[OT] Most mocked community in your metro area
Dan Tasman
280,000 residents, you'll get a reaction that includes some snickering,
more so than other suburban communities. Aurora's not necessarily poor --
it does have a few neighborhoods that have seen better days, but it's a
predominantly middle class town. However, there is a perception that
Aurora is located far from Denver, considering the "out by Kansas"
comments. It also experienced a massive growth spurt in the 1970s and
1980s, and the vast majority of the city has the feel of the planned
communities of the day -- neat shopping centers, a confusing "loop and
lollypop" street pattern, and an antiseptic feel that makes the place seem
far more sterile than Denver's other suburbs.
In Buffalo, Cheektowaga is the subject of most suburban mocking. It's a
blue-collar suburb of some 90,000 residents, a plurality of which ... uhh,
have origins from a certain Eastern European country whose citizens have
traditionally provided fodder for ethnic jokes. It's very blue collar, very
old-school Catholic, and the town's residents talk in an staccato accent
that is far different than the "normal," nasal Buffalo accent. Cheektowaga
also has a very heavy concentration of lawn ornaments -- for some reason,
many homeowners have devoted a significant portion of their front yards to
Virgin Mary shrines, pink flamingos, shiny orbs, yard butts, and similar
objects that are rare in most other Buffalo suburbs.
So,, what suburban community is the butt of jokes in your area, and why?
Thomas Lee, Jr
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Along the same vein of the thrust of the post. Any comedian that mentions
nuances
about Revere or Revere Beach, MA is bound to get a few laughs. For those not
in the know.
Revere is the home of the mullet and the Iroc in the Boston area.
-Tom
PRDem3
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In Chicago, any mention of Gary will bring laughs and jokes. This is because
it is so desperatley poor, yet the people are so proud of it. People will
boast about being from Gary, like it is a good thing. There are huge blue
signs welcoming you to Gary, with huge pictures of kids from the city, with
their names at the bottom.(These pics change every so often.) This is the same
case (to a lesser extent) with Hammond, IN. Once, people in another town were
illegally going to Hammond Schools, the news interviewed someone, saying, "If
they can't afford to live in Hammond, they can't come to the schools. I love
Hammond, I couldn't live anywhere else."
>Cheektowaga
>also has a very heavy concentration of lawn ornaments
This is true also in Gary.
N.W.Perry
truth, parts of Gates and Henrietta are far more susceptible to the kinds of
aesthetic values you've described. There is an enormous cluster of trailer
parks in southwest Penfield, some of the entrances to which must be reached
from ultra-posh Pittsford, but I haven't heard any specific comments about
the place or its residents. Perhaps the most maligned suburban area is the
Pines of Perinton, just outside the village of Fairport. This is a
subsidized housing development (it is also profoundly ugly) that is probably
fine by objective standards, but given its middle to upper-middle class
surroundings, and the presence elsewhere in the town of highly desireable
new-money residences, it appears decidedly seedy.
That's suburbs, but as for city neighborhoods, pretty much any non-white
area gets disdainful glances from many. Genesee Street and Joseph Avenue
have the worst reputations, but there are worse places. I usually use
"Conkey and D" as my example for worst intersection to sit around strumming
a banjo and singin' about good ol' boys. Probably the greatest concentration
of thuggish-looking dudes I've seen was at Hudson Avenue and North Street.
Also, the same four guys hang out every day in front of a store on Chili
Avenue and Thurston Road...I don't know how they can afford to hang out so
perpetually, or indeed what they find so absorbing about the goings on at
that intersection.
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> In Buffalo, Cheektowaga is the subject of most suburban mocking. It's a
Jon Morse
> So,, what suburban community is the butt of jokes in your area, and why?
Suburban? Manassas, easily. But I think Washington itself is more an object
of scorn...
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via lots of much larger places
Michael G. Koerner
In my area, hands down it is Menasha, WI (pronounced 'me(short
e)-NASH-a('schwa')'. Heavily ethnic (northeastern European). Blue
collar; lawn ornaments; lots of small, neat houses with small, neat
yards; several Catholic churches; prosperous industrial plants all over;
ditto 'shot and beer' corner bars; 'unpronouncable' surnames; the works.
In the mid 1970s, when the bridge that now carries US 10/WI 441 over the
Fox River (Little Lake Butte des Morts) was completed and it ended at an
unassuming street intersection on the north side of that city (the part
of the US 10/WI 441 freeway between there and US 10's exit at Oneida St
opened in 1991, the rest of the freeway back to US 41 in NE Appleton in
1993), the running question in adjacent Appleton was 'Now, just WHY was
that bridge built?' (answer below sig.)
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A) So da (ethnic people) in Menaaaaasha could swim across da laaaaake
in da schaaaaade.
To this day, that bridge is STILL commonly referred to by the public as
the '(ethnicity) Connection'. In fact, that name even finds its way
into various local news reports on occasion, too, even though there are
small signs at either end of it with the title 'Roland Kampo Bridge'
(named after a late local township chairman known for his EXTREME stinginess).
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> In my area, hands down it is Menasha, WI (pronounced 'me(short
> e)-NASH-a('schwa')'. Heavily ethnic (northeastern European). Blue
> collar; lawn ornaments; lots of small, neat houses with small, neat
> yards; several Catholic churches; prosperous industrial plants all over;
> ditto 'shot and beer' corner bars; 'unpronouncable' surnames; the works.
The band Sponge has a song called "Neenah Menasha".
Michael G. Koerner
A few years ago, a joke making the rounds at Lambeau Field during a
Packer game was "Why was Mike McKaskey(sp?) thinking of moving the Bears
to Gary?"
a) He wanted to trade the helmet logo 'C' for a 'G'.
Don Hagstrom
blocking the 710 Freeway which is supported by almost every other city in
the area.
In Orange County: Garden Grove has often been referred to as "Garbage
Grove" by many locals. It really has cleaned itself up in the past 5 years
though. I think that label is quite unfair now.
Don
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Aarontabr
280,000 residents, you'll get a reaction that includes some snickering,
more so than other suburban communities. Aurora's not necessarily poor --
it does have a few neighborhoods that have seen better days, but it's a
predominantly middle class town. However, there is a perception that
Aurora is located far from Denver, considering the "out by Kansas"
comments. It also experienced a massive growth spurt in the 1970s and
1980s, and the vast majority of the city has the feel of the planned
communities of the day -- neat shopping centers, a confusing "loop and
lollypop" street pattern, and an antiseptic feel that makes the place seem
far more sterile than Denver's other suburbs.
Does Littleton get mocked since it's home to Columbine High School?
Ron Newman
Somerville MA, as "Slummerville". In the early 1970s, someone
even wrote this song about it:
"SOMERVILLE"
©1973, 1975 by David Misch
New York and Paris and London and Rome --
Yes, they all have their charms, I agree.
But the people who call all those places their home
Miss something, just take it from me.
The Louvre and the U.N. have beauty;
They shine with a kind of a sheen.
But far from the Ritz,
In Massachusetts,
Is a place with the grace of a Queen...
There is a town around old Boston Bay,
A place where time... and life... stand still;
Just follow your nose and heart,
And soon your feet
Will find themselves in Somerville.
The city center there is filled with streets,
A sub shop graces every hill;
You might think you're dreaming --
Then again, you might not;
Anyway, you're in Somerville.
Come watch the buildings stand up proud and tall
While, far below, the pavement hugs the ground!
At night, the stoplights change their hue
From red to green;
Then they turn back
From green to red --
A carnival of color here in Somerville!
Too bad that everyone's in bed.
A wond'rous place where branches
Hang on every tree --
Where people go to work
And then go home!
So come to where the rain and snow
Fall from the sky;
Where day is light
And night is dark and still.
Yes, come watch Nature on parade --
It's always free of charge;
That's how it is in Somerville.
In Somerville...
O, Somerville...
Yes, Somerville...
My So-mer-vi-i-i-i-ille.
These days are long gone now. The MBTA Red Line subway came to
Somerville's Davis Square in 1984, and within a few years this became
a Hip Place To Live, and an expensive one too.
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stéphane dumas
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> In Denver, it seems that if you mention Aurora, a suburban city of some
> 280,000 residents, you'll get a reaction that includes some snickering,
> more so than other suburban communities. Aurora's not necessarily poor --
> it does have a few neighborhoods that have seen better days, but it's a
> predominantly middle class town. However, there is a perception that
> Aurora is located far from Denver, considering the "out by Kansas"
> comments. It also experienced a massive growth spurt in the 1970s and
> 1980s, and the vast majority of the city has the feel of the planned
> communities of the day -- neat shopping centers, a confusing "loop and
> lollypop" street pattern, and an antiseptic feel that makes the place seem
> far more sterile than Denver's other suburbs.
>
In Montreal, they do lots of jokes about Westmount and Outremont mainly
because there are upper class than the other towns and districts of Montreal
Island
I remember lots of thing when Montreal mocked about Quebec City when the
Nordiques (a defunct NHL club who moved to Denver) and vice-versa
Stéphane Dumas steph...@videotron.ca
John Lansford
>So,, what suburban community is the butt of jokes in your area, and why?
By far it is Chapel Hill, a small town wrapped around the University
of North Carolina campus in Orange County. The politics and beliefs of
the people and officials there are totally out in left field compared
to the rest of the surrounding region, and I know of no engineer who
will willingly take a project in that town. This is the town that
wanted to ban drive-through lanes on fast food places and other
businesses because "they waste gas", and insisted that one of our
projects utilize shredded tires in the fill to show that this was a
viable way to get rid of them. They have also insisted on imposing
"impact fees" on new development, making home ownership so high in
Orange County (the county is almost as bad as Chapel Hill) that
low/middle income families move to surrounding counties, causing the
"sprawl" that Chapel Hill so desperately wants to stop.
John Lansford, PE
The unofficial I-26 Construction Webpage:
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Monte Castleman
Saint Louis Park, MN. There are a large number of Jewish residents. I'll leave
it at that.
Edina, MN is seen as a rich snobs place, which is to some extent true, but
there are also many modest middle class neighborhoods, especially in the old
Morningside area. More deserving for snob city would be Lake Elmo, which zones
for large estate style developement, North Oaks, or Eden Prairie, home of
Bearpath, the state's only gated community.
Monte Castleman
Bloomington, MN
PRDem3
>leave
>it at that.
>
Same thing with Skokie, Deerfield, and Highland Park, IL. (Also, the small
Little Jerusalem area of Chicago along Devon Ave.)
Mike Tantillo
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Yeah, Chapel Hill is strange like that. I'm surprised that NCDOT is
actually able to widen US 15-501 south of the town between NC 86/54 and the
Chatham County line....especially given that this will be supporting that
"sprawl" that Chapel Hill hates.
However, i'd have to disagree and say (for different reasons) that Cary is
the most mocked community in the Triangle. It has been nicknamed
"Consolidated Area for Relocated Yankees" (the word that goes in the 'C'
spot has been given other names...) by native North Carolinians. It seems
that whenever northerners move to the area, they usually end up in Cary.
Cary is a fairly upscale town....and it consists mostly of sprawled out
housing developments. Since a lot of southerners dislike "yankees" and
resent their presence in the area, as well as blame the sprawl and growth
problem on them, Cary is subject to quite a lot of mockery.
N.W.Perry
"It's actually Eden Prairie...that school district."
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Robert Cruickshank
Don Hagstrom wrote:
> In Orange County: Garden Grove has often been referred to as "Garbage
> Grove" by many locals. It really has cleaned itself up in the past 5 years
> though. I think that label is quite unfair now.
While growing up in Tustin (central Orange County), we'd always mock
Irvine. To us, it was the epitome of suburban boredom, a wholly
master-planned community in which there simply wasn't anything to do,
where everything looked the same. After coming to UC Berkeley, I found
that Irvine's reputation as suburban hell was held by people from all
over California.
Side note: I never see speed limit signs posted on streets in Irvine,
except for maybe once when you enter the city limits. From then on
you'll never see another on that road. Thankfully I've never been pulled
over by the Irvine PD, but I will assume the reason they don't post
speed limits is so that they can increase revenue from speeders.
--
Robert I. Cruickshank
roadgeek, historian, progressive
Private Pyle
Auburn, Seatac, Des Moines, Kent, and the other communities are notorious as
the home of the mullet and the Camaro in the Pacific Northwest. The
comparison earlier in this thread of Gary and Chicago holds true for Tacoma
and Seattle. The pulp mills that cause the Tacoma Aroma preclude anyone with
an option to leave to continue to live in Tacoma.
Here in Indianapolis, I haven't heard much mocking of suburban communities,
but I have heard of Beech Grove called "Beech-tucky", presumably for it's,
uh, "absence of sophistication".
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Scott Murdock
* Leawood gets mocked by Kansas Citians for (alleged) snobbery and
pettiness. A place where citizen action is taken to protest the color
of playground equipment, where neighbors complain about noisy kids
playing in their back yards, where houses burn almost every time there
is a storm because of bans on any roofing material other than natural
wood shingles, where the city managed to keep a major east-west
throughfare (95th St) bottlenecked to 2-lanes for years (finally forced
to relent several years ago) because they didn't want outsiders passing
through, and where a black-owned BBQ restaurant is singled out
repeatedly by city inspectors. (A distant second in this category goes
to Lee's Summit, which has successfully blocked Taco Bell from opening a
new restaurant in this city of 70,000 due to fears that Taco Bell
attracts 'hoodlums' and that no one but indecent people have any reason
to eat fast food after 10pm.)
* Peculiar gets a lot of heat from outside the KC area due to its name.
Local newspaper headlines turn up in a lot of places around the country
saying things like "Peculiar Man Wanted For Questioning", "Peculiar
Water Problem Resolved", "Peculiar Mayor Seeks Re-Election", etc.
* But the biggest butt of all the jokes is probably Raytown. It's a
landlocked blue-collar suburb of about 30,000 on the east side with no
direct freeway access. On the surface the main industries seem to be car
sales and tanning salons. There have been rumors for years that
"Mama's Family" was inspired by an incident in which Vicki Lawrence was
pulled over by a Raytown police officer. I have no idea if there is
any truth to this or not.
John Lansford
>Yeah, Chapel Hill is strange like that. I'm surprised that NCDOT is
>actually able to widen US 15-501 south of the town between NC 86/54 and the
>Chatham County line....especially given that this will be supporting that
>"sprawl" that Chapel Hill hates.
Note that it hasn't taken place until long after the rest of the route
was improved.
>However, i'd have to disagree and say (for different reasons) that Cary is
>the most mocked community in the Triangle. It has been nicknamed
>"Consolidated Area for Relocated Yankees" (the word that goes in the 'C'
>spot has been given other names...) by native North Carolinians. It seems
>that whenever northerners move to the area, they usually end up in Cary.
>Cary is a fairly upscale town....and it consists mostly of sprawled out
>housing developments. Since a lot of southerners dislike "yankees" and
>resent their presence in the area, as well as blame the sprawl and growth
>problem on them, Cary is subject to quite a lot of mockery.
In my line of work, Cary is just another suburban outgrowth of
Raleigh. Chapel Hill is where the "fruits and nuts" of the area live.
Rich Carlson, N9JIG
(Monte Castleman) wrote:
My sister lived in Edina MN for years, my niece still does. They are now
and always will be "cake-eaters". I have no idea why they are called
that but that has been the name for Edina residents for at least 20
years.
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http://www.n9jig.com
Rich Carlson, N9JIG
to anyone around here and they will give you a quizical look and say
"Berwyn?????". A local celebrity here used this as part of his comedy
schtick when he hosted a monster movie show on TV (Svengoolie).
Cicero is mocked for it's politics that makes Daley, Ryan and Clinton
look like amateurs. The current regime is ruthless but effective. Cicero
Politics has always been a great show to watch (preferably at a
distance). The recent mayor's race featured a guy who moved into town a
year before the election specifically to run for mayor. He had lost his
driver's license for DUI before, and got arrested as he crossed the
Cicero border for DUI and suspended DL during the campaign, and the
Cicero cop who arrested him was later "hassled" by the cops in another
"interesting" suburb. Cicero's police department was pretty much
decimated in the last few years with most of the employees fired,
arrested, or quitting, so that the State Police had to come in and clean
things up.
Pat O'Connell
>
> In Seattle, anything south of I-90 in King County gets tons of abuse.
> Auburn, Seatac, Des Moines, Kent, and the other communities are notorious as
> the home of the mullet and the Camaro in the Pacific Northwest. The
> comparison earlier in this thread of Gary and Chicago holds true for Tacoma
> and Seattle. The pulp mills that cause the Tacoma Aroma preclude anyone with
> an option to leave to continue to live in Tacoma.
>
> Here in Indianapolis, I haven't heard much mocking of suburban communities,
> but I have heard of Beech Grove called "Beech-tucky", presumably for it's,
> uh, "absence of sophistication".
Well there's Carmel, mocked as the place with $250,000 homes with
Mercedes-Benzes in the driveways and no curtains in the windows.
Where I live, Albuquerque NM, there's a suburb called Rio Rancho,
mocked because it's full of East Coasters (mostly from New York City
area) that have never lost their East Coast obnoxiousness. My wife
used to be a bank teller. One Rio Rancho customer was notorious
because she would ask for _only_ new bills, with the money arranged
all facing the same direction. And, of course, nothing in Albq. and
the West was ever as good as it was in NYC/Flushing/wherever. Why
these people didn't leave is beyond me. Not even Texans brag as much
about where they came from.
--
Pat O'Connell
Indy Native, Albuquerque Resident, heading toward Las Vegas (whole
'nother place for sure).
US71
"tysonville" for the Tyson Corportae offices.
Mike Tantillo
John Lansford wrote in message
>"Mike Tantillo" <mj...@duke.edu> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, Chapel Hill is strange like that. I'm surprised that NCDOT is
>>actually able to widen US 15-501 south of the town between NC 86/54 and
the
>>Chatham County line....especially given that this will be supporting that
>>"sprawl" that Chapel Hill hates.
>
>Note that it hasn't taken place until long after the rest of the route
>was improved.
At least its getting done!
>
>>However, i'd have to disagree and say (for different reasons) that Cary is
>>the most mocked community in the Triangle. It has been nicknamed
>>"Consolidated Area for Relocated Yankees" (the word that goes in the 'C'
>>spot has been given other names...) by native North Carolinians. It seems
>>that whenever northerners move to the area, they usually end up in Cary.
>>Cary is a fairly upscale town....and it consists mostly of sprawled out
>>housing developments. Since a lot of southerners dislike "yankees" and
>>resent their presence in the area, as well as blame the sprawl and growth
>>problem on them, Cary is subject to quite a lot of mockery.
>
>In my line of work, Cary is just another suburban outgrowth of
>Raleigh. Chapel Hill is where the "fruits and nuts" of the area live.
Yeah, at least all the citizens of Cary and North Raleigh realzie the need
for better roads and are not trying to block projects such as I-540. People
in CH must love to sit in traffic gridlock....
Peter Rosa
Dan Tasman wrote:
> In Buffalo, Cheektowaga is the subject of most suburban mocking. It's a
> blue-collar suburb of some 90,000 residents, a plurality of which ... uhh,
> have origins from a certain Eastern European country whose citizens have
> traditionally provided fodder for ethnic jokes.
Not to mention that it's got a funny name.
> So,, what suburban community is the butt of jokes in your area, and why?
There are many candidates in the New York metro area:
Newark, Paterson, Bridgeport (urban blight)
Levittown (stereotypical suburbia)
Greenwich (and many others) (snobbish exclusivity)
Hackensack, Hicksville, Ho-Ho-Kus (funny names - something about the letter H?)
Chappaqua (you know why)
Asbury Park (post-apocalyptic wasteland)
I'm sure there are many others, these are just the ones I can think of offhand.
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Don Hagstrom wrote:
> In Orange County: Garden Grove has often been referred to as "Garbage
> Grove" by many locals. It really has cleaned itself up in the past 5 years
> though. I think that label is quite unfair now.
We stayed just outside Garden Grove for a few days on our trip to California two
months ago. Garden Grove seemed like a respectable suburban community, as far
as I could tell.
Robert Cote
Alright, everybody has had their shot. Sure Revere and Quincy are the
laughingstock of Boston proper, sure Newark is so miserable in
reputation that no one owns up to being its' parent city, sure Chicago
has both low class cousins and snooty uppper crust relations worthy of
derision BUT... none less than Johnny Carson and Alf both made fun of
the same city, yes that shining beacon, that municipality with largest
at large elected council in the nation, that 123rd largest city in the
nation named after the only original residents unable to attend the
naming meeting; OXNARD, CA. Or as the city motto proclaims; "Not just
another pretty name."
Peter Rosa
PRDem3 wrote:
Rockland County, New York has a few communities that are comprised entirely of
Hasidic Jews. Kiryas Joel is the largest and best-known of them. There's also
the town, whose name escapes me, that voted almost 100% for Hillary in what
smells like a pardon-for-votes deal.
Peter Rosa
"Rich Carlson, N9JIG" wrote:
> My sister lived in Edina MN for years, my niece still does. They are now
> and always will be "cake-eaters". I have no idea why they are called
> that but that has been the name for Edina residents for at least 20
> years.
It probably has something to do with Marie Antoinette's famous remark.
Crl4u14857
Amos
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Alan Hamilton
new hockey arena. People are outraged. Not because they lost the
arena -- a lot of them were opposed to it anyway -- but that they lost
it to <gasp> GLENDALE.
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To this day, Rush Limbaugh always has 'kind' words to say about suburban
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>
> Dan Tasman wrote:
>
> > In Buffalo, Cheektowaga is the subject of most suburban mocking. It's a
> > blue-collar suburb of some 90,000 residents, a plurality of which ... uhh,
> > have origins from a certain Eastern European country whose citizens have
> > traditionally provided fodder for ethnic jokes.
>
> Not to mention that it's got a funny name.
>
> > So,, what suburban community is the butt of jokes in your area, and why?
>
> There are many candidates in the New York metro area:
>
> Newark, Paterson, Bridgeport (urban blight)
> Levittown (stereotypical suburbia)
> Greenwich (and many others) (snobbish exclusivity)
> Hackensack, Hicksville, Ho-Ho-Kus (funny names - something about the letter H?)
>
> Chappaqua (you know why)
> Asbury Park (post-apocalyptic wasteland)
>
> I'm sure there are many others, these are just the ones I can think of offhand.
How many of you can remember from the old 1970s era Saturday Night Live
shows: "A Mister Richard Feddars of Fort Lee, New Jerrrrrsey...."
PRDem3
Gary is by far worse than Cicero or Berwyn.
N.W.Perry
more heckling amongst folks 'round here. Utica is usually regarded as a
laughingstock (for no particular reason other than its name and its
perceived blightedness). Ditto Schenectady.
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Joe Rouse
>
> To this day, Rush Limbaugh always has 'kind' words to say about suburban
> Rio Linda from his days as a local radio guy in Sacramento, CA.
>
Yeah, Rio Linda gets it share of knocks.
Like a lot of small towns, it has its central landmark. Theirs is called the
archway - it's a flashing red beacon hanging over the main intersection
supported by a couple of trusses. There's a gas station/hardware store on
one corner, a bar on another, an empty lot on the third, and a burger stand
on the fourth.
Rio Linda is located along the inappropriately named Dry Creek that has a
tendency to flood pretty badly after major rains (because it takes a lot of
runoff from new developments to the northeast). During the 1995 flood, Bill
Clinton came to town and ate chili at the Archway Frosty. It was the "in"
place for awhile, but then it closed. It made headlines in the local paper
when that happened.
Another Sacramento area town that has been made fun of is Yuba City. Some
years ago it was at the bottom of the list of 300 of America's best cities
or something like that. That was about 10 years ago and some folks there
still haven't gotten over it. Yuba City is a bedroom community for
Sacramento, so there's not a lot there, but it's still a pretty decent
place. Good schools, inexpensive housing, and nice quality of life. If you
don't mind driving an hour each way to and from work, it's not a bad deal.
Yuba City has in recent years become home to a very large population of
Sikhs, some of whom are farmers and many of them are small business owners.
You will find several Sikh temples scattered around town.
Robert Cruickshank
Peter Rosa wrote:
>
> Don Hagstrom wrote:
>
> > In Orange County: Garden Grove has often been referred to as "Garbage
> > Grove" by many locals. It really has cleaned itself up in the past 5 years
> > though. I think that label is quite unfair now.
>
> We stayed just outside Garden Grove for a few days on our trip to California two
> months ago. Garden Grove seemed like a respectable suburban community, as far
> as I could tell.
I got to know Garden Grove intimately in '96 while walking precincts for
conservative Republican Bob Dornan (an experience which, along with
several other things, helped to cure me of all conservative thoughts,
but that's another story). The community used to be white and middle
class, but in the last decade it's become a very diverse community of
immigrants, some Vietnamese and Cambodian, some from Latin America. The
city's like many other SoCal suburbs built in the '50s and '60s, in that
the original Caucasian middle-class families have moved out and
many...um..."other" families have moved in. Cities like Garden Grove,
Norwalk, Downey are still dominated by stuff built in the '50s and '60s.
Developers and retailers typically do not show much interest in
renovating these "exurbs", preferring to go for the bonanzas in the new
developments in OC's foothills. Don's right, though, at least Garden
Grove has cleaned itself up well, owing largely to the efforts of the
new residents there.
MojaveNC
with foundations(the rest of the 25,000 people live in trailers), and at least
two legal brothels! How can you NOT make fun of it?!?!
<< In Los Angeles County: South Pasadena: for its unreasonable NIMBYism in
blocking the 710 Freeway which is supported by almost every other city in
the area.
>>
GRRRR. The 710 will kill South Pasadena. I've been listening to that from my
dad(South Pas HS, c/o 67 i think) for 19 years. And I believe him. When you
have a COMMUNITY like that, in a larger urban area, you can't slice it in half
with a freeway. You have to admire the fact that it actually has a sense of
community.
Then again, in ten years when I-515 ends at Railroad Pass and I-540 ends at the
Lake Mead Visitors Center because of NIMBYism in Boulder City, my philosophy my
change.
Doug Broda
perhaps Clifton Park (huge high school, budgets always get voted down
and an utterly stereotypical suburb).
As for our Garys... it's a toss-up between Troy (where I live; not all
bad, but where it's bad it's awful, and going near-bankrupt and
mortgaging City Hall courtesy of our inept former city governments,
one from each party, did NOT help the reputation -- plus the name gets
us twice over, with a mix of bad condom jokes related to the name for
residents of Troy and the alternative name some give Troy's residents
of "Troylets") and Rensselaer (utter urban blight; our closest
analogue to Gary and the place that really *does* deserve a reputation
for being a disaster zone).
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 05:01:33 GMT, tasman@N0-$PAM.verinet.N0-CRAP.com
(Dan Tasman) wrote:
>In Denver, it seems that if you mention Aurora, a suburban city of some
>280,000 residents, you'll get a reaction that includes some snickering,
>more so than other suburban communities. Aurora's not necessarily poor --
>it does have a few neighborhoods that have seen better days, but it's a
>predominantly middle class town. However, there is a perception that
>Aurora is located far from Denver, considering the "out by Kansas"
>comments. It also experienced a massive growth spurt in the 1970s and
>1980s, and the vast majority of the city has the feel of the planned
>communities of the day -- neat shopping centers, a confusing "loop and
>lollypop" street pattern, and an antiseptic feel that makes the place seem
>far more sterile than Denver's other suburbs.
>
>In Buffalo, Cheektowaga is the subject of most suburban mocking. It's a
>blue-collar suburb of some 90,000 residents, a plurality of which ... uhh,
>have origins from a certain Eastern European country whose citizens have
>traditionally provided fodder for ethnic jokes. It's very blue collar, very
>old-school Catholic, and the town's residents talk in an staccato accent
>that is far different than the "normal," nasal Buffalo accent. Cheektowaga
>also has a very heavy concentration of lawn ornaments -- for some reason,
>many homeowners have devoted a significant portion of their front yards to
>Virgin Mary shrines, pink flamingos, shiny orbs, yard butts, and similar
>objects that are rare in most other Buffalo suburbs.
>
>So,, what suburban community is the butt of jokes in your area, and why?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Doug Broda, Troy, NY, USA
Steve Anderson
>
> Dan Tasman wrote:
>
>
> There are many candidates in the New York metro area:
>
> Newark, Paterson, Bridgeport (urban blight)
> Levittown (stereotypical suburbia)
> Greenwich (and many others) (snobbish exclusivity)
> Hackensack, Hicksville, Ho-Ho-Kus (funny names - something about the letter H?)
> Chappaqua (you know why)
> Asbury Park (post-apocalyptic wasteland)
>
> I'm sure there are many others, these are just the ones I can think of offhand.
>
Belmar, NJ: Jersey shore community with lots of big-haired women
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John Lansford
>>In my line of work, Cary is just another suburban outgrowth of
>>Raleigh. Chapel Hill is where the "fruits and nuts" of the area live.
>
>Yeah, at least all the citizens of Cary and North Raleigh realzie the need
>for better roads and are not trying to block projects such as I-540. People
>in CH must love to sit in traffic gridlock....
No, they want everyone to walk to work and never, ever take a car to a
business. The recent news that they are extending their "ride for
free" bus priviledges to UNC students in the hope that they will use
it is just more of their kind of thinking.
Deek
> In Denver, it seems that if you mention Aurora, a suburban city of some
> 280,000 residents, you'll get a reaction that includes some snickering,
> [snip]
In San Diego, people will mock the east county. They like to mock El Cajon
for it's being fairly poor, and being the crystal meth capital of the USA.
Santee gets a bad rap because until recently, it was all unincorporated San
Diego County, and lots of the streets there are still county standard,
meaning poorly paved and no sidewalks. This is where the redneck and white
trash jokes begin. Some people have referred to Santee as "Clan-tee"
One local radio station is notorious for making fun of Santee by playing
banjo chords whenever a caller who lives there calls in a request. Santee
has had this bad rap long before the Santana shooting, just now everyone
knows about it. I personally find nothing wrong with Santee... it is a very
low-crime community, fairly clean and it is sprouting it's share of those
infamous stucco and red-tile-roof houses.
People will also make fun of Lakeside, which is part of unincorporated SD
county just east of Santee. Lakeside gets the worst of the redneck jokes
because the San Diego County rodeo is held here. I find nothing wrong with
Lakeside... If I had a family, I would consider buying a house here.
Deek
Ron Newman
<tech...@gte.net> wrote:
> Alright, everybody has had their shot. Sure Revere and Quincy are the
> laughingstock of Boston proper,
Quincy? I don't think so. Quincy is just another ordinary suburb
south of Boston. People don't tend to think much about it at all
unless they live there.
--
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Ron Newman
<dbr...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> As for our Garys... it's a toss-up between Troy...
> and Rensselaer (utter urban blight; our closest
> analogue to Gary and the place that really *does* deserve a reputation
> for being a disaster zone).
It's hard for me to consider any city containing a major university
campus as a "disaster zone" .
Ron Newman
> Well there's Carmel, mocked as the place with $250,000 homes with
> Mercedes-Benzes in the driveways and no curtains in the windows.
Also (getting back on topic) no street addresses.
Ron Newman
> > >Saint Louis Park, MN. There are a large number of Jewish residents. I'll
> > >leave
> > >it at that.
> > >
> >
> > Same thing with Skokie, Deerfield, and Highland Park, IL. (Also, the small
> > Little Jerusalem area of Chicago along Devon Ave.)
>
> Rockland County, New York has a few communities that are comprised entirely of
> Hasidic Jews. Kiryas Joel is the largest and best-known of them.
There's also
> the town, whose name escapes me, that voted almost 100% for Hillary in what
> smells like a pardon-for-votes deal.
That's New Square, NY.
But are any of these places really "most mocked" ?
Damon Scott Hynes
as the "Council Bluffs Library".
Alseo: Carter Lake, Iowa. A town for Council Bluffians to look down
on...home of the Waht-Traysh Auto Recycling Mafia. Due to a Missouri River
flood, it's now on the Omaha side of the river, butting up against North
Omaha. Different demographics, same results.
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Robert Cote
rne...@thecia.net (Ron Newman) wrote:
> In article <EetC6.1651$ad2.8...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>, Robert Cote
> <tech...@gte.net> wrote:
>
> > Alright, everybody has had their shot. Sure Revere and Quincy are the
> > laughingstock of Boston proper,
>
> Quincy? I don't think so. Quincy is just another ordinary suburb
> south of Boston. People don't tend to think much about it at all
> unless they live there.
<wicked strong Bahstn accent/on>
"Whatt ah yah, sum kinda Dorchy boy?"
<wicked strong Bahstn accent/off>
Actually I find it kind of ironic that these South Shore working class
cities are made fun of because they are working class. Says more
about Boston's elitism than it does about these cities.
Scott Scudder
Any community in Northern Ky "across the creek" but mostly Newport (home of the
"brass-ass" and "the pad") and Scuving-ton (Covington)
Hamilton, OH (Hamil-bama, Hamil-tucky)
Harrison, OH
East Side Cincinnatians generally look down on West Siders (I-75 generally
divides), West Siders dream of escape
I have noticed in this post that a lot of places have the nickname "-tucky"
Dan Tasman wrote:
> In Denver, it seems that if you mention Aurora, a suburban city of some
> 280,000 residents, you'll get a reaction that includes some snickering,
> more so than other suburban communities. Aurora's not necessarily poor --
> it does have a few neighborhoods that have seen better days, but it's a
> predominantly middle class town. However, there is a perception that
> Aurora is located far from Denver, considering the "out by Kansas"
> comments. It also experienced a massive growth spurt in the 1970s and
> 1980s, and the vast majority of the city has the feel of the planned
> communities of the day -- neat shopping centers, a confusing "loop and
> lollypop" street pattern, and an antiseptic feel that makes the place seem
> far more sterile than Denver's other suburbs.
>
> In Buffalo, Cheektowaga is the subject of most suburban mocking. It's a
> blue-collar suburb of some 90,000 residents, a plurality of which ... uhh,
> have origins from a certain Eastern European country whose citizens have
> traditionally provided fodder for ethnic jokes. It's very blue collar, very
> old-school Catholic, and the town's residents talk in an staccato accent
> that is far different than the "normal," nasal Buffalo accent. Cheektowaga
> also has a very heavy concentration of lawn ornaments -- for some reason,
> many homeowners have devoted a significant portion of their front yards to
> Virgin Mary shrines, pink flamingos, shiny orbs, yard butts, and similar
> objects that are rare in most other Buffalo suburbs.
>
Don Hagstrom
>
>Las Vegas? Pahrump. No question about it. C'mon, the town has probably 20 homes
>with foundations(the rest of the 25,000 people live in trailers), and at least
>two legal brothels! How can you NOT make fun of it?!?!
>
><< In Los Angeles County: South Pasadena: for its unreasonable NIMBYism in
>blocking the 710 Freeway which is supported by almost every other city in
>the area.
> >>
>
>
>GRRRR. The 710 will kill South Pasadena. I've been listening to that from my
>dad(South Pas HS, c/o 67 i think) for 19 years. And I believe him. When you
>have a COMMUNITY like that, in a larger urban area, you can't slice it in half
>with a freeway. You have to admire the fact that it actually has a sense of
>community.
With no disrespect meant for your dad, the I-710 will not kill South Pasadena.
The Pasadena Freeway (110) runs through it with no problems. Any community that
considers itself killed because of a piece of infrastructure does not have much
of a real sense of community at all. There are plenty of communities with
freeways running through them that still thrive and I suspect that South
Pasadena could do the same. That line about it killing them is just political
rhetoric as is their claim of being an "endangered city."
One must consider the fact that South Pasadena does not exist in a vacuum. It
exists in a metropolitan area. Other cities surround it and suffer because of
the 710 gap. I heard a comment by Caltrans a few years ago in which they said
that most freeways opposed like this by one city would have been scrapped.
However, this one lives on because of the strong support it enjoys in other
communities. This includes support by El Sereno (a community of LA) and
Pasadena, both of which would be affected by the proposed alignment as well.
The other issue to consider is the use of area transportation infrastructure by
South Pasadena residents themselves. And the fact that the arterial system was
not set up very well. Basically, to get from stub 710 in Alhambra to stub 710
in Pasadena, one has to traverse Fremont Blvd, a 2-4 lane undivided arterial
going through South Pasadena. From there, you would then turn right on
Huntington and up Fair Oaks, which is a better street to drive than Fremont.
Complicating matters is the fact that Valley Blvd., where the 710 ends in
Alhambra, is only 4 lanes wide with no room for widening. The intersection with
Fremont is one of the worst in the county because of its use by Pasadena and
South Pasadena residents. Now, if most South Pasadenans were willing to jump on
mass transit and leave their cars behind, I would have more sympathy with their
wish to not have the freeway; however, they are part of the problem and thus
should be part of the solution.
>
>Then again, in ten years when I-515 ends at Railroad Pass and I-540 ends at the
>Lake Mead Visitors Center because of NIMBYism in Boulder City, my philosophy my
>change.
I wouldn't hold your breath on any I-540 but I am glad that you have
acknowledged the above. I notice that you often advocate mass transit solutions
to LA but are more than willing to have more freeways in Las Vegas. Perhaps you
want our California highway funding to go to Nevada!!
Seriously, the I-710 is as important to our region as the proposed Boulder City
Bypass/Freeway is to yours. The 710 fills a gap and would alleviate traffic
going through downtown LA. And the downtown freeways don't have much if any
room for widening. Although the Pasadena LRT will be up in a couple of years,
this will not be enough to solve the problem. South Pasadena often advocates an
unspecified "Low-Build" alternative without having any plan for what this would
be. And I don't see a good solution. There is no room to widen Fremont. They
could run the 710 up to Huntington and then allow traffic to use the wide 6 lane
Huntington to connect with Fremont. But this just moves the traffic problem
northward. The gap still persists.
The general consensus right now is that freeway building in the southern part of
Los Angeles County is over. I hope that isn't true once people wake up.
Despite the fact that a decent mass transportation system is developing, the
traffic problem is not going to go away. Even the most optimistic planner will
tell you that no one expects transit's modal share to soar past 10%. Right now
it is about 3-5%. And this is optimistic. Transit's share has remained
stagnant despite 3 new rail systems, improved bus service, and an admittedly
excellent commuter rail system (Metrolink) in LA County. What does this mean?
Freeways here are already beyond the saturation point. Commuters are forced to
sit on freeways designed for population and traffic levels 40 and 50 years ago.
Plain and simple. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that if you
triple the population but keep infrastructure capacity the same that you will
overload the system.
Also consider the fact that LA County spends 3/4 of county transportation funds
(including the proceeds of 2 sales taxes). Thus 3/4 of the money is being spent
on only 3-5% of the people. If just 1/2 of that 3/4 were spent on freeways and
highways, traffic would run a lot smoother. Consider Orange and San Diego
Counties, in which one sales tax (instead of 2) is divided more equitably
between freeway and transit spending. Traffic moves far better in these
counties, and the San Diego transit system IMO runs better than the one in LA
County. The LA County MTA needs to wake up and start taking care of the needs
of the other 95-97% of the people it is not serving properly.
Remember also that many people were opposed to the Hoover Dam Bypass, including
the Native Americans living in that area. Apparently that Bypass is going to
cut through native burial grounds. One could easily make the argument that that
burial ground is as important or more important than the historical homes in
South Pasadena. Amazing how that NIMBYism hits close to home now, right? Las
Vegas is in freeway building mode right now because of all the growth there.
And nobody is really opposing it. Give it 5-10 years and your region may start
experiencing the same NIMBY and preservationist problems that mine already has.
I will be interested in your response/thoughts on this at that time.
Don
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>
> In article <m2bldt4088jb7e3ov...@4ax.com>, Doug Broda
> <dbr...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > As for our Garys... it's a toss-up between Troy...
> > and Rensselaer (utter urban blight; our closest
> > analogue to Gary and the place that really *does* deserve a reputation
> > for being a disaster zone).
>
> It's hard for me to consider any city containing a major university
> campus as a "disaster zone" .
What effect would the completion of the freeway planned to run eastward
from the stub end of the US 9/20 bridge have had on Rensselaer?
I also kindof wonder what the effect of a reasonable annexation law
(like those in many of the states in the midwest and west) would be on
the cities in upstate New York....
Rensselaer hosts the 'Albany' Amtrak station (at least it did when I was
there last June). :-)
N.W.Perry
"Ron Newman" <rne...@thecia.net> wrote in message
news:rnewman-1604...@ppp39-254.thecia.net...
> In article <m2bldt4088jb7e3ov...@4ax.com>, Doug Broda
> <dbr...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > As for our Garys... it's a toss-up between Troy...
> > and Rensselaer (utter urban blight; our closest
> > analogue to Gary and the place that really *does* deserve a reputation
> > for being a disaster zone).
>
> It's hard for me to consider any city containing a major university
> campus as a "disaster zone" .
RPI, you mean? That's in Troy, not Rensselaer. It's named for the county.
As for Troy, yes, parts are extremely blighty, but other areas are quite
charming.
Jeff and Lisa
> considers itself killed because of a piece of infrastructure does not have much
> of a real sense of community at all. There are plenty of communities with
> freeways running through them that still thrive and I suspect that South
> Pasadena could do the same. That line about it killing them is just political
> rhetoric as is their claim of being an "endangered city."
But there are also plenty of communities that have been destroyed
by having a freeway run through them.
You can't generalize one way or the other, each circumstance must be
evaluated in terms of local conditions.
> One must consider the fact that South Pasadena does not exist in a vacuum. It
> exists in a metropolitan area. Other cities surround it and suffer because of
> the 710 gap. I heard a comment by Caltrans a few years ago in which they said
> that most freeways opposed like this by one city would have been scrapped.
> However, this one lives on because of the strong support it enjoys in other
> communities. This includes support by El Sereno (a community of LA) and
> Pasadena, both of which would be affected by the proposed alignment as well.
I am not familiar with the above situation. However, it is typical
for a new highway to be favored by some communities that will benefit
from it, but opposed by other communities that will suffer from it.
Is it fair for one community to suffer so another community can gain?
Remember too that communities themselves consist of different
elements. One person may own property or business that might
benefit greatly from a new project, but another could suffer.
I know of one stretch of improved highway that has abandoned
houses next to it. The road is too noisy to live near, but
the properties are too small to be of any value for commercial
use. (IIRC, the owners are suing PennDOT to buy them at
their former market value.)
Perhaps the "impact area" of a highway project should be
greatly expanded so that the state is required to buy out
property owners, who while not in the direct path, are so
close that their quality of life will suffer from traffic noise.
Mike Tantillo
John Lansford wrote in message ...
>"Mike Tantillo" <mj...@duke.edu> wrote:
>
>>>In my line of work, Cary is just another suburban outgrowth of
>>>Raleigh. Chapel Hill is where the "fruits and nuts" of the area live.
>>
>>Yeah, at least all the citizens of Cary and North Raleigh realzie the need
>>for better roads and are not trying to block projects such as I-540.
People
>>in CH must love to sit in traffic gridlock....
>
>No, they want everyone to walk to work and never, ever take a car to a
>business. The recent news that they are extending their "ride for
>free" bus priviledges to UNC students in the hope that they will use
>it is just more of their kind of thinking.
I was not aware of that. I mean, I understand people insisting on mass
transit use, but free mass transit use? gimme a break.....why should they
get to use it for free?
Mike Tantillo
Steve Anderson wrote in message <3ADAB5AC...@erols.com>...
>Peter Rosa wrote:
>>
>> Dan Tasman wrote:
>>
>> > So,, what suburban community is the butt of jokes in your area, and
why?
>>
>> There are many candidates in the New York metro area:
>>
>> Newark, Paterson, Bridgeport (urban blight)
>> Levittown (stereotypical suburbia)
>> Greenwich (and many others) (snobbish exclusivity)
>> Hackensack, Hicksville, Ho-Ho-Kus (funny names - something about the
letter H?)
>> Chappaqua (you know why)
>> Asbury Park (post-apocalyptic wasteland)
>>
>> I'm sure there are many others, these are just the ones I can think of
offhand.
>>
>Massapequa, NY: the home of Amy Fisher and Joey Buttafuoco
and me =)
acually....i'd rather not compare myself with them....
Anyway, I must correct you though.....Joey Buttafuoco is from Massapequa,
but Amy Fisher is from Merrick.
Also, don't forget that the Baldwin brothers and Jerry Seinfeld also come
from Massapequa, and they kind of make up for the image of 'Pequa that Joey
left in people's minds. Some of my friends even know Massapequa as being
the setting for the movie "Born on the 4th of July". Most people are more
impressed with those facts than the Buttafuocos.
Big Nick
>Las Vegas? Pahrump. No question about it. C'mon, the town has probably 20 homes
>with foundations(the rest of the 25,000 people live in trailers), and at least
>two legal brothels! How can you NOT make fun of it?!?!
Sister city to Silver Springs in the North? <G>
-NK
on 52nd street
>homes
>>with foundations(the rest of the 25,000 people live in trailers), and at
>least
>>two legal brothels! How can you NOT make fun of it?!?!
>
>Sister city to Silver Springs in the North? <G>
And doesn't Pahrump's most famous resident, Art Bell, live in a trailer too?
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wrote:
>>>Las Vegas? Pahrump. No question about it. C'mon, the town has probably 20
>>homes
>>>with foundations(the rest of the 25,000 people live in trailers), and at
>>least
>>>two legal brothels! How can you NOT make fun of it?!?!
>>
>>Sister city to Silver Springs in the North? <G>
>
>And doesn't Pahrump's most famous resident, Art Bell, live in a trailer too?
Would make sense.. I'm sure that he would ground the metal shell, so
that aliens couldn't send beams into his brain while he's sleeping!
-NK
Ben Johnson
> The Chicago area's most mocked areas are Berwyn and Cicero. Say "Berwyn"
> to anyone around here and they will give you a quizical look and say
> "Berwyn?????". A local celebrity here used this as part of his comedy
> schtick when he hosted a monster movie show on TV (Svengoolie).
I've always made fun of Naperville. It's an hour and a half from the
Loop in traffic (and you've gotta pay tolls and go through the Strangler
to get there), and it's still expensive for living that far away.
Of course, being a downstater (edwardsville), I make fun of many of the
Chicago 'burbs. Here's an exchange I had with with several suburbanites
my freshman year at U of I.
Them: Where're you from?
Me: Edwardsville.
Them: Oh. *wheels turn in head for a moment* Isn't that by
(Naperville, Bolingbrook, or your outer suburb of choice)?
Me: Umm, yeah...about 250 miles away.
Of course, I'm about to become a suburbanite - I just signed a lease for
a place in downtown Evanston. But, I can still ride the El, and if it
weren't for the other building in the way, I could see the lake from my
window...so I'm not *really* a suburbanite. :)
--ben
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>a place in downtown Evanston. But, I can still ride the El, and if it
>weren't for the other building in the way, I could see the lake from my
>window...so I'm not *really* a suburbanite. :)
>
Evanston is great, it has the security and "hippness" of the North Shore, with
all the good things that come from a big city.
But PLEASE: Take Metra, not the "El." I want the CTA to go out of busniess
because I hate it so. Metra has triple the amount of rail lines, faster
service, cleaner trains, hell of a lot better stations, and a much smoother
ride, with little more cost.
Matt Foley: Motiva tional Speaker
some 280,000 residents, you'll get a reaction that includes some
snickering, more so than other suburban communities. Aurora's not
necessarily poor -- it does have a few neighborhoods that have seen
better days, but it's a predominantly middle class town. However, there
is a perception that Aurora is located far from Denver, considering the
"out by Kansas" comments. It also experienced a massive growth spurt in
the 1970s and 1980s, and the vast majority of the city has the feel of
the planned communities of the day -- neat shopping centers, a confusing
"loop and lollypop" street pattern, and an antiseptic feel that makes
the place seem far more sterile than Denver's other suburbs.>>
Sounds a lot like Elmira to me.
Yeah, Elmira as a whole has seen better days. But there are actually
some decent parts of the city, mainly West Elmira (middle and upper
class) and most of the Southside where I live (middle class). The only
areas that you have to watch out in are the Near Westside Neighborhood
immediately west of downtown and the northeast side, including the area
surrounding Elmira College. The closer to downtown you get, the lower
the standards get.
Elmira also gets ridiculed because, quite honestly, there's nothing.
Heck, for nightlife, it's not uncommon for one to make a trip to
Corning, Ithaca, or even Binghamton. There was a lot of hope for this
area until 1972 when the floods from Hurricane Agnes washed them away.
It's been a rebuillding period since. But hopes are rising again for a
revitalization of the area with the NY 17/I-86 upgrade, US 15/(cough)
I-99 upgrade, Corning Inc.'s expansion (in spite of recent layoffs), and
the Coach USA Center in downtown Elmira, just to name a few.
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southwest Penfield, some of the entrances to which must be reached from
ultra-posh Pittsford, but I haven't heard any specific comments about
the place or its residents.>>
In spite of attending Penfield schools for six years, I never really
heard anything, positive or negative, about the trailer park off NY 441
(It's actually one relatively large development).
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there call it Cheekta-vegas. Anyone know why?
Anyway, I used to live in the Southern Tier of New York, where most of
the smaller communities get equally mocked. They also tend to mock
"Pennsyltucky" -- in particular, Towanda, which is home to a certain
family of Dutch origin which traditionally has, um... kept it the
family. The term "Towanda-pools" has often been used to describe people
throughout the general area.
I now live in Bradford County, Pennsyltucky, and people here go one step
further. They mock "South Towanda" as opposed to Towanda itself. Some
also mock the Sayre/Athens area as it tends to be more urban than the
rest of the county.
Kevin Olmstead
Washington and anyone from West Virginia
James D Thompson
>
> Dan Tasman wrote:
>
> > So,, what suburban community is the butt of jokes in your area,
> > and why?
>
And everyone in Manassas makes fun of Manassas Park (home of John
Wayne Bobbitt, as anyone in Manassas is quick to point out).
David Thompson
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>
> I think it's actually more distant cities, rather than suburbs, that get
> more heckling amongst folks 'round here. Utica is usually regarded as a
> laughingstock (for no particular reason other than its name and its
> perceived blightedness). Ditto Schenectady.
Utica, a laughingstock? Sure, that's what I thought too about 5 years
ago when I first moved out here for college. That's also when Ed
Hanna was mayor. Now that Tim Julian is mayor, I think that Utica
will emerge better than before. As for the name... well, there was no
way in hell anyone would want to be saying, much less spelling,
Yahnundasis.
Jason L. Bennett
Oriskany, NY
(a "suburb" of both Utica and Rome)
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>
> In article <3ADA4BFC...@nmia.com>, Pat O'Connell <pa...@nmia.com> wrote:
>
> > Well there's Carmel, mocked as the place with $250,000 homes with
> > Mercedes-Benzes in the driveways and no curtains in the windows.
>
> Also (getting back on topic) no street addresses.
>
mocked as well.
Carmel, IN has similarly pretentious residents, but all too many of
them are in hock to the max for their overpriced houses and cars.
Hence, no curtains, or even furniture in some cases. At least
Carmelites in Indiana have addresses.
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>
> Las Vegas? Pahrump. No question about it. C'mon, the town has probably 20 homes
> with foundations(the rest of the 25,000 people live in trailers), and at least
> two legal brothels! How can you NOT make fun of it?!?!
How about the anti-Pahrump, Summerlin, NV? Reminds me of Carmel, IN
(see other posts) in its pretentiousness and general bad taste (see
really ugly bronze horse statues at the entrance to one expensive
housing development/golf course on Town Center Drive).
I think you're gonna be right about NIMBYism on the highways leading
into Boulder City, though. They better think about building a Railroad
Pass-Needles freeway or expressway in the future.
MojaveNC
(see other posts) in its pretentiousness and general bad taste (see
really ugly bronze horse statues at the entrance to one expensive
housing development/golf course on Town Center Drive).
>>
That's Queensridge, part of Peccole Ranch, even though geographically, it's
inside Summerlin.(Or Slummerlin, or Scummerlin.) I actually like the parts of
Summerlin that were done by Howard Hughes, especially the older areas where the
landscaping has grown in. If you're going to do a MPC, that's the way to do
it.
<< I think you're gonna be right about NIMBYism on the highways leading
into Boulder City, though. They better think about building a Railroad
Pass-Needles freeway or expressway in the future. >>
Supposedly soon, 95 will be expressway.
MojaveNC
acknowledged the above. I notice that you often advocate mass transit
solutions
to LA but are more than willing to have more freeways in Las Vegas. Perhaps
you
want our California highway funding to go to Nevada!! >>
Actually, I advocate both for both. I'd like to see the Angeles Crest Freeway
to Palmdale, 101 improvements, and, well, y'know, widening all of them. And
I'd like to see Clark County begin master planning the Ivanpah and Erie
Valleys, before they get auctioned off by way of the Southern Nevada Public
Lands Management Act. That would include a new freeway connecting I-15 near
Jean to I-215 on the west side of LV, and NV 160 be upgaded to a freeway, too.
But I'd also like to see mass transit in both places. I'd like to see the
monorail go on both sides of the Strip and to the Airport, I'd like to see
light rail out to Summerlin, the southwest, and Green Valley. Especially
before we become TOO dependent on cars out here. On the same front, I'd like
to see the red line branch into the Valley, to Santa Monica, and into the San
Gabriel Valley. I'd like the Blue Line to go up into Pasadena, La Cañada, etc.
And I'd like to see the green line keep going and going and going. Mass
transit is the poor man's freeway, and it'll be a success, even in LA, with
proper planning.
And I'm about the only Vegas-based roadgeek that isn't against NDOT giving
money to Caltrans for the 15 corridor. But hey, if you WANT to give us
money...
N.W.Perry
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I would not be surprised if they were in East Rochester's district. I forgot
about East Rochester; they get a lot of grief. Many think of them as being
wannabe-gangstas...only not urbane enough (a twinge too much trailer and not
enough 'hood). The village has a curfew for minors, BTW.
N.W.Perry
at random (drawn from a hat, essentially). Also, Utica is one of the claimed
hometowns of Springfield school superindendent Chalmers, although he was
born in Queens, educated in Muncie and lived for a time in Intercourse.
Utica also rivals Springfield as a "City on the Grow".
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Amos
room for the freeway. Tearing down homes to build a freeway almost always
has a negative effect on the neighborhood through which the freeway is
built. However, if you build a freeway into a open area and a community
forms around it, it's an entirely different story.
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GeneJYao
<<BTW, the name "Utica" was chosen
at random (drawn from a hat, essentially). >>
How was it selected at random? Is this also the story behind Ithaca?
Dan Tasman
>Does Littleton get mocked since it's home to Columbine High School?
Nope. Littleton is a comfy middle class 'burb, and there are plenty of
very affluent unincorporated areas with Littleton addresses. Supposedly,
after the shootings, out-of-district enrollment at Columbine (which is
actually in unincorporated Jefferson County) _increased_.
Michael G. Koerner
Sort of like 'Oshkosh' (named after a Menominee chief), as well as
boatloads of other place names here in the midwest.
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>In Seattle, anything south of I-90 in King County gets tons of abuse.
>Auburn, Seatac, Des Moines, Kent, and the other communities are
>notorious as the home of the mullet and the Camaro in the Pacific
>Northwest.
[Following: Orlando, Las Cruces/El Paso]
I'm in Orlando now, but I've noticed that communities where I see heavy
concentrations of mullets aren't really on the joke list. Winter Garden
and Apopka seem to have more than their fair share of Nextel-toting
mulletheads, shrines to Dale Earnhardt, heavy equipment rental businesses
and auto body shops, and so on, but nobody cares. No jokes about Winter
Garden, Heathrow or Doctor Philips (upper middle class), Windermere (upper
class), or Kississimme (a 'burb near Disney with some frighteningly tacky
development)
Pine Hills seems to be the butt of a few jokes, but only because it turned
from a predomiantly Anglo, working and middle class community to "da'
hood" in the past ten years. There's several pirate radio stations
operating out of Pine Hills that play uncensored, hardcore gangsta rap.
In Las Cruces, New Mexico, El Paso was the butt of most jokes. El Paso is
an ugly, ugly city, a place that perhapshas the highest concentration of
billboards and high-rise signs in the United States. Las Crucenos make fun
of Hell Paso because they like it that way -- the El Pasoans actually seem
to revel in their horrid built environment, and they want to make it worse
for the same of "encouraging commerce" or something like that. That's not
to mention the pollution, the sight of cardboard shacks in Mexico from I-
10, and the constant "mating call of the El Paso warbler" (non-stop car
alarm sounds in the background). El Paso, if anything, is a "challenging
city" -- those who live there are rewarded for their penance by outstanding
restaurants and a frighteningly low cost of living (new 1,800 square foot
houses for $90K, middle class families with live-in maids, that sort of
thing).
Alamogordo was a runner-up, called "Alamagaudy" for the tacky development
along White Sands Boulevard, perhaps one of the longest "White Trash Rows"
(commercial strip consisting almost entirely of heavy equipment dealers,
mobile home dealers, junkyards, gun stores, pawn shops, flea markets, old
filling stations, and so on) I've seen in the U.S. It's another city where
the residents know it's ugly, and like it, thank you very much, and to hell
with zoning regulations, landscaping requirements, sign codes, and other
things that "stifle commerce and freedom." You'll see at least one of the
three following bumper stickers on practically every vehicle in Alamo --
"JET NOISE -- SOUND OF FREEDOM!"
"THEY'LL TAKE MY GUN WHEN THEY PRY IT FROM MY COLD, DEAD HAND"
"JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OVER ALAMOGORDO!"
N.W.Perry
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Not sure, exactly; my source (1940 WPA guide) doesn't say. It does mention
that Canton was also chosen randomly.
Ithaca, on the other hand, is probably attributable to the Military Tract,
whose placenames are laregely drawn from figures in Classical antiquity. Its
influence is more obvious farther north where names like Cicero, Brutus,
Hannibal and Pompey abound. Still, Ulysses, Hector, and Homer are not far
from Ithaca.
Don Hagstrom
>
><<I wouldn't hold your breath on any I-540 but I am glad that you have
>acknowledged the above. I notice that you often advocate mass transit
>solutions
>to LA but are more than willing to have more freeways in Las Vegas. Perhaps
>you
>want our California highway funding to go to Nevada!! >>
>
>
>Actually, I advocate both for both. I'd like to see the Angeles Crest Freeway
>to Palmdale, 101 improvements, and, well, y'know, widening all of them. And
>I'd like to see Clark County begin master planning the Ivanpah and Erie
>Valleys, before they get auctioned off by way of the Southern Nevada Public
>Lands Management Act. That would include a new freeway connecting I-15 near
>Jean to I-215 on the west side of LV, and NV 160 be upgaded to a freeway, too.
>
>But I'd also like to see mass transit in both places. I'd like to see the
>monorail go on both sides of the Strip and to the Airport, I'd like to see
>light rail out to Summerlin, the southwest, and Green Valley. Especially
>before we become TOO dependent on cars out here. On the same front, I'd like
>to see the red line branch into the Valley, to Santa Monica, and into the San
>Gabriel Valley. I'd like the Blue Line to go up into Pasadena, La Cañada, etc.
> And I'd like to see the green line keep going and going and going. Mass
>transit is the poor man's freeway, and it'll be a success, even in LA, with
>proper planning.
But do you really think people would ride it in the vast numbers required to
justify those huge investments in transit you are proposing? Rail in Summerlin?
Make it commuter (heavy rail) at least. Light rail is slow and is like putting
in another surface street. Think of who the riders would be out there. Perhaps
some of the senior citizens unable to drive might go but with the average
incomes being as high in Summerlin as I am guessing, (and in Green Valley), it'd
be hard to get more than 1/2 % of them in a trolley car.
As far as the poor man's freeway goes, 3% of commuter miles in LA are on
transit. Poor people make up far more than 3% of the population. So most
poorer people still have the car as their priority, even when they could
probably take the bus.
Yes, some transit investments are a good idea but let's be careful be for we
over invest. Leave some of the right-of-way available in case it becomes
feasible but let their be demonstrated demand on existing lines (once they get
built) before adding new ones.
The Strip Monorail is a little different since it serves a market area in which
people will take the rail instead of walking. It will be a nice convenience.
And maybe it would work to the airport as an alternative to the taxi or bus.
But be careful about it for the commuters. People in the Southwestern US love
their freeways.
>
>And I'm about the only Vegas-based roadgeek that isn't against NDOT giving
>money to Caltrans for the 15 corridor. But hey, if you WANT to give us
>money...
Ah, you see the importance of us Californians to your casinos : ) But it is a
you win-we win situation with I-15. I don't mind our dollars going to Nevada
and your casinos. There's plenty to do in California as well.
Las Vegas is turning out to be a nice place to live. Kind of an extension of
Southern California and I hope you take that in the right way. A big reason why
many people are moving there. Nice homes, better traffic (believe it or not),
and an exciting atmosphere. The LA-San Diego-Las Vegas-Phoenix quadrant is
poised to become an important powerhouse.
Thanks for clarifying your position.
Don
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> > > Well there's Carmel, mocked as the place with $250,000 homes with
> > > Mercedes-Benzes in the driveways and no curtains in the windows.
> >
> > Also (getting back on topic) no street addresses.
> >
> You _might_ be talking about Carmel CA, which probably should be
> mocked as well.
> Carmel, IN has similarly pretentious residents,
Whoops! I saw "Carmel" and just automatically assumed the famous one
in California. My mistake.
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> Evanston is great, it has the security and "hippness" of the North Shore, with
> all the good things that come from a big city.
>
> But PLEASE: Take Metra, not the "El." I want the CTA to go out of busniess
> because I hate it so. Metra has triple the amount of rail lines, faster
> service, cleaner trains, hell of a lot better stations, and a much smoother
> ride, with little more cost.
But Metra doesn't run nearly as often as the L , for a trip between
Chicago and Evanston.
Doug Broda
<mgk...@dataex.com> wrote:
>What effect would the completion of the freeway planned to run eastward
>from the stub end of the US 9/20 bridge have had on Rensselaer?
>
It's one place where cutting the heart out of the city would have --
in 20/20 hindsight -- been a positive. At the time, plans to
revitalize Rensselaer were being touted, but they all failed.
>I also kindof wonder what the effect of a reasonable annexation law
>(like those in many of the states in the midwest and west) would be on
>the cities in upstate New York....
Hard to say, but I think Schenectady is one area city that might have
been able to annex 30 years ago and would be benifitting from it today
if the law were less restrictive and demanding. Today, if the law
required those in the area to be annexed to approve, there are very
few areas that would approve annexation to the cities. The tax burden
would be too high.
>
>Rensselaer hosts the 'Albany' Amtrak station (at least it did when I was
>there last June). :-)
Still does. Also hosts the new station, which is getting seriously
delayed in opening for a bunch of political/funding reasons too
lengthy to detail here.
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Richard Stinneford
"N.W.Perry" wrote:
> Well, stereotypes take time to be erased. BTW, the name "Utica" was chosen
> at random (drawn from a hat, essentially). Also, Utica is one of the claimed
> hometowns of Springfield school superindendent Chalmers, although he was
> born in Queens, educated in Muncie and lived for a time in Intercourse.
> Utica also rivals Springfield as a "City on the Grow".
Ah, yes. The "steamed hams" episode.
hungryc...@the.swamp
suburb. Cobb is home to Kennesaw, which some of you may remember as
the city that actually required gun ownership by law. It is more than
just a bit conservative, to put it mildly. Rep. Bob Barr, one of the
more flamboyant members of Congress, is from there.
Gwinnett County (in the northeast) takes a hit from time-to-time, but
not for its conservatism. Blandness seems to be their problem, along
with the traffic. Saying you are from Gwinnett seems to be a synonym
among some people for "Hi, I'm dangerously dull." I don't know anyone
from Gwinnett, so I cannot confirm or deny the truth of this
stereotype. The traffic is certainly bad, though.
Robert Cruickshank
"Michael G. Koerner" wrote:
>
> Those sound like 'Indian' names to me.
Utica was a Carthaginian city, located in North Africa (present day
Libya, to be specific).
Ithaca was an island off of the Greek coast, in the Adriatic. Odysseus'
home was on Ithaka.
--
Robert I. Cruickshank
roadgeek, historian, progressive
Ben Johnson
>>
>> But PLEASE: Take Metra, not the "El." I want the CTA to go out of busniess
>> because I hate it so. Metra has triple the amount of rail lines, faster
>> service, cleaner trains, hell of a lot better stations, and a much smoother
>> ride, with little more cost.
>
> But Metra doesn't run nearly as often as the L , for a trip between
> Chicago and Evanston.
>
Exactly. Last summer I was doing an internship and had a place out in
the Wheeling/Northbrook area (company subsidized, I couldn't afford
that!). I went to see Dave Matthews at Soldier Field in early July, and
had to head back to Union Station at a brisk jog to catch the last train
out at 12:30am. If I want to go down to a club on the north side, I
don't want to call it a night quite so early. I can catch the Purple to
Davis (block and a half from my front door) up through about 2am.
And hey, I'm still a college student. My standards aren't all that high
- a new Honda Civic is a nice car for me. Metra's a great deal when you
live farther out. $6/roundtrip and no parking garages is great.
--
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of C came up with "Pasadena, where the grass is greener" slogan, the locals
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Chris Hughes
the community!" What?! It's a road for cryin' out loud, not the Berlin Wall..
It's a couple hundred feet of pavement. Walk over the overpass and you're on the
other side. Not a big deal. I grew up OC near two major freeways and never felt
seperated. Just drove, walked, biked over the freeway... hardly even noticed it.
(Much safer than crossing a busy street)
I also lived in Northridge. You have to go a few miles to access a freeway.
Didn't feel any difference in regards to being seperated. In fact, I found it a
real hassle to go anywhere because it took 10-15 minutes to get over to a freeway.
Chris Hughes
Traffic Reporter
Airwatch America / Premiere Traffic Networks
>
>
> GRRRR. The 710 will kill South Pasadena. I've been listening to that from my
> dad(South Pas HS, c/o 67 i think) for 19 years. And I believe him. When you
> have a COMMUNITY like that, in a larger urban area, you can't slice it in half
> with a freeway. You have to admire the fact that it actually has a sense of
> community.
>
>
Don Hagstrom
>
>I hear this all the time ... "Oh you can't put a freeway through, it will divide
>the community!" What?! It's a road for cryin' out loud, not the Berlin Wall..
>It's a couple hundred feet of pavement. Walk over the overpass and you're on the
>other side. Not a big deal. I grew up OC near two major freeways and never felt
>seperated. Just drove, walked, biked over the freeway... hardly even noticed it.
>(Much safer than crossing a busy street)
>
>I also lived in Northridge. You have to go a few miles to access a freeway.
>Didn't feel any difference in regards to being seperated. In fact, I found it a
>real hassle to go anywhere because it took 10-15 minutes to get over to a freeway.
Finally, some common sense. Freeways don't divide communities any more than do
railroads or even surface streets. People use that as an excuse to not build
them. I agree. I have always lived near a freeway, by the 91, later the 105,
and now the 57. Its just another impressive piece of engineering to admire and
so necessary to travel and our economy. And it is much safer to cross than a
street. I think more pedestrians have died crossing streets than they have
going over a freeway on an overpass or underpass...
Had LA built all the freeways it should have, no one would have had to go 10-15
minutes to access a freeway, which is a hassle. Hopefully freeways will be
built in LA once again.
South Pasadena would be just fine with the 710. Its main business district is
on Fair Oaks and that would not be affected.
Don
>
>Chris Hughes
>Traffic Reporter
>Airwatch America / Premiere Traffic Networks
>
>
>>
>>
>> GRRRR. The 710 will kill South Pasadena. I've been listening to that from my
>> dad(South Pas HS, c/o 67 i think) for 19 years. And I believe him. When you
>> have a COMMUNITY like that, in a larger urban area, you can't slice it in half
>> with a freeway. You have to admire the fact that it actually has a sense of
>> community.
>>
>>
>
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<snip>
> Of course, I'm about to become a suburbanite - I just signed a lease for
> a place in downtown Evanston. But, I can still ride the El, and if it
> weren't for the other building in the way, I could see the lake from my
> window...so I'm not *really* a suburbanite. :)
I used to live (1987-88) in an apartment on Maple street just north of
Davis Street (above Gigio's pizza, sort of).
I wonder which of my old haunts are still around.
Chris Katella
1. Intercourse (Clintons favorite PA town)
2. Mars (no explantion needed.)
3. Bird-In-Hand???
4. Zelienople (named after the founders daughter, named zelie. WHO WOULD
NAME A DAUGHTER ZELIE!!!!???!!!!???!!??)
That is all I can think of
I live near Mars & Zelienople,so those were easy choices.
Sincerly,
Chris K
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> In Denver, it seems that if you mention Aurora, a suburban city of some
> 280,000 residents, you'll get a reaction that includes some snickering,
> more so than other suburban communities. Aurora's not necessarily poor --
> it does have a few neighborhoods that have seen better days, but it's a
> predominantly middle class town. However, there is a perception that
> Aurora is located far from Denver, considering the "out by Kansas"
> comments. It also experienced a massive growth spurt in the 1970s and
> 1980s, and the vast majority of the city has the feel of the planned
> communities of the day -- neat shopping centers, a confusing "loop and
> lollypop" street pattern, and an antiseptic feel that makes the place seem
> far more sterile than Denver's other suburbs.
>
> In Buffalo, Cheektowaga is the subject of most suburban mocking. It's a
> blue-collar suburb of some 90,000 residents, a plurality of which ... uhh,
> have origins from a certain Eastern European country whose citizens have
> traditionally provided fodder for ethnic jokes. It's very blue collar,
very
> old-school Catholic, and the town's residents talk in an staccato accent
> that is far different than the "normal," nasal Buffalo accent. Cheektowaga
> also has a very heavy concentration of lawn ornaments -- for some reason,
> many homeowners have devoted a significant portion of their front yards to
> Virgin Mary shrines, pink flamingos, shiny orbs, yard butts, and similar
> objects that are rare in most other Buffalo suburbs.
>
> So,, what suburban community is the butt of jokes in your area, and why?
Don Hagstrom
Don
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Discuss transportation issues in the Western United States/Canada/Mexico.
Scott M. Kozel
Isn't that where those flying saucers supposedly landed, with direct
human-alien contact?
How come these "landings" always happen way out in the wilderness,
rather than at MIT or Times Square or the Washington Mall or some such
similar place where lots of educated people are? Why do the "aliens"
travel trillions of miles and the eschew the places where they would
find lots of other intelligent life? Buzzing cars, blowing out power
lines... yeah right.
> and "Truth or Consequences"?
Like the TV game show?
> Chris Katella says...
>
> >Here is a list of Pennsylvanian Towns that are "mocked"
> >1. Intercourse (Clintons favorite PA town)
> >2. Mars (no explantion needed.)
> >3. Bird-In-Hand???
> >4. Zelienople (named after the founders daughter, named zelie. WHO WOULD
> >NAME A DAUGHTER ZELIE!!!!???!!!!???!!??)
> >That is all I can think of
> >I live near Mars & Zelienople,so those were easy choices.
Don't forget Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
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Scott M. Kozel Highway and Transportation History Websites
Virginia/Maryland/Washington D.C. http://www.roadstothefuture.com
Philadelphia and Delaware Valley http://www.pennways.com
Robert Cote
"Scott M. Kozel" <koz...@richmond.infi.net> wrote:
> Don Hagstrom<don...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > In New Mexico, I wonder how they view "Roswell"
>
> Isn't that where those flying saucers supposedly landed, with direct
> human-alien contact?
>
> How come these "landings" always happen way out in the wilderness,
> rather than at MIT or Times Square or the Washington Mall or some such
> similar place where lots of educated people are? Why do the "aliens"
> travel trillions of miles and the eschew the places where they would
> find lots of other intelligent life? Buzzing cars, blowing out power
> lines... yeah right.
First seriously, if you were looking for a safe place to land would
YOU pick Washington D.C.? Second, what evidence is there that D.C.
does contain intelligent life?
Back in the late 70's Carl Sagan pointed out that our criteria for
both the Moon and Mars landings would have put a landing on planet
Earth in places where it would be very unlikely to find life. The
great deserts, ice floes, poles, etc.
Roswell is infamous for a supposed alien crash, not landing. Based on
current physics there's no way for these types of visits. Any
fantastic leap that envisions hyperspace or higher dimensional travel
would mean the aliens would have offices in downtown with long term
leases. Small wonder rents are so high.
I-395 is famous for alien interlopers. When the spacecraft get back
to the China Lake NAS the alien pilots are severely disciplined.