Roadtrip: US 23 from Ashland, to Prestonsburg
Sherman C.
and fishing. I took US 23 the whole route:
* Some BGS's need to be installed from US 23 in Raceland to US 23 in
Ashland. The tiny signs they install are small to read going 55mph.
* The road needs to be widened to 3 lanes in each direction from SR 693
to SR 168. I will try my hand at a map that tells the story here soon.
* I love the McDonald's/Sunoco combination in Louisa. A very nice gas
station.
* BGS need to be installed from I-64 south to SR 645. Tiny signs don't
work very well going 65mph.
* What is the purpose of SR 645 and SR 3 (4 lane portion)? It doesn't
seem to have much purpose.
* Saw some BGS on US 23 in Paintsville and quite a few near
Prestonsburg.
On the way back up to Ashland, I decided to go past my home and onto
Portsmouth.
* BGS at the intersection of US 23 and AA Hwy. in place. Very nice.
Now, just get rid of the deadly dip and hump in the intersection and we
can have less facalities. (I almost flipped here going 55 mph, even
though the sign said for speeds no bigger than 35 mph.) A accident
occured here that claimed 2 lives because of the dip.
* BGS needs to be installed at SR 7 and US 23, and at US 23 and SR 8.
* Road shoulders need to be paved instead of gravel so that they will
last longer. I find that the little strip of paved shoulder (just for
the rumble strips) on US 23 tends to break and cumble after a while,
and it would be served better with a paved shoulder.
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Before you buy.
H.B. Elkins
>* I love the McDonald's/Sunoco combination in Louisa. A very nice gas
>station.
There was a big writeup on that gas station in the Lexington paper
back before Christmas. Apparently the place has become a major
tourist stop. It's called the Pavilion but it's not spelled that way
-- an odd spelling for "pavilion" that I can't remember.
>* What is the purpose of SR 645 and SR 3 (4 lane portion)? It doesn't
>seem to have much purpose.
IIRC, KY 3 and KY 645 were built with coal severance tax funds
(resource recovery roads) to better get coal out of Martin County.
Before US 23 was four-laned between Paintsville and Prestonsburg, this
route also served as a truck bypass of Paintsville. One of the bridges
on old US 23 (now KY 321) had a lowered weight limit at one time and
this route (or KY 114 west to US 460 east) was the preferred detour
route.
>* BGS at the intersection of US 23 and AA Hwy. in place. Very nice.
>Now, just get rid of the deadly dip and hump in the intersection and we
>can have less facalities. (I almost flipped here going 55 mph, even
>though the sign said for speeds no bigger than 35 mph.) A accident
>occured here that claimed 2 lives because of the dip.
The BGS'es were installed all along the AA Highway a few years ago as
a safety measure, primarily because of the many fatalities between
Maysville-Brooksville and the northern Kentucky metro area.
I've never noticed a hazardous dip or hump in the 23-10 intersection,
and I've been thru there many times.
>* BGS needs to be installed at SR 7 and US 23, and at US 23 and SR 8.
I'd say that so little traffic is handled by the 23-7 intersection
that a BGS in unnecessary. Perhaps new signage will be installed at
the 23-8 junction once the replacement bridge for the Grant Bridge to
Portsmouth is built.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
H.B. Elkins mailto:hbel...@mis.net
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"Nobody promised you it'd be easy, nor even fair." -- Lemmy Kilmister
Earnhardt, D. Waltrip, Kentucky, Anybody but North Carolina
To reply, you gotta do what NASCAR won't -- remove the restrictor plates!
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Sherman C.
> >* I love the McDonald's/Sunoco combination in Louisa. A very nice gas
> >station.
>
> There was a big writeup on that gas station in the Lexington paper
> back before Christmas. Apparently the place has become a major
> tourist stop. It's called the Pavilion but it's not spelled that way
> -- an odd spelling for "pavilion" that I can't remember.
I think that there is a Pizza Hut there too now.
Poor Hardee's, all by its lonesome self across the highway. I wonder
how it survives the Mc D's right accross the highway.
> >* What is the purpose of SR 645 and SR 3 (4 lane portion)? It doesn't
> >seem to have much purpose.
>
> IIRC, KY 3 and KY 645 were built with coal severance tax funds
> (resource recovery roads) to better get coal out of Martin County.
> Before US 23 was four-laned between Paintsville and Prestonsburg, this
> route also served as a truck bypass of Paintsville. One of the bridges
> on old US 23 (now KY 321) had a lowered weight limit at one time and
> this route (or KY 114 west to US 460 east) was the preferred detour
> route.
I never knew the purpose of this road until now. Thanks
Why isn't it 4-laned at it's southern end? It's 2 lane.
> >* BGS at the intersection of US 23 and AA Hwy. in place. Very nice.
> >Now, just get rid of the deadly dip and hump in the intersection and
we
> >can have less facalities. (I almost flipped here going 55 mph, even
> >though the sign said for speeds no bigger than 35 mph.) A accident
> >occured here that claimed 2 lives because of the dip.
>
> The BGS'es were installed all along the AA Highway a few years ago as
> a safety measure, primarily because of the many fatalities between
> Maysville-Brooksville and the northern Kentucky metro area.
>
> I've never noticed a hazardous dip or hump in the 23-10 intersection,
> and I've been thru there many times.
It's in the middle. You won't notice it going on US 23, but going from
the Jesse Stuart Bridge to the AA Hwy you will notice it. Turning from
US 23 to the AA Hwy, you really won't notice it that much.
> >* BGS needs to be installed at SR 7 and US 23, and at US 23 and SR 8.
>
> I'd say that so little traffic is handled by the 23-7 intersection
> that a BGS in unnecessary. Perhaps new signage will be installed at
> the 23-8 junction once the replacement bridge for the Grant Bridge to
> Portsmouth is built.
The signage is poor in the Portsmouth area, with cluttered signage. BGS
need to be installed here when the new bridge is built.
At the 23-7 intersection, BGS needs to be installed here, because going
55 mph, it's hard to see the tiny numbers.
They don't have to add any advance signage either. (eg. SR 7, South
Shore, 1 Mile). Just maybe a JCT on one BGS and a arrow sign on the
other BGS.
--
john cline ii
"H.B. Elkins" wrote in part:
> Sherman C. wrote:
>
> >* I love the McDonald's/Sunoco combination in Louisa. A very nice
gas
> >station.
>
> There was a big writeup on that gas station in the Lexington paper
> back before Christmas. Apparently the place has become a major
> tourist stop. It's called the Pavilion but it's not spelled that way
> -- an odd spelling for "pavilion" that I can't remember.
Well, it is an Exxon station now. Has been for a couple of months.
And the Sunoco in Westmoreland, WV about 25 miles away is a BP now.
Seems Sunoco is slowly pulling out of this area....
nice.
john cline ii who loves that gasoline station and considers it quite
an architectural wonder!
john cline ii
"Sherman C." wrote in part:
>
> > >* I love the McDonald's/Sunoco combination in Louisa. A very nice
gas
> > >station.
> >
> > There was a big writeup on that gas station in the Lexington paper
> > back before Christmas. Apparently the place has become a major
> > tourist stop. It's called the Pavilion but it's not spelled that
way
> > -- an odd spelling for "pavilion" that I can't remember.
>
> Poor Hardee's, all by its lonesome self across the highway. I wonder
> how it survives the Mc D's right accross the highway.
The Hardees does VERY well, especially at breakfast. Hardees does a
LOT better in rural areas. Small towns that could never support a
full size Mickey D's often do support a Hardees. Course now that CKE
owns Hardees and is sneaking Carls, Jr and the star in the back door,
it is anybody's guess what will happen to Hardees... They attempted
some conversions of Hardees to Carls, Jr early on, and the customers
walked OUT the door!
john cline ii who liked the OLD Hardees burgers a LOT better than
anything at Carls, Jr, thank you.....
SP Cook
john cline ii <jwciit...@earthlink.net> wrote in message >
> "Sherman C." wrote in part:
> > Poor Hardee's, all by its lonesome self across the highway. I wonder
> > how it survives the Mc D's right accross the highway.
>
> The Hardees does VERY well, especially at breakfast. Hardees does a
> LOT better in rural areas. Small towns that could never support a
> full size Mickey D's often do support a Hardees. Course now that CKE
> owns Hardees and is sneaking Carls, Jr and the star in the back door,
> it is anybody's guess what will happen to Hardees... >
The Hardee's conversions are in full swing here. Lots of coupons and they
are keeping the same breakfast. IMHO, anywhere Hardee's does business you
walk-in between 7-10:30 in the morning and the local old folks will be
there. Its old folks fast food. Don't know why, but it is. Hardee's does
really well in small towns and away from thru highways.
This actually happened to a lady at work. She stopped at her local Hardee's
every day on the way to work. She drives a pick-up. The "conversion team"
was there one day, changing the look over to the new "happy star" theme.
They gave her a set of table and chairs. Anybody who wanted anything could
just take it, signs, furnature, pictures, whatever. By the next day, it was
the new Carls Jr replica.
SP Cook
H.B. Elkins
>I never knew the purpose of this road until now. Thanks
>Why isn't it 4-laned at it's southern end? It's 2 lane.
It's along story.
The original route of the four-lane KY 3 ended at US 23/460 (now KY
321). KY 3 turned left, was multiplexed with US 23/460 for a very
short distance, and turned left again into the entrance to Jenny Wiley
State Park. KY 3 then ran along the shore of Dewey Lake. It used to
end at KY 1428 (a very old alignment of US 23) but when the new KY 80
was built back in the early 1980s, a two-lane connector was built from
US 23/460/KY 80 at Watergap to KY 1428. KY 3 was signed along that
route.
The existing four-lane US 23/460 between Paintsville and Prestonsburg
was built in two stages. The first stage was built between KY 114 and
KY 1428/KY 825 in Johnson County. A connector route was built to cross
the Big Sandy River. Since the four-lane did not go all the way to
Paintsville, US 23/460 were routed onto the connector route and
eventually to the old alignment (now KY 321) near the hospital there.
The four-lane highway continued north as KY 1428 to the point where
the route ended near KY 825.
When the route was finished (including the US 460/KY 40 interchange
west of Paintsville), the US highways were signed on the four-lane.
The connector route got the KY 3 designation. Old KY 3 from Watergap
was designated KY 302.
US 23 is on its third alignment between Paintsville and Prestonsburg.
Originally the route followed what is now KY 1428 (and much of the
current alignment) along the west side of the Big Sandy River. In the
early 1960s, about the same time the Mountain Parkway was built, a new
US 23 was built on the east side of the river. This highway is what is
now numbered KY 321. When the new US 23 was built back in the late 80s
and early 90s, much of it was built parallel to the first alignment of
the highway, which had been renumbered KY 1428.
Sherman C.
> > >* I love the McDonald's/Sunoco combination in Louisa. A very nice
> gas
> > >station.
> >
> > There was a big writeup on that gas station in the Lexington paper
> > back before Christmas. Apparently the place has become a major
> > tourist stop. It's called the Pavilion but it's not spelled that way
> > -- an odd spelling for "pavilion" that I can't remember.
>
> And the Sunoco in Westmoreland, WV about 25 miles away is a BP now.
> Seems Sunoco is slowly pulling out of this area....
> nice.
>
> john cline ii who loves that gasoline station and considers it quite
> an architectural wonder!
You should see the abandoned Sunoco gas station in South Point Ohio!
The SUNOCO sign still looks new, but why hasn't the state torn it down
yet?
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> You should see the abandoned Sunoco gas station in South Point Ohio!
> The SUNOCO sign still looks new, but why hasn't the state torn it down
> yet?
Isn't that what makes for fun roadtripping? Love it while it stays...
john cline ii
adma wrote:
The sign, yes. The station, which Sherman C. was referring to, looks
absolutely decrepit and terrible....
john cline ii who likes to eat at Sara Nay's at the Grandview Inn
across the street from said station. Excellent buffet, reasonably
priced...try the bourbon bread pudding!
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> adma wrote:
>
> "Sherman C." wrote:
> >
> > > You should see the abandoned Sunoco gas station in South Point
> Ohio!
> > > The SUNOCO sign still looks new, but why hasn't the state torn it
> down
> > > yet?
> >
> > Isn't that what makes for fun roadtripping? Love it while it
> stays...
>
> The sign, yes. The station, which Sherman C. was referring to, looks
> absolutely decrepit and terrible....
Isn't that what makes for fun roadtripping? If you can't love it, at
least appreciate it while it
stays...
(Remember. Hardcore ex-US route buffs and their ilk really go wild for
ruinous road culture.)
David Norris
>
>> > >* I love the McDonald's/Sunoco combination in Louisa. A very nice
>> gas
>> > >station.
>> >
>> > There was a big writeup on that gas station in the Lexington paper
>> > back before Christmas. Apparently the place has become a major
>> > tourist stop. It's called the Pavilion but it's not spelled that way
>> > -- an odd spelling for "pavilion" that I can't remember.
>>
>> Well, it is an Exxon station now. Has been for a couple of months.
>> And the Sunoco in Westmoreland, WV about 25 miles away is a BP now.
>> Seems Sunoco is slowly pulling out of this area....
>> nice.
>>
>> john cline ii who loves that gasoline station and considers it quite
>> an architectural wonder!
>
>You should see the abandoned Sunoco gas station in South Point Ohio!
>The SUNOCO sign still looks new, but why hasn't the state torn it down
>yet?
Why should the state tear down a private sign, on private property?
BTW, we will be constructing 2 left turn lanes on US 52 and upgrading
the traffic signal at this intersection someday..
Dave Norris
Lucasville, OH
Sandor G
> john cline ii wrote:
>
> > adma wrote:
> >
> > "Sherman C." wrote:
> > >
> > Ohio!
> > > > The SUNOCO sign still looks new, but why hasn't the state torn it
> > down
> > > > yet?
> > >
> > stays...
> >
> > The sign, yes. The station, which Sherman C. was referring to, looks
> > absolutely decrepit and terrible....
>
> Isn't that what makes for fun roadtripping? If you can't love it, at
> least appreciate it while it
> stays...
>
> (Remember. Hardcore ex-US route buffs and their ilk really go wild for
> ruinous road culture.)
Yeah, all one of them.
--
Sandor G
"I'm not from here" - President of the OSU Geography Club
"I Just live here." - Middle of Nowhere, Ohio
-- James McMurtry
"Rocks are my pillow
The cold ground my bed
Highway is my home" -- Magic Slim
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> <ad...@interlog.com> wrote in message news:3978D970...@interlog.com...
> > john cline ii wrote:
> >
> > > adma wrote:
> > >
> > > "Sherman C." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You should see the abandoned Sunoco gas station in South Point
> > > Ohio!
> > > > > The SUNOCO sign still looks new, but why hasn't the state torn it
> > > down
> > > > > yet?
> > > >
> > > > Isn't that what makes for fun roadtripping? Love it while it
> > > stays...
> > >
> > > The sign, yes. The station, which Sherman C. was referring to, looks
> > > absolutely decrepit and terrible....
> >
> > Isn't that what makes for fun roadtripping? If you can't love it, at
> > least appreciate it while it
> > stays...
> >
> > (Remember. Hardcore ex-US route buffs and their ilk really go wild for
> > ruinous road culture.)
>
> Yeah, all one of them.
Well, I'd be a party of one in an environment dominated by conservative
aesthetes, that's for sure;-)
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[another cue for me to invoke the kind of mentality I love to rebel against]
July 18, 2000
An artistic triumph for common sense
Legislation has been introduced to restore the McMichael Gallery to its original
mandate
By PETER WORTHINGTON
Toronto Sun
Now that the Ontario government has introduced legislation to
restore Kleinburg's McMichael Gallery to its original mandate, the arts
establishment - elitists and faithful echoes - are outraged.
Indignation is as predictable as it is ill-founded.
Basically, all that's happening is that the 1989 legislation by the
Liberal government of David Peterson is being revoked - legislation
that violated the terms under which Bob and Signe McMichael gave their invaluable
collection of paintings by Tom Thomson and the Group of Seven to the province.
About time, say I, speaking as an art connoisseur as well one interested in basic
justice and fairness.
In 1989, the Peterson government gave the McMichael board of directors control
over acquisitions which, in effect, made the directors all-powerful. The gallery
went
into decline.
Acquisitions shifted to "contemporary" art. Public support dropped, costs rose.
Those
upset at recent changes forget that for 11 years the gallery has been run the way
artsy types wanted. And they've screwed it up.
What sparked the Ontario government to step in was that the gallery was on the
brink of bankruptcy. Its shortfall was variously given as $100,000, then
$400,000, then
$700,000 and, finally, $1.5 million after a provincial audit.
But costly, inefficient management isn't what has the arts establishment upset -
the
think-alikes who want galleries reflecting the avant garde, modern and obscure in
art.
What they can't abide is losing the battle to impose their artistic prejudices on
the
McMichael, which its founders intended as a shrine to the Group of Seven and
others
of their genre.
Extremism and mistruths are the currency of the foes of change. Geoffrey James,
identified by the Globe and Mail as former head of the visual arts division of
the
Canada Council, suggests the new legislation for the McMichael is reminiscent of
the "cultural heritage ... of Josef Stalin."
That's more silly than sinister.
Others accuse Premier Mike Harris of playing art critic; of bureaucrats defining
public
taste. More nonsense. All the legislation does is right a wrong - as four of the
five
still-living individuals who signed the 1965 agreement attest. The artsy crowd
prefers
untitled stuff that requires "experts" to interpret for the public. Supposedly,
some 3,000
of the 6,000 works acquired by the gallery are now to be dumped as mediocre or
inappropriate.
As an aside, one hopes the Babylon atrocity at the McMichael gallery will be
scrapped - large, rusting iron letters spelling "Babylon" for which the gallery
gave a
$150,000 tax receipt (which means the people of Ontario paid for it in lost tax
revenue).
People like Geoffrey James think dumping could wipe out "an already fragile
resale
market for contemporary art." Surely, this tells you something about contemporary
art. How can you flood the market with good art? Would Van Gogh or the
Impressionists not find a home if the Louvre decided to dump them?
In fact, art banks (Canada Council) are being disbanded. Most people don't like
the modern stuff - won't buy or rent it. Mostly it's galleries that acquire avant
garde
art. Go to the AGO and see how empty their contemporary galleries are.
Contrary to recent slanders, Bob McMichael - crusty and peevish as he might be -
has not made buckets of money from his donation. He initially got no tax credit
and
worked for nothing. Yes, he acquired native art - but historic, original stuff,
not
modern native art work imitating an irretrievable past. Today, some 40% of Inuit
are
identified as "artists." Handicrafts, I'd say.
What's often overlooked is that virtually all the great art collections of the
world are
the obsession of one individual - not committees or curators. Bob McMichael fits
that
category, with works by Tom Thomson, the Group of Seven and their school of
Canadian impressionism which the new legislation seeks to restore, or encourage.
This doesn't preclude temporary exhibits at the McMichael which in recent years
have been so-so. A planned hockey art show has been dropped; the present
Ding-Ho exhibit excites little interest.
How about a retrospective of works by Ken Danby, or the Wyeth family - N.C.,
Andrew and Jamie? Or Norman Rockwell, Ray Ching, or quality wildlife by Bob
Bateman, board member and activist George Mclean, Ken Buhn, Bob Kuhn and
proven revenue producers?
Art isn't just about esthetics and culture, it's a business as well.
For those who prefer the avant-garde, there is always the AGO and Power Plant.
Still, art elitists feel threatened. Once it becomes clear what people prefer,
the
cultural fraud perpetrated by the arts establishment will be exposed, their
influence
diminished, their source of revenue curtailed.
That's the key issue at stake. The McMichael constitutes a rare defeat for the
avant-gardistes, hence their anguish. Despite claims, it's hardly a victory for
Stalinist
culture. Just the opposite, in fact.
rvdroz
> > > The sign, yes. The station, which Sherman C. was referring to, looks
> > > absolutely decrepit and terrible....
> >
> > Isn't that what makes for fun roadtripping? If you can't love it, at
> > least appreciate it while it
> > stays...
> >
> > (Remember. Hardcore ex-US route buffs and their ilk really go wild for
> > ruinous road culture.)
>
> Yeah, all one of them.
You mean I'm alone in thinking that rust has a character that shiny new steel doesn't?
That there is something worthwhile in a old neon sign that plastic can never hope to match?
If I am alone, I don't mind getting the chance to look at the scenery.
You can have my space on the interstate.
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> Sandor G wrote:
>
> > > > The sign, yes. The station, which Sherman C. was referring to, looks
> > > > absolutely decrepit and terrible....
> > >
> > > Isn't that what makes for fun roadtripping? If you can't love it, at
> > > least appreciate it while it
> > > stays...
> > >
> > > (Remember. Hardcore ex-US route buffs and their ilk really go wild for
> > > ruinous road culture.)
> >
> > Yeah, all one of them.
>
> You mean I'm alone in thinking that rust has a character that shiny new steel doesn't?
> That there is something worthwhile in a old neon sign that plastic can never hope to match?
> If I am alone, I don't mind getting the chance to look at the scenery.
> You can have my space on the interstate.
Thanx.
Remember; one of the thrills for those most hackneyed of roadgeek creatures, the Route 66
pilgrims, is *exactly* those vestiges of "ruinous road culture", the detritus left behind when
the road was bypassed and decommissioned. Whether they be poignant dead motels, or dead gas
stations, or even that fascination of many within this NG, mysterious dead stretches of
highway...
rvdroz
> Remember; one of the thrills for those most hackneyed of roadgeek creatures, the Route 66
> pilgrims, is *exactly* those vestiges of "ruinous road culture", the detritus left behind when
> the road was bypassed and decommissioned. Whether they be poignant dead motels, or dead gas stations, or even that fascination of many within this
> NG, mysterious dead stretches of
> highway...
And you don't have to go to a museum to look a them, either.
ad...@interlog.com
> ad...@interlog.com wrote:
>
> > Remember; one of the thrills for those most hackneyed of roadgeek creatures, the Route 66
> > pilgrims, is *exactly* those vestiges of "ruinous road culture", the detritus left behind when
> > the road was bypassed and decommissioned. Whether they be poignant dead motels, or dead gas stations, or even that fascination of many within this
> > NG, mysterious dead stretches of
> > highway...
>
> And you don't have to go to a museum to look a them, either.
Nor do you have to "gentrify" them to make them palatable.
(But speaking more literally of "palatable", a caveat: doesn't mean you have to *patronize* them, either. Why risk salmonella poisoning in a seedy
diner that just happens to be "original"...)
Jon Morse
>> (Remember. Hardcore ex-US route buffs and their ilk really go wild for
>> ruinous road culture.)
>
>Yeah, all one of them.
There's at least four of us on this newsgroup, not to mention your various
Lincoln Highway Association and Route 66 types.
Jon Morse
Herndon, VA
via lots of much larger places
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Busted.;-)
Sandor G
I've been a LHA member for two years. I've probably seen more run-down
areas
than you have, Adma.
It's just the rest of us don't revel in the visions of the underbelly of
life on any scale similar to you.
So love me, love me, love me, cause I'm a liberal --Phil Ochs
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> <ad...@interlog.com> wrote in message news:397CC249...@interlog.com...
> > Jon Morse wrote:
> > > Sandor G wrote:
> > > >> (Remember. Hardcore ex-US route buffs and their ilk really go wild
> for
> > > >> ruinous road culture.)
> > > >Yeah, all one of them.
> > > There's at least four of us on this newsgroup, not to mention your
> various
> > > Lincoln Highway Association and Route 66 types.
> > > Jon Morse
> > > Herndon, VA
> > > via lots of much larger places
> > Busted.;-)
> Busted?!
> I've been a LHA member for two years. I've probably seen more run-down
> areas
> than you have, Adma.
> It's just the rest of us don't revel in the visions of the underbelly of
> life on any scale similar to you.
Well, so I'd rather press the boundary than settle into a bourgeois,
middlebrow, blinkered and tight-sphinctered averageness. Which seems to be how
you're framing "the rest of us".
And remember; even if I'm an extreme case, you remain busted. More than one.
Maybe I'm at the leftfieldiest edge, but more than one. Gotcha there.
Besides, the LHA could (and probably already does) stand a few more like
myself--it's healthier and less stodgy that way.
> So love me, love me, love me, cause I'm a liberal --Phil Ochs
...but an aesthetic conservative. Keep in mind, as a caveat, that long article
I posted earlier in this thread...
Sandor G
Gotta me what?!?
There is no one else here like you.
> Besides, the LHA could (and probably already does) stand a few more like
> myself--it's healthier and less stodgy that way.
>
> > So love me, love me, love me, cause I'm a liberal --Phil Ochs
>
> ...but an aesthetic conservative. Keep in mind, as a caveat, that long
article
> I posted earlier in this thread...
Yeah, so?!?
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> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:52:47 -0400, in misc.transport.road
> "Sandor G" <bt...@bright.net> wrote in
> <WFqf5.3480$sl.4...@cletus.bright.net>:
>
> ><ad...@interlog.com> wrote in message news:397CDF45...@interlog.com...
> >> Sandor G wrote:
>
> >>
> >> ...but an aesthetic conservative. Keep in mind, as a caveat, that long
> >article
> >> I posted earlier in this thread...
> >
> >Yeah, so?!?
>
> He'll repost it again.
Okay.
David Jensen
David Jensen
ad...@interlog.com wrote in <397E608A...@interlog.com>:
I think I've only seen you post it six times, have I missed any?
>An artistic triumph for common sense
>
>Legislation has been introduced to restore the McMichael Gallery to its original
>
>mandate
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>By PETER WORTHINGTON
>Toronto Sun
>
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ad...@interlog.com
> <ad...@interlog.com> wrote in message news:397CDF45...@interlog.com...
> > Sandor G wrote:
> >
> > > <ad...@interlog.com> wrote in message
So? Is that bad? If that is, it's part of the problem with this forum--and
besides, why shouldn't it have a left-field standard-bearer? And there are
those who are *open* to that point of view--even those who I've previously
disagreed with. Like Jon Morse, who you've quoted above--his response
implicitly shows that he can see my point about the draw of "ruinous road
culture", even if he doesn't "revel in it" quite like I do.
Don't draw things in such stiff terms. And it's meaningless to use the "LHA
member" defense--after all, there are members in good standing of architectural
conservancies who still go white in the face at the notion of 50s Googie as
"historic". And I reserve the right to find *them* stifling, as well.
> > Besides, the LHA could (and probably already does) stand a few more like
> > myself--it's healthier and less stodgy that way.
> >
> > > So love me, love me, love me, cause I'm a liberal --Phil Ochs
> >
> > ...but an aesthetic conservative. Keep in mind, as a caveat, that long
> article
> > I posted earlier in this thread...
>
> Yeah, so?!?
Oy vey, now the "I'm all right, Jack" defense...
Ah, these conservative liberals. Just like them folkies who went bonkers when
Dylan went electric...
ad...@interlog.com
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:52:42 -0400, in misc.transport.road
> ad...@interlog.com wrote in <397E608A...@interlog.com>:
>
> I think I've only seen you post it six times, have I missed any?
>
> >An artistic triumph for common sense
> >
> >Legislation has been introduced to restore the McMichael Gallery to its original
> >
> >mandate
> >
> >By PETER WORTHINGTON
> >Toronto Sun
> >
> ...........
This particular one I've only posted twice. But I've posted others like it.
And it *does* remind me of the mentalities I find in here. Love to twist that
sword...