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Chris McLaughlin

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Feb 12, 2002, 5:42:51 PM2/12/02
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"Keep your eye on your inner world and keep away from ads, idiots, and movie stars."

-Dorothea Tanning, surrealist

______

Chris.tine

Rob

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Feb 12, 2002, 8:33:37 PM2/12/02
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"There are too many happy clouds in the fucking sky."

-Bob Ross

___________
Rob


Bob Pastorio

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Feb 12, 2002, 9:35:16 PM2/12/02
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Rob wrote:
>
> "There are too many happy clouds in the fucking sky."
>
> -Bob Ross

Now, *that's* funny...

--
Bob Pastorio
http://www.pastorio.com

Bob Pastorio

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Feb 12, 2002, 9:39:26 PM2/12/02
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Chris McLaughlin wrote:
>
> "Keep your eye on your inner world and keep away from ads, idiots, and movie stars."
>
> -Dorothea Tanning, surrealist

"Don't forget your sunscreen."

- Tanning Booth, suntanist

Kevin Larsen

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Feb 12, 2002, 10:25:57 PM2/12/02
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> "Keep your eye on your inner world and keep away from ads, idiots, and
> movie stars."

Following that advice you might have "artistic integrity", but boy-oh-boy,
you are not going to make any money... :-)
--

Kevin Larsen
Batavia, NY, USA
kevl...@att.net


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Scott OQ Elyard

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Feb 12, 2002, 10:36:29 PM2/12/02
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cmcl...@mcw.edu (Chris McLaughlin) wrote in message news:<1ff54e91.0202...@posting.google.com>...

> "Keep your eye on your inner world and keep away from ads, idiots, and movie stars."
>
> -Dorothea Tanning, surrealist


"And stay away from boogerheads and cars coming towards you."

-Scott Elyard, corollorist

Blanche Nonken

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Feb 13, 2002, 8:56:48 AM2/13/02
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"Don't forget to put on a sweater. It's chilly out there."

-Blanche Nonken, mom

PJ

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Feb 13, 2002, 9:32:51 AM2/13/02
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"Chris McLaughlin" <cmcl...@mcw.edu> wrote

: "Keep your eye on your inner world and keep away from ads,


: idiots, and movie stars."
:
: -Dorothea Tanning, surrealist

"I maybe could give up cigarettes or alcohol, but they'll take away my
coffee when they pry my cold, dead fingers from the cup."

PJ Parks, writer and caffeine addict


PJ

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Feb 13, 2002, 9:33:52 AM2/13/02
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"Chris McLaughlin" <cmcl...@mcw.edu> wrote

: "Keep your eye on your inner world and keep away from ads,


: idiots, and movie stars."
:
: -Dorothea Tanning, surrealist

"I maybe could give up cigarettes or alcohol, but they'll take away my

Archer070

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Feb 13, 2002, 8:26:58 PM2/13/02
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"Here's me 'hard' at work in my studio."

R. Crumb, Cartoonist

(Illustration omitted)


PCWriter

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Feb 14, 2002, 2:07:14 AM2/14/02
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"Chris McLaughlin" <cmcl...@mcw.edu> wrote in message
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Yo, Ruler-Queen ... are all writers considered artists? I realize writing is
an art, but I feel it also squiggles into bed with the sciences as well.

Tom (who is hard at work writing that _next_ column due last week).

PS - Hey nancy, had a reader tell me how to cheat at 3-card-draw solitaire
... think of that!


Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady

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Feb 14, 2002, 3:12:21 AM2/14/02
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Blanche Nonken <bla...@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<p3sk6ustukki7rnqe...@4ax.com>...

"Yeah? And if their parents let them jump off the roof, would you
want to jump off the roof, too?"

- Davida Chazan, another mom

j-p.s

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:56:48 -0500, Blanche Nonken composed:
) "Don't forget to put on a sweater. It's chilly out there."
)
) -Blanche Nonken, mom

"Where's my keys?"
-- me.

J-P
--
Angst angst angst swear curse swear crazy crazy angst swear curse,
society sucks, and I'm a stupid jerk

Blanche Nonken

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Feb 14, 2002, 9:02:58 AM2/14/02
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"But Mooom, I *knew* how to jump off the roof! It's not my fault Gary
Rothman didn't and broke his ankle!"

-Dave Wattenberg, Blanche's older brother

Jenna Thomas-McKie

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Feb 14, 2002, 10:41:36 AM2/14/02
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Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady wrote:

> Blanche Nonken <bla...@newsguy.com> wrote:

> > stonebu...@yahoo.com (Scott OQ Elyard) wrote:

> > > cmcl...@mcw.edu (Chris McLaughlin) wrote :

> > > > "Keep your eye on your inner world and keep away from ads, idiots, and movie stars."
> > > >
> > > > -Dorothea Tanning, surrealist

> > > "And stay away from boogerheads and cars coming towards you."
> > >
> > > -Scott Elyard, corollorist

> > "Don't forget to put on a sweater. It's chilly out there."
> >
> > -Blanche Nonken, mom

> "Yeah? And if their parents let them jump off the roof, would you
> want to jump off the roof, too?"
>
> - Davida Chazan, another mom

"NO! Stop it! Put that down! Honey, why did you leave that out where
he could get it?!? I said, 'NO!'"

- Jenna Thomas-McKie, mom of a toddler

--
Jenna Thomas-McKie
jth...@aug.edu

"We can think. We can reason. We can be better than we are."
- C. Eric Lincoln

Lorrill Buyens

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Feb 14, 2002, 7:22:26 PM2/14/02
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"What're we gonna do tonight, Brain?" "The same thing Blanche Nonken
<bla...@newsguy.com> did in misc.writing on Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:56:48
-0500, Pinky:"

"I let my mind wander and it never came back."

- Lorrill Buyens, loony

--
"I just figured it was quantum mechanics, and actually watching
the fireplace collapses the probability waveform and he turns
out to be somewhere else."
- Charles Lieberman, discussing the physics of Xmas in AFU

Keltic

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Feb 15, 2002, 1:02:31 AM2/15/02
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On 14 Feb 2002 01:26:58 GMT, arch...@aol.com (Archer070) wrote:

>"Here's me 'hard' at work in my studio."
> R. Crumb, Cartoonist

Crumb was a strange man. Coming from me, that's a powerful statement.

Cheers, Keltic

Check out my movie reviews at:
http://comments.imdb.com/CommentsAuthor?104469

Chris McLaughlin

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Feb 15, 2002, 9:33:01 AM2/15/02
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"PCWriter" <pcwr...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> > "Keep your eye on your inner world and keep away from ads, idiots, and
> movie stars."
> >
> > -Dorothea Tanning, surrealist
>

> Yo, Ruler-Queen ... are all writers considered artists? I realize writing is
> an art, but I feel it also squiggles into bed with the sciences as well.

Whoa! I've heard writing called a lot of things, but never a science!

You're a technical writer, and that school comes out of the field of
rhetoric, which pays attention to both the art of discourse and the
rules of composition.

But I bet you struggle to get a phrase right, to select the best word
or example, and I know you play with ideas and even let an image in
now and then!

It's the old fine art vs. craft argument. The boundaries blur. Tanning
celebrates the role of imagination: In my opinion, tech writing would
sometimes be improved by letting a little of that devil into the
details.

Chris.tine (and get back to work now.)

Blanche Nonken

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Feb 15, 2002, 9:10:23 AM2/15/02
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Keltic <kel...@SPAM.zip.com.au> wrote:

> On 14 Feb 2002 01:26:58 GMT, arch...@aol.com (Archer070) wrote:
>
> >"Here's me 'hard' at work in my studio."
> > R. Crumb, Cartoonist
>
> Crumb was a strange man. Coming from me, that's a powerful statement.

At least he survived being strange. Vaugn Bode', he didn't.

Dick Harper

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Feb 15, 2002, 10:35:12 AM2/15/02
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PCWriter eloquently commented in misc.writing

> PS - Hey nancy, had a reader tell me how to cheat at 3-card-draw solitaire
> ... think of that!

Ctrl+Alt+Shift

--Dick

Dick Harper

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Feb 15, 2002, 10:35:12 AM2/15/02
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Scott OQ Elyard eloquently commented in misc.writing

> "And stay away from boogerheads and cars coming towards you."
>
> -Scott Elyard, corollorist

Scott has a Corolla?

--Dick


Keltic

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Feb 15, 2002, 3:05:55 PM2/15/02
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:10:23 -0500, Blanche Nonken
<bla...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>At least he survived being strange. Vaugn Bode', he didn't.

Hmm...not ringing any bells... I'll do some web scrambling.

Terminal weirdness is common enough though, certainly in the creative
arts.

Cheers, keltic

TaniO

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Feb 15, 2002, 4:07:39 PM2/15/02
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 1:02:31 -0500, Keltic wrote
(in message <of8p6ukmi0r95drt5...@4ax.com>):

> On 14 Feb 2002 01:26:58 GMT, arch...@aol.com (Archer070) wrote:
>
>> "Here's me 'hard' at work in my studio."
>> R. Crumb, Cartoonist
>
> Crumb was a strange man. Coming from me, that's a powerful statement.

Isn't he still a strange man?
He_is_ alive?

TaniO

Scott OQ Elyard

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Feb 15, 2002, 4:43:43 PM2/15/02
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Whoops. Shoulda typed "corollarist" up there. Although that could
_still_ be confused with Corolla.

With luck, in a few months I could very well be a proud Tacomist,
though.

PCWriter

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Feb 15, 2002, 4:52:11 PM2/15/02
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"Chris McLaughlin" <cmcl...@mcw.edu> wrote in message
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> "PCWriter" <pcwr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Keep your eye on your inner world and keep away from ads, idiots, and
> > movie stars."
> > >
> > > -Dorothea Tanning, surrealist
> >
> > Yo, Ruler-Queen ... are all writers considered artists? I realize
writing is
> > an art, but I feel it also squiggles into bed with the sciences as well.
>
> Whoa! I've heard writing called a lot of things, but never a science!
>
> You're a technical writer, and that school comes out of the field of
> rhetoric, which pays attention to both the art of discourse and the
> rules of composition.
>
> But I bet you struggle to get a phrase right, to select the best word
> or example, and I know you play with ideas and even let an image in
> now and then!

Gosh, I struggle to get a sentence right. I try to cram three ideas into one
sentence. Wife comes along and _again_ tells me to make three sentences out
of the one. As to images, I try to avoid them when giving instuction so as
not to distract the reader.


>
> It's the old fine art vs. craft argument. The boundaries blur. Tanning
> celebrates the role of imagination: In my opinion, tech writing would
> sometimes be improved by letting a little of that devil into the
> details.

So it comes down to the fact that I am using an art to explain/describe a
science? So that means I am both a Scientist and Artist? Wow! Head rush...

>
> Chris.tine (and get back to work now.)

Tom (I'm an adult, you can stop waiving that gold-plated ruler over my
head --- ouch!)

PCWriter

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Feb 15, 2002, 4:54:54 PM2/15/02
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"Dick Harper" <Internation...@NorthPuffinSpamCatcher.com> wrote in
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How well-known is that cheat? I was going to include it in my column, giving
the reader credit for bringing it to my attention. Maybe I ought to do a
search on google using keywords 'solitaire' and 'cheat' to see if it has
been published before. And if so, then who do I give the credit to? Almost
tempted to drop it...

Tom

Blanche Nonken

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Feb 15, 2002, 4:36:34 PM2/15/02
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Keltic <kel...@SPAM.zip.com.au> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:10:23 -0500, Blanche Nonken
> <bla...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >At least he survived being strange. Vaugn Bode', he didn't.
>
> Hmm...not ringing any bells... I'll do some web scrambling.

An artist with a style along the same lines as Crumb; only cuter I
think. Look for the character "Cheech Wizard." Really cute stuff -
really bizarre way to die.

Bob Pastorio

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Feb 15, 2002, 9:27:08 PM2/15/02
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Keltic wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:10:23 -0500, Blanche Nonken
> <bla...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >At least he survived being strange. Vaugn Bode', he didn't.
>
> Hmm...not ringing any bells... I'll do some web scrambling.

Look for Cheech Wizard. A truly amazing strip.

Bob Pastorio

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Feb 15, 2002, 9:27:36 PM2/15/02
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TaniO wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 1:02:31 -0500, Keltic wrote
> (in message <of8p6ukmi0r95drt5...@4ax.com>):
>
> > On 14 Feb 2002 01:26:58 GMT, arch...@aol.com (Archer070) wrote:
> >
> >> "Here's me 'hard' at work in my studio."
> >> R. Crumb, Cartoonist
> >
> > Crumb was a strange man. Coming from me, that's a powerful statement.
>
> Isn't he still a strange man?
> He_is_ alive?

Yes. He is alive. And strange.

Hippolyte Lizard

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Feb 16, 2002, 12:03:00 AM2/16/02
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Woah. That was a blast from the past. How is it that images and
experiences can become completely buried under decades of experiential
asphalt, and then upon a single word the colors and airs of being
seventeen years old spring out and aare hardly dusty at all? When was
this guy? I'm guessing about seventeen. Maybe I was older.

And ... what happened?

Blanche Nonken

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Feb 16, 2002, 9:45:03 AM2/16/02
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Hippolyte Lizard <euphonius...@iname.com> wrote:

> And ... what happened?

I believe he died of autoerotic strangulation.

Dick Harper

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Feb 16, 2002, 12:30:44 PM2/16/02
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PCWriter eloquently commented in misc.writing

> How well-known is that cheat? I was going to include it in my column, giving


> the reader credit for bringing it to my attention. Maybe I ought to do a
> search on google using keywords 'solitaire' and 'cheat' to see if it has
> been published before. And if so, then who do I give the credit to? Almost
> tempted to drop it...

Do you know what the most used productivity software is in
America? Solitaire.
It's amazing. You spend a grand or so for a computer (more if
you buy a network), buy a bunch of software, and bombard yourself
with gamma rays, all to do something you can do on the kitchen
table with a fifty cent deck of cards.
Here's a column: How common is cheating at computer games in
general? I "discovered" modern computer games with Wolfenstein 3D
and shortly thereafter discovered untold numbers of epistles chock
full of Wolfie cheat codes. I've always presumed the game
developers ate Raisinettes. (For the clueless, Goobers and
Raisinettes are candy joined at the hip; goobers is the decoding
parameter for Wolfie.) The most famous Doom code is "W-A-R-P"
although the most useful is iddqd.

--Dick


Keltic

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Feb 16, 2002, 5:11:05 PM2/16/02
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As popularised by Michael Hutchence?

Blanche Nonken

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Feb 16, 2002, 8:56:21 PM2/16/02
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Keltic <kel...@SPAM.zip.com.au> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:45:03 -0500, Blanche Nonken
> <bla...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >Hippolyte Lizard <euphonius...@iname.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And ... what happened?
> >
> >I believe he died of autoerotic strangulation.
>
> As popularised by Michael Hutchence?

I thought his was outright suicide. Was there something you guys knew
that we over here in the US didn't get told? Something I heard was
along the lines of his obsession over Bob Geldoff's girl or something.

Keltic

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Feb 17, 2002, 1:03:32 AM2/17/02
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:56:21 -0500, Blanche Nonken
<bla...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>I thought his was outright suicide. Was there something you guys knew
>that we over here in the US didn't get told? Something I heard was
>along the lines of his obsession over Bob Geldoff's girl or something.

Nah... just having a relaxing five-knuckle shuffle while suspended by
a piece of rope. Don't recall what the coroner's verdict was, though.

Cheers, Keltic

Alan Hope

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Feb 17, 2002, 8:08:47 AM2/17/02
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Coming up next, your comments and questions on issues discussed in the
programme, like this one from Keltic, calling from misc.writing:

>On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:56:21 -0500, Blanche Nonken
><bla...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>>I thought his was outright suicide. Was there something you guys knew
>>that we over here in the US didn't get told? Something I heard was
>>along the lines of his obsession over Bob Geldoff's girl or something.

>Nah... just having a relaxing five-knuckle shuffle while suspended by
>a piece of rope. Don't recall what the coroner's verdict was, though.

I seem to remember they reckoned he was depressed because of the hard
time he and Paula were having with Saint Bob, over the custody of Fifi
Trixibelle and Sparkling waterfountain or whatever the second one was
called. And he'd been drinking. And he might have taken in some
controlled substance or other. And he was so far from Paula. All that.

Rumours of autoerotic strangulation were never brought up, as I
recall. Not like the Steven Milligan (a Conservative MP) case, where
it was a bit hard to brush under the carpet, what with the tangerine
in the mouth and the binbag over the head. Oh, and the ladies'
stockings which were all he had on.


--
AH

Blanche Nonken

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Feb 17, 2002, 9:58:07 AM2/17/02
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Keltic <kel...@SPAM.zip.com.au> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:56:21 -0500, Blanche Nonken
> <bla...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >I thought his was outright suicide. Was there something you guys knew
> >that we over here in the US didn't get told? Something I heard was
> >along the lines of his obsession over Bob Geldoff's girl or something.
>
> Nah... just having a relaxing five-knuckle shuffle while suspended by
> a piece of rope. Don't recall what the coroner's verdict was, though.

Ah. It's sensationalistic, not the kind of thing they'd talk about on
the radio. "Suicide" is what all the public media outlets were saying.

Kevin Larsen

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Feb 17, 2002, 1:18:37 PM2/17/02
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What does Wolfenstein cheat codes have to do with anything? (let alone
"advice to artists")

(weirdo.) :-)

Kevin

--

Kevin Larsen
Batavia, NY, USA
kevl...@att.net


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Dick Harper

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Feb 18, 2002, 3:54:34 PM2/18/02
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Kevin Larsen eloquently commented in misc.writing

> What does Wolfenstein cheat codes have to do with anything? (let alone
> "advice to artists")

[ob Writing] Read the rest of the thread. Tom mentioned to
nancy that a reader had given him the three finger salute for
Solitaire and wondered if it was a common enough cheat not to
mention in his column. I suggested broadening the column.

--Dick

Frank Raymond Michaels

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Feb 18, 2002, 4:10:54 PM2/18/02
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:54:34 GMT,
Internation...@NorthPuffinSpamCatcher.com (Dick Harper)
wrote:

Whoa, back up, here! You guys are giving out Wolfenstein cheat codes?
Is there a "Nazi-wench-in-leather nude code"...?

It's, um, writing-related. Really.
-----
FRM

Alex Jay Berman

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Feb 18, 2002, 6:09:46 PM2/18/02
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If she's in leather, she ain't nude. QED.

And if she's a Nazi, then she's not a wench; she's a bitch.
Just ask Indy.

Alex Jay Berman

Frank Raymond Michaels

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Feb 18, 2002, 8:30:01 PM2/18/02
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:09:46 GMT, smeg...@erols.com (Alex Jay Berman)
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:10:54 GMT, fra...@i-2000.com (Frank Raymond
>Michaels) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:54:34 GMT,
>>Internation...@NorthPuffinSpamCatcher.com (Dick Harper)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Kevin Larsen eloquently commented in misc.writing
>>>
>>>> What does Wolfenstein cheat codes have to do with anything? (let alone
>>>> "advice to artists")
>>>
>>> [ob Writing] Read the rest of the thread. Tom mentioned to
>>>nancy that a reader had given him the three finger salute for
>>>Solitaire and wondered if it was a common enough cheat not to
>>>mention in his column. I suggested broadening the column.
>>
>>Whoa, back up, here! You guys are giving out Wolfenstein cheat codes?
>>Is there a "Nazi-wench-in-leather nude code"...?
>>
>>It's, um, writing-related. Really.
>>-----
>>FRM
>>
>If she's in leather, she ain't nude. QED.

No, no, no -- she *starts* as a Nazi-wench-in-leather -- the nude code
removes the leather and then she's naked. Like the Lara Croft nude mod
for "Tomb Raider" and the George Steinbrenner nude code for
"High Heat Baseball 2002".

>And if she's a Nazi, then she's not a wench; she's a bitch.
>Just ask Indy.

Now you're just being nasty -- what did the Nazis ever do to deserve
such talk?
---------
FRM (Oh, yeah... that's right....)

Steve Pritchard

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Feb 19, 2002, 6:13:48 AM2/19/02
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"Frank Raymond Michaels" <fra...@i-2000.com> wrote in message
news:3c716d8c...@groups.i-2000.com...

> Whoa, back up, here! You guys are giving out Wolfenstein cheat codes?
> Is there a "Nazi-wench-in-leather nude code"...?

There doesn't need to be. The end Nazi woman wears nothing but a dental
floss bikini.


Frank Raymond Michaels

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Feb 19, 2002, 8:37:09 AM2/19/02
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<nosebleed>....
-------
FRM

Dick Harper

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Feb 19, 2002, 10:07:28 PM2/19/02
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Frank Raymond Michaels eloquently commented in misc.writing

> No, no, no -- she *starts* as a Nazi-wench-in-leather -- the nude code
> removes the leather and then she's naked. Like the Lara Croft nude mod
> for "Tomb Raider" and the George Steinbrenner nude code for
> "High Heat Baseball 2002".

Unfortunately, when she loses her clothes she also gains
goober-power that overwhelms your God mode.

Dick (and she looks like Rosa Klebb
Harper (Still want the code?)

Dick Harper

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Feb 20, 2002, 11:22:24 AM2/20/02
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Frank Raymond Michaels eloquently commented in misc.writing

> Steve Pritchard wrote:

> >There doesn't need to be. The end Nazi woman wears nothing but a dental
> >floss bikini.
>
> <nosebleed>....

Ooh, Frank. Rosa Klebb in a thong. How can you resist.

--Dick

Rob Allen

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Feb 20, 2002, 7:57:29 PM2/20/02
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Blanche Nonken <bla...@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<kpvq6uolrk8unnc7u...@4ax.com>...

I saw Bode' at a comics convention in the early 70s. He had long hair
and light blue fingernail polish. This was a few years before
androgyny became chic. He was easily the freakiest person in the room.

Rob <nowadays it's usually me> Allen

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