You Thought Sitting in Traiffic on the Parkway was bad!
Jeff Kitsko
birth to a baby girl on the Parkway East near the PA 885 exit.
And no, mother says that her name will not incorporate "Parkway" or "Highway."
http://www.kdka.com/now/story/0,1597,244015-403,00.shtml
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-20001025-105908.html
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jjki...@aol.comNOI-99 (Jeff Kitsko) wrote:
> At 12:30 AM this morning, a woman on her way to Magee-Womens Hospital gave
> birth to a baby girl on the Parkway East near the PA 885 exit.
>
> And no, mother says that her name will not incorporate "Parkway" or "Highway."
How about "Penn" or "Lincoln"?
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Jeff Kitsko
No one uses them around here, so why should she? :-)
C470guy
KDKA Pittsburgh? Why does this station begin with 'K' this far east? email me
Jeff Kitsko
>
>KDKA Pittsburgh? Why does this station begin with 'K' this far east? email
>me
>
It was originally WDTV, but then because the famous first radio station in the
county's calls were KDKA, the TV station chose those as well. The calls were
grandfathered in when the FCC when to the K/W division. Just like WFAA-8
Dallas and KYW-3 Philadelphia.
The Bakers
"Jeff Kitsko" <jjki...@aol.comNOI-99> wrote in message
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Jeff Kitsko
Yes, but I didn't feel like going through every K/W station outside the normal
designated areas.
zen...@mindspring.com
into effect. Same thing with station KQV
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In article <20001027042913...@ng-fr1.aol.com>, c47...@aol.com
Richie Kennedy
http://www.ipass.net/~whitetho/recap.htm
Showing partiality to vowels, the next major blocks drawn upon for ship
stations were four-letter combinations of KI--, KO--, and KU--. After
exhausting the vowels, and with KA-- to KC-- not yet assigned to the United
States, the first available consonant, KD--, was drafted beginning June
1920. At this point an anomaly occurred. The Bureau, perhaps caught up in a
burst of egalitarianism, began assigning the last of the KU--, and the new
KD-- calls to most stations, whether land or sea. The result, on October 27,
1920, was that a new Westinghouse station in East Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
KDKA, was sandwiched between the ships Montgomery City (KDJZ) and Eastern
Sword (KDKB). The "KD-- for everyone" policy continued until April, 1921,
when the original three-letter land station policy was reinstated. This
meant that, in May, 1921, when the second Westinghouse broadcast station,
WJZ in Newark, New Jersey (now WABC, New York City) was authorized, the
original call policy had been restored. Much speculation has been made about
the unique status of KDKA's call, but this uniqueness actually is just a
fluke, due to the fact that no other surviving broadcaster was licenced
during this short anomaly. Had KDKA been licenced a few months earlier or
later it most likely would have gotten a three-letter W call like everyone
else.
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R.P.K
<insert witty comment here>
"C470guy" <c47...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bob Bailin
> From United States Call Letter Policies by Thomas White:
> http://www.ipass.net/~whitetho/recap.htm
>
> Showing partiality to vowels, the next major blocks drawn upon for ship
> stations were four-letter combinations of KI--, KO--, and KU--. After
> exhausting the vowels, and with KA-- to KC-- not yet assigned to the United
> States, the first available consonant, KD--, was drafted beginning June
> 1920. At this point an anomaly occurred. The Bureau, perhaps caught up in a
> burst of egalitarianism, began assigning the last of the KU--, and the new
> KD-- calls to most stations, whether land or sea. The result, on October 27,
> 1920, was that a new Westinghouse station in East Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
> KDKA, was sandwiched between the ships Montgomery City (KDJZ) and Eastern
> Sword (KDKB). The "KD-- for everyone" policy continued until April, 1921,
> when the original three-letter land station policy was reinstated. This
> meant that, in May, 1921, when the second Westinghouse broadcast station,
> WJZ in Newark, New Jersey (now WABC, New York City) was authorized, the
> original call policy had been restored. Much speculation has been made about
> the unique status of KDKA's call, but this uniqueness actually is just a
> fluke, due to the fact that no other surviving broadcaster was licenced
> during this short anomaly. Had KDKA been licenced a few months earlier or
> later it most likely would have gotten a three-letter W call like everyone
> else.
>
So how does KYW in Philly fit in with this plan?
>
> --
> Flames and spam to /dev/null/ Have a nice day :)
>
> R.P.K
> <insert witty comment here>
> "C470guy" <c47...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20001027042913...@ng-fr1.aol.com...
> > >http://www.kdka.com/now/story/0,1597,244015-403,00.shtml
> >
> > KDKA Pittsburgh? Why does this station begin with 'K' this far east?
> email me
>
>
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Garrett Wollman
Jeff Kitsko <jjki...@aol.comNOI-99> wrote:
>Just like WFAA-8 Dallas and KYW-3 Philadelphia.
Careful! These two situations are not analogous. KYW is one of the
original three-letter assignments. When WFAA was originally assigned
in Dallas, the K-W line was on the western border of Texas, Oklahoma,
etc., rather than the Mississippi. As a result of this move, there
are far more ``western W's'' than ``eastern K's'' -- in fact, there
are exactly four of them: KYW, KDKA, KQV, and KTGG in Spring Arbor,
Mich. The last was granted quite recently by clerical error.
When KYW was originally assigned, it was located in Chicago. It was
later moved to Philadelphia, but its TV sister station was WPTZ, after
former owner Philco. NBC then extorted a facility swap out of
Westinghouse, resulting in the first assignment of KYW-TV, at
Cleveland. Westinghouse eventually won its lawsuit against NBC;
the Cleveland stations returned to NBC under the callsign WKYC, and
channel 3 in Philadelphia became KYW-TV for the first time. (Under
NBC ownership it had been WRCV after parent company RCA.)
There are only three three-letter callsigns on U.S. TV stations:
KGW 8 Portland, Ore.
WIS 10 Columbia, S.C.
WJW 8 Cleveland, O.
There aren't many more with five-letter callsigns:
KGO-TV 7 San Francisco, Calif.
KHQ-TV 6 Spokane, Wash.
KOB-TV 4 Albuqurque, N.M.
KSL-TV 5 Salt Lake City, Ut.
KYW-TV 3 Philadelphia, Penna. [1]
WBZ-TV 4 Boston, Mass. [1]
WGN-TV 9 Chicago, Ill.
WHA-TV 21 Madison, Wis.
WHO-TV 13 Des Moines, Ia.
WHP-TV 21 Harrisburg, Penna. [1]
WJZ-TV 13 Baltimore, Md. [1]
WLS-TV 7 Chicago, Ill.
WMC-TV 5 Memphis, Tenn.
WOI-TV 5 Ames, Ia.
WRC-TV 4 Washington, D.C.
WSB-TV 2 Atlanta, Ga.
WWJ-TV 62 Detroit, Mich. [1]
WWL-TV 4 New Orleans, La.
Now, since I'm going to all this effort, I might as well provide the
rest of the list:
FMs (three-letter)
KDB 93.7 Santa Barbara, Calif.
KSD 93.7 St. Louis, Mo.
KUT 90.5 Austin, Tex.
WRR 101.1 Dallas, Tex.
FMs (five-letter)
KGB-FM 101.5 San Diego, Calif.
KGY-FM 96.9 McCleary, Wash.
KID-FM 96.1 Idaho Falls, Ida.
KPQ-FM 102.1 Wenatchee, Wash.
KUJ-FM 99.1 Walla Walla, Wash.
KXO-FM 107.5 El Centro, Calif.
WBT-FM 99.3 Chester, S.C.
WGH-FM 97.3 Newport News, Va.
WHK-FM 98.1 Canton, O.
WIL-FM 92.3 St. Louis, Mo.
WMC-FM 99.7 Memphis, Tenn.
WMT-FM 96.5 Cedar Rapids, Ia.
WOI-FM 90.1 Ames, Ia.
WSB-FM 98.5 Atlanta, Ga.
WSM-FM 95.5 Nashville, Tenn.
AMs (three-letter):
KEX 1190 Portland, Ore.
KFH 1330 Wichita, Kans.
KFI 640 Los Angeles, Calif.
KGA 1510 Spokane, Wash.
KGU 760 Honolulu, Hi.
KGY 1240 Olympia, Wash.
KHJ 930 Los Angeles, Calif. [2]
KID 590 Idaho Falls, Ida.
KIT 1280 Yakima, Wash.
KJR 950 Seattle, Wash. [1]
KLO 1430 Ogden, Ut.
KLZ 560 Denver, Colo.
KMA 960 Shenandoah, Ia.
KMJ 580 Fresno, Calif. [1]
KNX 1070 Los Angeles, Calif.
KOA 850 Denver, Colo.
KOY 1230 Phoenix, Ariz.
KPQ 560 Wenatchee, Wash.
KQV 1410 Pittsburgh, Penna.
KSL 1160 Salt Lake City, Ut.
KUJ 1420 Walla Walla, Wash.
KVI 570 Seattle, Wash. [1]
KWG 1230 Stockton, Calif. [1]
KXL 750 Portland, Ore.
KXO 1230 El Centro, Calif.
KYW 1060 Philadelphia, Penna. [1]
WBT 1110 Charlotte, N.C. [1]
WBZ 1030 Boston, Mass. [1]
WDZ 1050 Decatur, Ill.
WEW 770 St. Louis, Mo.
WGH 1310 Newport News, Va.
WGL 1250 Fort Wayne, Ind.
WGN 720 Chicago, Ill.
WGR 550 Buffalo, N.Y.
WHA 970 Madison, Wis.
WHB 810 Kansas City, Mo.
WHK 1420 Cleveland, O.
WHO 1040 Des Moines, Ia.
WHP 580 Harrisburg, Penna. [1]
WIP 610 Philadelphia, Penna.
WJR 760 Detroit, Mich. [1]
WKY 930 Oklahoma City, Okla.
WLS 890 Chicago, Ill.
WLW 700 Cincinnati, O.
WMC 790 Memphia, Tenn.
WMT 600 Cedar Rapids, Ia.
WOC 1420 Davenport, Ia.
WOI 640 Ames, Ia.
WOL 1450 Washington, D.C.
WOR 710 New York, N.Y. [1]
WSB 750 Atlanta, Ga.
WSM 650 Nashville, Tenn.
WWJ 950 Detroit, Mich. [1]
WWL 870 New Orleans, La.
I'm not even going to try to do all of the wrong-side `W' stations.
There are six in Texas, four in Oklahoma, three in Kansas, two in
Nebraska, three in South Dakota, four in North Dakota, twelve in Iowa
[3], seven in Missouri [4], and none (!) in Arkansas. Because the
dividing line runs through Louisiana and Minnesota, it's not possible
for me to do the count for those states (and in borderline cases the
Funny Cookie Commission usually gives the stations a pass).
-GAWollman
[1] Indicates stations I have personally seen.
[2] A recent revenant: the owners managed to convince the FCC that the
`KK' in their old callsign (KKHJ) meant something indecent in Spanish,
and therefore they should be permitted to get the station's original
callsign back.
[3] It's possible that some of these stations may be licensed to Iowa
but have transmitters in Illinois; the FCC has never been particularly
clear on the issue.
[4] Similarly to [3].
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David Jensen
wol...@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote in
<8tfrbo$2rle$1...@traf.lcs.mit.edu>:
>In article <20001027085803...@ng-fi1.aol.com>,
>Jeff Kitsko <jjki...@aol.comNOI-99> wrote:
>
>>Just like WFAA-8 Dallas and KYW-3 Philadelphia.
>
>Careful! These two situations are not analogous. KYW is one of the
>original three-letter assignments. When WFAA was originally assigned
>in Dallas, the K-W line was on the western border of Texas, Oklahoma,
>etc., rather than the Mississippi. As a result of this move, there
>are far more ``western W's'' than ``eastern K's'' -- in fact, there
>are exactly four of them: KYW, KDKA, KQV, and KTGG in Spring Arbor,
>Mich. The last was granted quite recently by clerical error.
Did KFIZ in Fond du Lac, WI disappear?
Garrett Wollman
David Jensen <da...@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
>Did KFIZ in Fond du Lac, WI disappear?
Nope -- missed that one. It's been around for a long, long time.
There's also KUWS, KRBR-FM, KXTP, and KBJR-TV, all in Superior, which
get the ``oops, the Mississippi doesn't run north-south all the way''
exception.
-GAWollman
Mike St.
"David Jensen" <da...@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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Nope. The local cable uses it for the audio on one of its channels.
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David Jensen
>In article <4ttmvsk3it7bgfjka...@4ax.com>,
>David Jensen <da...@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
>
>>Did KFIZ in Fond du Lac, WI disappear?
>
>Nope -- missed that one. It's been around for a long, long time.
>There's also KUWS, KRBR-FM, KXTP, and KBJR-TV, all in Superior, which
>get the ``oops, the Mississippi doesn't run north-south all the way''
>exception.
>
>-GAWollman
The Twin Cities, of course, get to pick whatever they want. Gannett
bought one of the TV stations changed it from K<mumble> to WUSA then to
KARE, moving WUSA to their new flagship station in DC. WCCO was founded
by the owners of the Minneapolis Star and KSTP was from the owners of
the St. Paul Pioneer-Press.
David Jensen
"Mike St." <mjst...@hnet.net> wrote in
<fvLK5.4161$qR3.1...@homer.alpha.net>:
>
>"David Jensen" <da...@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
>news:4ttmvsk3it7bgfjka...@4ax.com...
>> On 29 Oct 2000 00:35:04 GMT, in misc.transport.road
>> wol...@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote in
>> <8tfrbo$2rle$1...@traf.lcs.mit.edu>:
>>
>>
>> >In article <20001027085803...@ng-fi1.aol.com>,
>> >Jeff Kitsko <jjki...@aol.comNOI-99> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Just like WFAA-8 Dallas and KYW-3 Philadelphia.
>> >
>> >Careful! These two situations are not analogous. KYW is one of the
>> >original three-letter assignments. When WFAA was originally assigned
>> >in Dallas, the K-W line was on the western border of Texas, Oklahoma,
>> >etc., rather than the Mississippi. As a result of this move, there
>> >are far more ``western W's'' than ``eastern K's'' -- in fact, there
>> >are exactly four of them: KYW, KDKA, KQV, and KTGG in Spring Arbor,
>> >Mich. The last was granted quite recently by clerical error.
>>
>> Did KFIZ in Fond du Lac, WI disappear?
>
>Nope. The local cable uses it for the audio on one of its channels.
Intentionally?
James Goloboy
> As a result of this move, there
> are far more ``western W's'' than ``eastern K's'' -- in fact, there
> are exactly four of them: KYW, KDKA, KQV, and KTGG in Spring Arbor,
> Mich. The last was granted quite recently by clerical error.
How about KLSU in Baton Rouge? It's close to the Mississippi River, but
still east. WLSU was taken by the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse.
Jeff Kitsko
Same thing. The TV station was WKYC, now Cleveland 3, and I think they did the
same thing that KD did. Request the same calls for both radio and tv station.
Jason Hancock
>
> [3] It's possible that some of these stations may be licensed to Iowa
> but have transmitters in Illinois; the FCC has never been particularly
> clear on the issue.
I know that WLLR-FM 103.7 in Davenport and KUUL (FM) 101.3 in East
Moline are the result of a 1998 frequency swap of two stations with the
same owners that left the "W" on the Iowa side. None of the Iowa "W"
stations have towers in Illinois, but a few "K" stations do, and a few
of the Illinois "W" stations have towers in Iowa. On that same note,
two of the "K" FM stations in Dubuque have their transmitters in
Wisconsin.
--Jason <http://members.nbci.com/jhancoc>
(Home of the Iowa Highways Page & Freeway Junctions of the Heartland)
Mark Roberts
| Garrett Wollman wrote:
| >
| > [3] It's possible that some of these stations may be licensed to Iowa
| > but have transmitters in Illinois; the FCC has never been particularly
| > clear on the issue.
|
| I know that WLLR-FM 103.7 in Davenport and KUUL (FM) 101.3 in East
| Moline are the result of a 1998 frequency swap of two stations with the
| same owners that left the "W" on the Iowa side.
In the St. Louis area, the K/W boundary is pretty fuzzy. First of
all, what should determine K/W-ness is location of city of license
(not location of transmitter). The big St. Louis AMs -- KTRS, KJSL,
KMOX -- all have their transmitters in Illinois.
However, Doubleday Broadcasting sued the FCC which, in 1978, had
denied its application to use KWK-FM for its FM station at 106.5,
licensed to Granite City, Illinois. At the time, Doubleday owned KWK,
licensed to St. Louis, Missouri, at 1380. That three-letter call
has since disappeared, mainly due to Doubleday's machinations.
At some point, I believe it was 1982 but I never have been able to
find the precise date, Doubleday won the case and was able to put
the KWK-FM calls on its FM station, which had been calling itself
"Stereo WK" with calls WWWK(FM). In 1987, the station switched
back to W calls as WKBQ(FM).
I have documented much of KWK's pathetic history at:
<http://www.cosmos-monitor.com/hist/stl/kwk.html>
It includes SEVERAL back-and-forth K-to-W switches. It
may, in fact, hold the record for this.
Likewise, in 1979, Laclede Broadcasting, then-owner of KATZ(AM),
bought WOKZ-FM in Alton, Illinois, but could not call it KATZ-FM.
Instead, it used the calls WZEN(FM) until about 1984 or 1985 when,
perhaps emboldened by Doubleday's success, it began to use the
calls KATZ-FM.
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Mark Roberts | in elevators, stopped CTA trains, snarled traffic and knocked
San Francisco | the Chicago Bears game off the radio could have been worse."
| --Chicago Sun-Times, 10-9-2000
Scott Nuzum
Jeff Kitsko wrote in message
<20001029144704...@ng-md1.aol.com>...
>>So how does KYW in Philly fit in with this plan?
>
>Same thing. The TV station was WKYC, now Cleveland 3, and I think they did
the
>same thing that KD did. Request the same calls for both radio and tv
station.
KYW, I think was one of those "portable" radio stations that ended up
settling on the wrong side of the Mississippi River. WIBW in Topeka and WMBH
in Joplin are examples of "W" portables that ended up in "K" territory.
S.E.N.
The "IBW" in WIBW, according to our tour guide (a college class toured the
WIBW building in1993) originally stood for "Indiana Business Works."
Mark Roberts
|
| KYW, I think was one of those "portable" radio stations that ended up
| settling on the wrong side of the Mississippi River. WIBW in Topeka and WMBH
| in Joplin are examples of "W" portables that ended up in "K" territory.
KYW was originally founded in Chicago and was moved to Philadelphia
as part of one of several reallocations during the 1920s. WIBW was
a true portable, owned by C. L. Carrell of Chicago. The Frederal
Radio Commission in 1928 told portables either to find a city to
settle down in or to go out of business.
WBBZ in Ponca City, Oklahoma is another example of a portable
station that put down roots in that time period.
| The "IBW" in WIBW, according to our tour guide (a college class toured the
| WIBW building in1993) originally stood for "Indiana Business Works."
Too bad you were four years too late for the WREN building in
downtown Topeka with the giant concrete wren on its roof.
And WDAF meant "We Dig All Fatalities" when Charles Gray was
chasing every wreck and fire in sight (but the Sunday morning when
the Esther Williams Swimming Center caught fire at 62nd &
Troost with acrid chlorine-laden smoke coming into my townhouse was
the day I learned to appreciate Charles Gray's
fire-engine-chasing).