Writing-related thread
PJ
whine about the non-writing-related threads in mw. This is your chance
to talk about whatever you want--what you've written, works you've
admired that others have written, genre, writing style, word usage,
whatever you want. Here you go. Now you've no excuse not to
contribute. This is a writing-related thread. An official
writing-related thread.
Any takers?
PJ
--
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Peggy J. Parks
www.pjparks.com
Paul Hartman
PJ wrote:
> This one's for all of you who continuously bitch, piss, moan, and
> whine about the non-writing-related threads in mw. This is your chance
> to talk about whatever you want--what you've written, works you've
> admired that others have written, genre, writing style, word usage,
> whatever you want. Here you go. Now you've no excuse not to
> contribute. This is a writing-related thread. An official
> writing-related thread.
>
> Any takers?
>
Hmmmm......... been stalled on fiction WIPs so made the mistake of
looking over some of my data for a non-fiction work.... been hooked for
the last week. Mostly been editing and arranging tables and such, didn't
realize quite how bleeding much data I have. Also got about a dozen pages
of concentrated text drafted. Still got lots and lots to do, but the
feeling of progress is most pleasing. I think that I needed the change of
pace.
SereneBabe
news:epYL7.47481$RI2.25583905@news2...
[snip]
> This is your chance to talk about whatever you want--
> what you've written, works you've
> admired that others have written, genre, writing style, word usage,
> whatever you want.
Someone asked me today, "How's your writing going?"
I stalled and ummmmm'd for several seconds as I considered my answer.
Since I've just started (with an incredible group of women 10 and more years
older than me--how brilliant to witness the growth of women who have gone
before me!) going through Julia Cameron's The Artist's Way again (my third
time), I'm doing the morning pages almost every morning. That's writing, if
you define writing as putting words on paper.
Then again, I haven't pitched an idea for an article to any of my editors
for several months now (even though they said they want me to).
And, I haven't been writing my website column for several weeks.
I had to answer, honestly, I haven't been writing.
I find the cycle of my writing life involves a deep retreat away from
prolific or lucrative writing. Then, after a few months, I start feeling
like I'm going crazy. I try to figure out what's wrong, blaming everything I
can find until I realize I haven't been writing.
When I reach the point where I recognize the source of my crazies, I start
lurking and posting in newsgroups. I write more e-mails to friends. And,
finally, ideas for articles start popping into my head as I fall asleep. I
get hung up on learning all about a random subject matter so I research it
to death while thinking in the back of my mind, "How could I turn this into
a sell-able article?"
FINALLY, something sparks me and I get back to it.
I'm new enough to writing for publication (and the ecstatic satisfaction
good writing brings) that I can't say how long my various cycles are, but, I
know I'm coming to the end of a painfully dry spell.
It's a relief to feel my creativity blurbeling through to the surface again.
Thanks for asking.
--Heather
--
"It's All About Me! (the column)"
http://www.serenebabe.com/
Jenandew
"SereneBabe" ...
: "PJ" <peggy...@home.com> wrote in message
Whoa! I go through the exact same cycle. The crazies and all that. Then
the lists or the ng. Isn't it strange, I ask myself, that I never learn.
Why do I do this to myself? But the flow is there once I get myself
started. So, it comes down to procrastination and perhaps a tad bit of
self-deprecation. I can get to the point where I don't believe I can write
a sentence. Sheez! Yes, I've done the Artist's Way. It helps. But there
too, I manage to procrastinate. 8^)
Annie
Robert McClelland
>This one's for all of you who continuously
> bitch, piss, moan, and whine about the
> non-writing-related threads in mw. This is
> your chance to talk about whatever you
> want--what you've written, works you've
> admired that others have written, genre,
> writing style, word usage, whatever you want.
> Here you go. Now you've no excuse not to
> contribute. This is a writing-related thread. An
> official writing-related thread.
>Any takers?
Please don't post off-topic material to this newsgroup. Now do you have
any relevent cat-related stories or political views to express here?
Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady
25 Nov 2001 07:23:45 -0500 (EST) in
<22924-3C...@storefull-1905.public.rogers.webtv.net> that:
Yeah. Or at least talk about chocolate or start a pun thread.
(Sheesh!)
--
Davida Chazan (The Chocolate Lady)
<davida @ jdc . org . il>
Visit "Like Chocolate for Poetry" http://pub58.ezboard.com/bdrchazan
My Homepage - http://davidachazan.homestead.com/
PJ
I knew it. You, the chief pisser and moaner about this newsgroup, and
you don't have anything writing-related to say. Pffft. But I would
really like to talk about writing with you, Robert. No really, I
would. I'm finishing my book now; the manuscript is due to the
publisher on Friday, and then I leave for Florida for the weekend. How
about you? How's your life going? Any writing-related stories you'd
like to share?
Ciao,
PJ
Robert McClelland
>I knew it. You, the chief pisser and moaner
> about this newsgroup, and you don't have
> anything writing-related to say. Pffft. But I
> would really like to talk about writing with you,
> Robert. No really, I would. I'm finishing my
> book now; the manuscript is due to the
> publisher on Friday, and then I leave for
> Florida for the weekend. How about you?
> How's your life going? Any writing-related
> stories you'd like to share?
Yeah, actually I do. I began writing last April, after not writing since
school, sixteen years ago. The biggest problem I have is in the editing.
My first drafts are pretty rough, as I've forgotten most of the rules in
regards to writing (note the clunkiness in my posts as evidence).
Therefore, I have several dozen first drafts for short stories or the
start of what could be developed into novels. The problem is that I have
been reading a number of works related to grammer and such, and
everytime I come across another mistake in my writing, it prompts me to
go through everything I've written and edit for these mistakes.
Needless to say, since there are thousands of rules concerning the
proper usage of grammer, this process seems endless and I'm wondering if
I will ever get to the point where any of my work will be error free
enough to even post to AFO.
I also have a hard time sticking to just several stories at once, as
noted by my mention of several dozen first drafts being currently worked
on.
Other than that, I don't have any writing related problems. In fact, for
any one complaining that their muse has abandoned them recently, it's
because they are all at my place. I figure I'll end up following the
Stephen King way of becoming an author. Which is to write as much as
possible and hope that eventually some piece of crap will finally stick
to the wall.
gekko
<newsg...@serenebabe.com> had the nerve to say in message
news:mJZL7.17961$GA2.5...@typhoon.austin.rr.com...
> Someone asked me today, "How's your writing going?"
>
> I stalled and ummmmm'd for several seconds as I considered my
> answer.
>
> Since I've just started (with an incredible group of women 10 and
> more years older than me--how brilliant to witness the growth of
> women who have gone before me!) going through Julia Cameron's The
> Artist's Way again (my third time), I'm doing the morning pages
> almost every morning. That's writing, if you define writing as
> putting words on paper.
The definition of "writing" is context-sensitive. I put it,
at its loosest for the purposes of saying "I am a writer" as
deliberately and creatively putting words down with the intent
to share those words with a broad audience.
Usenet postings, unfortunately, fit that definition. As I said,
it's the loosest definition in my book (Hi Golly! Yes, I'm
defining words again, and opining on them. Gasp!)
>
> Then again, I haven't pitched an idea for an article to any of my
> editors for several months now (even though they said they want me
> to).
>
> And, I haven't been writing my website column for several weeks.
>
> I had to answer, honestly, I haven't been writing.
>
> I find the cycle of my writing life involves a deep retreat away
> from prolific or lucrative writing. Then, after a few months, I
> start feeling like I'm going crazy. I try to figure out what's
> wrong, blaming everything I can find until I realize I haven't
> been writing.
>
> When I reach the point where I recognize the source of my crazies,
> I start lurking and posting in newsgroups. I write more e-mails to
> friends. And, finally, ideas for articles start popping into my
> head as I fall asleep. I get hung up on learning all about a
> random subject matter so I research it to death while thinking in
> the back of my mind, "How could I turn this into a sell-able
> article?"
>
> FINALLY, something sparks me and I get back to it.
>
> I'm new enough to writing for publication (and the ecstatic
> satisfaction good writing brings) that I can't say how long my
> various cycles are, but, I know I'm coming to the end of a
> painfully dry spell.
>
> It's a relief to feel my creativity blurbeling through to the
> surface again.
I have nothing more to add to the above, but it's a pretty
good definition of my writing life, so I'll leave it intact.
I shudder to think about if I had to depend on my writing
income. I'd be dead by now. Or, possibly, far more disciplined
in my writing.
--
gekko
Good judgment comes from bad experience and a lot of that comes from
bad judgment.
dogbreath
I just checked and I have 5 fiction WIPs, all stalled, none with much
hope of a kickstart. I'm sitting on the ragged edge, wondering why
I'm still trying to write instead of doing something that amounts to
turning the crank. Initially I had hopes that MW would somehow help
in these efforts, but instead it has been primarily a sinkhole; once
in a while there is a thread that actually relates to writing, I keep
looking for 'em. Glad you found a way to get going again.
Jenandew
"gekko" wrote...
:
: The definition of "writing" is context-sensitive. I put it,
: at its loosest for the purposes of saying "I am a writer" as
: deliberately and creatively putting words down with the intent
: to share those words with a broad audience.
:
: Usenet postings, unfortunately, fit that definition. As I said,
: it's the loosest definition in my book (Hi Golly! Yes, I'm
: defining words again, and opining on them. Gasp!)
So, let me get this straight. You are saying that because you post on this
ng, you are a writer? That's a new one.
:
: I shudder to think about if I had to depend on my writing
: income. I'd be dead by now. Or, possibly, far more disciplined
: in my writing.
(ditto)
Aha! These be words of wisdom!
Annie
Jenandew
"PJ" wrote ...
: "Robert McClelland" <Cr...@interactive.rogers.com> wrote
Wow! YOU get to go to Florida for the weekend when you finish the book?
Hmm . . .
Annie
dogbreath
Please don't try to derail one of the few legitimate threads just to
express your opinion of most of the others.
dogbreath
>Robert McClelland interrupted our regularly scheduled program to report on Sun,
>25 Nov 2001 07:23:45 -0500 (EST) in
><22924-3C...@storefull-1905.public.rogers.webtv.net> that:
>>
>>PJ wrote:
>>>This one's for all of you who continuously
>>> bitch, piss, moan, and whine about the
>>> non-writing-related threads in mw. This is
>>> your chance to talk about whatever you
>>> want--what you've written, works you've
>>> admired that others have written, genre,
>>> writing style, word usage, whatever you want.
>>> Here you go. Now you've no excuse not to
>>> contribute. This is a writing-related thread. An
>>> official writing-related thread.
>>>Any takers?
>>
>>
>>Please don't post off-topic material to this newsgroup. Now do you have
>>any relevent cat-related stories or political views to express here?
>>
>
>Yeah. Or at least talk about chocolate or start a pun thread.
>
>(Sheesh!)
Perhaps it's impossible for a writing-related thread to run more than
two levels deep, but I'm not convinced yet.
dogbreath
>"Robert McClelland" <Cr...@interactive.rogers.com> wrote
>
>: PJ wrote:
>: >This one's for all of you who continuously
>: > bitch, piss, moan, and whine about the
>: > non-writing-related threads in mw. This is
>: > your chance to talk about whatever you
>: > want--what you've written, works you've
>: > admired that others have written, genre,
>: > writing style, word usage, whatever you want.
>: > Here you go. Now you've no excuse not to
>: > contribute. This is a writing-related thread. An
>: > official writing-related thread.
>: >Any takers?
>:
>: Please don't post off-topic material to this newsgroup. Now
>: do you have any relevent cat-related stories or political views
>: to express here?
>
>I knew it. You, the chief pisser and moaner about this newsgroup, and
>you don't have anything writing-related to say. Pffft. But I would
>really like to talk about writing with you, Robert. No really, I
>would. I'm finishing my book now; the manuscript is due to the
>publisher on Friday,
What kind of book is it, PJ? Fic/non? Did you run into bumps and
potholes on the way from start to finish? How did you get around
them?
dogbreath
Here's a suggestion. Accept the fact that you are not a master of
grammar. Look at the way your work reads. Does it compare well with
published material you've read lately? If so, go for it; post it on
AFO for a start. At the same time, keep working on your grammar, when
you learn something new, use it. You will not become a master of
grammar without writing, that much even I know. Just because you
won't move from imperfect to perfect in a single step, don't use that
as an excuse not to move at all.
>I also have a hard time sticking to just several stories at once, as
>noted by my mention of several dozen first drafts being currently worked
>on.
>
>Other than that, I don't have any writing related problems. In fact, for
>any one complaining that their muse has abandoned them recently, it's
>because they are all at my place. I figure I'll end up following the
>Stephen King way of becoming an author. Which is to write as much as
>possible and hope that eventually some piece of crap will finally stick
>to the wall.
Be a pal, pack up one of those extra muses and mail it to me; I suffer
from what may very well be a terminal lack of creativity.
Jenandew
"dogbreath" wrote...
This is a truth that I have known for a very long time. This is why
moderated groups go dead. There is very little value in most writing
related topics due to the limited patience of the posters. There are a few
gems amongst the embers, however. On the other hand, since joining this
group, I've been fearful of what would happen if I were to unleash my muse
on a penis thread.
Annie
Jenandew
"dogbreath" wrote...
:
: Be a pal, pack up one of those extra muses and mail it to me; I suffer
: from what may very well be a terminal lack of creativity.
Nope! I say, sitting on five unfinished novel starts, myself. It is a
surplus of fear. What will happen if you don't finish the novel? What will
happen if you do? Is it fear of failure that nags at you? Or fear of
success?
This minute open the last file you worked on. Read through, making
insignificant corrections to grammar and punctuation and then pick up where
you left off. Forget finishing. Just think about writing for today. Like
an alcoholic, think only of writing for today. Only allow yourself to come
out here and dally once you have written for a minimum period of time.
Annie the Museless
:
gekko
significance of the number 42 in the Hitchhikers' Guide to the
Galaxy series, but DID present the following for evaluation in
misc.writing:
> The biggest problem I have is in the editing.
> My first drafts are pretty rough, as I've forgotten most of the
> rules in regards to writing (note the clunkiness in my posts as
> evidence). Therefore, I have several dozen first drafts for short
> stories or the start of what could be developed into novels. The
> problem is that I have been reading a number of works related to
> grammer and such, and everytime I come across another mistake in
> my writing, it prompts me to go through everything I've written
> and edit for these mistakes.
>
> Needless to say, since there are thousands of rules concerning the
> proper usage of grammer, this process seems endless and I'm
> wondering if I will ever get to the point where any of my work
> will be error free enough to even post to AFO.
An exercise that may help you get over that is to keep
a journal ... there are only one or two rules:
1. write in it every day.
2. do not go back and edit.
freeflow, just writing.
i'll add a third, if you're not doing this:
3. read. read high quality stuff.
watch how your grammar naturally improves as your skills come
back to you. unless you're trying to publish something, do NOT
go back and edit.
>
> I also have a hard time sticking to just several stories at once,
> as noted by my mention of several dozen first drafts being
> currently worked on.
try just one. if there's a work you intend to market, work on
that one. it's a discipline factor. get past the one, then
start worrying about multiple markets.
--
gekko
How come the AT&T symbol looks like the Death Star?
Hugh Watkins
"Jenandew" <jena...@poncacity.net> wrote
snip
So, it comes down to procrastination and perhaps a tad bit of
> self-deprecation.
yes
gradually surfacing from three years of blues
hangin' out with some serious Wittgensteinians
so reading Philosophical Investigations . . well sort of creeping up on it
a Baconian tasting
so mostly writing marginalia
Oh Dear
Hugh W
Stan (the Man)
Jenandew wrote:
Take your best shot. I'm all eyes.
Stan
Jenandew
"Hugh Watkins" wrote...
:
: "Jenandew" <jena...@poncacity.net> wrote
:
: snip
:
: So, it comes down to procrastination and perhaps a tad bit of
: > self-deprecation.
:
: yes
: gradually surfacing from three years of blues
Only three? It is a constant state for me!
:
: hangin' out with some serious Wittgensteinians
: so reading Philosophical Investigations . . well sort of creeping up on
it
: a Baconian tasting
: so mostly writing marginalia
:
: Oh Dear
:
Yes. I see where you began a thread about Dumbo and answered yourself
several times. This might get things started.
Annie
PJ
: Yeah, actually I do. I began writing last April, after not writing
: since school, sixteen years ago. The biggest problem I have is
: in the editing. My first drafts are pretty rough, as I've forgotten
: most of the rules in regards to writing (note the clunkiness in
: my posts as evidence).
: Therefore, I have several dozen first drafts for short stories or
: the start of what could be developed into novels. The problem
: is that I have been reading a number of works related to
: grammer and such, and everytime I come across another
: mistake in my writing, it prompts me to go through everything
: I've written and edit for these mistakes.
I think this is normal. And there are many different ways to
"correctly" write. For example: When I write newspaper articles, and
I've just completed a series of 12 full-page articles on different
career options for students, I use the journalistic style. The AP
Stylebook is helpful with that type of writing (same for magazine
articles). When I write a corporate brochure, I use a different style.
I'm always hoping the client isn't stuffy because my personal writing
style is very conversational, with a more informal flow. If the client
is stuffy, I have to write more formally--I don't enjoy that as much,
but I can do it.
Then there are the Web sites I write, and that's a whole different
style. Web surfers can click out of a site in a heartbeat, so the copy
has to be more succinct than another type of writing.
I do write poetry and short stories, but they are for my own personal
enjoyment. I haven't tried to market any of them. These are where I
believe style can be looser than anywhere else. Same with books.
People who read novels for pleasure don't want formal language; they
want to read things the way words are naturally spoken. At least IMHO.
As for trouble with editing, I suffer with that sometimes--I think
every writer does at one time or another. It's called trying to make
your work as good as possible. The more of a perfectionist you are,
the more you will drive yourself crazy. But all along the way, you'll
be learning how to perfect your work.
: Needless to say, since there are thousands of rules concerning
: the proper usage of grammer, this process seems endless and
: I'm wondering if I will ever get to the point where any of my
: work will be error free enough to even post to AFO.
What I was trying to say above is there is no *one* set of rules that
apply everywhere. It depends on the piece. It depends on the audience.
It depends on the reader.
: I also have a hard time sticking to just several stories at once,
: as noted by my mention of several dozen first drafts being
: currently worked on.
This is probably because you are creative by nature. Do you always
have several books and magazines you're reading at once? I do. Same
with what I'm writing. I think it's typical of writers to be this way.
:
: Other than that, I don't have any writing related problems. In
: fact, for any one complaining that their muse has abandoned
: them recently, it's because they are all at my place. I figure I'll
: end up following the Stephen King way of becoming an
: author. Which is to write as much as possible and hope that
: eventually some piece of crap will finally stick to the wall.
It will.
Jenandew
"Stan (the Man)" suggested...
:
: Jenandew wrote:
: > :
: > This is a truth that I have known for a very long time. This is why
: > moderated groups go dead. There is very little value in most writing
: > related topics due to the limited patience of the posters. There are a
few
: > gems amongst the embers, however. On the other hand, since joining this
: > group, I've been fearful of what would happen if I were to unleash my
muse
: > on a penis thread.
: >
: > Annie
:
: Take your best shot. I'm all eyes.
:
: Stan
Oh, dear! NO, you do not want to see that! I've reached the stage in life
in which hormones rage and do battle. I can think of only one thing, in
truth. This is the main problem with my writing. Everything I write turns
to erotica. Not good erotica. I pant like a bitch in heat. I must keep
myself on a tight leash, considering my meal ticket, and it isn't pretty.
Annie 8^)
:
:
:
PJ
: What kind of book is it, PJ? Fic/non? Did you run into
: bumps and potholes on the way from start to finish? How did
: you get around them?
It is non-fiction, a book on careers in the news media that will be
part of an entire series entitled "Careers for the 21st Century"
targeted at students. The books are housed in school libraries all
over the country. The publisher is based in San Diego.
Bumps? Potholes? You bet. Tons of 'em. I've been writing
professionally for 7 years and the only book I ever wrote was very
different from this. This is brand new territory. I have probably
spent twice the normal amount of time on research and three times the
normal amount of time on writing, and it's because of my inexperience
in this area. My attitude when I first got into it was "A book for
school kids? Feh. Piece o' cake." Not true. The organization, style,
language, everything has to be a certain way, and it's been a huge
learning curve for me. Excellent experience though, and I've loved it.
I hope I get another assignment right on the heels of this one, but
we'll see.
Back to it now.
Stan (the Man)
Jenandew wrote:
Yeah, you're right. Can't think of anything worse than if you somehow shook that
leash.
Yup.
No telling the awful manure that might strike the a/c.
Keep it in check, woman.
I'm just not ready for your free-raging hormones.
Nope.
Not me.
Thank you for your consideration.
Stan (arggggggggh!)
PJ
: "Stan (the Man)" suggested...
<...>
: > On the other hand, since joining this group, I've been fearful
: > of what would happen if I were to unleash my muse on a
: > penis thread.
: : Take your best shot. I'm all eyes.
: :
: : Stan
:
: Oh, dear! NO, you do not want to see that! I've reached the
: stage in life in which hormones rage and do battle
<...>
Has my writing thread been hijacked? Just wondering. I was really
hoping it wouldn't. Oh well.
Ciao,
PJ
SereneBabe
news:Xns91644B40E...@209.155.56.98...
[snip]
> I shudder to think about if I had to depend on my writing
> income. I'd be dead by now. Or, possibly, far more disciplined
> in my writing.
How can I express how much I laughed out loud (a bark?) when I read thi? I
seem to need to use emoticons. Would someone please write a sentence or two
expressing a burst of laughter?
Thank you!
Blanche Nonken
> This one's for all of you who continuously bitch, piss, moan, and
> whine about the non-writing-related threads in mw. This is your chance
> to talk about whatever you want--what you've written, works you've
> admired that others have written, genre, writing style, word usage,
> whatever you want. Here you go. Now you've no excuse not to
> contribute. This is a writing-related thread. An official
> writing-related thread.
>
> Any takers?
Why do I get all gassy when I write?
Robert McClelland
>Here's a suggestion. Accept the fact that you
> are not a master of grammar. Look at the
> way your work reads. Does it compare well
> with published material you've read lately? If
> so, go for it; post it on AFO for a start. At the
> same time, keep working on your grammar,
> when you learn something new, use it. You
> will not become a master of grammar without
> writing, that much even I know. Just because
> you won't move from imperfect to perfect in a
> single step, don't use that as an excuse not to
> move at all.
I've already accepted the fact that I will never be a master grammerian,
but there are minimum standards that must be met.
However, I don't let that stand in my way, at least as far as writing
first drafts is concerned.
Robert McClelland
>2. do not go back and edit.
That's the problem. When I go back to edit any of my previous work, I
get bored with the effort and start up another story. This has led to
several dozen completed first drafts that are poorly written.
Robert McClelland
>Be a pal, pack up one of those extra muses
> and mail it to me; I suffer from what may very
> well be a terminal lack of creativity.
The muses and I are sitting here watching the movie, "Without a Clue,"
staring Michael Caine and Ben Kingsley. If you haven't seen it, it's a
comedy in which Kingsley plays Dr. Watson to Caine's Sherlock Holmes.
The premise of the movie is that Dr. Watson is the genius crime solver
and Holmes is just an actor hired by Watson.
Anyhow, one of the muses mentioned hearing about a theory one time that
Sherlock Holmes, or at least the author of the novels was in fact a
woman. Don't know if it's been done before, but there has to be a story
that can be made out of this theory.
Eliska
>
>"Stan (the Man)" suggested...
>:
>: Jenandew wrote:
>: > :
>: > This is a truth that I have known for a very long time. This is why
>: > moderated groups go dead. There is very little value in most writing
>: > related topics due to the limited patience of the posters. There are a
>few
>: > gems amongst the embers, however. On the other hand, since joining this
>: > group, I've been fearful of what would happen if I were to unleash my
>muse
>: > on a penis thread.
>: >
>: > Annie
>:
>: Take your best shot. I'm all eyes.
>:
>: Stan
>
>Oh, dear! NO, you do not want to see that! I've reached the stage in life
>in which hormones rage and do battle.
Late bloomer, eh?
Jenandew
"Stan (the Man)" wrote...
:
:
Yeah! I noted your comment about not getting any. This is a concept that
defies my ability to comprehend. I'm married to her mate. He went, at my
behest, to see the doctor more than a year ago. The doctor gave him Viagra.
No, not a prescription, but actual pills. They remain untouched. The box
is turning yellow with age. And so, you see, penis threads absolutely drive
me to distraction. I enjoy your tame and touching sexual innuendo. As for
my own two cents on-list, I will stick to politics.
Annie
Jenandew
"PJ" wrote...
: "Jenandew" <jena...@poncacity.net> wrote in
Honestly? Me? Hijack a writing thread? Not so! It looks to me as though
there is room on this ng for a bit of writing related moaning and groaning.
But it doesn't hurt to toss in the thought of a penis once in a while. This
looked like a fairly safe place to do so.
Annie 8^)
dogbreath
>"gekko" <ba0go...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns91644B40E...@209.155.56.98...
>[snip]
>> I shudder to think about if I had to depend on my writing
>> income. I'd be dead by now. Or, possibly, far more disciplined
>> in my writing.
>
>How can I express how much I laughed out loud (a bark?) when I read thi? I
>seem to need to use emoticons. Would someone please write a sentence or two
>expressing a burst of laughter?
>
>Thank you!
>
>--Heather
Sometimes it takes a leap of faith to get yourself going in something.
When everything depends on it, it becomes much easier to concentrate;
at the same time the stress level increases dramatically. This kind
of conflict seems to keep most people at their dayjobs. If there were
no worries about money, would it be easier to write, or easier to
procrastinate? The experiences I've had shows that at least for me it
makes it much easier to procrastinate.
dogbreath
The upside, Annie, is that the "romance novel" genre is the hottest
single seller. Maybe you should let that part of yourself play at the
keyboard, it could help you resolve some issues while making a buck or
two. Your life, your set of problems; everybody has a different
bunch.
dogbreath
Don't give up on it PJ, there's still hope that it will remain
somewhat wr.
Jenandew
"Blanche Nonken" wrote:
:
: Why do I get all gassy when I write?
:
It's from sitting! It helps to get up and walk from time to time.
Annie
PJ
: "PJ" <peggy...@home.com> wrote:
: >Has my writing thread been hijacked? Just wondering. I was
: >really hoping it wouldn't. Oh well.
:
: Don't give up on it PJ, there's still hope that it will remain
: somewhat wr.
I've been guilty of it too, so I'm not criticizing anyone. I was just
hoping, that's all.
Stan (the Man)
Jenandew wrote:
Argggggggggggggggh!
Stan
Jenandew
"dogbreath" wrote...
Yeah. Well, romance is not erotica. Nothing below the waist is named. My
historical fiction was hijacked by an erotica muse and I would really like
to get it back to a more honest depiction of time and place. I love my
characters, I love my setting, the outline is perfection. If only . . .
So you see, I'm on strike. Anybody have a muse they could spare that would
be more tame, more in keeping with what I would be proud to write?
Annie
Jenandew
"Eliska" wrote...
: On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:27:43 GMT, "Jenandew" <jena...@poncacity.net>
Actually, I'd heard this truth in my youth.
Annie (holding fingers to stay within bounds)
dogbreath
>"dogbreath" <reply_t...@nomail.xxx> wrote
>
>: What kind of book is it, PJ? Fic/non? Did you run into
>: bumps and potholes on the way from start to finish? How did
>: you get around them?
>
>It is non-fiction, a book on careers in the news media that will be
>part of an entire series entitled "Careers for the 21st Century"
>targeted at students. The books are housed in school libraries all
>over the country. The publisher is based in San Diego.
Cool, kids these days need all the clues they can find; it was hard
enough in the '60s but it has to be ten times as hard today.
>Bumps? Potholes? You bet. Tons of 'em. I've been writing
>professionally for 7 years and the only book I ever wrote was very
>different from this. This is brand new territory. I have probably
>spent twice the normal amount of time on research and three times the
>normal amount of time on writing, and it's because of my inexperience
>in this area.
Lots of care in vocabulary and writing style for that particular
audience, huh?
Jenandew
"Stan (the Man)" wrote...
:
:
: Jenandew wrote:
:
Even the mention of holey sweat pants . . .
Annie
:
:
Jenandew
"PJ" wrote...
: "dogbreath" <reply_t...@nomail.xxx> wrote
: : "PJ" <peggy...@home.com> wrote:
:
:
: : >Has my writing thread been hijacked? Just wondering. I was
: : >really hoping it wouldn't. Oh well.
: :
: : Don't give up on it PJ, there's still hope that it will remain
: : somewhat wr.
:
: I've been guilty of it too, so I'm not criticizing anyone. I was just
: hoping, that's all.
:
: Ciao,
: PJ
It was too tempting, PJ. I'm sorry. I guess it was just this repressed
sexual drive. I'd been trying so hard not to get started and it just came
out . . .
Annie
PJ
: "PJ" wrote...
No need to apologize to me, I'm not the boss around here.
dogbreath
> For example: When I write newspaper articles, and
>I've just completed a series of 12 full-page articles on different
>career options for students, I use the journalistic style. The AP
>Stylebook is helpful with that type of writing (same for magazine
>articles). When I write a corporate brochure, I use a different style.
>I'm always hoping the client isn't stuffy because my personal writing
>style is very conversational, with a more informal flow. If the client
>is stuffy, I have to write more formally--I don't enjoy that as much,
>but I can do it.
Do you use any automated tools to help with this? I think Word lets
you choose various options for spelling and grammar checking, but I
tend to keep them turned off because most of the time I just want to
use it as a typewriter, not a mentor.
gekko
up three very lovely girls, one of whom was named "Jenandew"
<jena...@poncacity.net>, and she said:
whazzup wrote:
>: Perhaps it's impossible for a writing-related thread to run more
>: than two levels deep, but I'm not convinced yet.
it is improbable. it has happened, but it's usually when
one or two *very* experienced writers have the time and
energy to keep it going with their expert opinions. Those
who are very experienced are often too busy actually writing
to spend too much time in the NG. It's during their off
time that they participate.
> This is a truth that I have known for a very long time. This is
> why moderated groups go dead. There is very little value in most
> writing related topics due to the limited patience of the posters.
Few understand it as you do. Those who do are the ones who
exist most happily in this NG. The ones who whine about the
fact that they, personally, cannot find sufficient writing-related
material here are the ones who refuse to understand that.
> There are a few gems amongst the embers, however.
Precisely, and why, IMO, this group has persisted and thriven
for as long as it has. One may get stoke one's muse by participation
here. One may get ideas for stories, columns, or books by
participation here. One may just be blowing off some time
after having expended a lot of creative energy in writing and
bringing piece to market.
Each person gets what they want out of it. Those who lament
that it isn't what they desire have, in the end, only themselves
to blame. They could try looking at it differently, or they
could just do as Faith does ... quietly, persistently, and
cheerfully post and participate in 99.9% writing-related topics.
Or they could whine about lack of writing-related topics, then
post snide quips when one presents itself.
--
gekko
Why don’t you write books people can read? - Nora Joyce, to her husband
James (1882-1941)
gekko
>
> Why do I get all gassy when I write?
>
>
what do you eat prior to writing? what do you eat *while*
writing? does the act of writing increase your stress levels?
Stan (the Man)
Jenandew wrote:
Them I got.
Stan
Paul Hartman
dogbreath wrote:
> Paul Hartman <hart...@norlight.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >PJ wrote:
> >
> >> This one's for all of you who continuously bitch, piss, moan, and
> >> whine about the non-writing-related threads in mw. This is your chance
> >> to talk about whatever you want--what you've written, works you've
> >> admired that others have written, genre, writing style, word usage,
> >> whatever you want. Here you go. Now you've no excuse not to
> >> contribute. This is a writing-related thread. An official
> >> writing-related thread.
> >>
> >> Any takers?
> >>
> >
> > Hmmmm......... been stalled on fiction WIPs so made the mistake of
> >looking over some of my data for a non-fiction work.... been hooked for
> >the last week. Mostly been editing and arranging tables and such, didn't
> >realize quite how bleeding much data I have. Also got about a dozen pages
> >of concentrated text drafted. Still got lots and lots to do, but the
> >feeling of progress is most pleasing. I think that I needed the change of
> >pace.
>
> I just checked and I have 5 fiction WIPs, all stalled, none with much
> hope of a kickstart. I'm sitting on the ragged edge, wondering why
> I'm still trying to write instead of doing something that amounts to
> turning the crank. Initially I had hopes that MW would somehow help
> in these efforts, but instead it has been primarily a sinkhole; once
> in a while there is a thread that actually relates to writing, I keep
> looking for 'em. Glad you found a way to get going again.
It's an off-and-on kind of thing. I started out trying too hard and
expecting too much and burned myself out rather grandly. Nowadays it's fits
'n' starts, but progress is happening.
Robert McClelland
>Or they could whine about lack of
> writing-related topics, then post snide quips
> when one presents itself.
I think I'll choose this option if it's okay with you.
Hugh Watkins
"Jenandew" <jena...@poncacity.net> wrote
> Yes. I see where you began a thread about Dumbo and answered yourself
> several times. This might get things started.
Well Annie
I wondered what resonance there might be some
writers here but thee is an astonishing lack of *art*.
Except some elegant prose about cats mostly
Dumbo was an astonishing social document
different types of music
All those Crows with black accents
http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/
and the dancing pink elephants . . . quite fantastic.
Anticipating computer graphics in some ways.
if you guys do not care to enlighten me I'll find out myself
Hugh W
***************************************************************************************************
>> In many parts of the country, particularly in the Southern states, blacks were expected to follow certain laws which supported
separtism. Jim Crow laws made it impossible for blacks to move out of the "separate but equal" American experience. <<
>>
"Come listen all you galls and boys,
I'm going to sing a little song,
My name is Jim Crow.
Weel about and turn about and do jis so,
Eb'ry time I weel about I jump Jim Crow."
These words are from the song, "Jim Crow," as it appeared in sheet music written by Thomas Dartmouth "Daddy" Rice. Rice, a
struggling "actor" (he did short solo skits between play scenes) at the Park Theater in New York, happened upon a Black person
singing the above song -- some accounts say it was an old Black slave who walked with difficulty, others say it was a ragged Black
stable boy. Whether modeled on an old man or a young boy we will never know, however, it is clear that in 1828 Rice appeared on
stage as "Jim Crow" -- an exaggerated, highly stereotypical Black character. <<
As a boy we sang some of the old racist songs in 1945 quite innocently.
>> The golliwog image, popular in England and other European countries, is found on a variety of items, including postcards, jam
jars, paperweights, brooches, wallets, perfume bottles, wooden puzzles, sheet music, wall paper, pottery, jewelry, greeting cards,
clocks, and dolls. For the past four decades Europeans have debated whether the Golliwog is a lovable icon or a racist symbol. <<
http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/golliwog/
1895
book, The Adventures of Two Dutch Dolls,
Florence Kate Upton
>> During the first half of the twentieth century, the Golliwog doll was a favorite children's soft toy in Europe. Only the Teddy
Bear exceeded the Golliwog in popularity. Small children slept with their black dolls. <<<
and good marmelade too.
gekko
'bout ol' Cr...@interactive.rogers.com (Robert McClelland), and it went
something like this:
If you can force yourself away from that habit, then do so.
It's amazing how freeing giving yourself permission to make
writing mistakes is. When you know that you're the only
one who'll ever see what's in your journals -- and keep yourself
from looking back on them, too -- then you -can- focus on
just the writing.
I'm quite serious, that most grammar "rules" can be picked up
to a sufficient skill level merely by reading well-written
works. 'Course, it's a trick learning which ones are written
with good grammar, and which ones have the authors breaking
the rules because they know -how- to do so.
I use the NG, sometimes, to help me with grammar. I see
how grammar questions are answered, but, more importantly, I let
the flamers who have impeccable grammar skills have at me. Sometimes
I'll post a grammar "opinion", just to let it get picked to shreds.
I learn what bad habits I've picked up, and have an inkling of
where in Fowler's I can look for more edification.
--
gekko
Whatever women must do they must do twice as well as men to be thought
half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult. --Charlotte Whitton
gekko
'bout ol' Cr...@interactive.rogers.com (Robert McClelland), and it
went something like this:
> I've already accepted the fact that I will never be a master
> grammerian, but there are minimum standards that must be met.
Let AFO help out there. Post practice efforts there. Read
through the responses, look up the ones that correct your grammar
to double-check, and then don't look back. Those "first drafts"
should be only exercises. Save the real first drafts for the
product you wish to complete.
Jenandew
"gekko" wrote...
: It's the story of a lovely lady, who, in misc.writing, was bringing
: up three very lovely girls, one of whom was named "Jenandew"
: <jena...@poncacity.net>, and she said:
:
: whazzup wrote:
: >: Perhaps it's impossible for a writing-related thread to run more
: >: than two levels deep, but I'm not convinced yet.
:
: it is improbable. it has happened, but it's usually when
: one or two *very* experienced writers have the time and
: energy to keep it going with their expert opinions. Those
: who are very experienced are often too busy actually writing
: to spend too much time in the NG. It's during their off
: time that they participate.
Yes. In my experience, the loudest and most supposedly helpful know very
little about writing. If they were writing, they wouldn't have the time to
write so often and so much.
:
:
: > This is a truth that I have known for a very long time. This is
: > why moderated groups go dead. There is very little value in most
: > writing related topics due to the limited patience of the posters.
:
: Few understand it as you do. Those who do are the ones who
: exist most happily in this NG. The ones who whine about the
: fact that they, personally, cannot find sufficient writing-related
: material here are the ones who refuse to understand that.
I do think that these lists are helpful for beginners. I was one once and
enjoyed the company.
:
:
: > There are a few gems amongst the embers, however.
:
: Precisely, and why, IMO, this group has persisted and thriven
: for as long as it has. One may get stoke one's muse by participation
: here. One may get ideas for stories, columns, or books by
: participation here. One may just be blowing off some time
: after having expended a lot of creative energy in writing and
: bringing piece to market.
Exactly.
:
: Each person gets what they want out of it. Those who lament
: that it isn't what they desire have, in the end, only themselves
: to blame. They could try looking at it differently, or they
: could just do as Faith does ... quietly, persistently, and
: cheerfully post and participate in 99.9% writing-related topics.
All I can say is that it is what it is and there is no changing it. The
option is always there to look for a moderated group. But I'd stay here
just for the laughs, if nothing else. I need all I can get.
:
: Or they could whine about lack of writing-related topics, then
: post snide quips when one presents itself.
Shameful! Grumbling has the most unpleasant sound.
Annie
:
Blanche Nonken
> Even the mention of holey sweat pants . . .
Holy Sweat Pants, Batman!
Blanche Nonken
> Everything I write turns
> to erotica. Not good erotica. I pant like a bitch in heat. I must keep
> myself on a tight leash, considering my meal ticket, and it isn't pretty.
If I *need* to write and there's nothing in my head worth writing,
that's what I do.
Blanche Nonken
> It's the story of a lovely lady, who, in misc.writing, was bringing up
> three very lovely girls, one of whom was named Blanche Nonken
> <bla...@newsguy.com>, and she said:
>
> >
> > Why do I get all gassy when I write?
> >
> >
>
> what do you eat prior to writing? what do you eat *while*
> writing? does the act of writing increase your stress levels?
I think it's from gulping air as I write bad erotica to keep from
working on the stupid final draft while sleep deprived.
One more week. One more week. One more week.
Jenandew
"Hugh Watkins" wrote:
: "Jenandew" <jena...@poncacity.net> wrote
:
:
: > Yes. I see where you began a thread about Dumbo and answered yourself
: > several times. This might get things started.
:
:
: Well Annie
:
: I wondered what resonance there might be some
: writers here but thee is an astonishing lack of *art*.
Art? Nay. For this is the place to come when one is bereft of art. One
cannot be judged in a place where all rules can be broken and the breaking
of them is most pleasurable. There is, afterall, no future recompense for
words cast into the void of cyberwind.
:
: Except some elegant prose about cats mostly
:
: Dumbo was an astonishing social document
: different types of music
: All those Crows with black accents
: http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/
I've been beneath the cloud of a migraine today, but intended to follow up
on your posting as soon as I could tolerate it. When my son was very young,
I watched that movie countless times. The points that you made did not pass
my notice. Another Disney classic that intrigues me is Pinnochio.
:
:
: and the dancing pink elephants . . . quite fantastic.
: Anticipating computer graphics in some ways.
I believe that they were the inspiration for the great classic _Fantasia_.
True art.
:
:
: if you guys do not care to enlighten me I'll find out myself
I simply didn't know. I'm sorry. Keep going with it and I'll come out and
play.
Annie
:
:
****************************************************************************
***********************
: >> In many parts of the country, particularly in the Southern states,
:
:
:
Jenandew
"Blanche Nonken" wrote:
:
: > Everything I write turns
: > to erotica. Not good erotica. I pant like a bitch in heat. I must
keep
: > myself on a tight leash, considering my meal ticket, and it isn't
pretty.
:
: If I *need* to write and there's nothing in my head worth writing,
: that's what I do.
That's what I hear. I was guided by a mutual friend to seek your advice.
Annie
:
Blanche Nonken
Jenandew
"Blanche Nonken" wrote...
Aha! You know exactly what I mean!
:
gekko
posted in news:odr20u4qsqfc1nfcf...@4ax.com:
would that be the protagonist?
--
gekko
We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time. - Vince Lombardi
dogbreath
Thanks to one of PJ's posts in this very thread, I now have a 6th
WIP... I'd have specifically thanked her, but it's not real clear
whether having a 6th WIP is a good thing or a bad thing. (Thanks PJ;
either way, at least I've started on something I'm not bored with
yet!)
This one is non-fiction, which for me means it's a matter of turning
the crank enough revolutions to make the copy before I get bored with
the effort.
Perhaps someday fiction will become a matter of turning the crank and
then crafting the output, but somehow I despair of ever being able to
write decent fiction; I'm not sure whether it's a lack of creativity,
or an excessive requirement for believability on my part, nor am I
sure that it makes a difference which is the source of the problem
unless I stumble onto a solution.
At least I'll be typing words again... though I'm still grinding
through the outline phase at present, and probably will be for the
next week at least.
I was going to say how lucky I am that I don't need to make money from
writing, but I need to make money from something sooner or later, and
writing is one of the three things I can do to make it (one of which
is has been stagnating since roughly March).
Hark, herein lies proof that (a) happy hour has begun, and (b) Wild
Turkey causes rambling, innit.
dogbreath
There are people who function best when sleep-deprived, and if you're
one of them you'll find some other excuse to remain in that state. I
think you're one of them, but I'm wrong about 50% of the time, so
maybe you ain't. Still, I think you are; it's not a bad thing, once
you get used to it.
What I expect is that next week you'll be here posting at 4am saying
it's because you're in the habit ot getting up early to make donuts or
whatever. You'll have more time to write, and you'll waste a gob of
it posting. This is just my expectation, and like I said, I'm wrong
about a random amount.
If you're doing what you need to be doing, sleep is irrelevant; when
it becomes necessary, your body falls over and you start snoring.
There is nothing as vitally intense as being "in the groove" writing,
be it code or prose; time disappears, bodily functions suspend
themselves, reality compresses to you and the keyboard, and good stuff
happens. You'd rather sleep? Yeah, like I'm gonna believe that. <g>
dogbreath
That job is taken by most other posters; you can be redundundundant or
you can talk about writing, the choice is yours.
TaniO
(in message <odr20u4qsqfc1nfcf...@4ax.com>):
And it's sound advice, Annie. Blanche told me that about ten months ago and
I haven't been able to post since then. Listen to her.
Alan Hope
programme, like this one from Jenandew, calling from misc.writing:
>"gekko" wrote...
>: The definition of "writing" is context-sensitive. I put it,
>: at its loosest for the purposes of saying "I am a writer" as
>: deliberately and creatively putting words down with the intent
>: to share those words with a broad audience.
>: Usenet postings, unfortunately, fit that definition. As I said,
>: it's the loosest definition in my book (Hi Golly! Yes, I'm
>: defining words again, and opining on them. Gasp!)
>So, let me get this straight. You are saying that because you post on this
>ng, you are a writer? That's a new one.
Nah. It's as old as the hills. It's the Palmer Gambit, lately taken up
by his new best friend Jervis. I'm surprised to see gekko adopt it,
even half-heartedly.
The trouble with such a loose definition is it leaves us with no word
to describe someone who writes for a client, or for an audience which
performs some selection to read your work. Clicking idly on a Usenet
post doesn't really compare with putting down some of your hard-earned
moolah to take a writer's writing home with you. So if a Usenet poster
is a writer, what do we call Saul Bellow, Christopher Hitchens, David
Hare or Germaine Greer?
We're not really doing the same thing they are, are we, here?
--
AH
Jenandew
"Alan Hope", in a moment of wisdom, wrote...
: Coming up next, your comments and questions on issues discussed in the
I hope not! At least, that's not what I'm doing here. I call this avoiding
writing.
Annie
:
:
:
:
:
: --
: AH
:
Jenandew
"TaniO" wrote...
: On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:17:07 -0500, Blanche Nonken wrote
Eweeee! I'm going surfin'
Annie 8^)
:
:
:
PJ
:
: Wow! YOU get to go to Florida for the weekend when you
: finish the book? Hmm . . .
:
: Annie
Yes, I'm going to Florida for the weekend to join some fellow mw
denizens at a wrevel. We've been talking about it in another thread
but you may not have noticed. Maybe you don't even know what a wrevel
is. I sure didn't when I first joined this ng. Hell, I'm not sure I do
even now ... but I'll know when I get there. I'm hearing all kinds of
threats I mean plans.
I can't wait. I need a mini-vacation and have a hotel right on the
beach where I will stay for 3 days. Heaven.
Ciao,
PJ
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Peggy J. Parks
www.pjparks.com
patricia
>My attitude when I first got into it was "A
>book for school kids? Feh. Piece o'
>cake." Not true.
I get this all the time, so it's nice to hear someone else say that writing for
kids is just as hard than writing for adults.
In fact, some of my kid books have been much harder to write than my
adult-level stuff. I wrote a couple of books for third-graders this year --
the youngest audience I've ever targeted -- that were killers, even though they
were fairly short. (One of them is currently on my desk waiting to be revised
for the third time. Bleh!)
And regarding:
>I hope I get another assignment right on
>the heels of this one, but we'll see.
I'm sure you'll get another project right away, PJ, given how talented you are!
:-)
-- patricia
patricia
>Has my writing thread been hijacked?
>Just wondering. I was really
>hoping it wouldn't. Oh well.
Well, if it has, I'll bring it back for you tomorrow. I have a couple of
writing-related things I want to add to it, only I don't have time today.
And BTW -- thanks, PJ, for starting a writing-related thread. It was a real
treat for me to discover it. :-)
-- patricia
Blanche Nonken
> I asked for a puppy. Instead, Blanche Nonken <bla...@newsguy.com>
> posted in news:odr20u4qsqfc1nfcf...@4ax.com:
>
> > "Jenandew" <jena...@poncacity.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Blanche Nonken" wrote:
> >> :
> >> : > Everything I write turns
> >> : > to erotica. Not good erotica. I pant like a bitch in heat.
> >> : > I must
> >> keep
> >> : > myself on a tight leash, considering my meal ticket, and it
> >> : > isn't
> >> pretty.
> >> :
> >> : If I *need* to write and there's nothing in my head worth
> >> : writing, that's what I do.
> >>
> >> That's what I hear. I was guided by a mutual friend to seek your
> >> advice. Annie
> >
> > My advice? The Hitachi Magic Wand.
> >
>
> would that be the protagonist?
Does Harry Potter use one?
Blanche Nonken
> You'd rather sleep? Yeah, like I'm gonna believe that. <g>
Bite me.
Blanche Nonken
I have a friend that bought two. One for home and one to keep in her
trunk, just in case.
Jenandew
"PJ" wrote...
: "Jenandew" <jena...@poncacity.net> wrote
I see. No I didn't know what a wrevel was and yes I did see the thread. It
must have lost me because I quickly lost interest. 8^)
Hope you have a glorious time. It will be a fitting reward for a job well
done. Congratulations!
Annie
PJ
news:20011125192027...@mb-mp.aol.com...
No problem. And where have you been anyway? You're the one who's
solely to blame for the stress I've been under lately, trying to get
this book done in time for my deadline. I need to publicly blame you,
I mean give you exhorbitant amounts of credit for recommending me to
your editor. <g>
Glad you're back. Stick around this time!
PJ
PJ wrote:
:
: >My attitude when I first got into it was "A
: >book for school kids? Feh. Piece o'
: >cake." Not true.
:
: I get this all the time, so it's nice to hear someone else say that
: writing for kids is just as hard than writing for adults.
:
: In fact, some of my kid books have been much harder to write
: than my adult-level stuff. I wrote a couple of books for third-
: that were killers, even though they were fairly short. (One of
: them is currently on my desk waiting to be revised for the third
: time. Bleh!)
I'm glad to hear a more experienced author saying what has been in my
head for the past month. Thanks Patricia, you've made my day.
:
: And regarding:
:
: >I hope I get another assignment right on
: >the heels of this one, but we'll see.
:
: I'm sure you'll get another project right away, PJ, given how
: talented you are! :-)
Someone is going to call you a suck-up, you just wait and see. Others
will undoubtedly call you an imbecile, but I will accept your praise
gratefully and graciously.
Again, you've made my day.
gekko
> That job is taken by most other posters;
palmer, robert, and you. that's three who do the
following:
>>Gekko wrote:
>>> [...] whine about lack of
>>> writing-related topics, then post snide quips
>>> when one presents itself.
since when does three constitute "most" of the
posters of this NG, math boy?
--
gekko
The main accomplishment of almost all organized protests is to annoy
people who are not in them.
dogbreath
>fuckwad <reply_t...@nomail.xxx> yttret omtrent noe slikt:
>
>> That job is taken by most other posters;
>
>palmer, robert, and you. that's three who do the
>following:
>
>>>Gekko wrote:
>>>> [...] whine about lack of
>>>> writing-related topics, then post snide quips
>>>> when one presents itself.
>
>since when does three constitute "most" of the
>posters of this NG, math boy?
You have just posted a snide quip. One of "most" innit.
dogbreath
As in "bite me, honey" or as in "bite me, despicable shitbag"?
gekko
<reply_t...@nomail.xxx> cracked knuckles, set fingers to keyboard
and thought, "the denizens of misc.writing will REALLY be impressed
when they read this!"
Oh goody, yet more proof that you don't know
how to read simple English!
Wanna give it another go, reading-impaired boy? The
quote's still up there, unchanged.
Or should we go over the definition of "sock puppet"
a couple of times to warm you up?
--
gekko
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
-- Galileo Galilei
Blanche Nonken
The former, but not in a particularly erotic tone of voice.
dogbreath
>dogbreath <reply_t...@nomail.xxx> wrote:
>
>> Blanche Nonken <bla...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> >dogbreath <reply_t...@nomail.xxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> You'd rather sleep? Yeah, like I'm gonna believe that. <g>
>> >
>> >Bite me.
>>
>> As in "bite me, honey" or as in "bite me, despicable shitbag"?
>
>The former, but not in a particularly erotic tone of voice.
That's good, if it was in an erotic tone of voice the better half
would have grounds. <g>
gekko
while we're at it, let's read what "Jenandew"
<jena...@poncacity.net> had to say in
news:F68M7.58507$uB.98...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com:
>
> "gekko" wrote...
>
>:
>: The definition of "writing" is context-sensitive. I put it,
>: at its loosest for the purposes of saying "I am a writer" as
>: deliberately and creatively putting words down with the intent
>: to share those words with a broad audience.
>:
>: Usenet postings, unfortunately, fit that definition. As I said,
>: it's the loosest definition in my book (Hi Golly! Yes, I'm
>: defining words again, and opining on them. Gasp!)
>
> So, let me get this straight. You are saying that because you
> post on this ng, you are a writer?
No. The word "unfortunately" was intended to imply
that the above definition was probably too loose to
actually apply. Obviously, the word did not do
its job, properly. I shall chastise it immediately.
> That's a new one.
Actually, -had- that even been close to my claim, and
it wasn't, so sorry, but had it, then no. It isn't new.
Look up "Bill Palmer" in google, if you have insomnia.
<snip>
--
gekko
96.37% of all statistics are made up
Gerald Clough
"Hi, honey. Sorry I'm late. I couldn't get off early, and I was stuck in
traffic for just hours and hours. Is it warm in here?"
(I think it's now standard equipment on the Range Rover. PTO and your
choice of color and hands-free operation.)
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Clo...@Texas.Net
"Nothing has any value unless you know you can give it up."
-----------------------------------------------------------
patricia
>I'm glad to hear a more experienced
>author saying what has been in my
>head for the past month. Thanks Patricia,
>you've made my day.
Glad to be of service! :-)
But regarding:
>Someone is going to call you a suck-up,
>you just wait and see. Others
>will undoubtedly call you an imbecile,
Well, as long as they buy and read my books, they can call me whatever they
want. As for the others -- may the Muse never visit their doorsteps!
And regarding:
>I will accept your praise
>gratefully and graciously.
Well, good! Because you deserve the aforementioned praise. And to those who
say differently . . . well, may the Muse never visit their doorsteps! (Okay,
so I only know one Writers' Curse.)
-- patricia
Jenandew
"gekko" wrote ...
: Could we have kippers for breakfast, Mummy dear, Mummy dear? And,
: while we're at it, let's read what "Jenandew"
: <jena...@poncacity.net> had to say in
: news:F68M7.58507$uB.98...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com:
:
: >
: > "gekko" wrote...
: >
: >:
: >: The definition of "writing" is context-sensitive. I put it,
: >: at its loosest for the purposes of saying "I am a writer" as
: >: deliberately and creatively putting words down with the intent
: >: to share those words with a broad audience.
: >:
: >: Usenet postings, unfortunately, fit that definition. As I said,
: >: it's the loosest definition in my book (Hi Golly! Yes, I'm
: >: defining words again, and opining on them. Gasp!)
: >
: > So, let me get this straight. You are saying that because you
: > post on this ng, you are a writer?
:
: No. The word "unfortunately" was intended to imply
: that the above definition was probably too loose to
: actually apply. Obviously, the word did not do
: its job, properly. I shall chastise it immediately.
I shall too. <g> Unfortunately, that just goes to show that those old
adjectives just don't do the job we like to think they do. I like to use
them and here I feel justified in breaking all the rules. Oh, it feels so
good!
:
:
:
: > That's a new one.
:
: Actually, -had- that even been close to my claim, and
: it wasn't, so sorry, but had it, then no. It isn't new.
: Look up "Bill Palmer" in google, if you have insomnia.
I'm dying for a good night's sleep. The last of my company left this
morning and I'm looking forward to the crash. I'll try to take a look.
There is so much to learn around here! <G>
Annie
Jennifer Rasmussen
"patricia" <sfd...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
<snip>
> I get this all the time, so it's nice to hear someone else say that
writing for
> kids is just as hard than writing for adults.
>
> In fact, some of my kid books have been much harder to write than my
> adult-level stuff. I wrote a couple of books for third-graders this
year --
> the youngest audience I've ever targeted -- that were killers, even though
they
> were fairly short. (One of them is currently on my desk waiting to be
revised
> for the third time. Bleh!)
I think it is much harder to write for children than adults, either
non-fiction or fiction. Aside from the mechanics of adjusting to the
appropriate context and reading level of your audience, there's much more
responsibility when writing for children. No matter what they -- especially
teenagers -- might like you to think, they are less likely to question you
than adults, more likely to listen to and, egads, believe you. Your words
have a bigger impact, and you have to be that much more careful with them.
Personally, I'd love to write some children's fiction, but frankly I just
haven't developed my abilities enough yet.
Eeek,
Jen
Bill Palmer
Nooo! I refuse to belive that any such shocking thing would ever
have a chance of showing up in misc.writing.
Twinkles, the alt.genius.dwarf
Dick
>I can't wait. I need a mini-vacation and have a hotel right on the
>beach where I will stay for 3 days. Heaven.
That's what she thinks.
Dick (heh heh heh) Harper
Lorrill Buyens
<reply_t...@nomail.xxx> ordered a misc.writing pizza with extra
cheese, but got this instead:
>Cr...@interactive.rogers.com (Robert McClelland) wrote:
>
>>PJ wrote:
>>>This one's for all of you who continuously
>>> bitch, piss, moan, and whine about the
>>> non-writing-related threads in mw. This is
>>> your chance to talk about whatever you
>>> want--what you've written, works you've
>>> admired that others have written, genre,
>>> writing style, word usage, whatever you want.
>>> Here you go. Now you've no excuse not to
>>> contribute. This is a writing-related thread. An
>>> official writing-related thread.
>>>Any takers?
>>
>>
>>Please don't post off-topic material to this newsgroup. Now do you have
>>any relevent cat-related stories or political views to express here?
>
>Please don't try to derail one of the few legitimate threads just to
>express your opinion of most of the others.
*Every* thread is legitimate, bucko. It's jus' that some are more
legitimate than others, that's all...
--
Lorrill Buyens
"A load of steaming horse shit could indeed keep a human afloat, for
a tall enough and broad enough load of steaming horse shit."
- Timothy McDaniel, defining waste-product dynamics in AFU
Support the Jayne Hitchcock HELP Fund
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/6172/helpjane.htm
patricia
>And where have you been anyway?
I was at a ski resort over Thanksgiving; before that I was off doing research
for an adult-level historical novel I'm about to start working on.
(And thanks for asking, BTW. Normally nobody around here misses me when I go
away somewhere. <sniff, snuffle>)
But regarding:
>You're the one who's solely to blame for
>the stress I've been under lately,
Blame me all you want, it won't lessen my delight over the fact that you're
writing that book -- and that now I have someone who will understand completely
when I bitch about unrealistic deadlines, tedious revisions, and bad
copyeditors.
(Misery loves company! <g>)
And regarding:
>Glad you're back. Stick around this time!
Thanks for saying this! :-) But if you see me around here *too* much, kick me
in the virtual butt, because it will mean I'm not getting enough work done.
-- patricia
Robert McClelland
>Support the Jayne Hitchcock HELP Fund
>http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/6172/help
>jane.htm
I just clicked on this url and read the overall synopsis of what has
been going on. Quite an unbelieveable story, and from what I read, it's
still ongoing. The whole thing gives credence to the saying, "truth is
stranger than fiction." Hope everything works out well for her in the
end.
On the brighter side, Jayne should be able to write a pretty good novel
from this once the whole situation is resolved and the final outcome is
known. Sure, it's not the best way to come up with a story idea, but you
know, that whole lemons, lemonade thing.
Alma Hromic Deckert
i'm not sure if this is true, but i would suspect that it would have
to be a VERY well disguised novel. i wouldn't put it above the, er,
OTHER party in this matter to sue for libel or something.
A.
Stan (the Man)
Jill wrote:
>
> >"TaniO" wrote...
> : > My advice? The Hitachi Magic Wand.
> :
> : And it's sound advice, Annie. Blanche told me that about ten months ago and
> : I haven't been able to post since then. Listen to her.
>
> Indeed, much of my inspiration comes from my Hitachi Magic Wand.
> If you've never heard of it, you owe it to yourself to check it out:
> http://www.Hitachi-Magic-Wand.com
Geez! Why don't you just use a jackhammer?
Stan
Jenandew
"Jill" wrote...
: >"TaniO" wrote...
: : > My advice? The Hitachi Magic Wand.
: :
: : And it's sound advice, Annie. Blanche told me that about ten months ago
and
: : I haven't been able to post since then. Listen to her.
:
: Indeed, much of my inspiration comes from my Hitachi Magic Wand.
: If you've never heard of it, you owe it to yourself to check it out:
: http://www.Hitachi-Magic-Wand.com
: Jill (delurking)
Gee! And at Amazon.com! Might ought to buy some books while there, too.
8^)
Annie
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