House
Martin Edwards
catch a public bus. Would there be a public bus so far from a city?
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Miles Bader
> When House gets out of the psychiatric hospital in series 6 he seems to
> catch a public bus. Would there be a public bus so far from a city?
Er, why not? I dunno where that series is set, but busses are a
mainstay of rural public transport in many places...
-Miles
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NadCixelsyd
The series is set in Princeton, NJ, where there are public busses and
university busses. It is midway between Newark and Philidephia in the
most densly populated state in the nation.
Martin Edwards
> Martin Edwards <big_m...@Yahoo.com> writes:
>> When House gets out of the psychiatric hospital in series 6 he seems to
>> catch a public bus. Would there be a public bus so far from a city?
>
> Er, why not? I dunno where that series is set, but busses are a
> mainstay of rural public transport in many places...
>
> -Miles
>
Lafayette the southern route to new Orleans was no more, and you could
only get a bus along I-10. Also, as you probably know, in the UK we
only see a very limited selection of places.
Martin Edwards
Thanks. That's another thing. L & O and spinoffs have been shot on
location for decades. Why are they still making series notionally in
one place and actually shot in the studio in LA?
rail
Martin Edwards <big_m...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> NadCixelsyd wrote:
> > On Oct 14, 11:12 pm, Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org> wrote:
> >> Martin Edwards <big_mart...@Yahoo.com> writes:
> >>> When House gets out of the psychiatric hospital in series 6 he seems to
> >>> catch a public bus. Would there be a public bus so far from a city?
> >> Er, why not? I dunno where that series is set, but busses are a
> >> mainstay of rural public transport in many places...
> >>
> >> -Miles
> >>
> >> --
> >> Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature
> >> of the Unknowable.
> >
> > The series is set in Princeton, NJ, where there are public busses and
> > university busses. It is midway between Newark and Philidephia in the
> > most densly populated state in the nation.
>
> Thanks. That's another thing. L & O and spinoffs have been shot on
> location for decades. Why are they still making series notionally in
> one place and actually shot in the studio in LA?
>
It's cheaper that way.
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Stephen Sprunk
> NadCixelsyd wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 11:12 pm, Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org> wrote:
>>> Martin Edwards <big_mart...@Yahoo.com> writes:
>>>> When House gets out of the psychiatric hospital in series 6 he seems to
>>>> catch a public bus. Would there be a public bus so far from a city?
>>>
>>> Er, why not? I dunno where that series is set, but busses are a
>>> mainstay of rural public transport in many places...
>>
>> university busses. It is midway between Newark and Philidephia in the
>> most densly populated state in the nation.
>
> Thanks. That's another thing. L & O and spinoffs have been shot on
> location for decades. Why are they still making series notionally in
> one place and actually shot in the studio in LA?
Shooting on location is time-consuming and expensive, so it's only done
if the setting cannot be recreated on a sound stage.
Many, many TV shows have exterior shots of the real location with no
characters in them, then a fast scene change to the characters
indoors--in Hollywood. The music and voiceover, if any, will be
continuous across the cut. This tricks most viewers into believing the
characters are actually in the real location but costs a _lot_ less.
Even outdoor shots are often filmed in a different city than
claimed--commonly Toronto or Vancouver. The directors are usually
careful to avoid showing any landmarks, phone numbers on signs, etc. but
the occasional mistake creeps in.
In movies, they'll often film all interior scenes on a sound stage over
several months and then fly the cast and crew to the location for a few
long days of filming them going in/out of buildings, walking down the
street, posing in front of landmarks, etc. TV shows rarely have the
budget for that, so they must either be shot on location (e.g. L&O) or
not have characters in any identifiable exterior scenes (e.g. House).
S
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Mark Brader
> Many, many TV shows have exterior shots of the real location with no
> characters in them, then a fast scene change to the characters
> Even outdoor shots are often filmed in a different city than
> claimed--commonly Toronto or Vancouver.
By the way, it still counts as shooting "on location" when they do that.
"On location" just means they're not using a studio; it has nothing to
do with whether the location is the same as the *setting*, the place
where the story's supposed to be happening.
> The directors are usually careful to avoid showing any landmarks,
> phone numbers on signs, etc. but the occasional mistake creeps in.
And to come back on-topic for the newsgroup, one class of "mistake"
as far as transit fans are concerned is the appearance of transit
vehicles (or stops, etc.) for the wrong city. There've been a few
"Law & Order" episodes where the characters take a train to some
upstate New York location, but it has a New Jersey Transit logo.
(I consider this fair if they only show the logo, which is pretty
generic, and not the name of the company; the train operator could then
be understood to be a fictitious one. Amtrak-like train operating
companies in different movies have been called by names like Amroad
and Amrail. Fair enough.)
Transit fans will also recognize the use of the same closed or
partly-closed subway stations in different movies or TV productions.
Aldwych station on the London Underground, which closed in 1994 and
was only open in rush hours for decades before that, has appeared in
several movies; the lower level of Bay station in Toronto, which has
been closed since 1966, is similarly "popular" when Chicago or New
York is being depicted.
And then there are the times you see streetcar tracks (or even actual
streetcars) in a scene set in a city that doesn't have them...
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David Lesher
>Shooting on location is time-consuming and expensive, so it's only done
>if the setting cannot be recreated on a sound stage.
Or if the whole atmosphere of the show demands it. Some shows are shot
entirely on location. The first was "I Spy" with a star named Robert
Culp, and some other guy named Bill Cosby.
Law and Order is shot in NYC. Homicide was shot in Baltimore; as is
The Wire. Friday Night Lights is shot in/around Austin, Texas. That's
not quite the central Texas portrayed, but it IS a lot closer than a
Hollywood backlot.
>Many, many TV shows have exterior shots of the real location with no
>characters in them, then a fast scene change to the characters
>indoors--in Hollywood.
True...
>Even outdoor shots are often filmed in a different city than
>claimed--commonly Toronto or Vancouver. The directors are usually
>careful to avoid showing any landmarks, phone numbers on signs, etc. but
>the occasional mistake creeps in.
Ever notice how EVERY outdoor shot looks like California? Guess why...
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David Lesher
>And to come back on-topic for the newsgroup, one class of "mistake"
>as far as transit fans are concerned is the appearance of transit
>vehicles (or stops, etc.) for the wrong city. There've been a few
>"Law & Order" episodes where the characters take a train to some
>upstate New York location, but it has a New Jersey Transit logo.
Baltimore is often a standin for the DC Metro for two reasons.
First, it's closed on Sunday, allowing shooting then. Secondly,
WMATA will not allow any scene with the actors running.
Miles Bader
> Secondly,
> WMATA will not allow any scene with the actors running.
lol... i guess there's a perverse sort of logic behind that, but
still...
-miles
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Martin Edwards
> Stephen Sprunk <ste...@sprunk.org> writes:
>
>
>> Shooting on location is time-consuming and expensive, so it's only done
>> if the setting cannot be recreated on a sound stage.
>
> Or if the whole atmosphere of the show demands it. Some shows are shot
> entirely on location. The first was "I Spy" with a star named Robert
> Culp, and some other guy named Bill Cosby.
>
> Law and Order is shot in NYC. Homicide was shot in Baltimore; as is
> The Wire. Friday Night Lights is shot in/around Austin, Texas. That's
> not quite the central Texas portrayed, but it IS a lot closer than a
> Hollywood backlot.
>
>> Many, many TV shows have exterior shots of the real location with no
>> characters in them, then a fast scene change to the characters
>> indoors--in Hollywood.
>
> True...
>
>> Even outdoor shots are often filmed in a different city than
>> claimed--commonly Toronto or Vancouver. The directors are usually
>> careful to avoid showing any landmarks, phone numbers on signs, etc. but
>> the occasional mistake creeps in.
>
> Ever notice how EVERY outdoor shot looks like California? Guess why...
>
shown over there, but most of it is actually filmed in Oxford, while a
few scenes are shot in a town called St Albans, which has some similar
medieval locations.
rail
m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
> Stephen Sprunk:
> > Many, many TV shows have exterior shots of the real location with no
> > characters in them, then a fast scene change to the characters
> > indoors--in Hollywood. ...
>
> > Even outdoor shots are often filmed in a different city than
> > claimed--commonly Toronto or Vancouver.
>
> By the way, it still counts as shooting "on location" when they do that.
> "On location" just means they're not using a studio; it has nothing to
> do with whether the location is the same as the *setting*, the place
> where the story's supposed to be happening.
The reason for using Toronto is that it is much safer than shooting on the
streets of New York or Chicago.
>
> > The directors are usually careful to avoid showing any landmarks,
> > phone numbers on signs, etc. but the occasional mistake creeps in.
>
> And to come back on-topic for the newsgroup, one class of "mistake"
> as far as transit fans are concerned is the appearance of transit
> vehicles (or stops, etc.) for the wrong city. There've been a few
> "Law & Order" episodes where the characters take a train to some
> upstate New York location, but it has a New Jersey Transit logo.
That's a very common complaint in Britain!
Mark Brader
> The reason for using Toronto is that it is much safer than shooting on the
> streets of New York or Chicago.
No, it's because it's cheaper to deal with the Canadian unions.
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rail
m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
> Graeme Wall:
> > The reason for using Toronto is that it is much safer than shooting on
> > the streets of New York or Chicago.
>
> No, it's because it's cheaper to deal with the Canadian unions.
That too, though production companies will use their own key crew members so
the savings aren't as great as you would think.
Kristian M Zoerhoff
> Graeme Wall:
>> The reason for using Toronto is that it is much safer than shooting on the
>> streets of New York or Chicago.
>
> No, it's because it's cheaper to deal with the Canadian unions.
Doesn't Ontario (or the Canadian federal gov't) also give a tax credit
of some sort to productions filmed there?
Chicago tends to cordon off movie shoots with about 6 zillion cops,
all drawing overtime. It might be the safest place in the world to shoot.
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rail
Free Lunch
wrote in misc.transport.urban-transit:
>In message <slrnhdjiap.723.k...@sdf.lonestar.org>
> Kristian M Zoerhoff <kristian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-10-17, Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>> > Graeme Wall:
>> > > The reason for using Toronto is that it is much safer than shooting on
>> > > the streets of New York or Chicago.
>> >
>> > No, it's because it's cheaper to deal with the Canadian unions.
>>
>> Doesn't Ontario (or the Canadian federal gov't) also give a tax credit
>> of some sort to productions filmed there?
>>
>> Chicago tends to cordon off movie shoots with about 6 zillion cops,
>> all drawing overtime. It might be the safest place in the world to shoot.
>>
>
>With all those macho cops waving guns around?
Their police haven't rioted for over 40 years.
David Lesher
>The reason for using Toronto is that it is much safer than shooting on the
>streets of New York or Chicago.
Nom, it's money... BUT there is a hilarous story about the petty thief
being chased by the Baltimore err BalMore cops.
He runs around the corner and onto the set of Homocide where
"Detective Munch" and his parter take him into custody....
Some days it just does not pay to get out of bed.
Clark F Morris
<wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) writes:
>
>
>>And to come back on-topic for the newsgroup, one class of "mistake"
>>as far as transit fans are concerned is the appearance of transit
>>vehicles (or stops, etc.) for the wrong city. There've been a few
>>"Law & Order" episodes where the characters take a train to some
>>upstate New York location, but it has a New Jersey Transit logo.
>
>Baltimore is often a standin for the DC Metro for two reasons.
>First, it's closed on Sunday, allowing shooting then. Secondly,
>WMATA will not allow any scene with the actors running.
Not according to the website which shows schedules for Saturday,
Sunday and holidays.
David Lesher
>>Baltimore is often a standin for the DC Metro for two reasons.
>>First, it's closed on Sunday, allowing shooting then. Secondly,
>>WMATA will not allow any scene with the actors running.
>Not according to the website which shows schedules for Saturday,
>Sunday and holidays.
That's my memory; but it may have changed in the years since I looked...
Martin Edwards
Has a real cop ever drawn his weapon in response to something happening
on a film set?
Tim Shoppa
> Martin Edwards <big_mart...@Yahoo.com> writes:
> > When House gets out of the psychiatric hospital in series 6 he seems to
> > catch a public bus. Would there be a public bus so far from a city?
>
> Er, why not? I dunno where that series is set, but busses are a
> mainstay of rural public transport in many places...
According to the census data, 100% of NJ counties are classified as
"urban".
Tim.
gl4...@yahoo.com
<wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
> Stephen Sprunk <ste...@sprunk.org> writes:
> >Even outdoor shots are often filmed in a different city than
> >claimed--commonly Toronto or Vancouver. The directors are usually
> >careful to avoid showing any landmarks, phone numbers on signs, etc. but
> >the occasional mistake creeps in.
>
> Ever notice how EVERY outdoor shot looks like California? Guess why...
Vancouver, BC and surrounding territory was selected for a number of shows
because it didn't look like California, but was close enough to the
studios in LA to do most of the in-studio work there. The deep dense fog
was particularly useful in such SciFi Channel series as BattleStar
Galactica.
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><wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Stephen Sprunk <ste...@sprunk.org> writes:
>
>> >Even outdoor shots are often filmed in a different city than
>> >claimed--commonly Toronto or Vancouver. The directors are usually
>> >careful to avoid showing any landmarks, phone numbers on signs, etc. but
>> >the occasional mistake creeps in.
>>
>> Ever notice how EVERY outdoor shot looks like California? Guess why...
>
>
>Vancouver, BC and surrounding territory was selected for a number of shows
>because it didn't look like California, but was close enough to the
>studios in LA to do most of the in-studio work there. The deep dense fog
>was particularly useful in such SciFi Channel series as BattleStar
>Galactica.
OT but: and there are at least two major complexes in Metro Vancouver
for in-studio work -- Lions Gate in North Van, and Bridge Studios in
Burnaby, to name two.
Fog? Metro doesn't get much fog at all...
gl4...@yahoo.com
<jo...@soccer.com> wrote:
They called the place they were doing the shooting "Vancouver" in the
literature but to someone from Los Angeles that could mean halfway to Fort
Nelson. Certainly, they were able to find dense outdoor forest somewhere
in the area for the crews based in Vancouver to do their scenes.
Stephen Sprunk
>> claimed--commonly Toronto or Vancouver. The directors are usually
>> careful to avoid showing any landmarks, phone numbers on signs, etc. but
>> the occasional mistake creeps in.
>
> Ever notice how EVERY outdoor shot looks like California? Guess why...
_The Spy Who Shagged Me_ even spoofed one such incident. As Austin and
Felicity drove along a desert highway (probably CA-1 aka PCH) with the
an ocean in the background, he says "You know, the funny thing is that
England looks absolutely nothing like southern California."
Bill in Schenectady
They have been doing some movie filming in the past year in Albany, NY
where I work. Most recently, there was a chase scene filmed for an
upcoming Will Farrell action/adventure/cop buddy movie/comedy (we need
more of those, right?). They spent a week lining up identical
unmarked white vans and beat up Toyota Priuses with bullet holes and
an unmatched passenger side door. Then they staged a number of
chases, some with extras on the sidewalks. It culminated in a big
crash at the end of the week with one of the vans flipping. Since
this was all visible from my building's office windows, a lot of work
time was wasted by a lot of people that week.
Out on Broadway outside of my building, they tried to make it look
like New York City. They put in a fake steam vent, moved it around
then took it away. They replaced Albany public parking signs with
subway maps. They brought in dozens of New York City cabs and a few
double decker tour busses, one with a car permanently crashed through
it. They spent an entire week setting up, filming, setting up, taking
lunch breaks, etc. I think it will result in about three minutes on
film.
Last spring, they also filmed some stunt scenes on a multi level
highway interchange for an upcoming Angelina Jolie spy movie which I
believe will be called "Salt." There was a stunt double jumping from
a tanker truck to the highway ramp below, harnessed of course. Extra
cars would line up on the ramps, move, stop, back up and wait. I
believe the film producers were looking for a big city looking highway
interchange with less traffic disruption than in a big city. Again,
days and days of work for a few minutes on film. And I'm willing to
bet that they will blow up a tanker truck on a sound stage to splice
into the scene. After all, why would a tanker truck ever be in a
movie if not to blow it up?