Ping Scott Nazelrod: US-70 in Hugo OK
Yakra
project. Re the post fwded from you via Tim:
"I was looking at one of the users' clinched highway pages that had
U.S. highways enabled and spotted an error. In Hugo, Oklahoma, there
is no Business US 70. US 70 mainline continues through downtown Hugo.
What you have labeled as mainline US 70 is really Bypass US 70. Just
wanted to clear that up"
Both the AASHTO logs and Okladot's County maps have vanilla US-70 on
the bypass, and a Business route going thru town. Unlike Three Dog
Night, I've never been to Oklahoma. Have you seen the signage in the
field? If all the signage in the field is uniformly as you described,
I'll change the files for the Highway Mapper.
Scott Nazelrod
Hm. Now that I've done some research into this, it seems like another
of example of ODOT shenanigans. Looking at their control section maps,
you are indeed right; the map shows US 70 Business through town and US
70 on the bypass. However, looking at the signage alone it's hard to
tell who's right: one sign on eastbound US 70 refers to the upcoming
exit the bypass as Bypass 70/271, and the next sign (at the actual
turnoff) simply says "East 70/South 271". However, the signage at the
end of this ramp for traffic exiting from the bypass appears to refer
to east and west vanilla US 70. I didn't recall seeing any Business US
70 signage at all in downtown Hugo. Then, on the east side of town,
where the east terminus of Business US 70 should be, the signage
(which I don't have a photo of) refers to the bypass as Bypass 70 once
again.
It's all a very odd situation, it appears.
US 71
goes around and eventually picks up 271, but it's sometimes posted as
By-Pass 70/ 271.
271 is supposed to go around Hugo, but its signage is ALSO inconsistent.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_71/2528172911/in/set-72157603909876274/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_71/2528172203/in/set-72157603909876274/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_71/2528171867/in/set-72157603909876274/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_71/2528979852/in/set-72157603909876274/
FWIW: Signage at Idabel is also inconsistent
Premier Bush
It's a lot like the Poteau bypass (which is Route 00 on the control section
maps) situation. Some signs show the bypass as mainline 59/271, some show
the bypass as BY-PASS 59, and the (few) signs through town are all for
mainline 59/271.
The Choctaw County control section map shows the bypasses as mainline 70/271
while the old roads through town are marked as 70B/271B.
Yakra
Thanks all, for the replies.
With the inconsistent signage, and at least some signage agreeing with
what's on the books, I've decided to leave the routes around Hugo as
they are:
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/us/sw/ok.us070.ggm.html
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/usban/sw/ok.us070bushug.ggm.html
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/us/sw/ok.us271.ggm.html
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/usban/sw/ok.us271bushug.ggm.html
Idabel and Poteau gave me headaches as well. This thread addresses
some of that:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/browse_thread/thread/f9a06cc65fe4087e
Idabel: I decided, with the inconsistent signage here, to go with the
designations as they're currently known to AASHTO. Thus yielding:
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/us/sw/ok.us070.ggm.html
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/usban/sw/ok.us070bypida.ggm.html
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/us/sw/ok.us259.ggm.html
Poteau: Hm. For some reason, I declared this to be a Business/Bypass
split, with no "vanilla". In my mind at least. =) (In such a scenario,
the conventions for the Clinched Highway Mapping project are to
include the Bypass as part of the mainline route, and the Business
loop as a separate route.) I can't even remember how I made this
decision - reviewing this thread and "Confusion in Poteau" from
2005-02-15, there doesn't seem to be any Business signage in town at
all. This is confirmed by a couyple offlist emails I received, and
some snaps David sent last year. Maybe, considering this, the bypass
not being recognized by AASHTO or even having a number, maybe I should
include the "Business" route in the mainline and make the Bypass a
separate file...
Here are the routes as they stand now in the Highway Browser:
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/us/sw/ok.us059.ggm.html
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/usban/sw/ok.us059buspot.ggm.html
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/us/sw/ok.us271.ggm.html
http://cmap.m-plex.com/int/usban/sw/ok.us271buspot.ggm.html
Aye yai yai...
Premier Bush
I drove through Poteau several months ago, and there are NO BUSINESS signs
anywhere in Poteau.
Froggie
>
> I drove through Poteau several months ago, and there are NO BUSINESS signs
> anywhere in Poteau.
I was in Poteau about 6 weeks ago while returning from summer camp.
Although the guide signage at the south end doesn't show it (showing
both 59 and 271 on the bypass), both reassurance shields and stand-
alone trailblazers consistently sign the bypass as BY-PASS US 59, and
the route through town as mainline 59 and 71.
Froggie | Picayune, MS | http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/
Premier Bush
>> On Aug 5, 8:49 pm, "Premier Bush" <watuziNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I drove through Poteau several months ago, and there are NO BUSINESS
>> signs anywhere in Poteau.
>
> I was in Poteau about 6 weeks ago while returning from summer camp.
> Although the guide signage at the south end doesn't show it (showing
> both 59 and 271 on the bypass), both reassurance shields and stand-
> alone trailblazers consistently sign the bypass as BY-PASS US 59, and
> the route through town as mainline 59 and 71.
Which has been the way it has been signed since it opened (271, not 71. At
least now: http://www.geocities.com/watuzi/ok1927.jpg )
US 71
"Froggie" <fro...@mississippi.net> wrote
I was in Poteau about 6 weeks ago while returning from summer camp.
Although the guide signage at the south end doesn't show it (showing
both 59 and 271 on the bypass), both reassurance shields and stand-
alone trailblazers consistently sign the bypass as BY-PASS US 59, and
the route through town as mainline 59 and 71.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_71/2281622575/in/set-72157603909876274/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_71/2475275034/in/set-72157603909876274/
US 71
"Premier Bush" <watuzi...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> Which has been the way it has been signed since it opened (271, not 71.
> At least now: http://www.geocities.com/watuzi/ok1927.jpg )
That must be an error, calling it 71.
Scott Nazelrod
> "Premier Bush" <watuziNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>
>
> > Which has been the way it has been signed since it opened (271, not 71.
> > At least now:http://www.geocities.com/watuzi/ok1927.jpg)
>
> That must be an error, calling it 71.
Well, that's the ODOT 1927 map. I think mainline 71 may have once
entered Oklahoma and was later replaced with 271...
Froggie
>
>
>
> > Which has been the way it has been signed since it opened (271, not 71.
> > At least now:http://www.geocities.com/watuzi/ok1927.jpg)
>
> That must be an error, calling it 71.
Yes, that was an error. I meant 271.
Premier Bush
Have you ever seen any other evidence other than that map? I've never seen
any Arkansas maps that show 71 following modern 59.
US 71
"Premier Bush" <watuzi...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> Have you ever seen any other evidence other than that map? I've never
> seen any Arkansas maps that show 71 following modern 59.
I have a 1926 map, that shows 71 roughly following its current alignment in
Arkansas.
The biggest difference is it once followed what's now AR 102 to Centerton,
then north to modern 72, then west to Gravette & Ar 59.
There's a different alignment in Fayetteville as well as Greenwood and Mena.
But it has never crossed into Oklahoma .