Yes, that's actually on my list, too. Have you yet seen "The
>Iron Giant"? Near the end, when the Giant closes his eyes and
>says "Superman!" That about broke my heart.
That was good stuff, powerful.
I ought to have mentioned the denouement of Jacob's Ladder, and the
death of the father in Follow Me, Boys!, which has caused me to loathe
Disney ever since.
Andy Katz
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Elyard) wrote:
>I don't remember a train station scene in 'ET.'
It was just after ET told Drew Barrymore, "You played it for her, now
play it for me!"
Marg Petersen
Shadow Image <shado...@usa.net> wrote:
>After reading through this thread I thought of a movie I'd like to see
>again, but can't remember the title. Has anyone seen the movie of a young
>woman who takes a different lover every month in order to change their lives
>in some way? For the month of November she chooses a man who makes boxes for
>a living. They fall in love with each other, but at the end of November she
>kicks him out like all the others, changes the locks and moves on to the
>next lover. He discovers she's dying (of cancer, I think). I'm pretty sure
>November was in the title of the movie.
You are correct. It was entitled _Sweet November, released
in 1968 and starring Sandy Dennis and Anthony Newley.
>SI
Marg
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Deck Deckert wrote in message <7talgj$13hk$1...@news.gate.net>...
>>> what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've
seen it?
>
about a
>faith healer. In the penultimate scene, her life blows apart. In
an epilog
>we seen the faith healer as a dried up old coot running a desert
gas
>station and curio shop. A family stops, parents and a bald
8-year-old
>boy. The boy confides that he is dying of cancer and doesn't
mind so much,
>except that it makes his parents so sad.
>
>The final scene is the woman silently hugging the boy, her
healing hands
>flat against his back.
>
That rings a few bells, Deck. Wasn't that the one where she
started out as a beautiful young woman who, when she discovered
her miraculous healing powers, also discovered that she had to
give some of her own life force to each of the people she healed?
And when she reached the stage of knowing that the next healing
would probably be the one that would kill her, she went into
isolation to the desert place because there was little chance of
her being recognised there?
What choked me most about that last scene, when she so
willingly gave the last of her strength to the boy with cancer,
was the fact that in spite of how ghastly she then looked, she
was *still* only a young woman.
Sorry, I can't remember the title, either -- or even who
played the part. But it's a lot of years since I saw it so it
obviously made an impression.
Regards, Bernie.
Zero Audio Video Ratio
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measured out in shirts..."
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Re: Audio/Visual Experiences was: Re: Procrastination Poll #2: Saddest Movie
"Shadow Image" <shado...@usa.net> wondered:
>zero...@aol.com (Zero Weeping Willow) wrote:
>> 925z
>>
>> "you either shut-up or get cut-out,
>> they don't wanna hear about it...
>> it's only inches on the reel to reel..."
>> -- Elvis Costello
>> [song: "Radio Radio"]
>>
>> Re: Procrastination Poll #2: Saddest Movie
>>
>> "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> asked:
>>
>> >So, what movie will make you cry,
>> >no matter how many times you've seen it?
>>
>> Awakenings. The Meaning of Life. Ben Hur. Avalon. etc.
>>
>>
>> -$Zero... WhoWishesThatMoviesWere... LessLike"Stories"...
>> AndMoreLike... Audio/VisualExperiences... LikeMusicOrPainting...
>> (WhatAConsistentlyWastedMedium)...
>
>Less like stories? Can you expand on this idea?
sure. though i do so reluctantly... being that i think that such
a film genre could be incredibly lucrative. however, my desire to
see it become widespread far outweighs my personal greediness.
<sigh> the burdens of creative-genius.
>There are plenty of audio/visual experiences in movies that
>could care less what the story line is as long as it provides
>some sort of framework for the effects.
true. but, in my mind, not intentionally enough. it's not done
as an artform in itself. it's kinda backgroundish. and, it IS more
in the line of "effects" instead of what i'm thinking of.
also, let me clarify something here. the movie examples i gave
above are completely irrelevant to the wish i expressed that
films be more oriented towards audio/visual experiences.
>You'd like to see effects with no story?
no. not really. effects kinda bore me. at least after one or two
runs through them. unlike music or paintings, "effects" tend to
become obsolete either quickly or over time.
>Paintings and music oft times tell a story.
true. and i enjoy and delight in much created in that manner.
but story often has a limiting effect on a film. even timeless stories.
stories tend to be political in some way or another. stories tend
to... well... tell a story. whereas music, for example, can act as
an emotional or intellectual tool... one that the listener uses rather
than simply listens to or hears.
>Perhaps a different story for each individual that experiences
>them, but a story none the less.
yeah... well... depending on the composition, the story can be
either extremely tight or generously loose as far as possible
interpretations go. the looser a composition is (either musically,
lyrically, photographically or painting-wise) the more freedom and
imagination the observer/interacter has.
of course, some observers just use carte blanche anyway <g>
>Is it possible to get away from stories and just have an
>audio/visual experience?
yep. definitely. and even these experiences can be controlled
in the same way (loose vs tight interpretation) depending on the
use of imagery and sound.
>When I listen to music that evokes some type of emotion in
>me, it isn't long before a story follows upon the heels of that
>emotion. I may experience a feeling of haste, which leads to
>a picture in my mind of running, then running through underbrush,
>being chased, feeling panicked, then the mood in the music
>changes, and I find myself in a clearing, feeling free and safe.
>This becomes my story.
precisely. though story is not an essential product of listening to
a particular piece of music or viewing a painting. for instance,
imagine this scene:
regular lawn grass on a bright, sunny, blue-sky day. mid-morning.
the grass fills the screen almost to the top. off in the distance, trees.
endless trees. a 24 hour time span. the elapsed time compressed
to fit the length of beethoven's 9th symphony. no characters.
no significant change (from begining to end) in the nature of the
grass, trees or sky (besides color and shadows and perhaps wind).
at the end of the symphony... complete silence... and whiteness...
for ten-plus seconds. immediately followed by the most beautiful
collage of flowers you've ever seen... brief snippets of high resolution
film of every flower known to mankind... rapidly flickering before
your eyes... as the silence ever so slowly transforms into the
sounds of a zillion different birds chirping... each flower fading in
at a different moment, on a different part of "the canvas" and then
fading out (with varying durations of canvass time per flower -- some
repeating elsewhere). hundreds on the canvas at any given time.
behind the birds you hear a tribal drum approaching... the ever-
changing flower canvas begins to digitize... vivid images emerge
that you've never before contemplated... with music to match...
lines and color... swirls and thunder... landscapes unimaginable...
gliding... coasting... new shades of gray... geometric overload...
banjo... harmonica... roll credits... discalimer: "this was not a cartoon."
i mean... really now... wouldn't you love to see the great artistic
minds of our age experiment with that whole audio/visual spectrum?
sure, my example is extreme, but i was just trying to illustrate
in words just how limiting words are. and how limiting story is.
not an easy task (using words).
>Even a still life of fruit can stir a story in the imagination.
i'll bet. <g>
but it can also be storyless. it can be there in and of itself.
its own beauty. its own atmosphere. no plot. no agenda.
>Not often, I grant you, but possible. It depends on what visual
>cues the artist may choose to include in the painting.
yep. of course. and if we look at art expecting a story,
we'll probably get one. regardless of whether or not the artist
"wrote" one. i think many people who don't seem to be able to
appreciate tons of art are missing that whole "experience" thing.
that "here it is" thing.
they want a story. and if there aren't enough devices that
they can can use to make a story, they simply consider
the art a piece of useless crap.
>Stories are an integral part of the human experience.
well... so is the "here it is" dynamic of life. though most
people miss it because they have become story-junkies.
>I don't believe that you are suggesting here that stories are
>unimportant,
no. i'm not. i love stories. i'm addicted to them as well.
i'm just saying that they're not absolutely necessary...
and that often, stories are quite distracting.
"consider the lillies of the field."
>but I find the idea of having an audio/visual experience unrelated
>to a story (be it real life or fiction) intriguing, and I wonder just
>how possible that is.
me too. i've made quite a few films along those lines.
quite dramatic footage (though, i often tend to use
characters and story as a crutch in these films... because
they're so familar to me). i used to record obscure music off
the radio and then make films to fit the "moods..."
interesting stuff. and not just to me.
and i could use the same footage with different music
and it would change everything. and vice versa.
>Or, if possible, would it be fulfilling or meaningful in any way?
i think so. just in a different way. usually, a non-intrusive way.
>Perhaps I'm not capable of letting go of concepts and just
>experiencing something purely for the effect it may have on
>me.
i'm sure you are capable, but you probably have to practice not
focusing your consciousness on looking for "the profit margin."
not an easy thing to do these days.
we are so detached from reality, and we don't even know it.
in fact, we are _certain_ that just the opposite is true.
>A framework of some kind, a concept, a story all seem
>imperative to understanding the experience.
specifically, perhaps. though i must say that i believe that
my interpretations of certain artistic endeavors are probably
very close to other people's. emotion transcends. spirit too.
OTOH, i love seeing other people's interpretations of music
when it's differnet than mine. that's just as fascinating.
for instance, beethoven's 9th has been used in many films and
each has given it a new voice. i imagine it must mean something
completely different to people who understand the language
used in the piece during that whole vocal section. personally,
i don't have a clue what they're saying... i never pay it any
conscious mind. i just love the intensity of the music.
it might be fun to project what the lyrics actually are.
and screw MTV. what a waste of opportunity. although
there are rare exceptions, for the most part, music videos
are barren. (not to mention most of the music).
for instance, filming guitar fingering or concert footage
is about as boring as physically possible. what a shame.
i'd love to see some talented directors do various versions
of various music... just to compare them.
there's so much material out there for this genre, it's mind-boggling.
i'd sure be willing to fork out the ticket price to see such films.
it would be so refreshing if this were part of the mainstream
of film-making.
>SI
>--
>Some there be that shadows kiss;
>Such have but a shadow's bliss.
>-Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice,II,9"
"the shadow of your smile..."
-- some 60's vocalist
-$Zero... Annnnnd.... PRINT!
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Blanche Nonken
> On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:37:40 GMT, mombl...@bigfoot.com (Blanche
> Nonken) wrote:
>
> >Yes, that's actually on my list, too. Have you yet seen "The
> >Iron Giant"? Near the end, when the Giant closes his eyes and
> >says "Superman!" That about broke my heart.
>
> That was good stuff, powerful.
>
> I ought to have mentioned the denouement of Jacob's Ladder, and the
> death of the father in Follow Me, Boys!, which has caused me to loathe
> Disney ever since.
I've never seen those.
KMadeleine
>
>
>
>Ellen wrote:
>
>> So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
>
>One of the movies that makes me cry everytime I see it is
>"The Lion King" when Mufasa dies and Simba is trying to
>get him to wake up.
>
>
>Smokey (yes I'm serious)
i believe you. the only scene that's *guaranteed* to get me
crying, no matter what mood i'm in, is in 'dumbo', when his
mom is swinging him in her trunk and singing to him while
she's locked in the jail car. even thinking about it makes
me weepy.
i hope i haven't spoiled the movie for anyone who hasn't seen it!
Keltic
<briarh...@yall.com> wrote:
>passing through is too low for them to sit up. I'm the first generation
>in my family to have escaped mining or timbering, and I cannot look at
>those poor bastards --off to spend eight to twelve hours literally
>crawling through a claustrophobic chill that would be a "worst
>nightmare" for most of us-- without tearing up.
Did you ever watch Matewan? If so, what did you think of it?
Cheers, Keltic
Faith L. McCammon
movies, ya know, a few tears & it's over with, but a scene in Hope Floats
had me bawling & searching for a box of tissues.
Any one get upset when the li'l girl wanted to go with her daddy to live and
he deliberately left her behind so that he could have a fling w/ another
woman? She was trying to get into the car & her father locked the doors and
rolled up the window and drove off with her screaming and crying at the gate
for him to come back & get her.
I guess it must've got me more than a lot of people. I'm one of those folks
that gets utterly livid when I see a person or animal treated cruelly or
unfairly. I'll say one thing, that li'l girl in that movie was a hell of an
actress!
Faith
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Ejucaided Redneck
In brief I thought it was wonderful.
As movies go it's not bad history. The events depicted in the film
happened much as they're depicted. For anyone who grew up hearing tales
of "the old days" told by old timers who as young men risked their lives
to organize UMWA locals, the names "Sid Hatfield" and "C. C. Testerman"
have been legendary for a courage seldom exhibited by elected officials
around the coal fields. Maybe the best legacy of "Matewan" is people
who'll never see Appalachian mountains know about those men.
If the UMWA wasn't the first union to fully integrate racially and
culturally, it was one of the first, and I like how the movie
illustrates that bit of history.
What I most appreciated was the unabashedly honest depiction of
Appalachian people. The narrating voice is real, not a worst coast
casting director's notion of a hillbilly accent. In the funeral scene,
Hazel Dickens' a capella rendition of "Hills of Galilee" is the kind of
rough untrained powerful voice heard in tiny white frame churches when I
was growing up. Sayles' depiction --he acted the part himself-- of a
hard shell preacher was right on the money.
The movie was made in an abandoned town along West Virginia's New River,
and the "look" is right. A nice authentic touch showed up when, in the
aftermath of a gun battle between the miners and the gun thugs, it
wasn't easy to see who to shoot or to find bodies in the aftermath.
These hills can hide things like bodies very well.
I first saw "Matewan" in a New Orleans theater. It made me terribly
homesick, and very few movies allegedly about Appalachia can do that.
"Matewan" was a very low budget film, and is a fine example of how much
can be done when more attention is paid to writing, acting and setting
than special effects. Another "little" film few people have seen that's
worth watching is "Pharaoh's Army," which takes its story from an
anecdote set in our unCivil War and cited by Harry Caudill in NIGHT
COMES TO THE CUMBERLANDS, the definitive history of Appalachia.
I've likely said more than you wanted here, but need to mention THUNDER
IN THE MOUNTAINS, by Lon Savage, primary source material for "Matewan."
It contains a number of illustrations which make clear the "look" of the
film was quite accurate, and Amazon.com has it as a special order for
about fifteen dollars US.
Denise Giardina has written the two finest novels about the coal fields,
STORMING HEAVEN and its sequel THE UNQUIET EARTH, which together
represent a fifty or sixty year cycle. An Episcopal priest who grew up
in a West Virginia coal camp, Giardina has in those two books pulled off
a difficult task: she's rewritten a story that's been told many times,
and made of it both an accessible story _and_ two pieces of literature I
suspect will still be alive when the rest of us have gone to be worm
food.
Sorry for running on. I can talk about Appalachia the way blue haired
grannies can talk about their kids' kids: for hours.
Shadow Image
Zero Audio Video Ratio <zero...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991004213711...@ng-fs1.aol.com...
> "Shadow Image" <shado...@usa.net> wondered:
>
>
> >zero...@aol.com (Zero Weeping Willow) wrote:
> >> 925z
> >> -$Zero... WhoWishesThatMoviesWere... LessLike"Stories"...
> >> AndMoreLike... Audio/VisualExperiences... LikeMusicOrPainting...
> >> (WhatAConsistentlyWastedMedium)...
> >
> >Less like stories? Can you expand on this idea?
>
> sure. though i do so reluctantly... being that i think that such
> a film genre could be incredibly lucrative. however, my desire to
> see it become widespread far outweighs my personal greediness.
>
> <sigh> the burdens of creative-genius.
Console yourself with the thought that you are sharing the wealth of your
creativity to further the betterment of mankind. <g>
>
>
> >There are plenty of audio/visual experiences in movies that
> >could care less what the story line is as long as it provides
> >some sort of framework for the effects.
>
> true. but, in my mind, not intentionally enough. it's not done
> as an artform in itself. it's kinda backgroundish. and, it IS more
> in the line of "effects" instead of what i'm thinking of.
>
> also, let me clarify something here. the movie examples i gave
> above are completely irrelevant to the wish i expressed that
> films be more oriented towards audio/visual experiences.
>
>
> >You'd like to see effects with no story?
>
> no. not really. effects kinda bore me. at least after one or two
> runs through them. unlike music or paintings, "effects" tend to
> become obsolete either quickly or over time.
I agree. When I went to see "The Matrix," though I was fascinated by the
storyline, the effects began to get in the way. By the end of the movie I
felt bombarded and bruised. Perhaps that was the intent, but it didn't fit
the story to my way of thinking.
>
>
> >Paintings and music oft times tell a story.
>
> true. and i enjoy and delight in much created in that manner.
>
> but story often has a limiting effect on a film. even timeless stories.
> stories tend to be political in some way or another. stories tend
> to... well... tell a story. whereas music, for example, can act as
> an emotional or intellectual tool... one that the listener uses rather
> than simply listens to or hears.
A tool? As in putting on a particular type of music to change what one might
be feeling? Ah, yes, and listening to classical music while studying. That
has been proven to be beneficial to retaining material, yes? Or did that
only work with math and tests? I can't recall.
>
>
> >Perhaps a different story for each individual that experiences
> >them, but a story none the less.
>
> yeah... well... depending on the composition, the story can be
> either extremely tight or generously loose as far as possible
> interpretations go. the looser a composition is (either musically,
> lyrically, photographically or painting-wise) the more freedom and
> imagination the observer/interacter has.
>
> of course, some observers just use carte blanche anyway <g>
And might you be one of these? <g>
Yes, when described this way, I would. Wasn't something along this line
attempted with Disney's "Fantasia?" I didn't particularly care for it,
though.
>
> sure, my example is extreme, but i was just trying to illustrate
> in words just how limiting words are. and how limiting story is.
> not an easy task (using words).
>
>
> >Even a still life of fruit can stir a story in the imagination.
>
> i'll bet. <g>
<eyebrow raised> What story were you thinking of?
>
> but it can also be storyless. it can be there in and of itself.
> its own beauty. its own atmosphere. no plot. no agenda.
>
>
> >Not often, I grant you, but possible. It depends on what visual
> >cues the artist may choose to include in the painting.
>
> yep. of course. and if we look at art expecting a story,
> we'll probably get one. regardless of whether or not the artist
> "wrote" one. i think many people who don't seem to be able to
> appreciate tons of art are missing that whole "experience" thing.
>
> that "here it is" thing.
>
> they want a story. and if there aren't enough devices that
> they can can use to make a story, they simply consider
> the art a piece of useless crap.
>
>
> >Stories are an integral part of the human experience.
>
> well... so is the "here it is" dynamic of life. though most
> people miss it because they have become story-junkies.
Exactly. I'm a story junky, definitely. So caught up in the story of my own
life, that I realize I often miss out on the simple experiences that I am
given.
>
>
> >I don't believe that you are suggesting here that stories are
> >unimportant,
>
> no. i'm not. i love stories. i'm addicted to them as well.
> i'm just saying that they're not absolutely necessary...
> and that often, stories are quite distracting.
>
> "consider the lillies of the field."
"They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his
splendor was dressed like one of these."
>
>
> >but I find the idea of having an audio/visual experience unrelated
> >to a story (be it real life or fiction) intriguing, and I wonder just
> >how possible that is.
>
> me too. i've made quite a few films along those lines.
> quite dramatic footage (though, i often tend to use
> characters and story as a crutch in these films... because
> they're so familar to me). i used to record obscure music off
> the radio and then make films to fit the "moods..."
>
> interesting stuff. and not just to me.
>
>
> and i could use the same footage with different music
> and it would change everything. and vice versa.
Are you still doing this? Filming and experimenting?
>
>
> >Or, if possible, would it be fulfilling or meaningful in any way?
>
> i think so. just in a different way. usually, a non-intrusive way.
Non-intrusive? In this day and age?
>
>
> >Perhaps I'm not capable of letting go of concepts and just
> >experiencing something purely for the effect it may have on
> >me.
>
> i'm sure you are capable,
You're sure? Thanks for the vote of confidence. <g>
but you probably have to practice not
> focusing your consciousness on looking for "the profit margin."
> not an easy thing to do these days.
<sigh> All too true.
>
> we are so detached from reality, and we don't even know it.
> in fact, we are _certain_ that just the opposite is true.
We?
>
>
> >A framework of some kind, a concept, a story all seem
> >imperative to understanding the experience.
>
> specifically, perhaps. though i must say that i believe that
> my interpretations of certain artistic endeavors are probably
> very close to other people's. emotion transcends. spirit too.
Emotion can be highly overrated. Just like words. Words are definitely
overrated. [These thoughts brought to you by "Cynics Are Us"]
>
> OTOH, i love seeing other people's interpretations of music
> when it's differnet than mine. that's just as fascinating.
>
> for instance, beethoven's 9th has been used in many films and
> each has given it a new voice. i imagine it must mean something
> completely different to people who understand the language
> used in the piece during that whole vocal section. personally,
> i don't have a clue what they're saying... i never pay it any
> conscious mind. i just love the intensity of the music.
I haven't listened to Beethoven's 9th in years. The last time I did, it left
me feeling very uncomfortable.
>
> it might be fun to project what the lyrics actually are.
>
> and screw MTV. what a waste of opportunity. although
> there are rare exceptions, for the most part, music videos
> are barren. (not to mention most of the music).
Never have watched MTV, nor seen many music videos. What I have seen never
impressed me much.
>
> for instance, filming guitar fingering or concert footage
> is about as boring as physically possible. what a shame.
> i'd love to see some talented directors do various versions
> of various music... just to compare them.
>
> there's so much material out there for this genre, it's mind-boggling.
>
> i'd sure be willing to fork out the ticket price to see such films.
> it would be so refreshing if this were part of the mainstream
> of film-making.
Well, creative genius <g>, what's stopping you from doing your part to "make
it so"? You seem to have the ideas and the know-how. No, don't tell me.
You're just like the rest of us. Too many irons in the fire and a living to
make.
<sigh> And thus turns this sad, sad world. Trapped within our own stories.
Too busy for the experience.
Shadow Image
title of the movie I spoke of.
Blanche Nonken
> "Matewan" was a very low budget film, and is a fine example of how much
> can be done when more attention is paid to writing, acting and setting
> than special effects.
Yep, that's Sayles for you.
Keltic
<briarh...@yall.com> wrote:
>"Matewan" was a very low budget film, and is a fine example of how much
>can be done when more attention is paid to writing, acting and setting
>than special effects. Another "little" film few people have seen that's
>worth watching is "Pharaoh's Army," which takes its story from an
>anecdote set in our unCivil War and cited by Harry Caudill in NIGHT
>COMES TO THE CUMBERLANDS, the definitive history of Appalachia.
Yeah, I liked it a lot myself. There were a lot of moments that were
pure gold - the old woman giving the Italian woman rabbits after her
son was killed because the Italians needed them more than she did...
Sid standing up to the company goons when they were attempting to
repossess everything... the boy giving his sermon about Joseph to get
the message out...
>I've likely said more than you wanted here, but need to mention THUNDER
>IN THE MOUNTAINS, by Lon Savage, primary source material for "Matewan."
>It contains a number of illustrations which make clear the "look" of the
>film was quite accurate, and Amazon.com has it as a special order for
>about fifteen dollars US.
I'll see if I can track that down over here, because we get grievously
assaulted on exchange at the moment, although it's better than it was.
>Sorry for running on. I can talk about Appalachia the way blue haired
>grannies can talk about their kids' kids: for hours.
That's fine. I like history a great deal, it's just the history of
presidents and kings that bores me - I like to hear about the history
of washerwomen and miners and other average bods. One of my
longer-term projects is putting a history together of a former
shale-oil mining town outside of Sydney called Newnes, which is also
one of my favourite camping spots. Heaps of industrial ruins and a
great place to ruminate.
Thanks for the information, I'll be making this post "keep" :)
Cheers, Keltic
Marg Petersen
Shadow Image <shado...@usa.net> wrote:
>Thanks to Ejucaided Redneck and Marg Petersen for supplying the missing
>title of the movie I spoke of.
You're entirely welcome. :-) I am a movie buff from way back.
Taralyse
>he deliberately left her behind so that he could have a fling w/ another
>woman?
I remember that part, but I don't remember if I actually cried or not. My
husband and I usually start looking at each other funny, and I feel a slight
lump in my throat as I notice a shine in his eyes, and then we start fake
"bawling" into a pillow (being careful to wipe our eyes dry while our faces are
covered), so we can pretend we weren't touched.
All sad movie parts usually involve kids. If I see a kid, I leave the room.
Yep, I'm a wimp.
jentaraxena
The Chocolate Lady
News Flash, mombl...@bigfoot.com (Blanche Nonken) reported:
>
>If we want to shift this to books, I nominate "Ancient of Days."
>One of the saddest, most heart-breaking books I've ever read.
If we are switching to books, there's only one for me so far - "A
Prayer for Owen Meany".
The Chocolate Lady
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The Chocolate Lady
News Flash, Epitome <epi...@chickmail.com> reported:
>On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:01:36 -0400, "RMontanari"
><aut...@richardmontanari.com> was all like...
>
>>This sounds like "Resurrection" with Ellen Burstyn.
>
>YES! That is it. Thank you. :)
Gee, and here I thought it was a sleeper that only wierd people like
me had seen and loved.
(One of the few that I can remember the name of.)
The Chocolate Lady
News Flash, mag...@forest.gen.nz (Maggie Forest) reported:
>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
Now this is an easy one.
"Who will love my children?"
(There are more, but this one is always the one that springs to mind
first.)
The Chocolate Lady
News Flash, scott@nyetspam_stonebug.net (Scott Elyard) reported:
>Pinnochio.
You know, there are very few old classic Disney anamated films that
*don't* make me cry. The newer ones just don't come close.
(Over the holiday our television showed "Lassie, Come Home". Whooh
boy! Try to watch that one without a full box of tissues next to
you!)
The Chocolate Lady
News Flash, Smokey <jensm...@hotmail.com> reported:
>Wolf Lahti wrote:
>> Ellen asked
>> >So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>> but what immediately came to mind as I read the question was
>> _Lady and the Tramp_.
>> That meatball-sharing scene is simply, lovingly devestating.
>Oh I had forgotten about that one!
>Another excellent movie.
FORGOTTEN?!?!?!?!?! Why, I've got it in my collection of videos. The
kids watched it over the holiday. I left the house. After they
razzed me for crying over "Lassie", I couldn't let them see what would
happen to their mother during this one. They have, however, gotten
used to my bawling at Snow White, Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty.
(etc.)
Blanche Nonken
> On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:55:25 -0400 during the misc.writing Community
> News Flash, Smokey <jensm...@hotmail.com> reported:
> >Wolf Lahti wrote:
> >> Ellen asked
> >> >So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
> >> Most any well-filmed movie will evoke teary moments for me,
> >> but what immediately came to mind as I read the question was
> >> _Lady and the Tramp_.
> >> That meatball-sharing scene is simply, lovingly devestating.
> >Oh I had forgotten about that one!
> >Another excellent movie.
>
> FORGOTTEN?!?!?!?!?! Why, I've got it in my collection of videos. The
> kids watched it over the holiday. I left the house. After they
> razzed me for crying over "Lassie", I couldn't let them see what would
> happen to their mother during this one. They have, however, gotten
> used to my bawling at Snow White, Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty.
Oh, Davida darling? Do your children have a small kid's book
called "Love You Forever"?
<evil grin>
Maybe I should send you a copy, so you could read it to your
kids.
Ari Nordstrom
wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:13:12 GMT, ari....@mbox304.swipnet.se (Ari
>Nordstrom) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:43:58 GMT, kel...@SPAM.zip.com.au (Keltic)
>>wrote:
>>>The last few minutes of Backdraft
>>But the ending isn't THAT bad.
>
>Heh... as one that spent several years in rescue, it always brings
>tears. Not to mention the fact that I'm a softie when it comes to
>films.
>
>Cheers, Keltic
Yeah, I like Backdraft too.
But just about the only film that got me close to tears was
"Schindler's List". It didn't succeed but it came close.
/Ari
Lorrill Buyens
Detective "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> looked the murderer straight in
the eye and hissed:
>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>
>For a long time, it was "Heartburn" for me. The first time I watched it, I
>was living the story in real life. Every time after that, I relived it.
>
>A few months ago I saw a movie called "Ponette" (I may be spelling that
>incorrectly) in French with subtitles. It's about a little girl who is
>confused and trying to come to terms with her mother's sudden death. It
>broke my heart over and over and over.
The courtroom soliloquy <sp> in _Fury_, a 40's movie about a guy
unjustly accused of rape and nearly killed when a lynch mob sets
the jail on fire.
The suicide scene at the end of _The Shop on the Square_, a
Czech film about a guy entrusted with the protection of an elderly
Jewish woman.
Although they weren't movies, I cried the first time I heard the
libretto of _Sweeney Todd_, and wept unashamedly at the end
of a local production of _Camelot_.
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Lorrill Buyens
Detective ang...@ihug.co.nz (Alma Hromic) looked the murderer
straight in the eye and hissed:
>On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 04:58:17 GMT, mag...@forest.gen.nz (Maggie Forest)
>wrote:
>>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>>So, what movie will make you cry, no matter how many times you've seen it?
>>
>>Referring to my answer to Wendy's first poll: 'Gallipoli'
>>
>yes, indeed. that, and a couple of other ones, too. "gettysburg"
>destroyed me i sobbed my way through that to an unprecedented degree.
>a welsh movie called "hedd wyn" about a bard who dies in WW I had
>exactly the same effect.
>
> funny how films about war's futility do that to me, in fact.
There's a lovely one called _Broken Lullaby_, about a Frenchman who
feels so guilty about the German soldier he killed during WW I that he
visits the victim's family.
>the other theme is animals and any kind of cruelty to them. i cried
>from sheer RAGE in "gorrilas in the mist".
I broke into tears during the scene in _Ben_ where they were killing
rats left and right. My mother just couldn't understand the fact that
I was crying over rodents...
Lorrill Buyens
Detective amk*@interport.net* (Andy Katz) looked the murderer straight
in the eye and hissed:
>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:43:43 -0400, "Ellen" <ecr...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>A few months ago I saw a movie called "Ponette" (I may be spelling that
>>incorrectly) in French with subtitles. It's about a little girl who is
>>confused and trying to come to terms with her mother's sudden death. It
>>broke my heart over and over and over.
>
>This reminds me of another French movie, the of which escapes me
>(something about playgrounds, or children at play), during the opening
>days of the Battle of France, a girl and her parents are fleeing along
>a road filled with refugees; they are strafed and the parents killed.
>The child wanders about, lost and still clutching her puppy. A grown
>up grabs the puppy, "This dog is dead," she says, and casually tosses
>it off the bridge.
>
>That was sad.
>
>(Nearly as sad as not remembering the title).
There's a Japanese anime called _Grave of the Fireflies_, about
this kid and his sister who were orphaned in the bombing of their
city and went to live with an aunt who hated them `cause they were
extra mouths to feed. They left the aunt and went to live in a cave,
and the sister died of dysentery `cause they didn't have any money
for a doctor. An undisclosed number of years after her cremation,
the brother died in a subway station. They searched the body and
threw the little candy tin containing the sister's ashes out into the
street.
>Andy Katz
>
>Ps: I don't want to start a new thread, but the saddest literary
>passage I can think of is in Winnie the Pooh (or is it House at Pooh
>Corner) at the end when Christopher Robin haltingly explains to Pooh
>that "they don't just let you do nothing" and asks if Pooh will still
>visit their old haunts ... powerful stuff--time gives and takes away.
The story about the swans in Roald Dahl's _The Wonderful Story of
Henry Sugar and Six More_; where this gang of bullies waylays a kid in
the woods, cuts the wings off the swan whose death he'd been grieving
over, and fastens them to his back (for now-forgotten reasons).
Prince Richard Kaminski
Lorrill Buyens wrote:
> I broke into tears during the scene in _Ben_ where they were killing
> rats left and right. My mother just couldn't understand the fact that
> I was crying over rodents...
Aaah, a beautiful film! This was the movie Michael Jackson's "Ben" was written
for, and yes, it really is about a rat. Also worth a watch is the predecessor of
this movie, called "Willard".