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Anja Müller  
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 More options Jun 7 2001, 10:25 am
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: Anja Müller <nos...@newsranger.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:24:55 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2001 10:24 am
Subject: Is this Plagiarism?

I was surfing around when I found a site whose pages where,
either verbatim off a book I read, or phrases mixed with
the owners thoughts. (no, no distinguishing quotes, etc.)

As an (amateur) writer I immediately thought "Plagiarism!",
so I wrote the owner an e-mail, asking (politely) if she
had permission to put that stuff on the web and if there
was a mention of who the true author is on her website.

She wrote back, saying that, yes, there are a lot of quotes
of that particular author in her pages and yes, there is
a mention.

So I went back to the site and searched carefully, till I finally
found a mention, in very small print.
("The quotes and inspiration were taken from (authors name)")

So she doesn´t feel  it´s plagiarism, since she did put that
mention in. But as the reader, you couldn´t tell which were her
thoughts and which were quotes, and basically, the whole website
is one big quote.

I thought you could only quote for a review and then only brief
passages.
Now I´m confused. :(

So, what do you think?

Anja


 
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Skip Press  
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 More options Jun 7 2001, 11:02 am
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From: Skip Press <skip_pr...@excite.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:02:53 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2001 11:02 am
Subject: Re: Is this Plagiarism?
I think you should send the Web police to her house right now!

In article <X8MT6.2308$bA3.112...@www.newsranger.com>,
 Anja Müller <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:

--

Who by the pen has taught mankind
Things they knew not (being blind).

-- Muhammad, The Koran

All the best,

Skip Press, the Duke of URL
Hollywood and Somewhat Important News at
http://home.earthlink.net/~skippress/wsnBDFB.html


 
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David M. Harris  
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 More options Jun 7 2001, 11:09 am
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From: " David M. Harris" <coldFAKEspr...@earthADDRESSlink.net>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:09:07 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2001 11:09 am
Subject: Re: Is this Plagiarism?

If she used substantial text from another person without permission,
it's not necessarily plagiarism, but it is a copyright violation.  Just
crediting the author is not enough; you need the author's permission.

dmh
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JAH  
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 More options Jun 7 2001, 3:48 pm
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From: anotherwri...@hotmail.com (JAH)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:53:27 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2001 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: Is this Plagiarism?
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:02:53 GMT, Skip Press <skip_pr...@excite.com>
wrote:

>I think you should send the Web police to her house right now!

>In article <X8MT6.2308$bA3.112...@www.newsranger.com>,
> Anja Müller <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:

>>I was surfing around when I found a site whose pages where,
>>either verbatim off a book I read, or phrases mixed with
>>the owners thoughts. (no, no distinguishing quotes, etc.)

Or the Cyber Sheriff. Where is he?

JAH

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http://www.jahitchcock.com/cyberstalked


 
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Tetractys  
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 More options Jun 7 2001, 3:54 pm
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From: "Tetractys" <tetrac...@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:53:49 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2001 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: Is this Plagiarism?

JAH wrote:
> Or the Cyber Sheriff. Where is he?

Still working on that old CP/M reverse
engineering case up in Redmond.

 
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Casey  
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 More options Jun 7 2001, 4:08 pm
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From: "Casey" <writ...@gte.net>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:08:06 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2001 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: Is this Plagiarism?

"Anja Müller" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message

news:X8MT6.2308$bA3.112572@www.newsranger.com...

"I was surfing around," Anja said in her email, "when I found a site..."
        This is a form of attribution that leaves no doubt who authored it.
If I were to say "As the reader, you couldn't tell which were her
thoughts...," then the line becomes gray even though it is quoted. Lots of
writers mistakenly use "orphan quotes" with the mistaken intention of
emphasizing the words.
        Attribution belongs directly with the quoted material. Now, even
with attribution, the main message of the text must come from the writer.
Disregarding fictional dialog, quotations can be used to add credibility
from an expert to ones own statements, to strengthen a point made, or to
show the position of someone else.
        You imply knowledge of the author of the purloined stuff. Send him
an email and point him at the URL.  You'll be doing him a favor.
--
Regards,

Casey
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Freelance Writer and Photographer
[remove the ''x'' to send email]


 
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Anja Müller  
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 More options Jun 8 2001, 3:30 am
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From: Anja Müller <nos...@newsranger.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:29:37 GMT
Local: Fri, Jun 8 2001 3:29 am
Subject: Re: Is this Plagiarism?

Casey

thanks for taking the time to explain this to me. I´m not interested
in policing anybody, much less on the net!

There were no "quotation marks"  or an attribution right under the quoted
material.

I just wanted to know if this was ok.

Thanks again,
Anja

In article <GaRT6.987$ep3.168...@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>, Casey says...


 
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