The coming Jihidi Trial Disaster
Mark
by J.R. Dunn
"By redefining Islamist terrorists as "criminals", liberals have
automatically retrofitted them with "victim" status, endowing them
with all the rights and privileges granted to American street
hoodlums. If the record is any indication, this is going to end far
more badly than anyone can now foresee."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/the_coming_jihadi_trial_disast_1.html
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Mark (livin' on Tulsa time)
Robert McClelland
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> Mark (livin' on Tulsa time)
It's time for a fresh pair of Depends, Mark.
Mark
wrote:
> It's time for a fresh pair of Depends, Mark.
Ok, thanks for sharing, but next time just
put them on and keep it to yourself.
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Mark
G.E., making imagination work
Piet de Arcilla
It's depressing how even the "liberals" seem to be falling all over
themselves to reassure the public this will be a kangaroo court.
Bill Penrose
> "By redefining Islamist terrorists as "criminals", liberals have
> automatically retrofitted them with "victim" status, endowing them
What was Timothy McVeigh? A criminal or a terrorist?
DB
Mark
A criminal.
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Mark
Grand Mal
"Mark" <blueri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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A criminal.
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Mark
What about Theodore Kaczynski, the 'unabomber'?
Bill Penrose
> > What was Timothy McVeigh? A criminal or a terrorist?
>
> > DB
>
> A criminal.
Because he was an American and not a Muslim?
But:
He was motivated by ideology.
He killed people he did not know.
He was part (perhaps the largest part) of a conspiracy.
Same for the Unibomber, except he acted alone.
DB
Just Me
> On Nov 18, 9:41 pm, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > What was Timothy McVeigh? A criminal or a terrorist?
>
> > > DB
>
> > A criminal.
>
> Because he was an American and not a Muslim?
False dichotomy. The opposing category is "alien" not "Muslim". And
enemy alien, at that.
McVeigh was a citizen, not an alien, whose crime, though conceived in
his head as an "act of war", according to US law is sedition, murder,
mayhem, arson, destruction of public property, being committed on US
soil by a citizen in violation of US and state law.
KSM is an alien, all of whose acts of war against the United States
were spawned outside the US, and outside the purview of US domestic
law. The 9/11 attacks were planned, organized and financed outside the
United States, by an alien force in an act of war against the
sovereignty and security of the US via espionage, sabotage and
clandestine invasion of US airspace, no different from inception to
outcome than the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
The differences between the McVeigh and KSM cases could not be more
distinct. The purview of law and justice for McVeigh was clearly
civilian and a matter for US federal law, and a US Dept. of Justice.
For KSM it is quite otherwise: arrested by US armed forces as an alien
insurgent paramilitary, he'd been acting to impose by force of arms a
new Islamic caliphate over all the world. Such acts go beyond mere
"crimes" to war crimes, far broader in scope than may be contemplated
by federal air piracy statutes for domestic federal prosecution by the
Department of Justice. The case of KSM belongs from the beginning to
the Department of Defense, and that is where it must end, for trial
under US military law.
The handling of this matter by the Obama administration only goes once
again to demonstrate the lack of logic in liberal thought and
political practice. Liberalism and naivety would seem to be forever
joined at the hip, as once again we go hobbling through another four
years, on a three-legged race with nothing to show at the finish line
except another big expensive mess of idealism and damned silliness. I
mean, how damned silly does it get? You say . . .
> Because he was an American and not a Muslim?
Well! Is that just sloppy thinking? No. It's really another
perfectly awful thing altogether. It's misplaced passion disguised as
thinking. It's an irrational accusation based on a prosecutorial
mentality that most comically perceives "Muslim" as synonymous with
"victim"! Victim? Can you fathom that? Hey! if that were "Muslim
women" I too would shout "Victim!" But that's not what it means. Yet,
If that were "opposition candidates in Iran" once again--Victims! You
got victims over there alright, just everywhere you look. But all
those Muslim victims are victims of other Muslims. All over the world,
Muslims are forever making victims of one another, as they also seek
to make victims of the people who want no damn part with them--people
like me who are damn sick and tired of seeing and hearing about them!
Can we get so much as five minutes in a news-cycle that isn't about
the poor mistreated Muslims all the time for crissake? Why can't we
hear about the Hindus for a change, or the Lutheran Norwegians? Fuck a
bunch of goddam Muslims. Who REALLY cares about them--and more than
they care about a crumby Congregationalist? Muslims do, that's for
damn sure. But do THEY care about a poor fucked over Presbyterian? I
ask you! All a Muslim cares about is his own elevated ass, and his
feet in a goddam foot-bath. In this modern age for the godsake? Huh?
We still got THAT kind of people running round who actually believe in
the kind of petty tyrant for a god who would make people WASH THEIR
GODDAM FEET FIVE TIMES A DAY????
On the very face of it, THAT is NUTS. That is NOT civilized. No sooner
do you get the kind of god who goes around telling people to put their
noses in the dirt and their asses in the air five times a day--and
what do you get? You got the kind of people who think its all kind of
pious and virtuous and godly to be chopping other people's feet from
their ankles and the hands from their wrists, because THAT'S what they
ACTUALLY think a god would want to be done? YEAH. So what the HELL
do you think? Of course you're going to get trouble all over the
world from people who think that kind of shit is HOLY and GOOD.
Okay? Well FUCK that. Stand up and say it . . .
FUCK THAT.
Don't you think you owe a FUCK THAT to the evolution of the human
species on this planet? Damn straight, you do.
Don't you know better than that? OF COURSE they're out there blowing
up the World Trade Center. OF COURSE they refuse to recognize and live
in peace with Israel. OF COURSE they're out there chopping off the
head of Daniel Pearl. Of course they make their women walk around in
a GODDAM tent for a dress.
And YOU are just going to keep putting up with it, in the name of
"respect" for the other man's religion? Okay, then what the HELL you
got against CHARLEY MANSON? Give him and his religion some of your
liberal multicultural respect, and some separation of Church and
State.
Christ! Hey, if that's what they told me to do in order to go to an
Episcopal church, that I should think it really SPIRITUAL to wash my
feet FIVE GODDAM TIMES A DAY? Do you know what I'd tell 'em? Do ya?
I'd tell 'em the God I get a picture of in my mind sends people to a
hot foot-bath in HELL who are stupid or cowardly or brainwashed enough
to go along with anything so dismal and smelly as that, in the name of
religion. At 8 years old I would have known BETTER than that. And
why? Because I was raised to the kind of culture that teaches me to
recognize slavery of mind and soul EVERY TIME I see it, AND to loudly
condemn it as such! Without respect to anything other than the
suppressed humanity of the poor person who was born subject to it.
All over the world, people want the Muslims to start minding their own
pitiful, nose to the dirt, butt in the air business, and get their
asses out of the face of the rest of the world and God. Let them step
aside and let a Zoroastrian or a Zen Buddhist come into view. I've
seen enough of the Muslims; I've seen so damn much of them, that God
forbid, I find it a relief to look at a damn Baptist, for the
crissake. And that is getting pretty bad. Let the Muslims study the
humility of a Buddhist that they might discover the meaning of an "ego-
trip" for the first time in their existence since Mohammad, so they
can just sit down shut up, put down the guns and bombs and beheading
cleavers and go to work in peace like the rest of us.
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JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
john.ku...@sympatico.ca
john.ku...@sympatico.ca
> On Nov 19, 3:16 pm, Bill Penrose <dangerousb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 18, 9:41 pm, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > What was Timothy McVeigh? A criminal or a terrorist?
>
> > > > DB
>
> > > A criminal.
>
> > Because he was an American and not a Muslim?
>
> False dichotomy. The opposing category is "alien" not "Muslim". And
> enemy alien, at that.
>
>
> pitiful, nose to the dirt, butt in the air business, and get their
> asses out of the face of the rest of the world and God. Let them step
> aside and let a Zoroastrian or a Zen Buddhist come into view. I've
> seen enough of the Muslims; I've seen so damn much of them, that God
> forbid, I find it a relief to look at a damn Baptist, for the
> crissake. And that is getting pretty bad. Let the Muslims study the
> humility of a Buddhist that they might discover the meaning of an "ego-
> trip" for the first time in their existence since Mohammad, so they
> can just sit down shut up, put down the guns and bombs and beheading
> cleavers and go to work in peace like the rest of us.
> --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_attacks_jewish.php
http://www.mombu.com/culture/switzerland/t-list-of-jewish-atrocities-against-british-2961000.html
http://history.sandiego.edu/GEN/WW2Timeline/palestine.html
Just Me
> > False dichotomy. The opposing category is "alien" not "Muslim". And
> > enemy alien, at that.
>
> > All over the world, people want the Muslims to start minding their own
> > pitiful, nose to the dirt, butt in the air business, and get their
> > asses out of the face of God and the rest of the world. Let them step
> > aside and let a Zoroastrian or a Zen Buddhist come into view. I've
> > seen enough of the Muslims; I've seen so damn much of them, that God
> > forbid, I find it a relief to look at a damn Baptist, for the
> > crissake. And that is getting pretty bad. Let the Muslims study the
> > humility of a Buddhist that they might discover the meaning of an "ego-
> > trip" for the first time in their existence since Mohammad, so they
> > can just sit down shut up, put down the guns and bombs and beheading
> > cleavers and go to work in peace like the rest of us.
> > --
>
And exactly what does Koolchicki imagine he accomplishes by this link
list to allegations of "Jewish atrocity"? He supposes, quite
absurdly, that by dragging out the few instances of anti-British Irgun
and Stern Gang terrorism of the Mandate period, that this somehow
washes and makes clean the slate of bloody mayhem brought upon the
world daily, even hourly by Muslim terrorism since long before the day
that Jewish bomb blew the top off the King David Hotel.
There has never been a more bogus form of argument than that. It's at
the level of some bad boy screaming under justice of a hard spanking
that his brother Jimmy did it too, so why does he have to take all the
blame? What Jimmy did doesn't take away one part of what Johnny did.
It only goes to show that Jimmy needs to get another spanking on top
of the first, not just for being a tattle-tale, but for using such a
dirty little trick to distract attention from what he, himself did.
And don't get me started on the King David Hotel, lest what I got to
say on that should stand to blow the top of your fucking head off, and
really leave quite a bloody, brainy mess, all over your nice, clean
British White Paper.
Incidently, your "Jewish Atrocity" link is broken (by Divine
Intervention, no doubt) and can only be accessed by cache . . .
john.ku...@sympatico.ca
> On Nov 20, 5:41 am, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
>
>
>
> <john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 12:32 am, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > False dichotomy. The opposing category is "alien" not "Muslim". And
> > > enemy alien, at that.
>
> > > All over the world, people want the Muslims to start minding their own
> > > pitiful, nose to the dirt, butt in the air business, and get their
> > > asses out of the face of God and the rest of the world. Let them step
> > > aside and let a Zoroastrian or a Zen Buddhist come into view. I've
> > > seen enough of the Muslims; I've seen so damn much of them, that God
> > > forbid, I find it a relief to look at a damn Baptist, for the
> > > crissake. And that is getting pretty bad. Let the Muslims study the
> > > humility of a Buddhist that they might discover the meaning of an "ego-
> > > trip" for the first time in their existence since Mohammad, so they
> > > can just sit down shut up, put down the guns and bombs and beheading
> > > cleavers and go to work in peace like the rest of us.
> > > --
>
>
> And exactly what does Koolchicki imagine he accomplishes by this link
> list to allegations of "Jewish atrocity"? He supposes, quite
> absurdly, that by dragging out the few instances of anti-British Irgun
> and Stern Gang terrorism of the Mandate period, that this somehow
> washes and makes clean the slate of bloody mayhem brought upon the
> world daily, even hourly by Muslim terrorism since long before the day
> that Jewish bomb blew the top off the King David Hotel.
>
> There has never been a more bogus form of argument than that. It's at
> the level of some bad boy screaming under justice of a hard spanking
> that his brother Jimmy did it too, so why does he have to take all the
> blame? What Jimmy did doesn't take away one part of what Johnny did.
> It only goes to show that Jimmy needs to get another spanking on top
> of the first, not just for being a tattle-tale, but for using such a
> dirty little trick to distract attention from what he, himself did.
>
> And don't get me started on the King David Hotel, lest what I got to
> say on that should stand to blow the top of your fucking head off, and
> really leave quite a bloody, brainy mess, all over your nice, clean
> British White Paper.
>
> Incidently, your "Jewish Atrocity" link is broken (by Divine
> Intervention, no doubt) and can only be accessed by cache . . .
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yk7pm3u
>
> --
> JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
Here's the text of it:
"14 Feb 1944. Two British policemen fatally wounded.
2 March 1944. British Police Constable shot.
23 March 1944. Chief clerk and two constables murdered at Tel Aviv
district HQ. Threepolice constables murdered in the bombing of the
police HQ at Haifa. One British policesuperintendent murdered in
Jerusalem.
8 August 1944. During the attempted assassination of the British High
Commissioner,Ten British policemen were murdered.
29 August 1944. Senior police official assassinated on his way to
work.
29 Sept 1944. Assistant police superintendent murdered.
25 April 1946 Seven British soldiers murdered in their sleep in Tel
Aviv.
22 July 1946 King David Hotel, housing the offices of the Secretariat
of the PalestinianGovernment as well as British Army HQ was bombed,
allegedly with the connivance ofDavid Ben-Gurion's 'Jewish Agency'. 91
Dead.
13 Nov 1946. Two British policemen murdered in bombing attacks.
18 Nov 1946. Five British soldiers murdered in bomb attacks.
21 Nov 1946. British government offices bombed. Nine casualties.
2 Dec 1946. Four British soldiers murdered in a mine blast.Christmas
1946. Police HQ bombed. Six dead.
26 Dec 1946. Four British citizens abducted and flogged.
29 Dec 1946. Three British soldiers abducted and flogged.
12 Jan. 1947. Two British policemen murdered in bomb attack.
I March 1947. Officers club in Jerusalem bombed, and other terrorist
attacks resultingin 18 dead and 85 injured.
18 April 1947. British military hospital in Nathania attacked. One
dead.
20 April 1947. A number of British soldiers injured in the bombing of
a Red Crossdepot.
22 April 1947. Attack on a train bound for Haifa. Five Soldiers
murdered, twenty-threeinjured.
26 April 1947. British policeman murdered in Haifa.
9 June 1947. Two British policemen abducted and flogged.
31 July 1947. British Sergeants Paice and Martin found hanged. Their
bodies mutilatedand booby-trapped.
August 1947. Three British policemen murdered.
26 Sept 1947. Four British policemen murdered.
29 Sept 1947. Nine British policemen and four civilians murdered in
Haifa.
Jan 1948. One soldier murdered and four injured.
Feb 1948. Twenty-seven British soldiers and airmen murdered, and
thirty-fiveinjured in an attack on a train at Rehovath.
23 Feb 1948.Two British policemen shot in their sickbeds at Wallach
hospital, andone policeman murdered in another attack in Jerusalem.
King David Hotel: 91 killed in terrorist outrage. [ Menachim Begin &
his Irgun terror group admitted responsibility for the bombing.]
Official sanction.
That this terror campaign was at least sanctioned by the Jewish
Agency, the official representative body of the Palestinian Jews, is
beyond question. The collusion between the agency and the Stern Gang
was confirmed in the British Colonial Office White Paper on Palestine
(cmd.6873). The Chairman of the Jewish Agency at the time was David
Ben- Gurion, who was later to become the first Prime Minister of
Israel. Indeed, it has been alleged that Ben-Gurion himself approved
the bombing of the King David Hotel. Shamir and Begin never attempted
to hide their past as 'freedom fighters', basking in the glory of the
campaign to rid Palestine of the hated British.
When the Union flag was lowered for the last time at Government House
in Jerusalem on May l4"~. 1948, Ben-Gurion became Prime Minister.
Just week's prior to this event, however, the lrgun and the Stern Gang
turned their attention to new targets with a vengeance. On 10th April
1948 the people of Nasr el Din were massacred. On May 5t11, it was the
turn of men, women, and children from the village of Khoury. The very
day before the British mandate ended, the villagers of Beit Drass were
slaughtered.
At the village of Deir Yassin, the Irgun murdered 250 Arabs in an
unprecedented orgy of barbarity. Britain's Secretary of State for the
Colonies, speaking in the Commons on April 12th, 1948, stated, "This
barbarous aggression was a proof of savagery. It was a crime that
added to a long list of atrocities committed by the Zionists to this
day, and for which we can find sufficient words of revulsion...
Towards the end of 1948, the Stern Gang assassinated the United
Nations mediator for Palestine, Count Folke Bernadette. His 'crime'
being concern for the Palestinian Arabs.
Infamy and treachery.
It should be borne in mind that both the lrgun and Stern Gang included
Britons amongst their numbers. Some, allegedly, had fought as part of
the communist 'International Brigade' during the Spanish Civil War.
Others, shamefully, were former British soldiers who were turning
their weapons on their former comrades. It should also be remembered
that many of these murderous acts against British servicemen were
being carried out at the same time as the British army was liberating
concentration camps in Hitler's Europe.
Throughout this campaign of terror can be witnessed the hands of men
who were to become senior Israeli figures, and indeed national heroes.
Another figure who made his name as 'The Butcher of Beirut' long after
the British withdrawal was Ariel Sharon, who also went on to become
Israeli Prime Minister. It seems the lineage continues, a fact that
does not bode well for today's Palestinians, or for any chance of
peace in a part of the world that has known too much suffering and
bloodshed over the centuries."