Re: 'Duke of York' pub at Kings Cross open?
E27002
> On Oct 29, 2:07 am, Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org> wrote:> Roy Badami <r...@gnomon.org.uk> writes:
> > > There's no pub in Kings Cross at the moment - the closest alternative is
> > > probably the Betjeman Arms in St Pancras Station -- up the steps from
> > > Pancras Rd. It's a passable station pub -- nothing special but pleasant
> > > enough and certainly no worse than the Duke of York.
>
> > So what kind of beer do you get in these station pubs?
>
>
> The closure took me by surprize last year -- rather than hang around
> Heathrow for the overpriced breakfast I headed to KX for some food
> before getting the train to Newcastle. I'd been to the Duke before,
> and although crowded was ok for what I wanted. St P had only recently
> opened and I didn't see any obvious pub signs amongst the boutiques
> than seemed to dominate the St P concourse.
>
There is to be a pub close to Kings Cross favored by cab drivers. It
may have been on York Way. I am streching my memory back to 1971ish.
It did exceptional sandwiches at reasonable prices.
houn...@yahoo.co.uk
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> Theo Markettos <theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:
> > A few weeks ago the best food King's Cross could offer was a sandwich. Not
> > a hot meal in sight. There's now a West Cornwall Pasty Company stand (back
> > near where it used to be, on the extended concourse between plat 7 and 8)
> > but I think that's it as far as hot food goes.
>
> Wait, isn't KC ... world famous and all that... the departure point for
> the wilds of Scotland ... etc?
>
Which brings to mind the last movie remake of "The Thritynine Steps".
In which, IIRC, the train for Scotland departs from St Pancras instead
of the more accurate Kings Cross.
E27002
> In article
> <2dfaf6ff-116a-4cc6-b578-e12e08146...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> e27...@gmail.com (E27002) wrote:
> > There is to be a pub close to Kings Cross favored by cab drivers. It
> > may have been on York Way. I am streching my memory back to 1971ish.
> > It did exceptional sandwiches at reasonable prices.
>
>
Indeed so. I just took a look at the area thru Google Maps. So much
has changed.
TimB
But the Thames-Clyde Express left from St Pancras.
Tim
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IIRC part of the story is that the hero, Richard Hannay, leaves the
train whilst it is on the Forth Bridge. An AFIK, the Thames-Clyde
Express did not cross the Forth.
Arthur Figgis
It's St Pancras in the book.
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Ken Ward
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Didn't the Waverley get quite close?
Ken Ward.
Arthur Figgis
I've not seen the film(s), but the Forth Bridge doesn't feature in the
book, which is set in Galloway. However an advertising poster recently
on display at my local station would suggest LNER locos and the Forth
Bridge do appear in a recent stage version of it.
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version of the movie. The older black and white one, IIRC, did have
Hannay leaving the train on the bridge. I am not sure about the more
recent one.
rail
Arthur Figgis <afi...@example.com.invalid> wrote:
The Kenneth More version (mid 50s) had the Forth bridge scene in, not sure
about the earlier version.
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rail
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E27002 <e27...@gmail.com> wrote:
At least 3, 30s, don't know who played the lead, 50s with Kenneth More and 90s(?) with Robert Powell.
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versions to mind. I will have to look for the earlier one.
Paul Scott
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> At least 3, 30s, don't know who played the lead, 50s with Kenneth More and
> 90s(?) with Robert Powell.
Robert Donat, 1935...
Paul
Eric
And in the book he does leave from St Pancras.
E.
Chris Tolley
As Mr Figgis says, the Forth Bridge doesn't feature in the book (though
there are 3 films and a recent TV adaptation - by coincidence, the Donat
version was broadcast last night). That was Hitchcock's idea. In the
book, Hannay changes trains at Dumfries, He had a ticket to Newton
Stewart, but the manner of his leaving the second train is described
thus:
"About five o'clock the carriage had emptied, and I was left alone as I
had hoped. I got out at the next station, a little place whose name I
scarcely noted, set right in the heart of a bog. It reminded me of one
of those forgotten little stations in the Karroo. An old stationmaster
was digging in his garden, and with his spade over his shoulder
sauntered to the train, took charge of a parcel and went back to his
potatoes. A child of ten received my ticket, and I emerged on a white
road that straggled over the brown moor."
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TimB
For God's sake, it's a Hitchcock classic! and a railway classic.
Martin Edwards
And Glasgow trains still leave from Euston.
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Jeremy Double
world war.
At that time, competing trains departed for Scotland from Kings Cross
(for the Great Northern Railway/North Eastern Railway/North British
Railway services, primarily to Edinburgh and the East Coast via Berwick)
from St Pancras (for Midland Railway services via Carlisle) and from
Euston (for London & North Western Railway services via Carlisle).
Much of the action of the original novel takes place in the wilds of
Galloway in south-west Scotland, served by the Glasgow and South Western
Railway. This railway had a strong relationship with the Midland
Railway, thus someone heading to Galloway _would_ have left London from
St Pancras.
In any film that was true to the book, the Forth Bridge wouldn't appear
at all, because this is considerably to the north and east of Galloway,
just west of Edinburgh on the North British Railway.
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Bruce
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>I've not seen the film(s), but the Forth Bridge doesn't feature in the
>book, which is set in Galloway. However an advertising poster recently
>on display at my local station would suggest LNER locos and the Forth
>Bridge do appear in a recent stage version of it.
Presumably it is a very large stage.
Peter Masson
"Chris Tolley" <cj.t...@bogus.co.uk (ukonline really)> wrote
>
> "About five o'clock the carriage had emptied, and I was left alone as I
> had hoped. I got out at the next station, a little place whose name I
> scarcely noted, set right in the heart of a bog. It reminded me of one
> of those forgotten little stations in the Karroo. An old stationmaster
> was digging in his garden, and with his spade over his shoulder
> sauntered to the train, took charge of a parcel and went back to his
> potatoes. A child of ten received my ticket, and I emerged on a white
> road that straggled over the brown moor."
>
Buchan could have had in mind Gatehouse-of-Fleet station, which was 7 miles
from the small town after which it was named - in the period before closure
only 3 trains per week (all down trains)were shown in the public timetable
as calling. Or possibly Loch Skerrow, a crossing loop and unadvertised
halt - but this didn't have any road access.
http://www.railbrit.co.uk/Portpatrick_Railway/frame.htm
Peter
rail
"Peter Masson" <peter....@privacy.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Chris Tolley" <cj.t...@bogus.co.uk (ukonline really)> wrote
> >
> > "About five o'clock the carriage had emptied, and I was left alone as I
> > had hoped. I got out at the next station, a little place whose name I
> > scarcely noted, set right in the heart of a bog. It reminded me of one of
> > those forgotten little stations in the Karroo. An old stationmaster was
> > digging in his garden, and with his spade over his shoulder sauntered to
> > the train, took charge of a parcel and went back to his potatoes. A child
> > of ten received my ticket, and I emerged on a white road that straggled
> > over the brown moor."
> >
> Buchan could have had in mind Gatehouse-of-Fleet station, which was 7 miles
> from the small town after which it was named
A colleague of mine bought the station as a holiday cottage. He always
claimed it was the one Buchan referred to.
Chris Tolley
Interesting. Is there any way of knowing if any of the trains in, say,
1913, were due to call at around 5pm?
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Paul Terry
<cj.t...@bogus.co.uk> writes
>Interesting. Is there any way of knowing if any of the trains in, say,
>1913, were due to call at around 5pm?
According to my 1929 Bradshaw (a few years later than 1913, of course),
the 2.35pm from Dumfries stopped at Gatehouse of Fleet at 4.12pm on
weekdays (one of only three trains a day to do so).
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Paul Terry
Dr J R Stockton
et>, Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:56:14, Chris Tolley <cj.t...@bogus.co.uk>
posted:
>
>Interesting. Is there any way of knowing if any of the trains in, say,
>1913, were due to call at around 5pm?
>
1914. Scudder was killed late on May 23rd, all the action is in less
than a month, and the final paragraph opens "Seven weeks later, ..., we
went to war." That was 4th August 1914, so the /Ariadne/ was taken
*about* June 16th. That agrees with the death of Karolides late on June
15th, pitting the taking on the 17th I think.
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Jim Brittin
ne...@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
In 1910 it was also an arrival at 4.12pm [the station then was named
Dromore]
Sam Wilson
"Peter Masson" <peter....@privacy.com> wrote:
Or this
<http://www.visitsouthwestscotland.com/attractioninfo.asp?attractID=5>
referred to in an earlier thread.
Sam