self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer/artist
Ifishpa
self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer/artist:
over 15 years of genius work
make me an offer or suggestion
Peter Mags
Effortless Productions
Dept 333ADNG6
Lewiston NY 14092-0426
1-800-Something (1-800-766-3844) ask for Dept 333ADNG6
Fax 716-282-9999 Attn: Dept 333ADNG6
Douglas Horn
Ifishpa wrote:
>
> self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer/artist:
>
> over 15 years of genius work
>
> make me an offer or suggestion
I've got a suggestion for you. Keep your ads out of this newsgroup,
genius.
Douglas Horn
bweb...@freenet.vcu.edu
>self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer/artist:
>
>over 15 years of genius work
>
>make me an offer or suggestion
Heh.
Heh-heh-heh...
BWAH-HAH-HAH-hah-hah!
No, I'm going to be a *good* boy. I'm NOT going to take the
cheap shot.
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Dawn C Nakamura
Ifishpa (ifi...@aol.com) wrote:
: self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer/artist:
: over 15 years of genius work
: make me an offer or suggestion
: Peter Mags
: Effortless Productions
: Dept 333ADNG6
: Lewiston NY 14092-0426
: 1-800-Something (1-800-766-3844) ask for Dept 333ADNG6
: Fax 716-282-9999 Attn: Dept 333ADNG6
I have a question. If you're a genius, then why do you need to advertise?
Ifishpa
i choose to "advertise" because
i am a self proclaimed genius
if i were a world renowned genius
i would probably have to hide
my talents are known only to a small group of morons
who are, by definition, unable to appreciate or understand
thank you for your question
if you would like more information
call 1-800-Know-It-All (1-800-566-9482 ask for JDAN15)
David Wasser
In article <4otcu1$5...@freenet.vcu.edu> bweb...@freenet.vcu.edu writes:
>>self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer/artist:
>>
>>over 15 years of genius work
>>
>>make me an offer or suggestion
>
>Heh.
>
>Heh-heh-heh...
>
>BWAH-HAH-HAH-hah-hah!
>
>No, I'm going to be a *good* boy. I'm NOT going to take the
>cheap shot.
Please, Bud, take the cheap shot! The guy's handing you a straight line on a
silver platter. It would be rude not to take it. <evil grin>
Liza
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Hainburg Germany (near Frankfurt, on the banks of the River Main)
"Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable. Let us prepare to
grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all!"
-- Dirk Gently
Ifishpa
he has no cheap shot
he is stunned by my unrepentent arrogance
his cheap shot is nothing more than.... silence
it is the typical response to such lack of humility
we are all so brainwashed to conceal our talents
as though strength=weakness and truth=lies
being at the mercy of morons, i know
in today's vast planetary stripping of individual thoughts
the utter waste of time, energy and liberty
goes way beyond mere tragedy here
it borders on genecide
freedom genecide
so be it, i will not comply, and i urge you to resist as well
YOU HAVE FREE WILL
USE YOUR FREE WILL
(reject the brainwash)
chris mclaughlin
>YOU HAVE FREE WILL
>USE YOUR FREE WILL
I always use my free will: just can't help myself!
Chris
(Okay. Next cheap shot. . .)
Ifishpa
>>YOU HAVE FREE WILL
>>USE YOUR FREE WILL
>I always use my free will: just can't help myself!
confused:
if you just can't help yourself, are you sure it's your free will you're
using?
Jael McHenry
: >>YOU HAVE FREE WILL
: >>USE YOUR FREE WILL
And then Chris M said --
: >I always use my free will: just can't help myself!
Then ifishpa (friend of Milo?) said --
: confused:
: if you just can't help yourself, are you sure it's your free will you're
: using?
If you help yourself to something, it's free. So if she can't help
herself, it's not free, will or no, so you're right.
Or something.
Jael, fan of obfuscation
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I can make a dress out 'a feedbags and I can make a man out 'a you..."
-- Peggy Lee, "I'm a Woman"
Vader, D.
Ifishpa wrote:
>
> self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer/artist:
>
> over 15 years of genius work
>
> make me an offer or suggestion
>
>
> Peter Mags
> Effortless Productions
> Dept 333ADNG6
> Lewiston NY 14092-0426
>
> 1-800-Something (1-800-766-3844) ask for Dept 333ADNG6
> Fax 716-282-9999 Attn: Dept 333ADNG6
write a script for and then film a segment depicting:
You, sticking your own head up your arse.
Roy Blumenthal
>If you help yourself to something, it's free. So if she can't help
>herself, it's not free, will or no, so you're right.
>
>Or something.
Free will sold here. Buy by the kilogram, or take it by the pound. Speecial
prices for the confused.
Blue skies,
Roy
oooO
( ) barefoo...@pixie.co.za | PO Box 1914
\ ( http://www.pix.za/barefoot.press/ | Midrand 1685
\_) Roy Blumenthal, Editor | South Africa
Mike Totty
Ifishpa wrote:
>
> he has no cheap shot
> his cheap shot is nothing more than.... silence
[Snipping the litany]
One of the characteristics of "the brainwashed" is their reliance on
repetition of key phrases or responses to all forms of discourse.
Whenever faced with a situation that is beyond the programmed matrix, the
brainwashed lapse into what many characterize as "chanting the mantra".
Sounds as if ifishpa has been keehauled if you know what I mean.
Mike (praise mary full of...) Totty
Hound of Cullen
: he has no cheap shot
: he is stunned by my unrepentent arrogance
: his cheap shot is nothing more than.... silence
: it is the typical response to such lack of humility
: we are all so brainwashed to conceal our talents
: as though strength=weakness and truth=lies
:
: being at the mercy of morons, i know
:
: in today's vast planetary stripping of individual thoughts
: the utter waste of time, energy and liberty
: goes way beyond mere tragedy here
: it borders on genecide
: freedom genecide
:
: so be it, i will not comply, and i urge you to resist as well
:
: YOU HAVE FREE WILL
: USE YOUR FREE WILL
: (reject the brainwash)
Dear sir/madam:
We regret to inform you that the position you applied for, "Bombastic
Hack," has been filled. We had many applicants with sterling
qualifications leading to an intensive review period. I encourage you to
apply for a similar position in another newsgroup, you certainly have the
arrogance, poor writing skills, and oblique thought processes necessary
for such a position.
If you wish to apprentice with Misc.writingville's Bombastic Hack, please
send an e-mail to Eliot McGucken. Thank you again for your interest.
Very truly yours,
Hound of Cullen
Chairperson, Search for Useless Writers
Misc.Writingville
--
Come home come home dont stay out too late.
Bleached Bones Man may get you n take you far uhcross
thuh waves, then baby, what will I do for love?
-- Suzan-Lori Parks
Ifishpa
Ifishpa wrote:
>
> he has no cheap shot
> he is stunned by my unrepentent arrogance
> his cheap shot is nothing more than.... silence
Mike Totty <to...@earthlink.net> wrote
>>One of the characteristics of "the brainwashed" is their reliance on
>>repetition of key phrases or responses to all forms of discourse.
>>Whenever faced with a situation that is beyond the programmed matrix,
the
>>brainwashed lapse into what many characterize as "chanting the mantra".
the only repitition i can see is that each sentence begins with the letter
'h' and somehow refers to the subject in question and describes various
unrelated aspects of a general thought that this person really had nothing
to say
if there is a mantra, it is as follows:
You Have Free Will
Use Your Free Will
(reject the brainwash)
now, anyone that can get brainwashed by those words, is truly lost and
hopeless,
and probably should subscribe to one of the many brainwashes available,
just to get through the day
a famous quote (from you know who):
"a kingdom, divided against itself, cannot stand"
Ifishpa
Ifishpa wrote:
excellent! but...
awwww.... now you've taken all of the joy of creation out of it for me
instead, may i suggest that you not waste
this brilliant contribution to the world of ideas
and tackle this very intuitive project yourself
your obvious complete lack of negativity is a lesson to us all
be sure to bring along a tripod with an attached note
so when they finally find your rotting carcus
they will not mis-interpret your statement...
NOTE READS: "Hindisght is 20/20"
M T Fish
>ifishpa wrote:
>he has no cheap shot
>he is stunned by my unrepentent arrogance
>his cheap shot is nothing more than.... silence
>we are all so brainwashed to conceal our talents
>as though strength=weakness and truth=lies
So, the strength and truth of Genius forbids you from paying attention to
punctuation, or what? How about a capital letter now and again, Brainiac.
We are not so much irked by your arrogance as by the enormous gulf between
your Perceived Intellect and your Demonstrated Intellect. Please, next
time you wish to inform others of your megawatt brainpower, demonstrate
it - do not yodel about it.
Thank you.
Milo T. Fish
Supergenius
-Milo the Talking Fish,
Grand Rapids, MI USA
-----
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me, rather."
Eeyore: "I like turnin'. 'Specially 'round."
Ifishpa
>YOU HAVE FREE WILL
>USE YOUR FREE WILL
>(reject the brainwash)
chris writes:
>>i always use my free will, i can't help myself
i thought chris was reducing the statement to the ridiculous,
suggesting that one has NO CHOICE but to use one's free will
but alas, this presents yet another lack of the use of free will
a more horrifying one at that
-peter
(a fan of the struggle between semantics & truth,
foe of the seemingly endless brainwashes of mankind,
albeit peculilarly welcomed brainwashes)
Ifishpa
Ifishpa wrote:
>
> self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer/artist:
>
> over 15 years of genius work
>
> make me an offer or suggestion
>
> ZeroE...@aol.com
>
> Peter Mags
> Effortless Productions
> Dept 333ADNG6
> Lewiston NY 14092-0426
>
> 1-800-Something (1-800-766-3844) ask for Dept 333ADNG6
> Fax 716-282-9999 Attn: Dept 333ADNG6
"Vader, D." <de...@star.com> wrote
Here's a suggestion that utilizes all of your self proclaimed talent:
write a script for and then film a segment depicting:
You, sticking your own head up your arse.
self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer/artist replies:
darn you...
you've taken all of the joy of creation out of it for me,
however, i encourage you to pursue your creation
with all the zeal you can muster
from such a fertile mind
surely your contribution to the world of ideas
will improve from such a perspective as you describe
may i suggest you bring along a tripod with a note attached?
so that when they find your film and reaking carcus...
NOTE MAY READ: Hindsight is 20/20
Vader, D.
Bad Day...
Offense...
In No Real Way...
Just That For Fourteen Years Puberty Insists To Stay...
Vader, D.
chris mclaughlin
ifishpa@aol identifies himself as:
:-peter
:(a fan of the struggle between semantics & truth,
:foe of the seemingly endless brainwashes of mankind,
:albeit peculilarly welcomed brainwashes)
Oh, and by the way, we forgot to tell you one of
the doctrines of misc.writing:
Something is only true if it makes you laugh.
Ergo, there is great truth in your words.
Chris
Sandy Fleming
In article <4p3vmo$q...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Ifishpa <ifi...@aol.com>
writes
>he has no cheap shot
[brainwash snipped]
>(reject the brainwash)
Thank you for that enlightening example of your writing Mr Genius.
Which dictionary of pseudo-intellectual cliches do you use?
--
Sandy "Moron" Fleming
chris mclaughlin
Peter honey, I explained the joke to you.
If you can't get the joke, get a life.
Chris
M Barnard
In article <4p7car$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
ifi...@aol.com (Ifishpa) wrote:
>Ifishpa wrote:
[the usual...self-aggrandizing bombast with a side of fries...and could I
have that to go?]
D. Vader wrote...
[a suggestion, as requested, involving inverse-ouroubourization]
Ifishpa wrote:
[a response suggesting a reflection of the above...how do you differentiate
between a creative genius and a mirror]
The difficulty, of course, is that ifishpa posted it twice (that I've seen to
date). I'm glad he's not a self-proclaimed technical genius too.
M
[a copy in e-mail to the self-proclaimed whipping boy of the week]
bar...@io.org - http://www.io.org/~barnard/web/barnard.htm -
"Old wood to burn! Old wine to drink! Old friends to trust!
Old authors to read!" Francis Bacon
ZeroEffort
From: Sandy Fleming <sa...@fleimin.demon.co.uk>
>Which dictionary of pseudo-intellectual cliches do you use?
i usually reference the 4th edition (second printing) of
"The Guide for Explaining Simple Truth
to Undiagnosed Pseudo-Intellectuals"
an amazing book (tabloid size)...
it's typeset entirely in 4 pt times-roman
white letters on white paper
(negative 463 pages in all)
and it floats in the air whenever a moron walks by.
you definitely have free will locked up somehere in there
don't be discouraged
brainwash is a very hard thing to recognize in yourself
it goes against every fiber of your instinct and ego to accept it
(instinct is also a mild but usually harmelss variety of brainwash,
because it wasn't carelessly created by some ego depraved human)
of course, who cares what animals think right?
further complicating this intrinsic denial mechanism is the fact that
most of us are the product of dozens of overlapping brainwahes
giving us the illusion that we can identify brainwashes easily
happily, one can often break through
this enormous barrier by realising this:
taking things out of context... is the largest context
but of course,
this is the favorite tool
of brainwashers and their faithful ilk
good luck
reject the brainwash
-peter
ZeroEffort
mtf...@aol.com (M T Fish) wrote:
"So, the strength and truth of Genius forbids you from paying attention to
punctuation, or what? How about a capital letter now and again,
Brainiac."
-----------------------------------------
self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer responds:
-----------------------------------------
people still care about capital letters and punctuation?
i thought this was supposed to BE a medium where conversational writing
could be tolerated and encouraged, not grammer school
i guess that's THE problem with being self proclaimed:
no certification by some other certified self proclaimer
the depth of the brainwash continues to astonish me
especially in "High IQ" arenas
mtf...@aol.com (M T Fish) also wrote:
"We are not so much irked by your arrogance as by the enormous gulf
between
your Perceived Intellect and your Demonstrated Intellect. Please, next
time you wish to inform others of your megawatt brainpower, demonstrate
it - do not yodel about it."
-----------------------------------------
self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer responds:
-----------------------------------------
"irked by your arrogance"... that i can understand
remember though that self importance is all relative
but as far as identifying the gulf between my actual
knowledge/enlightenment and my egomaniacalism...
i'd have to say that, statistically speaking,
you're taking some very large leaps
watch:
1 +1 = 2
but only if you think simple...
simple thinking:
if you isolate say... one orange... from all the other oranges in the
world, and then... collect it together with one other orange,
then you will think that you have two oranges
and for all your small purposes
you have two oranges
but the truth is:
1 + 1 = 1
because there is only one and you can't add it to itself
math is isolation
pure and simple
Douglas Horn
The rapier-witted Hound of Cullen wrote:
> Dear sir/madam:
>
> We regret to inform you that the position you applied for, "Bombastic
> Hack," has been filled.
Made my day!
Douglas Horn
Douglas Horn
Ifishpa wrote:
> NOTE READS: "Hindisght is 20/20"
Hey, no need to bash ethnic groups here. What did Hindis ever do to
you?
Douglas Horn
Sandy Fleming
In article <4p9q9j$8...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ZeroEffort
<zeroe...@aol.com> writes
>but the truth is:
>
>1 + 1 = 1
>
>because there is only one and you can't add it to itself
>
--
Sandy Fleming
"Old brains to wash! Old emoticons to smile! Old friends to roast!
Old authors to send rejection slips to!"
ZeroEffort
ifishpa ZeroEffort wrote:
>but the truth is:
>
>1 + 1 = 1
>
>because there is only one and you can't add it to itself
>
Sandy Fleming wrote:
>>So you've been reading up on Boolean algebra, Peter? :)
ifishpa ZeroEffort replies:
no actually, it was a hurried typo
what i meant was:
1 + 1 = impossible (or 1)
because there is only One
because you can't add One to itself
if that's what Boolean algebra says
then i'm in general agreement, for now
sets, subsets and overlapping sets
quantification
is what all math is based on
therefore all math is:
simple thinking
practical thinking
possessive thinking
absurd thinking
and yet we generally think of mathematics as intelligence
but it's not intelligence
because you can't really isolate
one orange from
all the oranges
except theoretically in your mind
and you can't really isolate
one person
from all persons
or one atom
from all atoms
and this all stems from the mini-brainwash:
divide and conquer
we always think in terms of accomplishment
but we generally only accomplish one thing:
alienation
the global suggestion box
-peter
to read is to endorse
to wonder is to explore
Mike Totty
NoBrain (or was that ZeroEffect) babbled:
>
> i usually reference the 4th edition (second printing) of
>
> "The Guide for Explaining Simple Truth
> to Undiagnosed Pseudo-Intellectuals"
Obviously it is something you have taken to heart, since it strikes so
close to home.
>
> brainwash...
> ...
>
> ...brainwash,
> ...
>
> ...
>
> ...
> ...brainwahes
> ...brainwashes...
>
> ...
> ...
>
> ...
>
> ...
> ...
> ...brainwashers...
>
> ...
>
> reject the brainwash
>
I believe earlier I posted something via email out of courtesy which
mentioned that one of the characteristics of the brainwashed is the
repitition of key words and phrases when faced with opposing viewpoints.
One of the strengths of a good writer is a vocabulary. This means (let me
know if the words I use have too many syllables for you smart fish) using
words with similar meanings to express an idea or concept. This diversity
of language is important in capturing and holding the interest of the
audience. Now, as an experiement, see if you can explain your viewpoint
without using the word brainwash.
BTW, genius filmmaker, have you created a film that anyone besides your
Mommy might have seen?
Mike (wishing that someone could deprogram me) Totty
ZeroEffort
Mike Totty wrote:
"One of the strengths of a good writer is a vocabulary. This means (let me
know if the words I use have too many syllables for you smart fish) using
words with similar meanings to express an idea or concept. This diversity
of language is important in capturing and holding the interest of the
audience. Now, as an experiement, see if you can explain your viewpoint
without using the word brainwash."
---------------------------------------------
NoBrain ZeroEffort Ifishpa replies:
---------------------------------------------
firstly...
the number of syllables you use
will certainly not throw ME for a loop
but they will also not, in themselves,
add any substance to what you are saying
personally, i prefer grunting
if it's enough to get the point across
also, i am more interested in the sound of grunting
and the simplicity of grunting
like crickets, birds, barks, bells, orgasms, etc
of course, multi-syllable grunting is fine too
but it is nevertheless, just more grunts
so many words for... so few ideas
secondly...
sometimes
there comes a word
or set of words
that define an idea with such utter clarity
that no other words are needed or desired
they become a reference point
like the name of a city
or the visual language
for someone in need of a "toilet"
for me, there is no substitue for the following:
You Have Free Will
Use Your Free Will
(reject the brainwash)
also available on T-Shirt
Global Suggestion Box
1-800-Any-Suggestion
1-800-269-7844 ask for dept JDA34
thanks for your advice and criticism
perhaps you can help me grunt it up a bit
-peter (pierre, pedro, pietro, petie boy, etc)
ps be aware of all forms brainwashes, mind control, cattle prodding,
advertising, propaganda, idol worship etc.
and yes there are many films
most of which my mommy have never seen
she prefers HBO love stories and action adventure films
Warren West
CultTV
Peter suggests we reject "brainwashing"...:
>be aware of all forms brainwashes, mind control, cattle prodding,
>advertising, propaganda, idol worship etc.
....except, of course, his own.
>also available on T-Shirt
>
>Global Suggestion Box
>1-800-555-7844 ask for dept JDA34
Ed
Douglas Horn
ZeroEffort wrote:
[seemingly endless drivel snipped}
> Global Suggestion Box
> 1-800-Any-Suggestion
> 1-800-269-7844 ask for dept JDA34
>
> thanks for your advice and criticism
>
> perhaps you can help me grunt it up a bit
So I'll take this as an invitation for each of us to call your 800
number and grunted for a few minutes. Very generous of you, as we live
all over the country, and that's got to add up. I guess being a
self-proclaimed, self-proclaimed genius means never having to pay your
phone bill.
Dialing and grunting as we speak,
Douglas Horn
bweb...@freenet.vcu.edu
>: he is stunned by my unrepentent arrogance
>: his cheap shot is nothing more than.... silence
>: it is the typical response to such lack of humility
>: we are all so brainwashed to conceal our talents
>: as though strength=weakness and truth=lies
>: being at the mercy of morons, i know
>:
>: in today's vast planetary stripping of individual thoughts
>: the utter waste of time, energy and liberty
>: goes way beyond mere tragedy here
>: it borders on genecide
>: freedom genecide
>:
>: so be it, i will not comply, and i urge you to resist as well
See, folks? See? What cheap shot I could ever make could
*possibly* be as funny as this?
This guy could be the next Andy Kaufman.
--
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* SFWA member RealSoonNow | someone else's? BWAA-hah- *
* "Writer in residence at MY house." | hah-hah-hah! *
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Mark Manning
In article <4p48tl$q...@post.its.mcw.edu> chris mclaughlin <cmcl...@post.its.mcw.edu> writes:
>From: chris mclaughlin <cmcl...@post.its.mcw.edu>
>Subject: Re: self proclaimed genius film-maker/writer/
>Date: 5 Jun 1996 15:25:41 GMT
>ifi...@aol.com (Ifishpa) wrote:
>>YOU HAVE FREE WILL
>>USE YOUR FREE WILL
There is no free will, just as there is no free lunch. Worst of all is
when somebody offers you a free lunch. You may accept or decline, but
the choice is not truly free because something forced you to make a
choice, and the possible choices are set by somebody else. Yes or no, in
this situation, each has its price.
If you accept, you will then be forced to make further choices. Do you
order the steak sandwich with a side of lobster and two wines to wash it
all down, or opt for the chef's sallad, a glass of water, and sneak out in
the middle of coffee. Either way, the choice is not truly yours.
Appetite, social convention, and fear of reprisal set the agenda. You can
only choose between a short list of unattractive options, the least
unattractive being the one you will choose. In that respect, the choice
was made for you long before you knew you would be eating out.
If, on the other hand, you decline, things are much as they would have
been had the other person not offered, but indeed this option has its
price. Depending on who did the asking, you risk effects to your social or
business standing, and must also decide later whether or not to offer to
buy lunch to this person anyway, that certainly is not free. Once again,
if you did choose to decline, it is no real choice as declining was the
least unattractive of a list of choices forced upon you by somebody else,
and it was the least unattractive even before you knew you had a choice to
make, and therefore, the choice you would make.
Even the original poster was forced by outside influences to bring up this
subject. A lifetime of experiences, all external forces, drove him/her to
MW and to this subject as surely as the moon drives the tides. In
retrospect, I see that my answering this post in just this way was also
determined long before I read the original post. I did not choose to
respond, but was forced by the original poster to answer. And with online
charges and all, this choice was certainly not free.
Mark
Thought for Today: "Life is far too depressing to be taken seriously."
Bob Pastorio
zeroe...@aol.com (ZeroEffort) wrote, apparently in self-reference:
>-peter (pierre, pedro, pietro, petie boy, etc)
I think it's cute when guys name their thingy. Or, in this guy's
case, thingies. It's that "etc" that I wonder about.
Oh, the other thing I wonder about is how to overcome my brainwashing
that writing probably ought to have some quotient of communication in
it. And mean something to readers.
The other thing I wonder is do you tear off those strips with the
holes on the sides of the paper you print out ol' Zero's rantings on.
If I don't, they scratch my butt. What do you others do? Yes, in
stating the obvious, there is a remarkable resemblence in the surface
content before AND after use.
Bob(see what it's like to sign a real name?)Pastorio
ZeroEffort
this is a perfect example of rationalizing why you don't use your free
will
you're trying to convince yourself that you don't have any... therefore
your reponsibilty is removed for making the best of your absolutely free
will, and you can live comfortably in total mediocrity without feeling
guilty or having regrets or sneaking suspicions that you could have
pursued the formless future
the many brainwashes are working very well on you
thank you for such a fine example
M Barnard
In article <4pgf2g$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
zeroe...@aol.com (ZeroEffort) wrote:
>this is a perfect example of rationalizing why you don't use your free
>will
>
free will, but that the things which shape them are so numerous, and the
interactions so rich, that it is impossible to actually determine the outcome.
There is a causal web, but it is practically unknowable.
For all intents and purposes, we have free will, in the same way that
Einstein's theory of relativity didn't negate the day-to-day use of Newton's
three laws.
Don't make the sophomore's mistake of believing that general rebelliousness
is free will.
M
chris mclaughlin
bar...@io.org (M Barnard) wrote:
:Don't make the sophomore's mistake of believing that general rebelliousness
:is free will.
Or the libertarian's, either <g>.
Chris
ZeroEffort
bar...@io.org (M Barnard) wrote
>No, it was more of a limited example of the reality that humans don't
have
free will, but that the things which shape them are so numerous, and the
interactions so rich, that it is impossible to actually determine the
outcome.
ZeroEffort Replies:
----------------------------------------
if humans don't have free will... then who does genius?
OF COURSE humans are intensely influenced to make the choices they
eventually make
but that's my whole point
You HAVE Free Will
USE Your Free Will
(REJECT the brainwash)
the worst part of it is, and please don't take this personally,
you're actually brainwashing yourself (for some odd reason)
you don't want to know that you have free will
too much for you to handle or something
afterall, it is easier to get bossed around isn't it?
i'm not saying you have free 'control' over everything
agreed, there are many forces controlling you
i'm just saying that
as a matter of simple truth:
* you have free will *
obviously every once in awhile
you need reMINDing
and so does everybody else
now i can just imagine your answer
but i'll ask anyway:
if you don't think you have free will...
then why do you bother to respond to me
is it your destiny?
so silly
is that how pathetic your destiny is?
it's just your free will bumping into mine
what sophmoric professor ever convinced you
that you didn't have free will?
and why?
to EDUCATE you?
or was it to neuter you?
America, Land of the Free, Home of the Brave,
Universe, home of the free
blah blah blah
just continuing on here without my free will...
blah blah blah
Mark Manning
Mark Manning (Who just washed his brain and can't do a thing with it) Replies:
"I HAVE Free Will"
"I will USE My Free Will"
"I (REJECT the brainwash)"
Wow! You all gotta try this! Sit in a dark room and chant these phrases
over and over again for three days straight. No food. No water. No MTV.
Just you and these immortal words locked away in the closet. Talk about
steam cleaning! Do this and you'll have an April-fresh static-free
tumble-dried mind that can see right through even the most sinister schemes
dreamed up by our handlers.
Course, Mr. Effort will claim that all I've managed to do is brainwash
myself and he'd be right. But it was interesting to speculate how he came
around to the certainty of his view :)
(Ed. Note: The ":)" symbol is known as a smiley and indicates the writer's
intention that the preceding sentence, paragraph, or entire article be
viewed for its humorous content. There was a time when writers relied on
the interpretive skills of the reader to mine the gold of their wit, but
given some reader's desire to exercise their free will to the point of
exhaustion, all future corresponsence will be accompanied by one or more
smilies so as to make it clear to even the most brainwashed
brainwash-rejector that this is all in good fun :)
ZeroEffort
past...@rica.net (Bob Pastorio) wrote
>The other thing I wonder is do you tear off those strips with the
holes on the sides of the paper you print out ol' Zero's rantings on.
If I don't, they scratch my butt. What do you others do? Yes, in
stating the obvious, there is a remarkable resemblence in the surface
content before AND after use.
perhaps you should read them instead of smell them...
i suppose you 'morons' would prefer the following post title:
incompetent fool (but humble) at your service:
all this false humility going around makes me sick
look, we're all just specs of carbon in the infinite universe
if some of us happen to be smarter or wiser,
let's not get offended, let's be open minded
maybe we can learn something besides total bulshit
i'm certainly not not offended by the stupid carbons
who seem to have a lock on tv time and everything else
i would just like to share what i have learned, that's all
and what i've learned is that there is a big brainwash going on
(actually several overlapping brainwashes)
and they are all distracting us all
from our free will
and the formless future
now if you would like to wipe your ass with that... go ahead
but don't blame me for being led into the mindless slaughter
>>-peter (pierre, pedro, pietro, petie boy, etc)
>I think it's cute when guys name their thingy. Or, in this guy's
case, thingies. It's that "etc" that I wonder about.
>Oh, the other thing I wonder about is how to overcome my brainwashing
that writing probably ought to have some quotient of communication in
it. And mean something to readers.
-peter
it's my name not my penis name,
i don't have a name for my penis,
because i don't talk to it
it serves me well as an organ
and i don't name my organs
just liver, heart, bladder, skin etc
i was simply mocking a previous post for saying that "to interest the
reader i should use more words to describe the same thing." He was sick
of me saying the following:
chris mclaughlin
Dang! You're right, Peter.
Now show me the way: lead me on to the next revealed truth.
Your faithful follower,
Chris
Mike Totty
With hisusual lack of clarity, ZeroEffort wrote:
>
> perhaps you should read them instead of smell them...
>
> i suppose you 'morons' would prefer the following post title:
>
> incompetent fool (but humble) at your service:
No, not at all. In fact, I think you'll find the citizens here a diverse
group of independent thinkers. In your view, I'm probably a moron, but
that doesn't mean we can't have a lively conversation.
> all this false humility going around makes me sick
> look, we're all just specs of carbon in the infinite universe
> if some of us happen to be smarter or wiser,
> let's not get offended, let's be open minded
> maybe we can learn something besides total bulshit
> i'm certainly not not offended by the stupid carbons
> who seem to have a lock on tv time and everything else
>
> i would just like to share what i have learned, that's all
>
> and what i've learned is that there is a big brainwash going on
> (actually several overlapping brainwashes)
> and they are all distracting us all
> from our free will
> and the formless future
> OK. Several have tried to get at this concept. I'll try once more.
Instead of chanting the brainwash mantra, please explain what you mean.
How can you expect a moron to follow your creed if it lacks substance.
Who is doing the brainwashing? Why are they doing it?
Please don't use nebulous terms like, "the government" or "the media". I
like to think there is something behind your inscrutable facade other
than the same old, tired libertarian part line.
Again awaiting clarification, but expecting zero.
Mike (i like ee cummings too) Totty
Deck Deckert
ZeroEffort, another gutless anonymous poster, wrote:
: blah blah blah
No, I'm not summarizing; I'm quoting. That's really
what he wrote. <g>
Deck
ZeroEffort
In article <4pmf1u$k...@news.gate.net>, de...@gate.net (Deck Deckert)
writes:
i'm curious, which do you think promotes truth and honesty?
remaining anonymous or throwing yourself in front of a run-away train?
-peter
ZeroEffort
In article <31BEDD...@earthlink.net>, Mike Totty <to...@earthlink.net>
writes:
>> OK. Several have tried to get at this concept. I'll try once more.
>
>Instead of chanting the brainwash mantra, please explain what you mean.
>How can you expect a moron to follow your creed if it lacks substance.
>Who is doing the brainwashing? Why are they doing it?
>
>Please don't use nebulous terms like, "the government" or "the media". I
>like to think there is something behind your inscrutable facade other
>than the same old, tired libertarian part line.
>
>Again awaiting clarification, but expecting zero.
>
>Mike (i like ee cummings too) Totty
ok, you want me to explain it specifically, here goes:
i could write an entire novel on this but right now
i don't have the Time, Energy, or Liberty to do so
anyway... i'll touch on some aspects about what i think about what it
means
i thought it was clear enough in it's non-referenced form
and that it should be left to someones imagination but...
it is all very simple and pure
and it makes no references
to anyone or anything in particular
except you, the one who understands it
it advocates nothing specific
except you being free from the brainwashes
first the alleged mantra:
(a universal declaration of independence, as it were)
You Have Free Will
Use Your Free Will
(reject the brainwash)
SOME BACKGROUND
through-out my life i have met so many people
with so many different brainwashes (mental blocks, etc)
pointlessly struggling, trying to adapt to some lame brainwash or another
it has made me sad and mad and i want to stop it
Line 1: You Have Free Will
--------------------------------------
although this has been debated here much by many,
(and i suspect i know the reason: general laziness
and fear of having control over your own life)
it still remains an absolute fact.
You have almost infinite choices as to
how to react to everything in your life experience.
This is what makes life so thrilling (or used to anyway)
before all the brainwashes began (more on that later)
How many people do you know
who regularly express the potential of their Free Will
i think we all need reMINDing
You have temendous potential as a thinking being
you have creativity and imagination beyond measure
and even if you don't have it on the surface
it can be awkened from within
for the benefit of you
and all in your sphere of free will
Line 2: Use Your Free Will
--------------------------------------
if you don't drink the milk, it will go sour
if you don't move out of the way,
the truck will run you over
how often do you use your free will
which you have in great abundance
every single minute of your life
once you can accept that you have free will
once you can get over the brainwash of not having it
use your free will for whatever you want to use it for
(unless you're gonna badly hurt someone else)
that's the beauty of having Free Will
whatever:
quit your job
wear socks on your hands
run across the world
dare to be penniless
start a business
go to bed
lay in the grass
become a writer
read the phonebook
eat spam
scream and yell
invent a breakthru
plant a garden
make fifty friends today
shave your head
go to work naked
write a symphony
go swimming
climb on your roof
whatever...
Line 3: (reject the brainwash)
stop blindly accepting all the influences on you
(and there are thousands of overlapping brainwashes
all competing to direct your next course of action)
some are intentional propaganda
some are commercial advertisements
some are random misconceptions
some are just ridiculous superstitions
many seeming to alienate each of us from eachother
it is so easy to mold public opinion
tv, radio, films, books, schools, religions
subway advertisements, graffitti, fear,
magazines, unions, corporations, parties,
some brainwashes are so subtle
you never give them a second thought
one example is the naming of the days
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday...
very practical to name the days right?
but look what it's done...
it's put us all in an endless repetitive cycle
each day having it's own particular feel and character
each day having a subtle effect on how we feel on that day
days should not be named in advance
they should be open challenges
this simple brainwash, which is so innocent looking,
distracts us from the truth that each day is brand new
and that there IS a formless future we can mold
instead we continue to look at the future
with bland cattle like expectations
the names of the days offer us worthless security
"i'll do that first thing monday morning"
"i'll see you this weekend"
the thing you must keep in mind is this:
Taking things out of context... is the largest context.
the confusion of life is much like what happens when you
start watching a movie from the middle
you don't understand all the references
so you're watching a completely different movie
than what was intended for you to see by the director
you make up your own opinions, your own movie
no matter what we say, we all interpret it differently
because we all have a different perspective (duh)
newsgroups are an excellent example of this
so why have any references to learn at all?
You Have Free Will
Use Your Free Will
(reject the brainwash)
if you look into someone's eyes
and you don't say anything at all
for a real long time...
what happens?
you start to love eachother
the whole bible could be condensed to one word: Love
like when you look into your smiling baby's eyes
no complications, no equations, no rules, just love
if it's good... good
if it's bad, then reject it
always ask:
What If...
Everything
were EXACTLY... the way... IT IS
What... would... YOU.... do?
and
What's ... The ... Difference... if you don't?
-peter
ps i've left much out in the interest of getting dinner
M Barnard
In article <4pok3r$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
zeroe...@aol.com (ZeroEffort) wrote:
>In article <31BEDD...@earthlink.net>, Mike Totty <to...@earthlink.net>
>writes:
>>Instead of chanting the brainwash mantra, please explain what you mean.
[...]
>
>ok, you want me to explain it specifically, here goes:
>
[much deleted]
Okay, so I have to apologize to all the sophomores I've insulted by comparing
Zero's efforts to their unsophisticated thought processes. Most sophomores
have at least some knowledge, and a general willingness to educate themselves.
The net result of Zero's philosophy seems to be to mindless rebellion against
the status quo and ignorance.
I'm guessing fifteen-year-old skate-punk, myself.
EDWARD ROBERT CHAMPION
Here's a hint. Take the "self proclaimed genius" out of your list of
sobriquets. Humility, civility and egalitarianism go a long way.
--
-Edward Champion "The religion that is afraid of science dishonors
edc...@sfsu.edu God and commits suicide." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
Indecent? Fuck you! There's something called the First Amendment.
-Michael Moore FAQ Compiler, Filmmaker, Writer, Guitar Player, Artist
EDWARD ROBERT CHAMPION
In article <4pcmk0$b...@freenet.vcu.edu>, <bweb...@freenet.vcu.edu> wrote:
>
>This guy could be the next Andy Kaufman.
>--
Heh...I don't know. He strikes me as a cross between a soporific Thomas
Wolfe and a particularly halluconigenic William S. Burroughs without, of
course, their genius.
D. Citron
Deck Deckert (de...@gate.net) wrote:
: ZeroEffort, another gutless anonymous poster, wrote:
: : blah blah blah
: No, I'm not summarizing; I'm quoting. That's really
: what he wrote. <g>
That suggests a new thread. It seems to me that m.w has a much lower
percentage of pseudonymous posters than most newsgroups.
Why? .... Any ideas on this?
BTW, &c is an archaic (I believe) way to express "et cetera."
Posted as a public service by .............................. D. Citron
"The very purpose of the First Amendment is to foreclose public
authority from assuming a guardianship of the public mind. ... In this
field every person must be his own watchman for the truth, because the
forefathers did not trust any government to separate the truth from
the false for us."
...Thomas v Collins, 323 U.S. 516 (1945)
CultTV
Peter uses the logic for which he is so justifiably obscure:
>i'm curious, which do you think promotes truth
>and honesty? remaining anonymous or throwing
>yourself in front of a run-away train?
If you promise to do the latter, I'm happy to let you do the former.
Ed (hiegh-ho the derry-o, the former takes a life)
Mark Manning
In article <4pok3r$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> zeroe...@aol.com (ZeroEffort) writes:
>Date: 13 Jun 1996 04:39:22 -0400
...snipped the unabridged version of the chant...
>-peter
>ps i've left much out in the interest of getting dinner
Isn't your hunger just another one of the many brainwashes? :)
Why eat dinner at dinner time, instead of breakfast? :)
you have Free Will
Use your Free Will
(Reject the many foodstuffs :)
Mark Manning
In article <4pqd21$19...@navajo.gate.net> dci...@gate.net (D. Citron) writes:
>Date: 13 Jun 1996 20:51:13 -0400
>That suggests a new thread. It seems to me that m.w has a much lower
>percentage of pseudonymous posters than most newsgroups.
>Why? .... Any ideas on this?
I would think that was obvious, Dave. Writers live to see their names in
print or on the screen, if only a 14" monochrome monitor :)
ZeroEffort
edc...@apollo.sfsu.edu (EDWARD ROBERT CHAMPION) wrote:
>Here's a hint. Take the "self proclaimed genius" out of your list of
>sobriquets. Humility, civility and egalitarianism go a long way.
that's what i like about this NG
(i get a lot of use out of my dictionary)
thanks for the hint but, i believe humility is usually used when someone
is trying to impress someone, whereas, i'm not.
obviously the statement 'self proclaimed genius' is not something to brag
about anyway, because who gives any credibility to me anyway? I'm just
another gutless anonymous poster.
as a matter of fact, now that i think about it, i realise that it actually
is a humble thing to expose your genius as 'self proclaimed'.
so i apologize for my humble attempt to impress you all.
-peter (now only slightly gutless)
M Barnard
In article <4pqd21$19...@navajo.gate.net>, dci...@gate.net (D. Citron)
wrote:
>Deck Deckert (de...@gate.net) wrote:
>: ZeroEffort, another gutless anonymous poster, wrote:
>: : blah blah blah
>: No, I'm not summarizing; I'm quoting. That's really
>: what he wrote. <g>
>
>percentage of pseudonymous posters than most newsgroups.
>
>Why? .... Any ideas on this?
Because half of the fiction writers are posting under either their real
names, as opposed to the fictional names they sign to their stories
and books? And the other half are using the fictional, but well known,
names they sign to their books and giving us the impression that they
are using their real names?
How about: writers generally look for veracity and originality, and
tired re-use of other writers' gimmicks (eg. Darth Vader) just makes
them look silly and trite in this company?
How about: journalists never give up a chance at a by-line, even if
only in a global conversation (the description used in the opinion on
the CDA handed down this week from three judges).
How about: writers are used to having their true selves come out in
words, and even if they have pseudonyms for various types of writing,
still sign their names to these words. While writers have a greater
preponderance of impoverished, technology-averse hermits in their midst
(the Unabomber springs to mind ;-), that desire for privacy does not
extend to their one true outlet: the printed word.
How about: misc.writing denizens know that Hershey's keeps an eye on
posts here, looking for that perfect chocolate-related bon-mot, and if
they don't sign their real names, they won't get the lifetime supply of
fresh, dark chocolate.
That's my fill...I've got to go and buy some chocolate now. ;-)
Douglas Horn
D. Citron wrote:
> That suggests a new thread. It seems to me that m.w has a much lower
> percentage of pseudonymous posters than most newsgroups.
Actually, we're ALL using pseudonyms, but as writers we're more skilled
at building the facade. What, are you using your REAL NAME? Didn't you
get the memo?
Now you'll never know if I'm really:
Douglas Horn
M Barnard
In article <4pqpu7$5...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
zeroe...@aol.com (ZeroEffort) wrote:
>edc...@apollo.sfsu.edu (EDWARD ROBERT CHAMPION) wrote:
>
>>Here's a hint. Take the "self proclaimed genius" out of your list of
>>sobriquets. Humility, civility and egalitarianism go a long way.
>
>that's what i like about this NG
>(i get a lot of use out of my dictionary)
I'd suggest Strunk and White's _Elements of Style_ as another reference book
you might want to consider. But of course, any reference work is an
explicit encoding of cultural brainwashing, so you should probably just get
rid of the dictionary.
And how is it that you've given in so wholely to the media brainwashing about
the Internet being a cool and anarchic place to be that you've joined it?
>
>thanks for the hint but, i believe humility is usually used when someone
>is trying to impress someone, whereas, i'm not.
And you're succeeding! Congratulations.
GeoGoddess
bar...@io.org (M Barnard) wrote:
>How about: misc.writing denizens know that Hershey's keeps an eye on
>posts here, looking for that perfect chocolate-related bon-mot, and if
>they don't sign their real names, they won't get the lifetime supply of
>fresh, dark chocolate.
>
>That's my fill...I've got to go and buy some chocolate now. ;-)
I couldn't watch "The Cosby Show" a few years ago, because there was
always a cake-eating scene written into every show. Invariably I would
have to go to the kitchen and bake brownies. I'm too suggestible!
And now you go and bring up Hershey's chocolate! I baked brownies this
morning and I had a chocolate milkshake about 2 hours ago, but now I
want a Hershey bar! Aaaaaahhhh! Cripes, even the internet isn't safe
anymore.
Sara (who if she were what she ate, would be cocoa brown)
lel...@texas.net
GeoGoddess <sar...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>And now you go and bring up Hershey's chocolate! I baked brownies this
>morning and I had a chocolate milkshake about 2 hours ago, but now I
>want a Hershey bar! Aaaaaahhhh! Cripes, even the internet isn't safe
>anymore.
Hang in there, Sara, I'm sending one now...........
Ugh, having a hard time getting it in...just another minute.....
Ooops..........uh.....anybody got a "really good" floppy drive
cleaner?
8洌)
P.S. I'm lel...@texas.net for all you folks who don't have newsreaders
that give you return e-mail information on postings.
Sir Topham Hatt
GeoGoddess (sar...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
:
: And now you go and bring up Hershey's chocolate! I baked brownies this
: morning and I had a chocolate milkshake about 2 hours ago, but now I
: want a Hershey bar! Aaaaaahhhh! Cripes, even the internet isn't safe
: anymore.
Heathen. Milkshakes don't go with brownies, you have to make egg creams...
STH
Lorrill Buyens
zeroe...@aol.com (ZeroEffort), while summoning a demon, chanted :
>past...@rica.net (Bob Pastorio) wrote
>i suppose you 'morons' would prefer the following post title:
>incompetent fool (but humble) at your service:
Actually, Petey-baby, we'd prefer you *not to advertise*. Misc.writing is not
an ad group.
>i would just like to share what i have learned, that's all
Free tip: Display your knowledge all you like, but arrogance will get you
nowhere.
>and what i've learned is that there is a big brainwash going on
Good - I happen to have a very dirty mind... ;-)
>>>-peter (pierre, pedro, pietro, petie boy, etc)
>>I think it's cute when guys name their thingy. Or, in this guy's
>case, thingies. It's that "etc" that I wonder about.
>i was simply mocking a previous post for saying that "to interest the
>reader i should use more words to describe the same thing."
Synonyms are our friends... <g>
>He was sick of me saying the following:
>You Have Free Will
>Use Your Free Will
>(reject the brainwash)
Know what? So am I...
Lorrill (I may be smart, but I ain't no "genius") Buyens
CultTV
M Bernard writes:
>How about: misc.writing denizens know that Hershey's
>keeps an eye on posts here, looking for that perfect
>chocolate-related bon-mot,
Make that "chocolate-related BON-BON mot" and the Hugs and Kisses will
arrive in return mail.
Ed (as opposed, of course, to "sock mots")
K.HAIGH-HUTCHINSON
Mark Manning (m-1...@mailbox.swipnet.se) wrote:
: There is no free will, just as there is no free lunch. Worst of all is
: when somebody offers you a free lunch. You may accept or decline, but
: the choice is not truly free because something forced you to make a
: choice, and the possible choices are set by somebody else. Yes or no, in
: this situation, each has its price.
: and it was the least unattractive even before you knew you had a choice to
: make, and therefore, the choice you would make.
This sounds as if you think that every time we make a choice we choose the
least unattractive and so our path is determined before we start it.
Then why do two people from the same background turn out different?
What governs the 'least attractive' option. Is it the same for everyone?
What decides what option is attractive and what one not?
My mother made a choice to always take the 'easiest, least painful
choice'. She is now totally isolated, makes no friends, makes no effort to
involve herself in life. She had a nervous breakdown and she now seems to
live on that. For thirty years her life has led nowhere.
I on the other hand, made the opposite choice. Not to avoid pain, but to
go out and live. If it hurt, it hurt. My world has got bigger and bigger
whereas my sister's has remained at village level and my mother's has
shrunk to her front room.
You have a choice to make all your choices on short term grounds, or to go
for long range planning. Or to mix and match. You put what criteria you
want into the choice parameters and the choices come out.
Warning. To plan all your life for short-term benefit, easy options can
very well lead into the easiest journey to take is the one going nowhere.
And if you can blame your lack of destination on someone else, so much the
better.
But, if you go for short-term discomfort, the view from the mountain-top
is well worth the climb up there.
Kathy HH
M Barnard
In article <4q4027$8...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, cul...@aol.com (CultTV) wrote:
>M Bernard writes:
>
>>How about: misc.writing denizens know that Hershey's
>>keeps an eye on posts here, looking for that perfect
>>chocolate-related bon-mot,
>
>Make that "chocolate-related BON-BON mot" and the Hugs and Kisses will
>arrive in return mail.
>
M (mmm-mmm good)
ZeroEffort
>I'd suggest Strunk and White's _Elements of Style_ as another reference
book
>you might want to consider. But of course, any reference work is an
>explicit encoding of cultural brainwashing, so you should probably just
get
>rid of the dictionary.
>
>
As you know, i do have my own technique called:
Writing: The Wordless Approach (see previous lame posting describing it)
it's a way of seeing things thru a child's eyes as an adult
it really works well as a mind enema
and here Barnard, i'll save you the trouble:
"You're approach is like a Mind Enema huh? Well then it's true then,
Necessity is the Mother of Invention."
but i must admit Barnard, you are funny and quick witted, even when it's
me putting WORDS in your mouth.
delirium
On 17 Jun 1996, CultTV wrote:
> Make that "chocolate-related BON-BON mot" and the Hugs and Kisses will
> arrive in return mail.
>
> Ed (as opposed, of course, to "sock mots")
i don't like chocolate, so i'd say that sock mots always taste better, if
that's what you like. ;)
jacob (who was NOT going to get into a chocolate-related thread but dammit
you bring sock mots into it and well there you go)
delirium - jac7...@bayou.uh.edu - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1337/
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M Barnard
In article <4q59st$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
zeroe...@aol.com (ZeroEffort) wrote:
>In article <4pusuc$5...@news1.io.org>, bar...@io.org (M Barnard) writes:
>
>As you know, i do have my own technique called:
>
>Writing: The Wordless Approach (see previous lame posting describing it)
>
It's nice to see you're getting the hang of capitalization, Zero. After you
master the basics of the English language we'll work on relevance and humour.
M
David Wasser
In article <4q59st$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> zeroe...@aol.com (ZeroEffort)
writes:
>As you know, i do have my own technique called:
>
>Writing: The Wordless Approach (see previous lame posting describing it)
>
>it's a way of seeing things thru a child's eyes as an adult
>
>it really works well as a mind enema
Oh boy. ZE, do you even *know* any children? Do you truly remember what it
was like to be a child? Have you ever really paid attention to a child?
Children's minds are more like sponges than enemas.
Liza (I may not know much about writing, but I know a hell of a lot about
kids.)
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David & Liza Wasser email: DW...@valhalla.rhein-main.de
Hainburg Germany (near Frankfurt, on the banks of the River Main)
"Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable. Let us prepare to
grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all!"
-- Dirk Gently
Marc Adrien Godin
ZeroEffort (zeroe...@aol.com) wrote:
: bar...@io.org (M Barnard) wrote
: >No, it was more of a limited example of the reality that humans don't
: have
: free will, but that the things which shape them are so numerous, and the
: interactions so rich, that it is impossible to actually determine the
: outcome.
I actually came to that cnclusion a couple years ago....no one believes
me either. *sigh* I think it's because no one wants to admit that
really we have very little control over what we do...
: OF COURSE humans are intensely influenced to make the choices they
: eventually make
: but that's my whole point
: You HAVE Free Will
: USE Your Free Will
: (REJECT the brainwash)
It's not brainwashing, it's something entirely different. Here's how I
try and explain this theory that free will is an illusion:
First: our personality is formed as a combination of genetics and
environment. I don't think that -life- allows for completely
randomness: everything has a reason. A genetic mutation is because of
radiation, or a biological problem, for example. I think that every
"random" element in this universe is basically a cause-and-effect. If
you could control -every- factor causing an event, you'd be able to
predict how the event would happen.
Make sense? No? Ah well, I suck at explaining what goes on inside my
messed-up head. Anyway, the point is, if you can understand that our
personality is formed partly from genetics and partly environment then
you can go to my second point...
Second: All decisions we make are based entirely on how we assess the
situation, and these assessments are based entirely on our personality.
It is how you, as an individual, assign importance to different factors.
If you wanted to cheat on a test, for example, you would have to decide
how important the test was, if the consequences were severe, if your
chances were good enough, whether or not you need to cheat, etc. There
are probably other factors involved, too, but it is up to the individual
to decide which are important and which aren't.
Since our decisions are based on our personality, and our personality
is based on our genetics and environment we have very little, if any,
free will at all: in any situation, given the exact same circumstances,
we will always make the same decision. Maybe we aren't -destined- to
make that decision, but it is still something we have no control over.
Of course, in the end, it doesn't really make any difference either:
it's like speculating about what might have happened if the big bang
hadn't happened (assuming it -did-): it happened and it's basically a
moot point....just fun to think about it...
: then why do you bother to respond to me
Because certain aspects of my genetic code and certain influences in my
life have geared me towards a personality that, in this situation, will
respond.
: what sophmoric professor ever convinced you
: that you didn't have free will?
I convinced myself. Doesn't mean I'll "give up" (moot point anyway: my
personality isn't one to give up free will, even when I acknowledge that
it doesn't exist. Wierd, eh?)
: and why?
: to EDUCATE you?
I thought it up because I was bored, and started thinking about chaos
theory, and then neuroscience, and then free will...
: Universe, home of the free
: just continuing on here without my free will...
: blah blah blah
I'm curious as to the events that inspired those lines... :)
Marc Godin
ac...@ccn.cs.dal.ca
ZeroEffort
In article <75...@valhalla.rhein-main.de>, DW...@valhalla.rhein-main.de
(David Wasser) writes:
>Oh boy. ZE, do you even *know* any children? Do you truly remember what
it
>was like to be a child? Have you ever really paid attention to a child?
>Children's minds are more like sponges than enemas.
>
>
have two kids, 7 and 9
kid's minds are more like
non-judgemental sponges
easily brainwashed though
that's why i said
ZeroEffort
somehow this nver posted to newsgroup, i'd hate to deprive ya'll so:
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Subj: Re: Free Will or Pay-Per-Choice (was self proclaimed genius
film-maker/writer/)
Date: 06/21/96
[posing as a scholar, M Barnard consenting that he has no free will,
boasting as if it were enlightenment]
ac...@ccn.cs.dal.ca wrote:
<<I actually came to that cnclusion a couple years ago....no one believes
me either. *sigh* I think it's because no one wants to admit that
really we have very little control over what we do...>>
---------------Zero-----------------
i KNOW with absolute certainty
that it's just the opposite
no one wants to admit
how much control we DO have
over what WE do
most people don't want to know
they like this idea of having no choices
Free Will is too much of a responsibility
too much of a challenge
i never said Free Will was *easy*
usually it's not, it can be very hard
but IT IS free, it is within
and no one can take it away from you
(without your consent)
although, your consent is VERY easy to get
afterall, you're born naked and cashless
and once your belly button is sewn...
The Billing Begins
"born at 3:33 am nurse, please make a note of that"
The Billing:
first you owe your parents
(because they owe everybody else)
then you owe your 'teachers'
then you owe your student loan
then you owe your company
then you owe your landLORD
then you owe the phone, electric and gas company
car payments, blah blah blah blah
the brainwash is pretty thick
the trap is very tight on the mind
and watch out
if you don't pay...
you can't play
and YOU are 'NOBODY'
it's MUCH easier to
go with the flow and
get bossed around
by the brainwashers
who want you to think that
you have no free will
then, after 80 years, you're dead
and your formless future is past
but you choose:
You HAVE Free Will
USE Your Free Will
(REJECT the brainwash)
or
You Don't Have Free Will
You Can't Use Your Free Will
(this is not a brainwash)
always remember
apples DO grow on trees
honey sticks to bees
life is sweet and
you CAN do
what you please
and stars are far away
(just try not to hurt anyone)
Yes, it's pay per choice
but no-one can force you to buy it