Vinnie Ferrari <vinnieferr...@unforgettable.com> wrote:
: Daniel Salomon <dsalo...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote: :> I have some other relevant issues with Princeton. They have signs posted :> in the downtown area that say "No Bicycles". It's unclear whether the :> sign refers to riding on the sidewalk (which is OK to ban), or a ban on :> bicycles on the road completely, which is absolutely ridiculous.
: Is it ridiculous when you enter a limited access highway and there's a sign : that says no pedestrians, bicycles or horses, as is the case in many places.
No, because there is an actual danger involved in having bicycles and pedestrians on such high-speed roads. I've asked this question here before without getting an answer, but I'll try again: Do horses still have the right to use all public roadways that aren't marked with "No horses" signs?
Bicycles should be encouraged in downtown areas, such as Princeton. There are plenty of nearby residential areas with quiet streets leading to the center of town, whch is an ideal setup for bicycles.
> / \ > / | \ > | > Hey, isn't that FRENCH??? (well, I guess its French CANADIAN...) :)
Speaking of France, do they have a nationwide expressway system there? (such as the Interstates(United States), Motorways(Great Britain), or Autobahns(Germany), etc) If so, what's it called?
>What other newspaper nicknames are out there? The Ithaca Urinal is, of >course, the Ithaca Journal. Champaign has the Daily Idiot or Daily >Illiterate (Daily Illini) and the News-Gazoo (News-Gazette).
The Fort Worth Startlegram (Star-Telegram) The Dallas Crimes-Herald (Times-Herald; nickname made semi-famous, if not coined, by Joe-Bob Briggs, a.k.a. former Times-Herald movie critic John Bloom) The Dallas Boring Snooze (Morning News) The Fairfax Gerbil (Journal, because it's such a cute little paper...)
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: > What other newspaper nicknames are out there? The Ithaca Urinal is, : of : > course, the Ithaca Journal. Champaign has the Daily Idiot or Daily : > Illiterate (Daily Illini) and the News-Gazoo (News-Gazette). : > -- : > David J. Greenberger
: The Kalamazoo (MI) Gas Jet (Gazette), and for the little town of : Coldwater, MI, there is the Daily Departed (Daily Reporter), so called : because everyone gets it to read the obituaries.
: I have a cousin in Jeffersonville, IN, who refers to the Evening News : as the Evening Snooze.
Up here we have the Marquette Whining Urinal (Mining Journal), the Daily Whining Gizzette (Mining Gazette), and the Michigan Tech Load of Sh*t (Michigan Tech Lode).
>Speaking of France, do they have a nationwide expressway system there? >(such as the Interstates(United States), Motorways(Great Britain), or >Autobahns(Germany), etc) If so, what's it called?
There they are called Autoroutes, just as they are in Quebec. They are all toll, except around Paris.
>What other newspaper nicknames are out there? The Ithaca Urinal is, of >course, the Ithaca Journal. Champaign has the Daily Idiot or Daily >Illiterate (Daily Illini) and the News-Gazoo (News-Gazette).
Rush Limbaugh has a name for the Atlanta paper. Doesn't he call it the "Urinal & Constipation?"
Myself, I call the Courier-Journal the "Curious Urinal" and I also call the Lexington Herald-Leader, variable, the "Herald-Misleader," "Geraldo-Misleader," or "Herald-Liberal."
I used to work at a weekly paper called The Beattyville Enterprise. We called it "The Surprise" because we were surprised if there was ever any news in it! ;-)
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> In article <81rt89$3e...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > famar...@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article <k8B%3.803$ih1.29...@weber.videotron.net>, > > "pauline groleau dumas" <stephdu...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > famartin a écrit dans le message
> > / \ > > / | \ > > | > > Hey, isn't that FRENCH??? (well, I guess its French CANADIAN...) :)
> Speaking of France, do they have a nationwide expressway system there? > (such as the Interstates(United States), Motorways(Great Britain), or > Autobahns(Germany), etc) If so, what's it called?
I am not sure what it is called, but France does have an extensive (and fast growing) system of motorways. Most of the routes of the system are leased to private contractors and operated as 'ticket' tollways.
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In article <81jo4v$6v...@grapevine.lcs.mit.edu>, woll...@lcs.mit.edu
(Garrett Wollman) wrote: > Lessee.... There's the Boston Glob.
Yep. I remember that one. "The Glob's here!"
> Before it got Murdoched, there was the Boston Horrid American.
And before that, there was the nickname for one of its two predecessors, the "Wretched-American" (_Record-American_, a Hearst paper as was the combined publication. Did the _Herald-Traveler_ have a nickname?)
> The New York or Washington Pest
Somebody has put out a parody called _The Washington Toast_ recently. Judging from its appearance and size (tabloid), this wasn't a well-financed effort along the lines of _Not the New York Times_ and the _Off the Wall Street Journal_.
> San Francisco Crocknicle
I thought they called it the "Comical."
I also STR a rather blistering letter Garrison Keillor wrote to the _St. Paul Dispatch and Pioneer Press_ (a short-lived moniker following the PM paper's demise; it's now simply the _Pioneer Press_ again) before leaving the Twin Cities in which he complained about the paper's reporting on his doings and called it the "St. Paul Gas and Minor Distress."
I understand all has since been forgiven, and he's back in St. Paul, albeit perhaps a bit humbler.
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> > famartin a écrit dans le message > > / \ > >/ | \ > > | > >Hey, isn't that FRENCH??? (well, I guess its French CANADIAN...) :)
> yup I'm French-Canadian, I leave in Québec, who have the baddest roads shape > even worst than AK or PA and the higher fuel gas prices
Hate to do this to you, but I did not know that Alaska (AK) was in the survey. I know, I know, I also always get those two mixed up. :-) -- Happy Holidays! Gene Janczynskyi in Cape Coral, FL ejjan...@eagle.fgcu.edu
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> Elmira Star-Regrette (Star-Gazette) > Corning Misleader (Leader) > Rochester Demogogue and Comical (Democrat and Chronicle)- a personal > Fave
Known locally as the D&C, which I find myself referring to as "the newspaper, not the medical procedure". ;-)
> Buffalo Snooze (News) too obvious > Cortland Slander (Standard)
> any others?
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Jeff Kitsko <jjkit...@aol.comNOI-99> wrote in article <19991129115832.08281.00002...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
> There they are called Autoroutes, just as they are in Quebec. They are all > toll, except around Paris.
And what's more, tolled like a king's ransom! I mean, $25 to get from Paris to Lille? get real! I have family friends in England that went for a Continental driving holiday, and ended up spending $250 on tolls in one week driving around France! Why they didn't take the N-roads (surface roads) after the first time they were hit for a toll, I dunno...
Gene Janczynskyi wrote in message <81v9ig$t1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>...
One other common error on the Internet is that .ca in a mail or web page address is Canada, not California. i.e.: http://www.gov.edmonton.ab.ca which is our home page.
>Hate to do this to you, but I did not know that Alaska (AK) was in the >survey. I know, I know, I also always get those two mixed up. :-) >-- >Happy Holidays! >Gene Janczynskyi >in Cape Coral, FL >ejjan...@eagle.fgcu.edu
<famar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:81tagm$1b2$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <81rt89$3e...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > famar...@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article <k8B%3.803$ih1.29...@weber.videotron.net>, > > "pauline groleau dumas" <stephdu...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > > famartin a écrit dans le message
> > / \ > > / | \ > > | > > Hey, isn't that FRENCH??? (well, I guess its French CANADIAN...) :)
> Speaking of France, do they have a nationwide expressway system there? > (such as the Interstates(United States), Motorways(Great Britain), or > Autobahns(Germany), etc) If so, what's it called?
The French Expressway/Tollway system is called the Autoroutes (autoroute à peage [tolled] or autoroute sans peage [without toll]) . All of the Autoroutes are built to European standards. The tolled autoroutes are owned by private corporations which are be regulated by the French government.
I have a map of French Autoroutes, and it appears that the French have not built as much as their German and Belgian neighbours, but one must remember that France is very dependent on its rail system (SNCF is considered to be the best in the world, I'll check if this is true in Spring), and that France is larger, and has less people than Germany which has the largest limited-access roadway system.
One thing I don't understand is why Charles de Gaulle did not build a system of Autoroutes under his remilitarisation plan during the 1960s. I thought that the German Autobahns and US Interstate Highway System were built under some military improvement plans.
There is an website that has details of the management in the A-routes somewhere in the http://roadlinks.cjb.net. I have not found any roadgeek run sites about the French A-routes, but I may try searching again soon.
I'll be in France this spring, so I'll try to catch pictures of the French A-route system.
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> Vinnie Ferrari <vinnieferr...@unforgettable.com> wrote: > : Daniel Salomon <dsalo...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote: > :> I have some other relevant issues with Princeton. They have signs posted > :> in the downtown area that say "No Bicycles". It's unclear whether the > :> sign refers to riding on the sidewalk (which is OK to ban), or a ban on > :> bicycles on the road completely, which is absolutely ridiculous.
> : Is it ridiculous when you enter a limited access highway and there's a sign > : that says no pedestrians, bicycles or horses, as is the case in many places.
> No, because there is an actual danger involved in having bicycles and > pedestrians on such high-speed roads. I've asked this question here > before without getting an answer, but I'll try again: Do horses still have > the right to use all public roadways that aren't marked with "No horses" > signs?
They sure do... in Yates County, NY and some other rural areas, it's actually COMMONPLACE to see horse-and-buggys on the road... It throws you for a loop the first time your tooling along 14A and you pass a horse-and-buggy with Amish people inside... then a little further up, you pass some Amish teenagers, fully dressed up, on their bicycles. A word of caution, though... do not honk your horn as you go by- it spooks the horses... and if you plan on stopping at the supermarket in Dundee... make sure your boots are on before you step out of the car. -- Happy Motoring
> Gene Janczynskyi wrote in message <81v9ig$t1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>...
> One other common error on the Internet is that .ca in a mail or web > page address is Canada, not California.
...unless it is immediately followed by .us, as in well.sf.ca.us (if I recall correctly, an early domain name for the WELL in San Francisco before most "independent" US sites went to the three-letter domains such as .org and .com).
Nowadays it seems most .us sites belong to institutions such as libraries, schools (.k12.ny.us for example) and local governments, per the rules that ISI has made for new names in the .us domain.
It would be amusing if ISI bent the rules a little and allowed people to register names in the "state" of "r" (thus having ".r.us" at the end), but a certain toy store would have a fit about that... ;-)
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On 30 Nov 1999 20:06:51 EST, Yuri Dieujuste <turi...@concentric.net> wrote:
>One thing I don't understand is why Charles de Gaulle did not build a system >of Autoroutes under his remilitarisation plan during the 1960s. I thought >that the German Autobahns and US Interstate Highway System were built under >some military improvement plans.
Well, the German Autobahns were created during the 1930s; I'm not sure if they had an explicit military purpose, but I seem to recall they were used for propoganda purposes ("Look at our great highways compared to the French and British dirt roads!"). America's interstates had an explicit military purpose (National Interstate Defense Highway System or some such).
And, somewhat off-topic, the British motorways were built because no British road had been built in a straight line since the Romans left, and because of that (and the high number of towns and villages along existing roads) it took eons to get anywhere... France, by contrast, at least had a decent highway system prior to the autoroutes (Michelin maps of France that were used by the Allies in 1944 are surprisingly similar to the 1999 variety... even the route numbering is virtually identical).
I'm not sure why France was a late bloomer; IIRC there was no motorway between Paris and Marseilles until the late 1980s. Of course, even to this day there is no limited access road between London and Glasgow (it's all 4-lane or better, but A74 in Scotland isn't limited access).
But I digress...
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Chris Lawrence <qua...@watervalley.net> wrote in article <%o%04.43792$oa2.318...@iad-read.news.verio.net>...
> And, somewhat off-topic, the British motorways were built because no > British road had been built in a straight line since the Romans left, > and because of that (and the high number of towns and villages along > existing roads) it took eons to get anywhere...
That's why everyone used rail in Britain to get from A to B.. even now, it's fairly popular, even if the railways are in a state of utter shambles.
> I'm not sure why France was a late bloomer; IIRC there was no motorway > between Paris and Marseilles until the late 1980s. Of course, even to > this day there is no limited access road between London and Glasgow > (it's all 4-lane or better, but A74 in Scotland isn't limited access).
the M1 and M6 provide full motorway standard from London to just past Carlisle. Then you have 6 miles of dual carriageway A-road, the A74.. then the A74 becomes motorway standard all the way to Glaslow as the A74(M). It's a situation similar to what occurs in NJ on I-95, but I believe without the traffic snarls.... the 6 miles of A74 still has interchanges and partially controlled access; building a motorway would save about 2 minutes off your average journey, if that. :-)
On 1 Dec 1999 03:04:41 GMT, Bradley Torr <bt...@bigpond.nospam.com> wrote:
>the M1 and M6 provide full motorway standard from London to just past >Carlisle. Then you have 6 miles of dual carriageway A-road, the A74.. then >the A74 becomes motorway standard all the way to Glaslow as the A74(M). >It's a situation similar to what occurs in NJ on I-95, but I believe >without the traffic snarls.... the 6 miles of A74 still has interchanges >and partially controlled access; building a motorway would save about 2 >minutes off your average journey, if that. :-)
Nice to see (hear?) that it's been upgraded; way back when (1990, I think was the last time I was through there) it was a good thirty miles of uncontrolled access. By then they'd repaired the section that got nailed by Pan Am 103, at least, but there was still cross-traffic.
(Will the M6 number be assigned all the way to Glasgow when/if it's done? I know the A6 ends at Carlisle...)
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Chris Lawrence <qua...@watervalley.net> wrote in article <2G114.43920$oa2.320...@iad-read.news.verio.net>...
> Nice to see (hear?) that it's been upgraded; way back when (1990, I > think was the last time I was through there) it was a good thirty > miles of uncontrolled access. By then they'd repaired the section > that got nailed by Pan Am 103, at least, but there was still > cross-traffic.
I didn't know the A74 was damaged at Lockerbie. Any details on how much it was damaged?
> (Will the M6 number be assigned all the way to Glasgow when/if it's > done? I know the A6 ends at Carlisle...)
That would be the most logical step... or just let it change over from M6 to M74 at the Scottish border or at Carlisle or at Gretna Green..... after all, when it passes Carlisle, it crosses 'zones' from Zone 6 to Zone 7... but motorways don't tend to be as pedantic as keeping their numbers as logical and well-defined as the motorways (I mean, look at M5.... it starts in Zone 3, traverses Zone 4 and ends in Zone 5.....)
On 1 Dec 1999 10:46:06 GMT, Bradley Torr <bt...@bigpond.nospam.com> wrote:
>I didn't know the A74 was damaged at Lockerbie. Any details on how much it >was damaged?
I believe part of the southbound carriageway was damaged, though not severely. Of course, the major damage from the crash was just east of the highway (where several homes were obliterated).
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Chris Lawrence wrote: > America's > interstates had an explicit military purpose (National Interstate > Defense Highway System or some such).
I wish people would quit passing this myth around.
The words "and Defense" weren't added to the 1956 bill until they were put in as an afterthought in conference committee (after both House and Senate had passed bills). During hearings, various military men had testified that national defense didn't have any special needs different from the rest of highway users.
It is doubtless true that Eisenhower's experience with the post-World War I cross-country convoy and his inspection of the autobahnen may have given him some personal interest in a national network of high-speed highways, but the idea was first developed by FDR and explored for two decades in popular magazine articles and exhibits such as Futurama at the 1939 World's Fair.
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:12:24 +0000, Dennis McClendon <dmcclen...@21stcentury.net> wrote: >Chris Lawrence wrote: >> America's >> interstates had an explicit military purpose (National Interstate >> Defense Highway System or some such).
>I wish people would quit passing this myth around.
>The words "and Defense" weren't added to the 1956 bill until they were >put in as an afterthought in conference committee (after both House and >Senate had passed bills). During hearings, various military men had >testified that national defense didn't have any special needs different >from the rest of highway users.
Of course, the military did (and does) have somewhat different needs from the civilian population, since many military installations are located away from major civilian population centers.
Anyway, the term explicit refers to the terminology (even if used dishonestly or disingenuously); it was certainly justified in terms of national and civil defense, much like the Internet was. Doubtless another intent was to provide good highways for every state in a nice, pork-barrel fashion; a third intent may have been the propoganda factor, much like Germany's autobahnen were used as a propoganda tool (though they also came in really handy for the blitzkrieg).
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<dmcclen...@21stcentury.net> wrote: > Chris Lawrence wrote: >> America's >> interstates had an explicit military purpose (National Interstate >> Defense Highway System or some such).
> I wish people would quit passing this myth around.
> The words "and Defense" weren't added to the 1956 bill until they were > put in as an afterthought in conference committee (after both House and > Senate had passed bills). During hearings, various military men had > testified that national defense didn't have any special needs different > from the rest of highway users.
> It is doubtless true that Eisenhower's experience with the post-World > War I cross-country convoy and his inspection of the autobahnen may have > given him some personal interest in a national network of high-speed > highways, but the idea was first developed by FDR and explored for two > decades in popular magazine articles and exhibits such as Futurama at > the 1939 World's Fair.
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