http://news.com.com/Hackers+probe+Outlook+Express+flaw/2100-7349_3-5761537.html?tag=nefd.top
>For those who use this bloated MS software...
>
>http://news.com.com/Hackers+probe+Outlook+Express+flaw/2100-7349_3-5761537.html?tag=nefd.top
Well, what else is new?
Outhouse Distress is what ruined my old computer by allowing a virus to get
through in an e-mail (which it opened automatically).
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>I've NEVER EVER heard of E-mails "Opening Automatically".
The version of Outhouse Depress that came with the disastrous Windows 98
opened e-mails automatically.
>And you weren't running anti-virus software?
At the time (late 2003), the Swen virus was too new for antivirus software
to detect it.
>Fact is, you just screwed up, and didn't know how to fix it, and couldn't be
>bothered to learn.
That's because it's not my job to learn.
> For those who use this bloated MS software...
>
> http://news.com.com/Hackers+probe+Outlook+Express+flaw/2100-7349_3-5761537.html?tag=nefd.top
One of my favorite exploits was the following:
<html>
<input type crash>
</html>
I don't know if it still works or not...
"It requires a reasonable amount of user intervention, which lowers the
overall risk,"
There is a difference between smart computing and stupid computing.
That difference is the human using the computer.
The difference isn't the software and hardware.
It never has been and never will be.
If you want to do something stupid, just exactly how is Microsoft supposed
to stop you?
Oh Hackers....come out and play. (There's a line the AFI should of put in
it's top 100 back Tuesday)
You have to go to a newsgroup controlled by one of these hackers to be
effected. Does MTR qualify?
Now what's a worse way to view MTR; Via google (as is) or Outlook Express?
--
Sandor Gulyas
Graduate Student - Louisiana St. University
Dept. of Geography & Anthropology
"Many people talking
But a mighty few people know"
-- Alick "Rice" Miller (aka Sunny Boy Williamson [II]) from Dissatisfied
>>Fact is, you just screwed up, and didn't know how to fix it, and couldn't
>>be
>>bothered to learn.
>
> That's because it's not my job to learn.
How very Republican of you.
> --
>
> Buy my book here:
>
> http://www.lulu.com/content/112781 (recommended)
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=1411626559
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1411626559
--
> Microsoft owes Tim Brown it's eternal gratitude, because he deigns to use
> their OS, he's a SPECIAL person, because he had a hard life, and the world
> owes him bigtime. Haven't you been paying attention?
Tim lives by the Groucho Marx saying, "Whatever you are for, I'm against
it!" (from Duck Soup, IIRC)
> --
> Comrade Don Yamamoto
> http://mryamamoto.50megs.com
If you had had a Mac you wouldn't have had that problem.
>That's painfully obvious. For such a "progressive", "radical" kinda guy like
>yrself, I find it interesting that you don't mind having yr computer run by
>an OS from a major corporation-an OS that you don't even OWN,
It's my computer, I own it.
Besides that, I work hard for a living, and I don't have time to "make" a
computer, when that's not my job. The only programming language I know is
BASIC anyway.
Finally, an explanation for your sorry excuse of a life.
--Andy
--------------------------------------------------
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Software Engineer
Beaverton, OR
http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways
--------------------------------------------------
>Finally, an explanation for your sorry excuse of a life.
What's yours?
>Tim lives by the Groucho Marx saying, "Whatever you are for, I'm against
>it!" (from Duck Soup, IIRC)
Is Groucho Marx the secret love child of Richard Marx and Oscar the Grouch?
Just joking!
Or if he were running linux. Whatever. Not like he listens or anything.
--
Comrade Mister Yamamoto
http://mryamamoto.50megs.com
>For those who use this bloated MS software...
>
>http://news.com.com/Hackers+probe+Outlook+Express+flaw/2100-7349_3-5761537.html?tag=nefd.top
This is not the worst flaw in Outbreak Express. The worst one is the
way it encourages top-posting.
>If you want to do something stupid, just exactly how is Microsoft supposed
>to stop you?
I don't know, but they had better find a way DAMMIT!!!
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:04:20 +0000, Comrade Mister Duke of Yamamoto
> <mryam...@optonline.net> said:
>
>>That's painfully obvious. For such a "progressive", "radical" kinda guy
>>like yrself, I find it interesting that you don't mind having yr computer
>>run by an OS from a major corporation-an OS that you don't even OWN,
>
> It's my computer, I own it.
Reading is FUNdamental. Did I say you didn't own the computer? No. Yes you
own the computer. You do NOT own the software. Ever hear of a EULA or of
the GPL? Of course not. That's "not your job to know". Too bad for you
because it still applies to you, like it or not.
>
> Besides that, I work hard for a living, and I don't have time to "make" a
> computer, when that's not my job. The only programming language I know is
> BASIC anyway.
>
Not like I do, there eh? One of our LOX dewars(170 lbs full) would squish
you like a bug. I regularly throw 10-12 full ones around a week. Never mind
beds, a variety of oxygen tanks, and any number of implements of
destruction that are bulky and fun to move.
So who needs to know a programming language to run an alternate operating
system? I know some general principles of how programming languages run,
that's it. As far as "making" a computer; it takes about 3 hours to go from
parts to an operational machine. Add an hour if yr installing Winblows. It
costs you 1/3 the amount of $ or less, if you don't mind dumpster
diving-amazing what bits you can cop to if you keep yr eyes open.
But then you work hard, and had a hard life, and yadda yadda, and we all owe
you, etc. Bah. For a "prog" and "radical" guy, you sound a whole lot like a
republican. Actually, some republicans seem to be able to exercise more
mental flexibility that you do. There are at least a few of them that can
run linux, which it seems, you can't even manage. You are SO pathetic.
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:44:41 -0700, "Andrew Tompkins"
> <and...@comcast.net> said:
>
>>Finally, an explanation for your sorry excuse of a life.
>
> What's yours?
>
Note his title-"Software Engineer". That means he writes the stoof that
tells YOUR computer what to do. You can't even log on without crashing your
box. Who's sorrier?
>Note his title-"Software Engineer". That means he writes the stoof that
>tells YOUR computer what to do.
And you notice I don't, because it's not my job.
>You do NOT own the software.
Uh, I purchased my copy of the software. The copy I purchased is mine, all
mine.
>For a "prog" and "radical" guy, you sound a whole lot like a
>republican.
I'm not the one going around making fun of people for having it harder in
life than other people.
>>For a "prog" and "radical" guy, you sound a whole lot like a
>>republican.
>
> I'm not the one going around making fun of people for having it harder in
> life than other people.
I think I can find 1,000 people within 1 square mile of my apartment who
have it harder in life than you, Timmy.
You could be black, 60 years old, a sharecropper, and living in the Delta.
Then we could talk about having a "tough life."
> --
>
> Buy my book here:
>
> http://www.lulu.com/content/112781 (recommended)
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=1411626559
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1411626559
--
Let's not criticise others for knowledge (initially) unobtained. This sort
of behaviour is what *pro-creates* conflict in this world. If you're upset
with someone else--meaning someone *outside* of MTR--please discuss matters
with him or her, and avoid transferring frustration on *others*.
Standardisation of subjectivity is a fallacy.
Cheers,
Carl Rogers
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"Comrade Mister The Duke of The Yamamoto" <m...@flop.bop> wrote in message
news:pdhve.82$SQ1...@fe09.lga...
What the hell are you talking about?!?
It's scary how MS software was back in the mid-to-late 90s! When Bill Gates
announced that his company caught the "Internet bug" (...in a euphemistic
sense, not dysphemistic one), it seems the company hastily made software to
capture the emerging market. The initial benefit was "native" Internet
support for most vanilla-versions of Win9X--but the security holes in the
software could easily allow a hacker through. In that sense, I can
absolutely sympathise w/ the stress Outlook Express caused you when it
tinkered w/ your PC.
At a school I once attended, an equally-devastating problem was going on...
Virii would write to floppy-disks from library workstations. It was a
matter of months before (almost) every workstation in the school was
infected w/ the virii. IIRC, all virii were 16-bit applications.
...I fathom how many students brought the infected floppy-disks home, and as
a resuly, hosed their installations of Win 3.1x and Win9X.
> "Random Waftings Of Bunker Blasts" <mister19...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:42bdb89a....@news.iglou.com...
>> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:40:07 +0000, Comrade Mister The Duke of The
>> Yamamoto
>
>>>For a "prog" and "radical" guy, you sound a whole lot like a
>>>republican.
>>
>> I'm not the one going around making fun of people for having it harder in
>> life than other people.
>
> I think I can find 1,000 people within 1 square mile of my apartment who
> have it harder in life than you, Timmy.
> You could be black, 60 years old, a sharecropper, and living in the Delta.
> Then we could talk about having a "tough life."
>
But they didn't go to Brossart Catholic High school. Nor did my ventilator
patients, or my oxygen patients, or people who need a variety of medical
items due to orthopedic insults, etc. Nope, nobody has had as hard a life
as Tim.
Oh, yeah, CMOS was an old pal o'mine in the Win 95 daze.
>I think I can find 1,000 people within 1 square mile of my apartment who
>have it harder in life than you, Timmy.
I bet you could find precisely zero.
> or people who need a variety of medical
> items due to _orthopedic insults_
Your comminuted fracture of your olecranon looks stupid to me ;)
Timmy, you personify so many of the characteristics of what is truly
wrong with the USA right now!!! Timmy, you are blessed with luxury that
95% of the world would envy. Yet you complain because things aren't
handed to you. You take no responsibility for your own actions, and
blame everyone else with things don't go precisely your way! You sit
there and whine about how rough you have it, and no else has it as bad
as you! WHAT A CRY BABY YOU ARE!!! GROW UP!!!!
Timmy, you wouldn't know a hard life if it came up and bit you in the
butt!! People with hard lives are struggling to pay their food and
electric bills while working two jobs! They don't have money to afford
computers! Much less internet service! Much less having lots of spare
hours to sit here and post notes!!
Timmy, you don't know how good you have it!!! Quit your 'poor me' pity
fest and go find out what a -REAL- hard life is!
--
I just had one of those "what the hell am I doing?" moments.
-Adam Savage, Mythbuster
>Timmy, you are blessed with luxury that
>95% of the world would envy. Yet you complain because things aren't
>handed to you.
When I was in 8th grade, I wasn't the one who bitched about the class trip
being in Fort Knox instead of the Bahamas. It was everyone else (not me) who
pissed and moaned about that.
>You take no responsibility for your own actions, and blah blah blah blah
>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Take this crap back to 1994, Newt. Nobody cares to listen to it now.
> Carl Rogers wrote:
>
>>
>>> The version of Outhouse Depress that came with the disastrous Windows 98
>>> opened e-mails automatically.
>>
>> It's scary how MS software was back in the mid-to-late 90s!
Like it's any better today? It's bad enough that Gates and his boys resort
to lying about it,(http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/06/23/2027229)
because Linux is chewing up the server market. Novell bought SuSE(a decent
distro), and has given Bill the old heave ho; Unisys is chatting up the
folks at Red Hat; and IBM likes liniux, too. The main experience I've had
with XP is that it's getting progressively more inoperable. Win 2K is
officially off the support cycle, and NT Server is too-these being the only
things close to tenable OS's from Redmond. Server 2K3 sales are sluggish,
and who will really want to pay $200+ for a Longhorn upgrade if it comes
out? I've heard that Longhorn may be even worse than XP is now-comments
from beta testers aren't favourable.
>Timmy, you personify so many of the characteristics of what is truly
>wrong with the USA right now!!!
And by the way, there's always Iran or Singapore.
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:21:31 -0500, Rich Piehl
> <rpiehl5R...@FORNOSPAMcharter.net> said:
>
>
>>Timmy, you are blessed with luxury that
>>95% of the world would envy. Yet you complain because things aren't
>>handed to you.
>
>
> When I was in 8th grade, I wasn't the one who bitched about the class trip
> being in Fort Knox instead of the Bahamas. It was everyone else (not me) who
> pissed and moaned about that.
>
Boo-hoo. When was it you were wondering where your next meal was coming
from? Or when was it you were in danger of losing your house?
>
>>You take no responsibility for your own actions, and blah blah blah blah
>>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>
>
> Take this crap back to 1994, Newt. Nobody cares to listen to it now.
You just proved my point. Maybe someday you'll get a -REAL- education
in the School of Hard Knocks. Come back and talk to me when you have.
Till then, shut your pie hole, cry baby!
>
> --
>
> Buy my book "I am a whining crybaby" Comes complete with diapers and a pacifier.
Baby powder and strained peas available at a discount.
>Till then, shut your pie hole, cry baby!
Till then, go fuck yourself, asshole.
I'm sick of hearing spoiled assholes like you bitch all the time.
... this thread has gone downhill quite fast...
Why can't people just ignore posts they don't agree with and stop the
flaming?
>... this thread has gone downhill quite fast...
>
>Why can't people just ignore posts they don't agree with and stop the
>flaming?
Because they're fucking spoiled idiots, that's why.
All these assholes who complain about how people like me have it so easy are
always the ones who make 10 times as much money as I do. It's just like when
Reagan made up that parable about the lady who used her disability benefits
to buy a Mercedes.
Try me.
> --
>
> Buy my book here:
>
> http://www.lulu.com/content/112781 (recommended)
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=1411626559
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1411626559
--
>Try me.
Then fucking go ahead.
Quit wasting my time with this shit.
Timmy, I'm 10 times deeper in debt than you right now.
The next Republican I vote for will be the first one
And the only thing I have easy is access to my map collection.
>The next Republican I vote for will be the first one
You're acting like you're about 8 years old, so you've probably never voted
yet in your life.
> william lynch wrote:
>
>>Random Waftings Of Bunker Blasts wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 06:28:51 +0000, Comrade Mister Duke of Yamamoto
>>><c...@cat.cat> said:
>>>
>>>>I've NEVER EVER heard of E-mails "Opening Automatically".
>>>
>>>The version of Outhouse Depress that came with the disastrous Windows 98
>>>opened e-mails automatically.
>>>
>>>>And you weren't running anti-virus software?
>>>
>>>At the time (late 2003), the Swen virus was too new for antivirus
>>>software to detect it.
>>>
>>>>Fact is, you just screwed up, and didn't know how to fix it, and couldn't
>>>>be bothered to learn.
>>>
>>>That's because it's not my job to learn.
>>
>>If you had had a Mac you wouldn't have had that problem.
>
> Or if he were running linux. Whatever. Not like he listens or anything.
>
There is that.
I'm starting to feel the pains from debt here as well. With tuition
increasing double digit rates for the past 3 years now, it's really
starting to suck having to pay to go to UK. Up to about $15,000 a year
now, and our latest price tuition increase will increase that by
$500-ish more.
I think he's saying "we should be a little nicer to Tim".
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
> TV's Magyar wrote:
>
>> "Carl Rogers" <carl...@DELETETHIS.calrog.com> wrote in message
>> news:G9nve.4091$Bx6....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> Let's not criticise others for knowledge (initially) unobtained. This
>>> sort
>>> of behaviour is what *pro-creates* conflict in this world. If you're
>>> upset
>>> with someone else--meaning someone *outside* of MTR--please discuss
>>> matters
>>> with him or her, and avoid transferring frustration on *others*.
>>>
>>> Standardisation of subjectivity is a fallacy.
>>
>> What the hell are you talking about?!?
>
> I think he's saying "we should be a little nicer to Tim".
>
Either that or he got a new dictionary for his birthday.
This reminds me of something I heard several times back around 1994. "Why
did Kurt Cobain kill himself? He had all that money..." Money and wealth
do not necessarily buy happiness. Sometimes the demons one faces inside his
own head are far worse than anything imaginable on the outside.
Or a random text generator.
>
> Why can't people just ignore posts they don't agree with and stop the
> flaming?
>
I had been leaving Timmy alone, trying to ignore his notes. But when he
posted that you couldn't find one person anywhere that had things worse
off than he did I couldn't continue. I had to say something
Again I say Timmy personifies so many of the characteristics of what is
wrong with the USA right now.
Take care,
Rich
God bless the USA
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:06:46 -0500, Rich Piehl
> <rpiehl5R...@FORNOSPAMcharter.net> said:
>
>
>>Till then, shut your pie hole, cry baby!
>
>
> Till then, go fuck yourself, asshole.
>
> I'm sick of hearing spoiled assholes like you bitch all the time.
>
I'm not the one who's complaining about having nothing. I'm not the one
who says no one is worse of than me. I'm not the one who claimed Bill
Gates owed him a new computer.
To quote the Eagles "The big bad world doesn't owe you a thing."
> --
>
> Buy my book "I wear a diaper and like it"
Why can't people just ignore starting topics that flames people at the
get-go?
"For those who use this bloated MS software..."
That should look familiar, it's your words from the very first post of this
thread.
Cute... I take your brainstorms as a compliment. That's the price of
intelligence, I guess.
Some free advice, no charge: if you're able to enroll yourself into
post-secondary English courses and apply yourself, perhaps you may master
the structure of the English language too.
...Perhaps my previous response involves a brain capable of abstract
thought? So instead of brainstorming interpretations which may negatively
criticise others' character, let's take a look at the facts:
http://psychology.calrog.com/
I hereby resign from this sub-thread, and will ignore any further responses
to it.
Hi Tim,
Kudos on your book! My girlfriend and I are fans of your book, and having
read it, we have recommended it to our friends. To make a long story short:
between January and March of next year, my girlfriend and I will be
traveling out of country for vacation. It's plausible we'll stop somewhere
on the East Coast along the way. We're wondering which airport is best, and
if you'd be free for a short lunch or dinner. If you could, that'd be
great! Drop me an e-mail if you'd like. (Sorry this e-mail had to be
broadcasted, but I'm getting a bounce-back from the Hotmail address
associated w/ your Usenet account.)
Cheers,
We support you,
Carl Rogers
-----------------
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Highway Enthusiast forum: http://forums.calrog.com
>Kudos on your book! My girlfriend and I are fans of your book, and having
>read it, we have recommended it to our friends.
Thank you!
I noticed that both of the bad reviews my book received were from people who
never bothered to read it, so I'm glad these bogus reviews failed to reduce
sales of my book.
>We're wondering which airport is best, and
>if you'd be free for a short lunch or dinner.
I've never traveled on a commercial flight, so I don't know. Delta has a
near-monopoly at the Cincinnati airport, so flights to and from Cincinnati
have a jacked-up price. Louisville, Dayton, and other nearby cities might be
much cheaper.
>(Sorry this e-mail had to be
>broadcasted, but I'm getting a bounce-back from the Hotmail address
>associated w/ your Usenet account.)
I had to start posting under a Hotmail account because of problems I was
having with a local idiot who had a personal grudge to bear. That account
later got zapped because I dared to use it to post the "wrong" opinions.
--
I'm just attempting to be funny.
> Some free advice, no charge: if you're able to enroll yourself into
> post-secondary English courses and apply yourself, perhaps you may master
> the structure of the English language too.
>
> ...Perhaps my previous response involves a brain capable of abstract
> thought? So instead of brainstorming interpretations which may negatively
> criticise others' character, let's take a look at the facts:
> http://psychology.calrog.com/
>
> I hereby resign from this sub-thread, and will ignore any further
> responses
> to it.
I guess my dry sense of humor doesn't go over well sometimes :(
Sounds great! I'll keep you posted once our dates are somewhat final, and
at which airport we'll land.
> That account later got zapped because I dared to use it to post the
"wrong" opinions.
Sucks to hear that. Some people always think their interpretation (of
anything) is "best". Sadly, it may take them well into their elder years to
figure out there's more than one way to do things in life. Any prize can be
achieved in life w/ effort, patience and just being yourself. A great quote
I once read at a university campus was "Possibilities, not limitations".
Talk w/ ya later,
Carl
FYI. Here's the situation w/ Tim Brown, and our planned trip to Europe.
From the conversation below, all text which is preceded by ">" is Tim's
text, and ">>" is my text.
<snip>
"Random Waftings Of Bunker Blasts" <mister19...@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:42beea42...@news.iglou.com...
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:47:24 GMT, "Carl Rogers"
> <carl...@DELETETHIS.calrog.com> said:
>
> >Kudos on your book! My girlfriend and I are fans of your book, and
having
> >read it, we have recommended it to our friends.
>
> Thank you!
>
> I noticed that both of the bad reviews my book received were from people
who
> never bothered to read it, so I'm glad these bogus reviews failed to
reduce
> sales of my book.
>
> >We're wondering which airport is best, and
> >if you'd be free for a short lunch or dinner.
>
> I've never traveled on a commercial flight, so I don't know. Delta has a
> near-monopoly at the Cincinnati airport, so flights to and from Cincinnati
> have a jacked-up price. Louisville, Dayton, and other nearby cities might
be
> much cheaper.
</snip>
I did some research this morning, and discovered cheap flights from San Jose
to Louisville, Kentucky. Plausibly, we could spend one evening there, and
afterwards fly towards our European adventure. What do you think?
Love,
Carl
I don't think there would be many people who would see anything sorry about the life
described on my resume (available from my homepage which you can get to from the URL
below).
I looked at your 'Curriculum Vitae' which you made available a couple of years back
(in the days before you changed from obnoxious to seriously obnoxious and thus KF'd).
99.99% of it can be shortened to one sentence (straight from the horse's mouth):
"That's because it's not my job to learn". Until you figure out that learning is a
part of life, as well as a part of the job, you will continue to find yourself
fighting a world that you know little about.
--Andy
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Andrew G. Tompkins
Software Engineer
Beaverton, OR
http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways
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