When is this group going back to talking about trucking?
karen_d...@truckersmail.com
Karen Company trainer
Roger Shoaf
this group has been hijacked by people that have no particular interest in
trucking, but rather have another agenda.
Perhaps you can offer up a topic or two that will restore the focus of the
group.
As an example, winter is coming up, perhaps you can make some suggestions or
ask some questions that will assist the rest of the group in dealing with
the additional tasks of bad weather.
As an example an old timer suggested to me that it is extremely important to
keep your fifth wheel well greased when there is possibility of snow or ice
as this improves the tracking of the trailer directly behind the tractor.
He explained that if the trailer was off tracking just a little bit, this
was the start of a jack knife if a panic stop was needed.
--
Roger Shoaf
If knowledge is power, and power corrupts, what does this say about the
Congress?
<karen_d...@truckersmail.com> wrote in message
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Jordon
<karen_d...@truckersmail.com> wrote
> When is this group going back to talking about trucking?
> Karen Company trainer
What, like this?...
>The other rumor I heard is that Joanne didn't want to
> get a haircut and Jill didn't want Tommy as a BWAS
> servant.
--
Jordon
Dave Smith
> As an example an old timer suggested to me that it is extremely important to
> keep your fifth wheel well greased when there is possibility of snow or ice
> as this improves the tracking of the trailer directly behind the tractor.
> He explained that if the trailer was off tracking just a little bit, this
> was the start of a jack knife if a panic stop was needed.
>
I guess his idea is that if the trailer is going to jacknife it is not going to
swing the back end of the trailer too :-)
Fifth wheels should always be well lubricated. My older brother is a truck
mechanic and told me about a guy who brought his truck in for a new steering
box. My brother didn't think there was anything wrong with it, but the guy
insisted on a new one. At that time, a steering box for an International was
about $950. So my brother replaced the steering box and took the truck out for
a test drive and everything was working fine.
The guy was not happy. He brought the truck back and insisted on another
steering box. So a second one was put on. He test drive it and it was fine. The
guy cam back, all upset that about the ongoing problem. My brother had been
test driving it bobtailing. He tried it with the trailer and there was a
problem. He brought it back to the shop, dropped the trailer, greased the 5th
wheel, hooked the trailer up and the trouble was gone. The poor dumb driver had
had his truck in the shop three times and paid a lot of money for a problem that
he was told did not exist, and as it turned out, he could have cured with a few
cents worth of grease.
Roger Shoaf
"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Roger Shoaf wrote:
>
> > As an example an old timer suggested to me that it is extremely
important to
> > keep your fifth wheel well greased when there is possibility of snow or
ice
> > as this improves the tracking of the trailer directly behind the
tractor.
> > He explained that if the trailer was off tracking just a little bit,
this
> > was the start of a jack knife if a panic stop was needed.
> >
>
> I guess his idea is that if the trailer is going to jacknife it is not
going to
> swing the back end of the trailer too :-)
>
No his suggestion was based on the fact that if a trailer was not tracking
straight due to some resistance in the fifth wheel it was a jack knife
waiting to happen as the trailer was out of line with the tractor. He was
suggesting that if the trailer was dead in line with the tractor then if the
rear wheels did break traction there would be no side forces to start the
jack knife.
> Fifth wheels should always be well lubricated.
So true.
--
__
Roger Shoaf
Important factors in selecting a mate:
1] Depth of gene pool
2] Position on the food chain.
Concerned
> Karen Company trainer
What you are seeing is another MTT "Flame War."
Richard used to be the target of the last one and then in December 2003,
tscottme and gashauler put Rocky in the list of targets of their Flame War.
Neither tscottme or gashauler wants to admit that Rocky drives a truck for a
living. It doesn't matter what Rocky says, how many photos of his trucks he
post, or what he says, who they talk to, they will never change their false
opinion.
They both try to start hate groups by using meaningless labels. You can
look at any of their recent post to see what I'm talking about.
Probably the worst part is, if someone new comes into this group and says
they thing Rocky drives a truck, they will also be added to the list of
targets. It is a stupid game played by tscottme, Alpha, gashauler,
realitytrucker SloRide and I hate to say it, even Joyce.
The "Acceptable Use Policy" for there ISP, comcast.net, does not allow
gashauler or tscottme to start hate groups like they have, so it is a
reportable offence, but if comcast.net does anything about them, that will
be
a different story.
From the Acceptable Use Police" for the ISP used by gashauler and tscottme
"post, store, send, transmit, or disseminate any information or material
which a reasonable person could deem to be hateful. . ."
Dave Smith
> <karen_d...@truckersmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1129654363.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > When is this group going back to talking about trucking?
> > Karen Company trainer
>
> What you are seeing is another MTT "Flame War."
>
> Richard used to be the target of the last one and then in December 2003,
> tscottme and gashauler put Rocky in the list of targets of their Flame War.
Christ. Is he now talking to or about himself in the third person? Or is the
this 5th or 6th person?
plonk
Brian Smith
>
> Christ. Is he now talking to or about himself in the third person? Or is
> the
> this 5th or 6th person?
It's truly an epidemic. Perhaps there is a government agency in the States
that could deal with this situation.
Dave Smith
>
> > I guess his idea is that if the trailer is going to jacknife it is not
> going to
> > swing the back end of the trailer too :-)
> >
>
> No his suggestion was based on the fact that if a trailer was not tracking
> straight due to some resistance in the fifth wheel it was a jack knife
> waiting to happen as the trailer was out of line with the tractor. He was
> suggesting that if the trailer was dead in line with the tractor then if the
> rear wheels did break traction there would be no side forces to start the
> jack knife.
Oops.... I meant to say that it was not going to swing the back end of the
tractor. Obviously, the trailer is already swinging.
Proper brake adjustment is also an important factor in jacknifing. A friend of
mine who has been driving tractor trailers for 35 years always wanted his brakes
set a little tighter on the right so that if the trailer was going to jacknife
it would be more likely to go to the right than to the left, hitting the
shoulder instead of oncoming traffic.
The major problem with jack knifing is locking up the brakes. ABS is a big help.
It may increase stopping distance slightly, but more often than not it is better
to stop a little further down the road than to be sliding down the road
sideways.
gashauler
>>
> Oops.... I meant to say that it was not going to swing the back end of the
> tractor. Obviously, the trailer is already swinging.
>
> Proper brake adjustment is also an important factor in jacknifing. A
> friend of
> mine who has been driving tractor trailers for 35 years always wanted his
> brakes
> set a little tighter on the right so that if the trailer was going to
> jacknife
> it would be more likely to go to the right than to the left, hitting the
> shoulder instead of oncoming traffic.
>
> The major problem with jack knifing is locking up the brakes. ABS is a big
> help.
> It may increase stopping distance slightly, but more often than not it is
> better
> to stop a little further down the road than to be sliding down the road
> sideways.
>
trailers running super singles ABS was a GOD SEND. In the desert when it
rains for the first time in a long time the roads are like ice and without
ABS and running empty you could not stop as soon as you'd like. After the
ABS came in of course we had concerns like the old 121 system. The company
sent a rep from Rockwell to our terminal and reassured us they were nothing
like the old system and they're not. After it rained the boss and I tried
the system and we were amazed. We were lucky that our trucks were a complete
unit with the same trailer all the time. So the sysytem worked on all the
axles. Now all we had to do was to remember to lift the drop axle after
unloading. You can't steer with that much pressure being forced down right
behind the steer axle. But I can guarantee you that you'll only forget
once!!!!
gashauler
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Brian Smith
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>
> Well I think there is Brian. The District Attorney for Rock Island Co. IL.
I would believe that would be the person to do the job then.
Roger Shoaf
> Proper brake adjustment is also an important factor in jacknifing. A
friend of
> mine who has been driving tractor trailers for 35 years always wanted his
brakes
> set a little tighter on the right so that if the trailer was going to
jacknife
> it would be more likely to go to the right than to the left, hitting the
> shoulder instead of oncoming traffic.
I'm not so sure that that is a good idea. I might be wrong on this but I
suspect that even if a differential adjustment would be a good idea (not
sure of this) most of a trucks time is spent on interstate highways, and I
assume that in Canada the same is true. (I have only ventured a few miles
North of the boarder and only in BC) If a trailer were to jack knife to
the right would this be a consistant advantage? Seems to me if you were in
the right hand lane and your trailer started to jack knife left you would
stand a goot chance of bouncing off another vehicle and keep the trailer
more in line with the tractor. If there was no vehicle to your left, skid
control would have you steering to the left any way if you could react fast
enough. Also if the trailer went to the right, and the tires left the
roadway and into the ditch this might be more of a problem.
Before I got my CDL I was driving a step van on a 2 lane and had a blow out
on the left rear. I was S turning and had to snug it really hard right to
avoid a head on and my right wheels left the pavement. The gravel was a
little loose and since I had no traction on my right rear the tail end of
the truck ended up slipping sideways, and I ended up rolling 2 1/2 times.
Other than a nasty cut On my scalp I was OK and walked away. The point
being the pavement may be your friend.
>
> The major problem with jack knifing is locking up the brakes. ABS is a big
help.
> It may increase stopping distance slightly, but more often than not it is
better
> to stop a little further down the road than to be sliding down the road
> sideways.
I believe that if ABS is working properly it actually reduces the stopping
distance as it can pump the brakes a whole lot faster than the driver can.
I have tested this on cars and the ABS really does the job.
Dave Smith
> I'm not so sure that that is a good idea. I might be wrong on this but I
> suspect that even if a differential adjustment would be a good idea (not
> sure of this) most of a trucks time is spent on interstate highways, and I
> assume that in Canada the same is true. (I have only ventured a few miles
> North of the boarder and only in BC) If a trailer were to jack knife to
> the right would this be a consistant advantage? Seems to me if you were in
> the right hand lane and your trailer started to jack knife left you would
> stand a goot chance of bouncing off another vehicle and keep the trailer
> more in line with the tractor. If there was no vehicle to your left, skid
> control would have you steering to the left any way if you could react fast
> enough. Also if the trailer went to the right, and the tires left the
> roadway and into the ditch this might be more of a problem.
>
> Before I got my CDL I was driving a step van on a 2 lane and had a blow out
> on the left rear. I was S turning and had to snug it really hard right to
> avoid a head on and my right wheels left the pavement. The gravel was a
> little loose and since I had no traction on my right rear the tail end of
> the truck ended up slipping sideways, and I ended up rolling 2 1/2 times.
> Other than a nasty cut On my scalp I was OK and walked away. The point
> being the pavement may be your friend.
The major corridors here in Ontario are 4 lane or more, but there are a lot od
two lane highways too. I am not sure that I would want to be sliding to the
right on some of the highways through BC where the back end might be going over
the side of a mountain. It's a long way down. Jack knifing is never a good
thing, but if you do, and the trailer goes to the left into of coming traffic,
the person coming the other way is not going to be a happy camper. BTW... there
was a news report earlier this week about a tractor trailer that jack knifed
across the highway and got tangled up with a bus.
>
> > The major problem with jack knifing is locking up the brakes. ABS is a big
> help.
> > It may increase stopping distance slightly, but more often than not it is
> better
> > to stop a little further down the road than to be sliding down the road
> > sideways.
>
> I believe that if ABS is working properly it actually reduces the stopping
> distance as it can pump the brakes a whole lot faster than the driver can.
> I have tested this on cars and the ABS really does the job.
The jury seems to be out on that one. I had read some time ago that stopping
distances can be increased but that it was better to stop with control than to
stop shorter. I just did a quick search and found conflicting answers. Some said
that stopping distances were shorter with ABS and others said that is not
necessarily so. Here is what it said in the MSN Car and Truck Repair ABS site:
Do cars with ABS stop more quickly than cars without? ABS is designed to help
the driver maintain control of the vehicle during emergency braking situations,
not make the car stop more quickly. ABS may shorten stopping distances on wet or
slippery roads and many systems will shorten stopping distances on dry roads. On
very soft surfaces, such as loose gravel or unpacked snow, an ABS system may
actually lengthen stopping distances. In wet or slippery conditions, you should
still make sure you drive carefully, always keep a safe distance behind the
vehicle in front of you, and maintain a speed consistent with the road
conditions.
Trickie
leaned over to the pick something off the passenger side floor when he
knocked the PTO to "engaged" and on that set-up it activated the maxis on
the drive locking them up. He ended up jack knifing off the road.The truck
was fitted with ABS and it was said that if he had applied the foot brake it
would of activated the ABS function and stopped the drive lock up. Any
thoughts?
Whitelightning
"Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> I believe that if ABS is working properly it actually reduces the stopping
> distance as it can pump the brakes a whole lot faster than the driver can.
> I have tested this on cars and the ABS really does the job.
>
> --
> Roger Shoaf
ABS will help on slick roads, but on dry pavement ABS stops take longer.
Its a trade off, but a good trade off. GM tests ran back in 1989 showed an
average of 2% further to stop on dry pavement. 2% on a loaded rig is what,
an extra 20-30 feet?
Whitelightning
Roger Shoaf
>
> The major corridors here in Ontario are 4 lane or more, but there are a
lot od
> two lane highways too. I am not sure that I would want to be sliding to
the
> right on some of the highways through BC where the back end might be going
over
> the side of a mountain. It's a long way down. Jack knifing is never a
good
> thing, but if you do, and the trailer goes to the left into of coming
traffic,
> the person coming the other way is not going to be a happy camper. BTW...
there
> was a news report earlier this week about a tractor trailer that jack
knifed
> across the highway and got tangled up with a bus.
I agree that jack knifing is always bad. I think however even if you could
bias the trailer to prefer a left or a right jack knife you would be as
likely to guess wrong as you would right.
Ah the last part is the key. Following distance is always better long than
short. One should not rely on ABS anymore than one should rely on his
brakes going down hill when he (or she) has an option to use the gears and
the engine compression.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
gashauler
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(which would be connected to any pump) the brakes set. The system is not
hooked into the ABS. His actions would be under review at my company!
gashauler
>>
> Ah the last part is the key. Following distance is always better long
> than
> short. One should not rely on ABS anymore than one should rely on his
> brakes going down hill when he (or she) has an option to use the gears and
> the engine compression.
>
> --
>
>
The road is sloped to the right to allow for drainage so most trailers go to
the right when the brakes are locked.
Second, you're wrong about relying on ABS. In my book the engine brake
should only be used for going down hills. Most cities do not want engine
brakes to be used after a certain hour.
I drove an oversized tanker in the city. Using gears and an engine brake is
not in the picture. When someone pulls out of a shopping store and you're on
the surface street you'd be thankful for ABS if you were empty. We did not
have the luxury of over the road driving when most dangers are seen ahead.
If we jackknifed we would it another car because we were always in traffic
except for late at night. Our point wasn't that fact that we could stop
sooner we loved the fact that we could stop sooner and stay straight. When
the streets are wet you just can't apply the same brake pressure as ABS. If
you do your trailer will lock and surely go to the right. Try hooking a pup
onto your semi and drive around the city to all the gas stations. BTW if
anyone wants to see the trucks I'm talking about there on
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/mark_wayman_western_tanker01.htm
Dave Smith
> First off the brakes should be adjusted equally or as closest you can get.
> The road is sloped to the right to allow for drainage so most trailers go to
> the right when the brakes are locked.
>
> Second, you're wrong about relying on ABS. In my book the engine brake
> should only be used for going down hills. Most cities do not want engine
> brakes to be used after a certain hour.
I didn't get the impression that he was suggesting that you should downshift and
use a jake on hills. It is always good advice to gear down before cresting a
hill and let the engine help to control the speed. I was trained to go down a
steep hill in the same gear that you would use to go up.
Joyce
When are they going to talk about trucking,
Well, let me see, if RR would stop all
his alters, and move along,
If your group would get serious about
trucking.
and the others who come in one day
make a stupid statement and leave.
so far that is the answer,,,when I guess
that stops, or y'all leave. we can get
to trucking....
Anything else?????
joyce.
Trickie
being ABS,would these have over ridden the PTO activated brakes and stopped
the drive lock up?
Whitelightning
> I didn't get the impression that he was suggesting that you should
downshift and
> use a jake on hills. It is always good advice to gear down before
cresting a
> hill and let the engine help to control the speed. I was trained to go
down a
> steep hill in the same gear that you would use to go up.
>
10-15 years ago that was good advice, today its out of date. Today's trucks
have
more power and can pull grades in much higher gears than when that advice
was good.
Deduct the grade rating from number of gears and use the results, ie 6%
grade, 10 speed,
down in 4th. If the tranny has multiple over drives, don't count them.
I.e. if ya got a 13 spd
with 3 over count it as an eleven speed.
Remember you can never go too slow down a grade, you'll only go to fast
once.
Whitelightning
Roger Shoaf
> Second, you're wrong about relying on ABS. In my book the engine brake
> should only be used for going down hills. Most cities do not want engine
> brakes to be used after a certain hour.
>
You are correct, I apologise for my use of the term hill. I should have
used the term mountain as in the Rockies, Cascades, Sieria Nevada etc.
These places are where I have seen the cowboys flying down the grade with
smoke coming from their brakes and I am real glad they are in front of me.
I used to run I80 alot, and often I could make it from Truckee to Auburn
without steping on the brake. I liked the idea that my brakes were not hot
if I did need to use them.
Mail Hauler
>
> I used to run I80 alot, and often I could make it from Truckee to Auburn
> without steping on the brake. I liked the idea that my brakes were not
> hot
> if I did need to use them.
>
I make that little hill on an almost daily basis. It is becomming very
commonplace to smell that smell of freshly roasted brakes almost every day.
The new breed of wannabe truck drivers are truly dangerous... expecially
since most of the said road is under construction now.
linda...@truckersmail.com
I have a question about ABS brakes. Our tractor is equiped with ABS
but most of the trailers we pull, still don't have ABS Brakes. I notice
that the ABS light sometimes comes on when pulling a nonABS trailer,
usually in wet weather. The light stays on till we shut down and
restart the engine. What's happening? Are ABS brakes any advantage when
they are on the tractor but not the trailer?
Thank you.
Linda / Elmer
SLW TRK
Tri...@truckie.com.au (Trickie);
>gashauler;
>This is all true, and he was in do do up to his
>neck,but the foot brakes being ABS,would
>these have over ridden the PTO activated
>brakes and stopped the drive lock up?
No. I'm 99% sure. The pto activated brakes are
the parking brakes Two different systems.
No doubt your friend deserves the do-do, but
I'd think a company that hauls gas would install a pto switch that can't
be accidentally engaged by such foolishness.
__
Nick
gashauler
"SLW TRK" <JO1...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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That's EXACTLY right. It's just like the fire bottles are on the opposite
side of the unloading spouts ( on most trucks ) and the emergency switch for
the internals are located at the rear of the trailer or the front of the
truck. IOW the safety devices are away from where a fire would most likely
be.
But from my past experience a gasoline truck that has a pump is a common
carrier truck and a lot of those companies just don't keep up with the
majors when it comes to safety and how the truck is laid out.
gashauler
now days sometimes you need to go slower. Our trucks loaded to 110,000 lbs
I'd go down a 6% at 25 mph basically. It depends on some many factors. I've
seen a lot of truck go down Mountain Pass or the Baker grade at 55 mph but
they sure came up slower. If you don't know the grade just slow down. Then
I've seen trucks go down the Lauglin grade on the NV side at 55 mph and sit
at the bottom with smoke pouring off their brakes. There's no set gear or
speed anymore because the trucks and the roads have improved over the years.
But it's good to know you were taught by an old timer!!
gashauler
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controlled environment. Nice long and flat roads or pavement. It's not a
real world test. Before ABS, if I was empty and stood on the brakes one or
more axles are going to lock up. When they do the trailer will follow the
slope in the road, to the right. So you need to pump the brakes to stop the
skid. And in real world situations while you're pumping the brakes to make
that quick stop you eyes keep looking for the trailer to come around. With
ABS that situation is eliminated and you can have a better picture by
keeping your eyes moving. And you stop quicker because there's more pressure
on the brakes.
Now with a loaded truck you might stop in the same distance because the
likelihood of locking the brakes up are reduced. I know semi's are a lot
different than truck and trailers and I guess I got spoiled but I'd much
rather have the pivot point at the rear of my truck instead of on top of the
drives. Now if you want to talk about scary trailers and not being able to
stop real quick, try 3 of them. ABS was a dream that would never come true
on triples. Too many drop and hooks to have a good system. Of course all of
this is only my opinion
Concerned
"Joyce" <JoyceI...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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A few things wrong Joyce
1. Zčke started all the nymshifting crap when he took my name AND e-mail
address.
2. Whoever took my name AND e-mail address the last time, just a week or so
ago, was sort of like saying, I want your name and e-mail, you can take
someone else's.
3. Look at all Dave Ruff's crap. He doesn't care if what I've posted was
honest. He makes it look like I don't know what I do from driving a truck.
What an ass he is.
I could bring up post after post after post that proves Dave Ruff is BSing
and what actually set him off. Do you want me to?
Look how much time this group has wasted calling me a "Wanna be Truck
Driver" when the fact remains, even if I were, what difference would it
really make? I should still be allowed to post here.
Joyce, I haven't got time for your shit either. Do not bring up my name
again. Thanks.
Yours Truly
Rocky
<karen_d...@truckersmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> When is this group going back to talking about trucking?
Before it can get back to trucks posters here have to realize they have been
the victim of two Newsgroup Hijackers where the most outspoken Newsgroup
Hijacker is named Dave Ruff but posters here are too stupid to see that.
Posters here enjoy being assholes and think it is all fun and games but that
is why it was so easy Dave Ruff to use the posters here with his newsgroup
hijacking and turning the direction of the newsgroup toward a single poster
instead of the subject of trucks.
> Karen Company trainer
best wishes
http://MTT.JusticeGoneWild.com
Rocky
Doug McCrary
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>
> <karen_d...@truckersmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> When is this group going back to talking about trucking?
It'd help if you shut up about years old posts, and stup 'bump' ing them.