The view from a lurker
mont...@yahoo.com
Roger W. showed up. (Long story--basically, I really despise those who
support child exploitation, so I actively support Taylor et al. Can't
wait to see how R.S.B. "takes him down.")
Here's the skinny on the current mess in MTT from somebody who's been
on Usenet since the days of Grubor and Boursey (ah, now those were true
net-loons!).
Roger, this is your doing. You showed up a couple of _years_ ago with
no respect for netiquitte or understanding for the culture of the
group. You just started posting what should have been a blog, and you
were politely advised that your maundering posts had no real place in
the group. But you persisted. And persisted. And persisted. You
kept on posting your meaningless (to everyone save yourself) narrative
to the general annoyance of the rest of the group, then kept changing
your nick. Free clue--not everyone uses Outhouse as a newsreader.
Your constantly evolving handle evaded killfiles, as you were told more
than once. And now you keep doing it, openly admitting that you
actively desire to avoid them, even though anyone using a killfile, and
taking the time to add you to it, obviously would prefer to avoid your
posts.
No matter how much you whine that you're a victim, you're not. This is
a natural consequence of your own choices. Want to confirm who's
causing the problem? Easy. Go without posting for a mere 48 hours.
No problem--it's Easter weekend. Go spend time with family and
friends, and avoid Usenet for just 2 days.
Come back and read the posts. If the group has gone back to normal, no
posts about you, then we confirm that you and you alone are the
problem. But--BIG but here--if you come back and see dozens of posts
about you, like you made about Dave Ruff when you thought you'd gotten
his account nuked, then it's everyone else who's the problem. Easy,
yes? If everyone else is to blame for this mess, then they won't be
able to stop posting about you while you're enjoying the holiday.
Can you stop posting for just 2 days, over a holiday? Can you manage
just 48 hours without posting, to see if maybe you're right and it's
everyone else who is the problem?
Personally, I'm betting you can't, but I'm always willing to be proven
wrong.
realitytrucker
mont...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I've been lurking here for quite sometime, at least since long before
> Roger W. showed up.
<snipped for brevity>
Excellent post!
Rocky
news:1145089020.3...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<jap stuff removed>
>
> Roger, this is your doing. You showed up a couple of _years_ ago with
> no respect for netiquitte or understanding for the culture of the
> group.
I've already said I know I posted too much, but does that give RT the right
to post total bullshit about me?
I posted stories, with no questions in them. But posters, like Dave Ruff
and tscottme would give me advice and then expect me to take their advice
before I even had a chance to read their post. Geeze.
The RT bullshit didn't help matters at all either, it only made it worse.
All the RT bullshit proves to me that Richard's story probably is true and
that he is probably not a "pedophile."
In other words, posters like RT will use total bullshit about other posters
in an effort to get what they want. RT certainly is not the first poster to
use BULLSHIT and he probably will not be the last either.
Posters could have just been honest from the start. I'll bet things would
have gone differently. Did they even try?
------------------------
> You just started posting what should have been a blog, and you
> were politely advised that your maundering posts had no real place in
> the group. But you persisted. And persisted. And persisted. You
> kept on posting your meaningless (to everyone save yourself) narrative
> to the general annoyance of the rest of the group
>
So that explains why Dave Ruff gave Jim Peters so much SHIT also then. He
didn't like stories. Well, I never saw skatboard'n complain about them. I
can go back and double check.
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> then kept changing your nick.
I used the exact same e-mail address for months, until "Walker" informed me
I had to change it from "sorry.org." I tried to keep the "Rocky" part
intact so other news readers could killfile my post on just the "Rocky" part
with a wildcard..
I even used the exact same e-mail address for some time, even after March
28, 2004 when someone else started posting with it. That should show you I
tried to remain in the KF's of "Outhouse."
From what I see, the problems really started on March 24, when RT tried to
say I was Richard. Then an imposter jumps in on March 28, 2004 and helped
RT bullshit even more. More at:
http://RT.is.boring.on.JusticeGoneWild.com/RT.htm
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> Free clue--not everyone uses Outhouse as a newsreader.
> Your constantly evolving handle evaded killfiles, as you were told more
> than once.
Once again. People were told they can use wildcards with the "Rocky" part
and as hard as you want to say I was breaking out of killfiles, that was not
my intent until MONTHS after the damage done by Dave Ruff's January 23, 2005
"It's Time" post. And I saw Zčke clowning around like he had done nothing.
I plan to show that all the different "socks" used to impersonate me, have
all been used by Zčke, so we all know he can't deny his part in this
BULLSHIT.
I certainly never wanted it to come to this, and I have lots of e-mails from
Dave Ruff bragging about how much fun he was having giving me shit. Too bad
he wasn't expecting me to use the same shit Zčke used against me on March
28, 2004.
------------------------
> And now you keep doing it, openly admitting that you
> actively desire to avoid them, even though anyone using a killfile, and
> taking the time to add you to it, obviously would prefer to avoid your
> posts.
As if I wanted RT to call a photo of my CDL a fake??? I don't think so.
Why he ever tried to claim my September 11, 2003 post was a lie was beyond
me, unless again, that is how an "Exterminator" works, just BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT.
You can not say RT's crap had nothing to do with my crap. More at:
http://RT.is.boring.on.JusticeGoneWild.com/RT.htm
> No matter how much you whine that you're a victim, you're not. This is
> a natural consequence of your own choices. Want to confirm who's
> causing the problem? Easy. Go without posting for a mere 48 hours.
> No problem--it's Easter weekend. Go spend time with family and
> friends, and avoid Usenet for just 2 days.
Last December, before RT jumped back in and started giving me bullshit, I
had not posted during the week days, so I should be able to do that again if
RT wants to stop his bullshit again.
As for the 2 days, I had already planned on that. I wasn't going to reply
to RT and Dave Ruff hadn't posted, so I didn't have to reply to him.. The
only reason for this post, is I see RT is trying to use it in another
BULLSHIT attack.
> Come back and read the posts. If the group has gone back to normal, no
> posts about you, then we confirm that you and you alone are the
> problem. But--BIG but here--if you come back and see dozens of posts
> about you, like you made about Dave Ruff when you thought you'd gotten
> his account nuked, then it's everyone else who's the problem. Easy,
> yes? If everyone else is to blame for this mess, then they won't be
> able to stop posting about you while you're enjoying the holiday.
Ok, sounds good to me. Ask RT to cease while I'm gone.
Also, you make it sound like posters have never baited anybody. Like
posters will not yell "PLONK" and then immediately start talking crap about
the poster they "PLONKED."
Is that netiquitte? Are you supposed to SHIT on someone you have openly
placed in your KF? I thought you were just suppossed to ignore them and not
say anything. Where are the rules on that?
------------------------
> Can you stop posting for just 2 days, over a holiday? Can you manage
> just 48 hours without posting, to see if maybe you're right and it's
> everyone else who is the problem?
>
> Personally, I'm betting you can't, but I'm always willing to be proven
> wrong.
First, in December of last year, I have gone at least 2 weeks, where I would
only post on the weekends. I'm sure I can do that again, if RT can settle
with that.
You know what is funny, I was going to do just that, I was going to try and
stop for 2 days until I saw RT using this post for another attack of his
BULLSHIT, so I decided to reply. Oh well, that just means I'll wait until
later in the week to post again.
http://RT.is.boring.on.JusticeGoneWild.com/RT.htm
Please reply to this post in e-mail. I would like to avoid posting the rest
of the weekend.and that would help.
TNX
Rocky
topper
---8<----snip---->8---
> No matter how much you whine that you're a victim, you're not. This is
> a natural consequence of your own choices.
---8<----snip---->8---
And yet another excellent post that will never be mentioned on Rooks site.
-=>Topper<=-
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Gashauler
Thanks and your post is right on the nail. I appreciate you standing up and
telling the turth.
Rocky
"Gashauler" <sword...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks and your post is right on the nail. I appreciate you standing up
and
> telling the turth.
Oh boy, I tried not to post, but now I know montag could just be a "Blame
Game" boy from Austin, Texas.
After reading his post, and noticing the lack of anything to stop RT's pure
bullshit, I have labeled him a "Blame Game" troll and I can use that same
description to identify Dave Smith and tscottme now.
The other thing I thought was funny, was the same time the "Blame Game" boy
posted, someone else was posting about "harassing morons" and the "Blame
Game" boy failed to see that refers to RT's bullshit.
See for yourself at:
http://RT.is.boring.on.JusticeGoneWild.com/RT.htm
realitytrucker
> <mont...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1145089020.3...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> <jap stuff removed>
> >
> All the RT bullshit proves to me that Richard's story probably is true and
> that he is probably not a "pedophile."
He admitted he likes looking at pictures of naked children. Is that
normal? Do YOU enjoy that as well?
>
> Posters could have just been honest from the start. I'll bet things would
> have gone differently. Did they even try?
Yes, Roger, we did. Good advice was given to you and you turned around
and attacked the person giving you that advice.
> As if I wanted RT to call a photo of my CDL a fake??? I don't think so.
> Why he ever tried to claim my September 11, 2003 post was a lie was beyond
> me, unless again, that is how an "Exterminator" works, just BULLSHIT
> BULLSHIT BULLSHIT.
Never called it a fake. I said it was one line from the back of
somebodys license from some state. YOU were the bullshitter tryng to
pass that off as proof you held a C DL.
>
> As for the 2 days, I had already planned on that. I wasn't going to reply
> to RT and Dave Ruff hadn't posted, so I didn't have to reply to him.. The
> only reason for this post, is I see RT is trying to use it in another
> BULLSHIT attack.
I responded to the OP and said it was an excellent post. Now how is
THAT an attack on you? Getting a little paranioid, are we? Or is it
your guilty conscience bothering you?
> > Come back and read the posts. If the group has gone back to normal, no
> > posts about you, then we confirm that you and you alone are the
> > problem. But--BIG but here--if you come back and see dozens of posts
> > about you, like you made about Dave Ruff when you thought you'd gotten
> > his account nuked, then it's everyone else who's the problem. Easy,
> > yes? If everyone else is to blame for this mess, then they won't be
> > able to stop posting about you while you're enjoying the holiday.
>
> Ok, sounds good to me. Ask RT to cease while I'm gone.
He, you, and anyone else can ask me to cease but that doesn't mean I
will. Besides, look at the posting history. I respond to your posts
to refute the crap you spew. If you're not posting I won't have to
respond to you, will I?
>
> Also, you make it sound like posters have never baited anybody. Like
> posters will not yell "PLONK" and then immediately start talking crap about
> the poster they "PLONKED."
>
> Is that netiquitte?
No. It's freedom of speech.
Are you supposed to SHIT on someone you have openly
> placed in your KF? I thought you were just suppossed to ignore them and not
> say anything. Where are the rules on that?
The purpose of a killfile is to filter you out so one doesn't HAVE to
read your crap. One CAN read it and respond to it if one feels like
it.
>
> ------------------------
>
> > Can you stop posting for just 2 days, over a holiday? Can you manage
> > just 48 hours without posting, to see if maybe you're right and it's
> > everyone else who is the problem?
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting you can't, but I'm always willing to be proven
> > wrong.
>
> First, in December of last year, I have gone at least 2 weeks, where I would
> only post on the weekends. I'm sure I can do that again, if RT can settle
> with that.
What do I have to do with it. Are we mentaly connected or something?
(God, I hope not). You're a big boy (physiclally, anyway). You don't
need me to assist you in ceasing posting.
>
> You know what is funny, I was going to do just that, I was going to try and
> stop for 2 days until I saw RT using this post for another attack of his
> BULLSHIT, so I decided to reply.
As I asked...how? You must see things in the shadows as well. How do
you sleep at night if you're that paranoid?
Oh well, that just means I'll wait until
> later in the week to post again.
>
> http://RT.is.boring.on.JusticeGoneWild.com/RT.htm
>
> Please reply to this post in e-mail. I would like to avoid posting the rest
> of the weekend.and that would help.
Thank you, Lord!
>
> TNX
> Rocky
Mark Hayward
Well, while I have tried hard to stay on the sidelines and NOT take
sides because I have felt that not taking sides would improve my chances
of talking at least SOMEONE to stop reacting here, BECAUSE it DOES take
AT LEAST ***2*** to tango, I understand what you are saying, montag.
I don't want to rile up the Rocky or who ever he is (I really DON'T care
who he is, nor do I care anything about him, as far as I am concerned,
he is just as much as anyone else, for that matter), but I wonder if
what you are saying is right. It does sometimes seem like it is he who
is the persistant one.
But you know what? It just doesn't matter, because IF we really want
and put our mind to it, WE CAN totally ignore him. Sure, he **might**
even be insane enough to go an entire year continuing to harass, but IF
we don't read and ***IF*** we rise about this and DON'T respond, we can
deflate the issue. Sooner or later the aggrivators will lose interest,
who ever they are. Anyone getting caught up in a pissing contest with
him is just as bad in a way!
This is NOT to say that your wrong about this so called Roger W. But
that other people here are guilty for fueling him. Hell, if he harassed
ME, in the old days I would have reacted myself and attacked him back,
but I am a more mature man now...
So while I appreciate your post here, I think the real point is that we
just ask everyone who has enough maturity and intelligence to just stop
reacting to provocations.
You see, some of them have already tried to provoke ME. It's humurous,
because it won't work.
I have been called a sock puppet, whatever that is. But it does not
affect me in the least, in fact, it is hilarious. If all a man can do
is sling darts and insults at another man, it really proves what he is
worth: nothing. I am certainly no god and I am no great man, but at
least I AM a real man, so provoke me as anyone may try, I am not going
to respond with the insults and attacks. I am NOT trying to insult
anyone who has called me a sock puppet, and I want them to know I don't
care what they say and they can keep it up, it just makes them look bad.
We should all just take at least Sunday off, and, if nothing else,
masterbate or something, if we don't have family, at least come up with
something better than jerking around in here and fighting.
One of my heroes is Dr. Martin Luther King. Everyone here should try
and remember his teaching. I mean, I just humbly suggest everyone do so...
The guys in here should just grow up and forget who is wrong or right,
it really doesn't matter anymore, IF this has gone on for years. And if
this guy is really as much of a nutcase (and no, I am NOT calling him
one, I am just saying IF he is, I don't want to be accused of insulting
anyone here) as people say, he already knows it and will either kill
himself eventually or get mental health assistance, which I hope, God
bless his soul, he does IF he needs it.
All men are equal in the eyes of God, and men must rise above their
PETTY differences if human kind is EVER going to get to join the rest of
the universe as a great civliization...
Just my humble thoughts, no offense intended to anybody.
God Bless Everyone for Easter!
realitytrucker
His own Mother could return from the dead and tell him it's his fault
and he's being an ass and he wouldn't believe it. This guy REFUSES to
take the blame for ANYTHING.
Popeye
"Mark Hayward" <markh...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Dic0g.20972$Kh5....@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>
> Well, while I have tried hard to stay on the sidelines and NOT take sides
That's a lie, as of your second and third post.
> Anyone getting caught up in a pissing contest with him is just as bad in
> a way!
Then like the other hypocritical and pontificating windbags around here,
Dave Smith comes immediately to mind, that would include you.
Just as bad.
> I would have reacted myself and attacked him back, but I am a more mature
> man now...
Actually, you sound pretty much like a pussy, and you have done
virtually -nothing- but react since your first post.
You're just feeding him, purposely as far as I can tell, and exacerbating
the entire situation.
> If all a man can do is sling darts and insults at another man, it really
> proves what he is worth: nothing.
Then thank you for evaluating yourself pompously for the newsgroup.
You've insulted myself and others here numerous times without provocation,
and repeatedly compared yourself to us as the wiser, more mature man.
On your second post you described me as a "little kiddie", if you'd like
to repeat that in person, it could be arranged.
I live in Gatlinburg.
You must be one of those "decent Christians" I read about.
Put your $10 in the plate one Sunday a month, and that makes you better
than the rest of us.
Fuck off, asshole.
> One of my heroes is Dr. Martin Luther King. Everyone here should try and
> remember his teaching. I mean, I just humbly suggest everyone do so...
I tend more to remember how he died.
Just like Gandhi and Bobby and Jack.
Don't make me laugh.
Mark Hayward
Well, God bless you, Popeye, sorry if I insulted you, I really
apologize, as it certainly was not my intention. But it isn't nice to
say such hostile things, it just isn't mature. I am not saying that in
the rest of your life your not a better man, but why not take a higher
road here?
May God bless you and may you have a wonderful holiday and rest of the
weekend.
Peace.
Rocky
"Popeye" <Pop...@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
news:1242mvl...@news.supernews.com...
Ya, he reminds me of the preacher that says don't put down your crooked
neighbor, all in the same breath of air.
He means well, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Popeye
>
> Well, God bless you, Popeye, sorry if I insulted you, I really apologize,
> as it certainly was not my intention.
Then why do you continue to do it, later in this post?
>But it isn't nice to say such hostile things, it just isn't mature.
Please explain, precisely and at length, why your provoking actions are
"mature" and why mine are "immature".
I served in the Marines in the seventies, and have led a fully and
unusually productive life since then.
Who the fuck are you to judge my maturity?
Who the fuck are you to mediate my disagreement with another, that you
know nothing about?
> I am not saying that in the rest of your life your not a better man, but
> why not take a higher road here?
Please explain, precisely and at length, why my interaction with
the -other- dumbass is not "taking the higher road?
> May God bless you and may you have a wonderful holiday and rest of the
> weekend.
You, sir, are both self righteous, and stand in judgment of your fellow
man.
> Peace.
"Only the dead will know the end of war" - Plato
--
"The fishermen know that the sea is dangerous and the storms
terrible, but they have never found these dangers sufficient
reason for remaining ashore." - Vincent van Gogh
Gashauler
"Rocky" <woo...@att.net> wrote in message
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that breakdown.
Rocky
Gashauler wrote in message ...
>
> http://RT.is.boring.on.JusticeGoneWild.com/RT.htm
>
>Are you sure the doctor has you on the right medications? Still seams to be
>that breakdown.
No, all I have to do is leave here and start playing MP3s. No problem.
Besides, I've been through a lot worse than you have ever thrown at me.
Have fun with your mudslinging contest. BTW it looks like you beat out the
other major "Harassing Moron" today, but I am sure RT will be at it
tomorrow.
Rocky http://wookiee.home.att.net
Claimer:
It still looks like a post on December 16, 2003 and a post on December 25,
2003 help explain RT's demise into nothing but a Harassing Moron.
The irony of this is. In the first few months that RT harassed me, he was
claiming I was defending Richard or that I was Richard. After being a
subject of relentless harassment myself from a couple of "Harassing Morons",
seeing how easy BS starts and cascades through a newsgroup, building from
poster to poster, I find Richard's story very plausible and that he just
might *not* be what others want you to believe about him.
Updated last: 04/15/2006
Above with links can be found at:
www.mtt.JusticeGoneWild.com/RT.htm
Dave
"Popeye" <Pop...@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
> Peace.
--
See Popeye that is your Jarhead logic coming to the fore again.
Shame on you for seeing everything black and white...
Don't you know there is 100 shades of grey?
Dave