Re: City Thameslink overhead wires
E27002
wrote:
> Andy wrote:
> > On Oct 2, 7:43 pm, martin j <mjohncon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Don't go through here very much these days, but noticed today what
> >> looked to be quite new installation of overhead wires. Guess this is
> >> all to do with Thameslink 2000, but how long and does this mean
> >> Farringdon will no longer the overhead to third rail changeover
> >> station?
>
> > As I understand it, Farringdon will remain the normal change over
> > spot, but the extension of the wires to City Thameslink will allow any
> > unit which has a problem switching from AC to DC to reverse at City
> > Thameslink and return north. At the moment any unit with this problem
> > can still access Moorgate to reverse, but the branch will be
> > decommissioned in December.
>
> To add to that Andy, both platforms have been fully wired at City
> Thameslink, and that seems to allow for the operational scenarios described
> in the DfT's Thameslink EMU spec. This suggests units will normally
> changeover at Farringdon southbound, as now, but at City Thameslink
> northbound.
>
> Failure to changeover AC to DC will result in southbound trains continuing
> to City T/L on AC to detrain, and then reversing through Farringdon.
> Northbound, DC to AC failures will detrain at City T/L and can then either
> be binned into Smithfield sidings (subject to 8 car limit), or continue to
> Farringdon on DC and reverse.
>
> Source:http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/thameslinkrollingstock/itt/specific...
>
> Section 2.4.3 onward refers
>
> I imagine the plan to detrain at City T/L in both directions is because it
> has significantly more room (than Farringdon) to deal with the pax from a 12
> car train?
>
After TL 20nn, one would hope that Farringdon will have considerably
more passenger handling capability. Is there not going to be another
entrance/exit?
Paul Scott
Yes, but the platform width of either platform within the existing station
can't really be improved much if at all, and that'll still be where 8 of 12
coaches would have to tip out. I think City is definitely better given the
choice...
Paul S
Walter Briscoe
.com> of Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:00:30 in uk.transport.london, E27002
<e27...@gmail.com> writes
>On Oct 2, 12:41�pm, "Paul Scott" <notvalidpmsc...@btinternet.com>
>wrote:
>> Andy wrote:
>> > On Oct 2, 7:43 pm, martin j <mjohncon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>> Source:http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/thameslinkrollingstock/itt/s
>>pecific...
The original URL got truncated here so a 404 results when one attempts
to follow it.
>>
>> Section 2.4.3 onward refers
>>
>> I imagine the plan to detrain at City T/L in both directions is because it
>> has significantly more room (than Farringdon) to deal with the pax from a 12
>> car train?
>>
>After TL 20nn, one would hope that Farringdon will have considerably
>more passenger handling capability. Is there not going to be another
>entrance/exit?
There is already a new, low capacity entrance/exit in Turnmill Street.
FWIR, it is open M-F 07.00-10.00 and 15.30-18.30. Signage restrict it to
the peak flow direction. At first, I obeyed those signs; nothing seems
to exist to enforce them any more than "no exit except in emergency".
There is no gateline; there is a PAYG validator.
Do you refer to that access or something to be provided in future?
No relevant info is in
>> Source:http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/thameslinkrollingstock/itt/s
>>pecific...
I trust a working URL follows: ;)
<http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/thameslinkrollingstock/itt/specificat
ion.pdf>
Now I look at the title, it ia not surprising. ;)
--
Walter Briscoe
Paul Scott
"Walter Briscoe" <wbri...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Q04M1XXj...@freenetname.co.uk...
The entrance you mention will eventually be made more permanent, I believe,
but there is also to be a major new Thameslink/Crossrail entrance and ticket
hall to be built on the other side of Cowcross St, vertically above the
Thameslink platform extensions.
However as I mentioned in another post, there is no practical way of
increasing the width of the existing platform areas.
Paul S
D7666
> The entrance you mention will eventually be made more permanent,
I'm not sure where I got this from, but I think this exit is currently
really an emrgency entry/exit that finds temporary double use as a
peaks-only entry/exit; a permanent entry/exit is AIUI somewhere there,
maybe even the same location, but rebuilt, altered, whatever.
--
Nick
Paul Scott
"D7666" <d7...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1065d397-12ea-430a...@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
Yes, that rings a bell, 'broadly in the same place', with a new surface
building, is how I understood it. I'd expect it'll probably line up with
the rearranged footbridges somehow.
Paul
Mr Thant
> I'm not sure where I got this from, but I think this exit is currently
> really an emrgency entry/exit that finds temporary double use as a
> peaks-only entry/exit; a permanent entry/exit is AIUI somewhere there,
> maybe even the same location, but rebuilt, altered, whatever.
I think it was always intended as a crowding-relief exit.
There's going to be a new "Turnmill Street concourse", which amounts
to a new corridor connecting the current ticket office to the
interchange footbridge via the east side of the station, filling in
the gap between the station and the road. There will also be a
permanent new entrance, in exactly the same place as the temporary
one.
The interchange footbridge is permanent, although it will have its
canvas canopies removed once they extend the overall roof.
U
Jonathan Morton
news:960aba64-ffda-4d92...@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
There's something on this in the October issue of Modern Railways.
Regards
Jonathan
Paul Scott
> On 3 Oct, 13:57, D7666 <d7...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm not sure where I got this from, but I think this exit is
>> currently really an emrgency entry/exit that finds temporary double
>> use as a peaks-only entry/exit; a permanent entry/exit is AIUI
>> somewhere there, maybe even the same location, but rebuilt, altered,
>> whatever.
>
> I think it was always intended as a crowding-relief exit.
>
> There's going to be a new "Turnmill Street concourse", which amounts
> to a new corridor connecting the current ticket office to the
> interchange footbridge via the east side of the station, filling in
> the gap between the station and the road. There will also be a
> permanent new entrance, in exactly the same place as the temporary
> one.
Thanks for the reminder Mr T. I've done some digging and the drawings are
available online via Islington's planning site, Case P081483, for anyone
interested. I don't think it's possible to link directly to pages within
online planning unfortunately.
Paul S