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e27002
Mar 10, 2013, 7:18:19 PM3/10/13
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On 10 Mar, 14:02, "hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk" <hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk>
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> On 10/03/2013 20:44, e27002 wrote:
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> > On 8 Mar, 17:45, "hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk" <hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> On 08/03/2013 22:18, Garden6...@live.co.uk wrote:
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> >>> On Thursday, 7 March 2013 23:19:12 UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
> >>>> On 07/03/2013 19:36, Patrick O'Neill wrote:
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> >>>>> "Mark A" <not-h...@not-at-home.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >>>>>news:khaq43$hsq$1...@dont-email.me...
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> >>>>>> Having come across the length of railway north from Hampton in Arden,
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> >>>>>> built very early in the scheme of things and abandoned before WW2, I
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> >>>>>> was wondering what other stretches of early-abandoned line were
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> >>>>>> lurking in plain view ...
>
> >>>>> Chessington South to Leatherhead.
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> >>>> Was never built, the embankment goes almost to Malden Rushett.
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> >>> The most notorious example of unfinished and abandoned railways must surely be the Northern Heights extensions of the Northern Line.
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> >>> A less well-known example is the Seaton Sluice branch of the NER (the station was to be named Collywell Bay!); construction of which was abandoned in WW1. Some of the embankment and at least one bridge abutment still survive.
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> >> Not UK-related, but there was a city in Norway that, IIRC, did build a
> >> tram line, complete with infrastructure. I think that they even had
> >> rolling stock ready to go. For some reason, however, it never went into
> >> revenue service and the whole thing was dismantled. In other words, they
> >> built this whole thing and it never saw 1 øre of fare revenue.
>
> > The City of Cincinnati, OH built a subway 1920 thru 1927, but never
> > utilized it.
>
> Did they lay tracks and peripheral equipment, along with obtain rolling
> stock?
AFIK, Cicinnati only dug and lined tunnels. A portion of it was along
an abandoned canal route. The canal was dug out, concreted, and a
boulevard built above. No tracks were laid, and AFIK no rolling stock
was purchased. I am going to cross post and see if we can glean any
further information.
Rochester, NY also has an abandoned subway system. That one, IIRC,
was actually utilized.
wrote:
> On 10/03/2013 20:44, e27002 wrote:
>
>
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> > On 8 Mar, 17:45, "hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk" <hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> On 08/03/2013 22:18, Garden6...@live.co.uk wrote:
>
> >>> On Thursday, 7 March 2013 23:19:12 UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
> >>>> On 07/03/2013 19:36, Patrick O'Neill wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Mark A" <not-h...@not-at-home.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >>>>>news:khaq43$hsq$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> >>>>>> Having come across the length of railway north from Hampton in Arden,
>
> >>>>>> built very early in the scheme of things and abandoned before WW2, I
>
> >>>>>> was wondering what other stretches of early-abandoned line were
>
> >>>>>> lurking in plain view ...
>
> >>>>> Chessington South to Leatherhead.
>
> >>>> Was never built, the embankment goes almost to Malden Rushett.
>
> >>> The most notorious example of unfinished and abandoned railways must surely be the Northern Heights extensions of the Northern Line.
>
> >>> A less well-known example is the Seaton Sluice branch of the NER (the station was to be named Collywell Bay!); construction of which was abandoned in WW1. Some of the embankment and at least one bridge abutment still survive.
>
> >> Not UK-related, but there was a city in Norway that, IIRC, did build a
> >> tram line, complete with infrastructure. I think that they even had
> >> rolling stock ready to go. For some reason, however, it never went into
> >> revenue service and the whole thing was dismantled. In other words, they
> >> built this whole thing and it never saw 1 øre of fare revenue.
>
> > The City of Cincinnati, OH built a subway 1920 thru 1927, but never
> > utilized it.
>
> Did they lay tracks and peripheral equipment, along with obtain rolling
> stock?
AFIK, Cicinnati only dug and lined tunnels. A portion of it was along
an abandoned canal route. The canal was dug out, concreted, and a
boulevard built above. No tracks were laid, and AFIK no rolling stock
was purchased. I am going to cross post and see if we can glean any
further information.
Rochester, NY also has an abandoned subway system. That one, IIRC,
was actually utilized.
News
Mar 11, 2013, 6:40:21 AM3/11/13
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canal that ran though the city. The canal was diverted around the city. The
covered the canal and put a road over. They even had a two tier bridge for
trams and cars.
Both of these subways could be brought back to use and really benefit theses
cities. Booth cities had about two miles of tunnel. BTW, Liverpool have
just under 5 miles of anabandoned tunnel under its streets.
houn...@yahoo.co.uk
Mar 11, 2013, 5:07:52 PM3/11/13
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News
Mar 11, 2013, 6:55:04 PM3/11/13
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http://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/story.asp?story=9527&headline=Rochester%20Ponders%20Future%20of%20Once%20Vibrant%20Subway
A part is being filled in. Fools. The whole thing is still intact and can
be put back to use. Having a congestion charge for cars will improve
patronage and fund it.
e27002
Mar 11, 2013, 9:36:23 PM3/11/13
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On 11 Mar, 14:07, "hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk" <hounsl...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Rochester's City government is concerned about the state of the
tunnels. Last I heard the City wanted to fill the them.
Cincinnati: Every few years there is a plan for a new rapid transit
system. Sometimes they include the subway, sometimes not. None of
these plans has materialized yet. IMHO that is a pity. Cincinnati is
a pleasant city. A mass transit system would be a convenient
addition.
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tunnels. Last I heard the City wanted to fill the them.
Cincinnati: Every few years there is a plan for a new rapid transit
system. Sometimes they include the subway, sometimes not. None of
these plans has materialized yet. IMHO that is a pity. Cincinnati is
a pleasant city. A mass transit system would be a convenient
addition.
News
Mar 12, 2013, 4:36:17 AM3/12/13
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e27002 wrote:
>>> Rochester's was trams and used from 1927 until 1956. This used an
>>> abandoned canal that ran though the city. The canal was diverted
>>> around the city. They covered the canal and put a road over. They
>>> Rochester's was trams and used from 1927 until 1956. This used an
>>> abandoned canal that ran though the city. The canal was diverted
>>> even had a two tier bridge for trams and cars.
>>
>> Any talk of bringing either back?
>
> Rochester's City government is concerned about the state of the
> tunnels. Last I heard the City wanted to fill the them.
>
> Cincinnati: Every few years there is a plan for a new rapid transit
> system. Sometimes they include the subway, sometimes not. None of
> these plans has materialized yet. IMHO that is a pity. Cincinnati is
> a pleasant city. A mass transit system would be a convenient
> addition.
The city deteriorated because of the loss of the Subway. Large roads ripped
>>
>> Any talk of bringing either back?
>
> Rochester's City government is concerned about the state of the
> tunnels. Last I heard the City wanted to fill the them.
>
> Cincinnati: Every few years there is a plan for a new rapid transit
> system. Sometimes they include the subway, sometimes not. None of
> these plans has materialized yet. IMHO that is a pity. Cincinnati is
> a pleasant city. A mass transit system would be a convenient
> addition.
into the heart of the city to accommodate cars. It needs reversing. It is
best to cluster buildings around rapid-transit stations. This creates a
vibrant city atmosphere and makes all so much more convenient.
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