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Gene Royer

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Jul 1, 2004, 6:02:28 AM7/1/04
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Many, but not all Christians pay tithes; and most do so by contributing a
tenth of their net income to the faith-based organization of their choice.
The Bible teaches us to let the government have its share (whatever current
governmental regulations declare it to be) and to give God His share--which
is a tenth of our increase. The OT says to Honor God with the "first
fruits" of our increase.(Proverbs 3: 9)

Well, the devil--demon that he is--is smart enough to know that the more
money churches and other faith-based groups have available to spread the
Gospel, the tougher it's going to be for him to disrupt the peaceful
coexistence of humans in the earth. So, his plan is to have the government
take away as much up front as possible, leaving a lesser net amount that
Christians will use as a standard for paying their tithes.

Liberal demoncrats (whoops, did I misspell that?) are willing accomplices to
his plan. Tax the people more and more, and leave less money for the
spreading of The Good News of Jesus Christ--both abroad and on our own
shores.

In fact, quoting Hillary Clinton: "Many of you are well enough off that ...
the tax cuts may have helped you," Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for
America to get back on
track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're
going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

"The common good". That's a concept right out of the Communist Manifesto,
and it falls right in line with Satan's plan.

Isn't this a great posting?

--Geno

Shaun Rimmer

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"Gene Royer" <sire...@Mindset.net> wrote in message
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<SNIP>

_You befuddled, deluded and misguided old coot._


Shaun aRe - glad *I* could clear that up for *YOU*.


John Kulczycki

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Shaun Rimmer wrote:

What's Geno's jacket size? I want to surprise him with a nice white
jacket with extra long sleeves. The kind that tie in the back. Mrs. Geno
will be so pleased with his new look.

Gene Royer

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"John Kulczycki" <john.ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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That joke's so old. What do you do, get jokes from your third-grade
grandkids? You're such a klutz. Why do you even bother breathing? It's
just a waste of good oxygen.

--Geno


Gaiawar

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Jul 1, 2004, 7:20:52 PM7/1/04
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John Kulczycki <john.ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40E4486D...@sympatico.ca>...

Two liberal parasitic morons replied with insults because they have no
reasonable, sensible, logical or wise arguments worth cudding.

-Gaiawar

Gene Royer

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"Shaun Rimmer" <sh...@newtronic.co.uk> wrote in message
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Well, now there you go again. Insulting me again without provocation. And
then you wonder why I don't hold a pity party for you when you say you've
got family problems. I'm not the least surprised that you do with the kind
of attitude you have toward the God who created you and who sent His only
begotten Son to ransom you from the fires of hell.

God would like to build a hedge around you to protect you from bad things,
as He has for me; but He can't do it because you are so hostile to Him.

Next thing you know, you're enabler who lives in Canada will get on here
saying how much he agrees with you, and otherwise dissing me. Lordy, it
really is a spiritual battle of the good of the world against evil.

But God is great, and God has already won out over evil (it's from the
Bible). I'm just glad He's on my side.

I shouldn't let these things upset me because they are out of my control.
But I'm such a nice guy, that it's hard to let them go.

--Geno<the apple of God's eye>Royer


Gene Royer

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"Gaiawar" <gai...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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I know. It's sad to see these kind spiraling downward to self destruction.
But, what can a body do. If I can muster enough self discipline needed, I
might pray for them. God's ear is tuned in to my prayers, you know.

--Geno<from my mouth to God's ear>Royer


John Kulczycki

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Jul 1, 2004, 9:21:58 PM7/1/04
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Gene Royer wrote:

Gene; have your dumbells been speaking to you again?

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William Penrose

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Jul 1, 2004, 10:08:41 PM7/1/04
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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:02:28 -0500, "Gene Royer" <sire...@Mindset.net>
wrote:

>Isn't this a great posting?

You really talk to Satan? Wow.

Bill Penrose

Thomas Armagost

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Jul 1, 2004, 11:39:23 PM7/1/04
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I'm unable to summon the words... I feel like I'm having a stroke
whenever I try to enter Royer's mindset. I fervently hope that he's
trolling. For the good of my health, I have no choice but to ignore
him.

Millions of Christians carried out Hitler's Final Solution. Next
time they'll call it the War on Satan. I've got to stop thinking
about it. Royer should play with his calico and leave us alone.

PLONK!

--
links <http://www.well.com/user/silly/links.html> si...@well.com
"Don't forget to register to vote" - Frank Zappa

Ray Haddad

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Jul 1, 2004, 11:19:20 PM7/1/04
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:39:23 -0700, Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com> wrote:

>I'm unable to summon the words... I feel like I'm having a stroke
>whenever I try to enter Royer's mindset. I fervently hope that he's
>trolling. For the good of my health, I have no choice but to ignore
>him.
>
>Millions of Christians carried out Hitler's Final Solution. Next
>time they'll call it the War on Satan. I've got to stop thinking
>about it. Royer should play with his calico and leave us alone.
>
>PLONK!

Thomas,

I noted in another post that you are feeling physical ailments over what
transpires here. Perhaps you should simply take a break from USENET for a while.

If I thought your e-mail address was genuine, I'd have sent this by e-mail.
Please don't let your health suffer over disagreements here. They're as
meaningless as frog toupees.

Best Regards,
Ray

I have met the enemy, the gods of SPAM, and I have triumphed.

pandora

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Jul 1, 2004, 11:49:52 PM7/1/04
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"Thomas Armagost" <si...@well.com> wrote in message
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> I'm unable to summon the words... I feel like I'm having a stroke
> whenever I try to enter Royer's mindset.

I don't worry about it. The insane don't upset me. My blood pressure is
118/68. Not bad for an *old* woman.

I fervently hope that he's
> trolling. For the good of my health, I have no choice but to ignore
> him.

Good plan. And yes, I believe he's trolling or insane. Either way, he's
not worth reading or responding to.

> Millions of Christians carried out Hitler's Final Solution. Next
> time they'll call it the War on Satan. I've got to stop thinking
> about it. Royer should play with his calico and leave us alone.
>
> PLONK!

Good plan. I did that long ago.

Marg

Shaun Rimmer

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Jul 2, 2004, 3:41:20 AM7/2/04
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"John Kulczycki" <john.ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
>

Dunno fer sure, but it's a broad chest and pointy shouldered fit that he
needs. Gotta be able to accommodate all that puffing-up.

Shaun aRe

Shaun Rimmer

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Jul 2, 2004, 3:50:16 AM7/2/04
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"Gaiawar" <gai...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Yup, this is true, of course due to your superior clarity of mind and
perception.

Oh, but I'm not a liberal, though - I'm a left wing fella. Oh, and I'm not a
parasite, either - I work for my money and pay my taxes! Also, how can the
truth, be an insult?

Oh well...still, I suppose you weren't far off...

Shaun aRe ',;~}~


Shaun Rimmer

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Jul 2, 2004, 3:56:46 AM7/2/04
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"Gene Royer" <sire...@Mindset.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Shaun Rimmer" <sh...@newtronic.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2kihd5F...@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Gene Royer" <sire...@Mindset.net> wrote in message
> > news:10e7o4h...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > <SNIP>
> >
> > _You befuddled, deluded and misguided old coot._
> >
> >
> > Shaun aRe - glad *I* could clear that up for *YOU*.
> >
>
> Well, now there you go again. Insulting me again without provocation.

That's two 'agains' - one is redundant. That's 'befuddled' covered.

> And
> then you wonder why I don't hold a pity party for you when you say you've
> got family problems.

No, I don't wonder at all, it surprises me not in the least. I didn't write
that for pity - I wrote it to show, that if we allow ourselves, we are
stronger than our troubles. Guess that's 'misguided' out of the way too,
now.

> I'm not the least surprised that you do with the kind
> of attitude you have toward the God who created you and who sent His only
> begotten Son to ransom you from the fires of hell.
>
> God would like to build a hedge around you to protect you from bad things,
> as He has for me; but He can't do it because you are so hostile to Him.
>
> Next thing you know, you're enabler who lives in Canada will get on here
> saying how much he agrees with you, and otherwise dissing me. Lordy, it
> really is a spiritual battle of the good of the world against evil.
>
> But God is great, and God has already won out over evil (it's from the
> Bible). I'm just glad He's on my side.
>
> I shouldn't let these things upset me because they are out of my control.
> But I'm such a nice guy, that it's hard to let them go.

Well, I do not believe in a God, as you do, but I believe in a
personality-less collective consciousness. I believe in love. I am not
hostile toward 'your God' in the least - I just don't believe in a God like
that. So, now we have 'deluded' covered too.


Shaun aRe - those were the facts, not insults.

Gene Royer

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"William Penrose" <spenro...@wowway.com> wrote in message
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Actually, the Bible teaches that believers in Jesus Christ (aka Christians)
have authority over Satan in the Name of Jesus. The Word teaches that when
Christians command Satan in the Name of Jesus, he must obey the command. It
is the Name of Jesus that has the power to command, not the persona of the
man or woman making it.

Non believers scoff, of course, but that is their prerogative.

--Geno<glad I could help you out on that one>Royer


Gene Royer

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"Thomas Armagost" <si...@well.com> wrote in message
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> I'm unable to summon the words... I feel like I'm having a stroke
> whenever I try to enter Royer's mindset. I fervently hope that he's
> trolling. For the good of my health, I have no choice but to ignore
> him.
>
> Millions of Christians carried out Hitler's Final Solution. Next
> time they'll call it the War on Satan. I've got to stop thinking
> about it. Royer should play with his calico and leave us alone.
>
> PLONK!
>


Dear Plonk,

I've never been so insulted in all my life.

--Geno


Archer

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Jul 2, 2004, 5:45:07 AM7/2/04
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Geno wrote:
...
>Well, the devil['s]...plan is to have the government

>take away as much up front as possible, leaving a lesser net amount that
>Christians will use as a standard for paying their tithes HEY! I'M TALKING!
GET AWAY WITH THORAZINE


This is a lie. On the planet Zarg, very good-looking humans humans live
together in peace and harmony, sharing the wealth and the means of production
and reading Marx. Periodically the Zargons visit earth and romance the locals.
Over eons this has given rise to many romantic myths, some with a core of
truth, such as Leda & the Swan, the Lord and the Virgin Mary, and other
"god"-human rolls in the hay. The offspring of these liaisons communicate
telepathically with home and as a result say things such as "Rich man go to
heaven? Ha. Camel go through needle's eye, too." On Zarg the practice of
mating with the carniviorous naked apes of earth is seen as gauche, however,
and the smart money says we will all blow ourselves up in a final thermonuclear
paroxysm of religious and patriotic savagery.


________________________
Short-sheeting the bunks at the Trickle-Down Bible Camp!
http://tunafishnews.blogspot.com/

Gene Royer

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Do you really think it's dumb to pray for people? Are you saying you don't
pray for your loved ones and friends? Do you never commune with God in
prayer?

Jesus taught that we should also pray for our enemies, and the toughest
thing I ever did was kneel down and pray for Bill Clinton. I prayed that
God would have a positive impact on the man's life. In all the nation, I
might have been the only person praying for the poor guy.

If he ever gets his worthless li(f)e turned around, I might have the
privilege of meeting him in Heaven. That's my prayer, anyway.

--Geno


Wendy Chatley Green

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Jul 2, 2004, 7:08:57 AM7/2/04
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For some inexplicable reasons, Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com> wrote:

:Millions of Christians carried out Hitler's Final Solution.

Great line. Can you summarize Stalin's and Pol Pot's
genocides as succinctly?

--
Wendy Chatley Green
wcg...@cris.com

Shaun Rimmer

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"Gene Royer" <sire...@Mindset.net> wrote in message
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There's time yet.


Shaun aRe


Thomas Armagost

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Jul 2, 2004, 10:55:39 AM7/2/04
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In message <cfgae0tihcoploav1...@4ax.com>,

Wendy Chatley Green <wcgreen...@eudoramail.com> wrote:

> Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com> wrote:
>
>: Millions of Christians carried out Hitler's Final Solution.
>
> Great line.

Thoughtful Christians won't have any problem with my observation.
However, I was cynical when I said that there will be a "next time."
It's not too late to stop that from happening. Christians must make
sure that the Final Solution is never attempted again.

> Can you summarize Stalin's and Pol Pot's genocides as succinctly?

Apples and oranges. But I'm glad you mentioned Stalin.

"On the first day of the war, [...] Stalin, in shock, went into
seclusion in his dacha for ten days, drinking himself into a stupor"

<http://media.ucsc.edu/classes/thompson/history30c/16_barbarossa.html>

--
blog <http://www.well.com/user/silly/> si...@well.com

gekko

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Jul 2, 2004, 12:58:25 PM7/2/04
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Okay, so, like, there was this, um, you know, Thomas Armagost
<si...@well.com>, who was all, "You go girl," and then went:


> In message <cfgae0tihcoploav1...@4ax.com>,
> Wendy Chatley Green <wcgreen...@eudoramail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com> wrote:
>>
>>: Millions of Christians carried out Hitler's Final Solution.

<...>


>> Can you summarize Stalin's and Pol Pot's genocides as succinctly?
>
> Apples and oranges.

IOW, "no."


--
gekko

Qvid me anxivs svm?

Alex R.

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"gekko" <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote in message
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I guess you could blame everyone with brown eyes for being participants in
Pol-Pot's and Stalin's plans. Sorta slanty brown eyes, especially. Brown
eyes' have blood on their hands.

With Nazis, if you go along with the Aryan thing... Then it's the blue-eyes'
fault.

It's so much easier to sort em out this way.

AR

Thomas Armagost

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In message <2klu5gF...@uni-berlin.de>,
"Alex R." <alexro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "gekko" <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote

>
>>> Wendy Chatley Green <wcgreen...@eudoramail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com> wrote:
>
>>>>: Millions of Christians carried out Hitler's Final Solution.
>
>>>> Can you summarize Stalin's and Pol Pot's genocides as
>>>> succinctly?
>
>>> Apples and oranges.
>
>> IOW, "no."
>
> I guess you could blame everyone with brown eyes for being
> participants in Pol-Pot's and Stalin's plans. Sorta slanty brown
> eyes, especially. Brown eyes' have blood on their hands.
>
> With Nazis, if you go along with the Aryan thing... Then it's the
> blue-eyes' fault.
>
> It's so much easier to sort em out this way.

Very funny. For what it's worth, Hitler wanted to bring back the
Pagan gods of the Teutons such as Wotan. The fact remains that the
vast majority of Hitler's followers were Christians.

Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive? I don't expect
Christians to feel guilty. I expect them to be vigilant. It takes
some humility to admit that believers in the Prince of Peace have
done some terrible things here and there in human history. Until
you're willing to admit that, you won't be able to protect yourself
from doing terrible things. Stare into the abyss.

The Jews were branded cowardly traitors. Homosexuals were forced to
wear the pink triangle. Communists, Gypsies, the mentally ill, and
the mentally retarded were targeted for death. Socialists were
persecuted. So were artists judged to be degenerate.

"From now on--of this you can be certain--all those mutually
supporting and thereby sustaining cliques of chatterers, dilettantes,
and art forgers will be picked up and liquidated." - Adolf Hitler

The Philadelphia Museum of Art
<http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/provenance/degenerate.shtml>
sez:

"From the moment they came to power, the Nazis launched a vicious
campaign against art they designated 'degenerate', a category that
included all modernist art, especially abstract, Cubist,
Expressionist, and Surrealist art. Thus Picasso, Matisse, Klee,
Kandinsky, Kirchner, and even nineteenth-century Impressionist and
Post-Impressionist artists including Renoir, Degas, Cézanne and Van
Gogh, were reviled as exponents of avant-garde art movements that
were considered intellectual, elitist, foreign, and socialist-
influenced. Jewish artists such as Marc Chagall were, of course,
singled out for special condemnation."

I'm "socialist-influenced." I'm Jewish-influenced, too. I've
watched one too many Marx Brothers movies. Woody Allen, Larry
David, Gilda Radner. My goose is cooked.

"The avant-garde artist was equated to the insane, who in turn was
synonymous with the Jew: the ninteenth-century founders of German
psychiatry felt that the Jew was inherently degenerate and more
susceptible than the non-Jew to insanity."

Art of the insane. <http://astro.temple.edu/~bigred76/150/hdk.html>
The Nazis opened a Degenerate Art exhibit in Munich on July 19,
1937. On display were over 650 works deemed unacceptable to the
Third Reich. <http://tinyurl.com/3e7tq> Included in the exhibit
were the German Expressionists. <http://tinyurl.com/2xvrj>

Jazz music is insane and decadent. Crazy, man, crazy. "Any music
that demonstrated abstract expressionism, jazz, or experimented with
'atonality' was prohibited. [...] Famous works by Mendelssohn,
Mahler, and Schoenberg were used as examples of unacceptable music."

Of course you've heard about the book burnings. Fahrenheit 451.
Hitler is the closest thing to Satan that humanity has ever seen
in the flesh. Newsreel and propaganda footage has immortalized this
incarnation of evil.

Wendy Chatley Green

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For some inexplicable reasons, si...@well.com (Thomas Armagost) wrote:

:In message <2klu5gF...@uni-berlin.de>,


:"Alex R." <alexro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>
:> "gekko" <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote
:>
:>>> Wendy Chatley Green <wcgreen...@eudoramail.com> wrote:
:>>>> Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com> wrote:
:>
:>>>>: Millions of Christians carried out Hitler's Final Solution.
:>
:>>>> Can you summarize Stalin's and Pol Pot's genocides as
:>>>> succinctly?
:>
:>>> Apples and oranges.
:>
:>> IOW, "no."
:>
:> I guess you could blame everyone with brown eyes for being
:> participants in Pol-Pot's and Stalin's plans. Sorta slanty brown
:> eyes, especially. Brown eyes' have blood on their hands.
:>
:> With Nazis, if you go along with the Aryan thing... Then it's the
:> blue-eyes' fault.
:>
:> It's so much easier to sort em out this way.
:
:Very funny. For what it's worth, Hitler wanted to bring back the
:Pagan gods of the Teutons such as Wotan. The fact remains that the
:vast majority of Hitler's followers were Christians.
:
:Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive?

I distinguish between active Christians who live their beliefs
and social Christians who go through the motions because their parents
or society expect it of them. The majority of church-goers are social
Christians. This is akin to Josh and Davida's discussion of
Jewishness--Josh is a social Jew; Davida an active one.

An active Christian will choose (or attempt to chose insofar
as ihs abilities and circumstances will allow) his beliefs over
worldly demands. A social Christian will go along with worldly
demands rather than make a fuss. Most of those who followed Hitler,
IMO, were social Christians. I don't need to know who were whom; God
will judge them accurately and fairly.

: I don't expect

:Christians to feel guilty. I expect them to be vigilant. It takes
:some humility to admit that believers in the Prince of Peace have
:done some terrible things here and there in human history. Until
:you're willing to admit that, you won't be able to protect yourself
:from doing terrible things. Stare into the abyss.

Good advice for all of mankind.

Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady

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NOTE: My Correct Address is in my signature (just remove the spaces).

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 07:40:17 -0400, Wendy Chatley Green
<wcgreen...@eudoramail.com> wrote:

> I distinguish between active Christians who live their beliefs
>and social Christians who go through the motions because their parents
>or society expect it of them. The majority of church-goers are social
>Christians. This is akin to Josh and Davida's discussion of
>Jewishness--Josh is a social Jew; Davida an active one.

In truth, Josh isn't even a 'social Jew'. He has some Jewish
ancestors, and grew up around Jews. Perhaps you could call it
'socializes with Jews'.

(You know, like "dances with wolves".)

--
Davida Chazan (The Chocolate Lady)
<davidac AT jdc DOT org DOT il>
~*~*~*~*~*~
"What you see before you, my friend, is the result of a lifetime of
chocolate."
--Katharine Hepburn (May 12, 1907 - June 29, 2003)
~*~*~*~*~*~

gekko

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"If this doesn't crash Usenet, nothing will," si...@well.com (Thomas
Armagost) said as the button was pushed to send
news:c873971e.0407...@posting.google.com out into
misc.writing to proclaim:


> In message <2klu5gF...@uni-berlin.de>,
> "Alex R." <alexro...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<...>


>> It's so much easier to sort em out this way.
>
> Very funny. For what it's worth, Hitler wanted to bring back the
> Pagan gods of the Teutons such as Wotan. The fact remains that
> the vast majority of Hitler's followers were Christians.

The majority of the country consisted of Christians, Thomas.


>
> Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive?

Is yours?

> I don't expect
> Christians to feel guilty. I expect them to be vigilant.

I expect the majority of people to be sheep, with a few who are, in
fact, vigilant. And, back then, there were those few.


>
> The Jews were branded cowardly traitors. Homosexuals were forced
> to wear the pink triangle. Communists, Gypsies, the mentally ill,
> and the mentally retarded were targeted for death. Socialists
> were persecuted. So were artists judged to be degenerate.

All the fault of Christianity, per your argument, because the
majority of the sheeple who followed the siren call of Hitler's
promises did not stand up. Damn the few who did.

Okay, THomas. Let's now extend your reasoning to Islam, shall we?

The majority of those who followed Hussein's and bin Laden's and the
Hizbollah's and other despotic/terrorist rulers are Muslim.

Did I say "Majority"? Fuck. *All* of those who follow those reigns
of murder and terror are Muslim, Thomas.

Go ahead and make your observations concerning them. Pay special
attention to Palestinians, since bin Laden used the Palestinian
"condition" as one of his main reasons for his attack on the US on
September 11, 2001.

Do you see the flaw in your observation?

> Of course you've heard about the book burnings. Fahrenheit 451.
> Hitler is the closest thing to Satan that humanity has ever seen
> in the flesh. Newsreel and propaganda footage has immortalized
> this incarnation of evil.

Pol Pot, Hussein, Milosevic ... there are people who are warped,
twisted, driven and who choose the path of evil.


--
gekko

Men have become the tools of their tools. - Henry David Thoreau
(1817-1862)

Wendy Chatley Green

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For some inexplicable reasons, Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady
<7zcm...@sneakemail.com> wrote:

:NOTE: My Correct Address is in my signature (just remove the spaces).


:On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 07:40:17 -0400, Wendy Chatley Green
:<wcgreen...@eudoramail.com> wrote:
:
:> I distinguish between active Christians who live their beliefs
:>and social Christians who go through the motions because their parents
:>or society expect it of them. The majority of church-goers are social
:>Christians. This is akin to Josh and Davida's discussion of
:>Jewishness--Josh is a social Jew; Davida an active one.
:
:In truth, Josh isn't even a 'social Jew'. He has some Jewish
:ancestors, and grew up around Jews. Perhaps you could call it
:'socializes with Jews'.
:
:(You know, like "dances with wolves".)

Mental image of Josh running naked with a pack of Jews (a la
Charles Martin Smith in _Never Cry Wolf_)

Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady

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(Please NOTE: My correct e-mail address is in my Signature) On Sun, 04
Jul 2004 11:52:44 -0400, during the misc.writing Community News Flash
Wendy Chatley Green <wcgreen...@eudoramail.com> reported:

Sounds right to me!

--
Davida Chazan (The Chocolate Lady)
<davidac AT jdc DOT org DOT il>
~*~*~*~*~*~
"What you see before you, my friend, is the result of a lifetime of
chocolate."
--Katharine Hepburn (May 12, 1907 - June 29, 2003)
~*~*~*~*~*~

Links to my published poetry - http://davidachazan.homestead.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~

William Penrose

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arch...@aol.com (Archer) wrote in message news:<20040702054507...@mb-m19.aol.com>...
> ... the smart money says we will all blow ourselves up in a final thermonuclear

> paroxysm of religious and patriotic savagery.

I've got 20 dollars on it. I stand to collect over $100 after the Apocalypse.

Bill Penrose

Thomas Armagost

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Jul 4, 2004, 6:24:28 PM7/4/04
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In message <Xns951C50CD...@news.mbue.de>,
gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> si...@well.com (Thomas Armagost) said

>
>> For what it's worth, Hitler wanted to bring back the Pagan gods of
>> the Teutons such as Wotan. The fact remains that the vast
>> majority of Hitler's followers were Christians.
>
> The majority of the country consisted of Christians, Thomas.

Yes, that's why I mentioned Nazi Germany. I'm surprised that no one
has cited Godwin's Law.

>> Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive?
>
> Is yours?

I'm defending my words, yes.

>> I don't expect Christians to feel guilty. I expect them to be
>> vigilant.
>
> I expect the majority of people to be sheep, with a few who are,
> in fact, vigilant. And, back then, there were those few.

In 1933, a German artist named Otto Dix painted a work that he titled
The Seven Deadly Sins.
<http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Express/ex7.htm>
"The figure of Sloth is prominently featured because the artist
blamed the German people's lack of alarm and concern as a primary
reason for the Nazis rise to power."

> All the fault of Christianity, per your argument, because the
> majority of the sheeple who followed the siren call of Hitler's
> promises did not stand up.

I didn't blame Christianity. I said that Christians are capable of
doing terrible things. My observations were in response to Geno's
troll about "Satan's plan."

> Damn the few who did.

Actually, I praised the German Expressionist artists. Some of them
were Christians. But you snipped that part out.

> Okay, THomas. Let's now extend your reasoning to Islam, shall we?

Apples and oranges.

Ray Haddad

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Jul 4, 2004, 11:38:38 PM7/4/04
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On 4 Jul 2004 15:24:28 -0700, si...@well.com (Thomas Armagost) wrote:

>In message <Xns951C50CD...@news.mbue.de>,
>gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> si...@well.com (Thomas Armagost) said
>>
>>> For what it's worth, Hitler wanted to bring back the Pagan gods of
>>> the Teutons such as Wotan. The fact remains that the vast
>>> majority of Hitler's followers were Christians.
>>
>> The majority of the country consisted of Christians, Thomas.
>
>Yes, that's why I mentioned Nazi Germany. I'm surprised that no one
>has cited Godwin's Law.

It's not a law. It's a suggestion. These newsgroups are anarchistic and defy all
law.

gekko

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Jul 4, 2004, 11:49:52 PM7/4/04
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Hey!  si...@well.com (Thomas Armagost)!  It's been a long time! How
ya been?  Last time i saw you, you were posting in misc.writing and
wrote this:


> In message <Xns951C50CD...@news.mbue.de>,
> gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> si...@well.com (Thomas Armagost) said
>>
>>> For what it's worth, Hitler wanted to bring back the Pagan gods
>>> of the Teutons such as Wotan. The fact remains that the vast
>>> majority of Hitler's followers were Christians.
>>
>> The majority of the country consisted of Christians, Thomas.
>
> Yes, that's why I mentioned Nazi Germany.

Rather tough for the peeps to be, say, Cthuluans, then, is it not?


> I'm surprised that no
> one has cited Godwin's Law.

That old thing?

>
>>> Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive?
>>
>> Is yours?
>
> I'm defending my words, yes.

Well, duh. I mean, it's clear you're not defending anything you
actually believe in. Else you'd probably not belittle someone who
is.

<...>


>> All the fault of Christianity, per your argument, because the
>> majority of the sheeple who followed the siren call of Hitler's
>> promises did not stand up.
>
> I didn't blame Christianity. I said that Christians are capable
> of doing terrible things.

Everyone's capable of doing terrible things, Thomas. You're fully
aware of the implications of your words, I would hope.

> My observations were in response to
> Geno's troll about "Satan's plan."

A troll's troll. Christians also fulfill Satan's plan.


>> Okay, THomas. Let's now extend your reasoning to Islam, shall
>> we?
>
> Apples and oranges.

Both of those are round fruit. Did you ever notice?

I have no idea what Geno's chortling on about as I've not read his
post. I only started reading when I saw Wendy following you up,
because I can guarantee entertainment then.

--
gekko

Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese --
Steven Wright

Bob (this one)

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Jul 5, 2004, 1:41:46 AM7/5/04
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gekko wrote:

> Well, duh. I mean, it's clear you're not defending anything you
> actually believe in. Else you'd probably not belittle someone who
> is.

Yes, well...

Pastorio

Thomas Armagost

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Jul 5, 2004, 8:35:31 AM7/5/04
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In message <Xns951CD3D71...@news.mbue.de>,
gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:

> it's clear you're not defending anything you actually believe in.
> Else you'd probably not belittle someone who is.

I'd belittle a Nazi. Anti-Nazism is something that I "believe in."

I've been called a coward about a half dozen times. Who have I
belittled?

What do you actually "believe in?"

--
links <http://www.well.com/user/silly/links.html> si...@well.com

gekko

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Jul 5, 2004, 11:47:14 AM7/5/04
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Most are too long, Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com>, so this is your
attribution:

> In message <Xns951CD3D71...@news.mbue.de>,
> gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> it's clear you're not defending anything you actually believe in.
>> Else you'd probably not belittle someone who is.
>
> I'd belittle a Nazi. Anti-Nazism is something that I "believe in."

I think you understood what I meant, Thomas.


>
> I've been called a coward about a half dozen times. Who have I
> belittled?

Wendy.

>
> What do you actually "believe in?"
>

Puppies and kittens. Free, high-quality chocolate for all who want
it. Size 8 capris and kicky shooz. Raspberries fresh from the bush
(a raspberry bush, not a President, hello). A dog that does NOT have
an upper-respiratory infection and who is NOT blowing dog snockers
all over my formerly clean tile floors. Snuggling with your sweetie.
Whapping puffy, overblown Usenet idiots. A return to full-sized
comic strips taking up more than a half-page in the daily paper.
Being free from v!@gr@ and b1g d!ck spam. And all other spam.
Walking barefoot through warm rain puddles. Splashing in the surf.
Making goofy faces at babies to get them to smile. Entertaining
myself. Driving a blue Miata with the top down in the cool of a
spring evening. Being the boss of everyone so that I can make them
all wear 'Tude Rags with little flags on them. Officially changing
Sylvia's name to "Perkette." Oh, and brown paper packages tied up
with strings. Addressed to me. Containing toys and goodies, rather
than bombs or biological agents.

How 'bout you?

--
gekko

All reports are in. Life is now officially unfair.

Donna deMedicis

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Jul 5, 2004, 1:28:51 PM7/5/04
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gekko wrote:

> Walking barefoot through warm rain puddles.

One of those things that sound better in theory than reality. Mud slogging.

Donna

gekko

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Jul 5, 2004, 1:39:08 PM7/5/04
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Could we have kippers for breakfast, Mummy dear, Mummy dear? And,
while we're at it, let's read what Donna deMedicis
<adl...@mindspring.com> had to say in
news:ndgGc.2717$sD4...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:

Ooh! Mud! Squishy warm mud, sluicing up through your toes.

Better -- the salty, mineral-laden mud by the Dead Sea. Rolling in
it, reveling in it. Ahhh, mud.


--
gekko

I never asked for proof of your insanity. I was content to merely
suspect it.

Donna deMedicis

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Jul 5, 2004, 1:47:52 PM7/5/04
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gekko wrote:

> Could we have kippers for breakfast, Mummy dear, Mummy dear? And,
> while we're at it, let's read what Donna deMedicis
> <adl...@mindspring.com> had to say in
> news:ndgGc.2717$sD4...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>
>
>
>>
>>gekko wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Walking barefoot through warm rain puddles.
>>
>>One of those things that sound better in theory than reality. Mud
>>slogging.
>
>
> Ooh! Mud! Squishy warm mud, sluicing up through your toes.
>
> Better -- the salty, mineral-laden mud by the Dead Sea. Rolling in
> it, reveling in it. Ahhh, mud.
>

You went over there and rolled in the mud. And you wonder why they call
us Ugly Americans ...

gekko

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Jul 5, 2004, 3:09:43 PM7/5/04
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Donna deMedicis <adl...@mindspring.com> put the bop in the
bop-shoo-bop-shoo-bop, and, furthermore, said:

I suppose I was a tad ugly, back then. Nineteen hundred and ninety-
six, it was. I had to shove the obese French woman out of the pit so
I could take my turn in it.

For some reason, others around us started exchanging money and
shouting with excitement.


--
gekko

Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on
society.

Thomas Armagost

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Jul 5, 2004, 9:09:18 PM7/5/04
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In message <Xns951D59500...@news.mbue.de>,
gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:

>> Who have I belittled?
>
> Wendy

You think that I'm capable of belittling Wendy?

Where in this thread did I belittle Wendy?

--
blog <http://www.well.com/user/silly/> si...@well.com

gekko

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Jul 5, 2004, 10:09:54 PM7/5/04
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Hey!  si...@well.com (Thomas Armagost)!  It's been a long time! How
ya been?  Last time i saw you, you were posting in misc.writing and
wrote this:

> In message <Xns951D59500...@news.mbue.de>,
> gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Who have I belittled?
>>
>> Wendy
>
> You think that I'm capable of belittling Wendy?

That would be a different question. Whether you're capable or not
has naught to do with what you intended to do.


>
> Where in this thread did I belittle Wendy?
>

"Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive?"

--
gekko

The artist is nothing without the gift, but the gift is nothing
without work. - Emile Zola (1840-1902)

Ray Haddad

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On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:47:14 GMT, gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid>
wrote:

>Whapping puffy, overblown Usenet idiots.

Hang out a shingle:

"Sacred cows tipped - 5c"

Thomas Armagost

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In message <Xns951DC2F4D...@news.mbue.de>,
gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:

>> Where in this thread did I belittle Wendy?
>
> "Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive?"

I didn't say "Shall we trifle with Wendy?"

gekko

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Jul 6, 2004, 5:49:52 PM7/6/04
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In <silly-08BDCC....@corp.supernews.com>, Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com> cracked knuckles, set fingers to keyboard and thought, 'the denizens of misc.writing will REALLY be impressed when they read this!'

> In message <Xns951DC2F4D...@news.mbue.de>,
> gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> Where in this thread did I belittle Wendy?
> >
> > "Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive?"
>
> I didn't say "Shall we trifle with Wendy?"

So? You were patronizing, Thomas. You held yourself as being
superior. That's "belittling". Deal with it.

--
gekko

I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts. - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (1859-1930), Sherlock Holmes

Thomas Armagost

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Jul 6, 2004, 9:50:49 PM7/6/04
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In message <slrncem7jv....@enews2.newsguy.com>,
gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:

>>>> Where in this thread did I belittle Wendy?
>
>>> "Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive?"
>
>> I didn't say "Shall we trifle with Wendy?"
>
> So? You were patronizing, Thomas. You held yourself as being
> superior. That's "belittling". Deal with it.

I would have been patronizing if I'd treated her like a "little
lady."

Wendy can take care of herself. I would apologize to her if I felt
that an apology was due. I think that my reaction to her
observation makes sense in context. In this war of words, the
opponent was worthy, the combat was honorable. That was my
attitude. I certainly have no intention of plonking Wendy.

Stan (the Man)

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Jul 6, 2004, 9:31:59 PM7/6/04
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Thomas Armagost wrote:

> In message <slrncem7jv....@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>Where in this thread did I belittle Wendy?
>>
>>>>"Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive?"
>>
>>> I didn't say "Shall we trifle with Wendy?"
>>
>>So? You were patronizing, Thomas. You held yourself as being
>>superior. That's "belittling". Deal with it.
>
>
> I would have been patronizing if I'd treated her like a "little
> lady."
>
> Wendy can take care of herself. I would apologize to her if I felt
> that an apology was due. I think that my reaction to her
> observation makes sense in context. In this war of words, the
> opponent was worthy, the combat was honorable. That was my
> attitude. I certainly have no intention of plonking Wendy.

Easier to list the people you're *not* plonking now, eh, Thomas?

--
Stan

Wendy Chatley Green

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Jul 6, 2004, 9:36:42 PM7/6/04
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For some inexplicable reasons, Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com> wrote:

:In message <slrncem7jv....@enews2.newsguy.com>,


:gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:
:
:>>>> Where in this thread did I belittle Wendy?
:>
:>>> "Was Wendy's reaction perhaps a trifle defensive?"
:>
:>> I didn't say "Shall we trifle with Wendy?"
:>
:> So? You were patronizing, Thomas. You held yourself as being
:> superior. That's "belittling". Deal with it.

I guess it's time for the usual announcement:

Hey, Nancy--if I ever need you to ride to my defense, I'll let
you know. Since I haven't notified you, I don't need your defense.

Pick on Thomas or anyone else all you want, but not in my
stead or on my behalf.

gekko

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Jul 7, 2004, 12:14:02 AM7/7/04
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Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the
way before it is understood. Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com>, who
posted in misc.writing on 06 Jul 2004 demonstrates this principle in
this way:


> I would have been patronizing

Thomas, you can redefine it to suit yourself all you wish. The plain
fact remains that you're a bigot. I don't really care *who* it was
you were belittling, and I don't care if they can defend themselves
or not, since I'm not interested in the fact that you feel it
necessary to belittle people when they state their beliefs. I'm
merely pointing out a truth: You are a killfiling coward who has to
make himself feel "big" by belittling Christianity.

Live with it, man, and stop being so defensive.

--
gekko

When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I致e
never tried before. - Mae West (1892-1980)

gekko

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Jul 7, 2004, 12:17:45 AM7/7/04
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Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the
way before it is understood. Wendy Chatley Green
<wcgreen...@eudoramail.com>, who posted in misc.writing on 06 Jul
2004 demonstrates this principle in this way:


> ride to my defense,

I'm not riding to your defense, Wendy, take a deep breath and relax,
thank you kindly. Too bad that your name happened to be involved but
it was, and you were a useful example. If you don't like being an
example, stop posting so that your name doesn't show up.

> Pick on Thomas or anyone else all you want,

Thanks for the permission.

> but not in my
> stead or on my behalf.

Your head is way too big, here. Perhaps before believing Thomas's
mischaracterisation, you could take the time to read the thread and
notice your name came into it only when he asked me, after I'd
berated him for his nonsense, who he was belittling. I don't really
care *who*, nor even *why*. I pointed out a fact. That's my
perogative.

Thomas Armagost

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Jul 7, 2004, 9:32:29 AM7/7/04
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In message <Xns951ED7FF1...@news.mbue.de>,
gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:

> Thomas, you can redefine it to suit yourself all you wish. The
> plain fact remains that you're a bigot.

That's a lie.

> You are a killfiling coward who has to make himself feel "big" by
> belittling Christianity.

How could I possibly belittle Christianity? I'm a tiny fleck of
dandruff in the giant shadow of Michaelangelo. The history, hundreds
of years... I can't begin to tell you. There's not enough bandwidth.
I'm dwarfed into insignificance.

> Live with it, man, and stop being so defensive.

I killfiled billo and Geno because of personal attacks. I killfiled
Lutz because his comments are undeserving of a response. I don't
know why I haven't killfiled Stan yet.

I'm poaching on Zero's turf.

PLONK!

Stan (the Man)

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Jul 7, 2004, 9:17:17 AM7/7/04
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Thomas Armagost wrote:

> In message <Xns951ED7FF1...@news.mbue.de>,
> gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:

<...>

>>Live with it, man, and stop being so defensive.
>
>
> I killfiled billo and Geno because of personal attacks. I killfiled
> Lutz because his comments are undeserving of a response. I don't
> know why I haven't killfiled Stan yet.

Get out! You haven't killfiled me yet? What am I doing wrong? Too
entertaining, perhaps? Angling for a free cigar? Some bbq? Point the way
for me. I'm willing to try harder, I swear.

> I'm poaching on Zero's turf.
>
> PLONK!

Man, you're making Pussy-boy look like an amateur.

--
Stan

Gene Royer

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Jul 7, 2004, 9:25:51 AM7/7/04
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"Stan (the Man)" <sk...@NOSPAMoptonline.net.INVALID> wrote in message
news:xJSGc.69092$kz.13...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...

This is funny as all get out. I don't even know who Thomas Armagost is, and
the dude has killfiled me. That's a waste of killfile space. I gladly give
my space up to someone more deserving.

--Geno


fundoc

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Jul 7, 2004, 10:16:45 AM7/7/04
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"Thomas Armagost" <si...@well.com> wrote in message
news:silly-1CE532....@corp.supernews.com...

> I killfiled billo and Geno because of personal attacks. I killfiled
> Lutz because his comments are undeserving of a response. I don't
> know why I haven't killfiled Stan yet.
>
> I'm poaching on Zero's turf.
>
> PLONK!

We'll get back to de whimp
and his low-budget conceptium of personal freedom
in just a moment.
But foist, welcome to:
What de fuck gwine on here?
A celebratium o' de American way o' life!
I see some y'all be FROWNIN'...
'cause mebbe y'think what I's tellin' ya' is a LIE!
Am I right?
Les' jes' have a test...
How many o' you nice folks think I knows what I's talkin'
'bout?
RAISE Y'HAIN UP!
Uh-huh!
An' how many thinks my potato been bakin' too long?
RAISE YO MIZZABLE HAIN UP!
Uh-huh!
Now...how many you folks is CONVINCED
de gubnint be totally 'UNCONCERNED'
wit de proliferatium o' UNDESIRABLE TENANTS
in de CONDOMINIUM o' LIFE?
An' how many folks believe THEY number won't come up,
next time de breeze blow fum de Easterly directium?
Les' face it, peoples!
Ugly as I mights be,
I AM YO' FUTCHUM!
Ain't that right, SISTER OB'DEWLLA?
Hmm hmm! Oh, oh yeah! Thass right!

Senator Gorton?

Mr. Zappa, I ah, am astounded at the ah,
courtesy and soft-voiced ah,
nature of the comments of my friend
the senator from Tennessee.
I can only say that I find your statement
to be boorish, ah, incredibly and ah,
insensitively insulting the people who were here previously.
That you could manage
to get the first amendment
of the Constitution of the United States
a bad name - if I doubt that you have the slightest
understanding of it - which I do not,
and have the slightest understanding of the difference between
government action and private action.
And ah, you have certainly destroyed any case
you might otherwise have had with this senator.
Thank you Mr. Chairman.

Is this private action?

I don't think this is constitutional...
The voluntary labelling is NOT censorship...
Bend up and smell my anal vapor!
The voluntary...voluntary...voluntary...
...is not censorship...
De-de-de-de-degradation...humiliation...
Is this private action?
In chains...
Listen you little slut...
There-there-there...
There's no absolute rock...
There's no absolute rock...
Well... ... Bend up and smell my anal vapor!
There-there-there...
There's no... There's no...
Mr. Zappa, thank you very much for your testimony.
Thank you.
Next witness is John Denver...

gekko

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Jul 7, 2004, 1:54:10 PM7/7/04
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So it isn't a triple-dark-fudge brownie with a scoop of vanilla bean icecream on top, but Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com> did write something interesting in <silly-1CE532....@corp.supernews.com>:

> In message <Xns951ED7FF1...@news.mbue.de>,
> gekko <ge...@lutz.kicks-ass.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Thomas, you can redefine it to suit yourself all you wish. The
> > plain fact remains that you're a bigot.
>
> That's a lie.

Mmnno.


> > You are a killfiling coward who has to make himself feel "big" by
> > belittling Christianity.
>
> How could I possibly belittle Christianity? I'm a tiny fleck of
> dandruff in the giant shadow of Michaelangelo. The history, hundreds
> of years... I can't begin to tell you. There's not enough bandwidth.
> I'm dwarfed into insignificance.

Ah, the Literal-Boy approach.

The drunken slob whose only way to feel "big", himself, was to
make scornful, derisive remarks to and about his stepson would
doubtless find your self-defense appealing. <-- note to the
impaired (Hi, Thomas!): I'm not saying Thomas is an abusive
drunken step-father.

> > Live with it, man, and stop being so defensive.
>
> I killfiled billo and Geno because of personal attacks. I killfiled
> Lutz because his comments are undeserving of a response. I don't
> know why I haven't killfiled Stan yet.

I don't know why I care.


> I'm poaching on Zero's turf.

And doing a worse job than Zed does, T.

> PLONK!

Heh.

--
gekko

Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. - H. G. Wells (1866-1946)

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Marc L.

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Jul 8, 2004, 5:58:56 AM7/8/04
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Thomas Armagost <si...@well.com> wrote in news:silly-
1CE532.063...@corp.supernews.com:

> PLONK!
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>

Weenie

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