NJ-42 exit numbering..?
josef
http://www.njfreeways.com/NJNJ-42NSFExits.html infact shows exit numbers,
but greyed out.. and i never actually noticed numbers, so did they finally
put some in? o.O! there are also cool new milesign posts fior 42 and i76,
i676, and i295 (picture of route shield, direction, and mile all on them)..
when did all this happen? o_O
joe
Steve
Gray numbers are not actual.
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The material in gray on the signs on Raymond Martin's site is
information not posted on the actual signs. No, the interchanges on NJ
42 remain unnumbered.
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>The material in gray on the signs on Raymond Martin's site is
>information not posted on the actual signs. No, the interchanges on NJ
>42 remain unnumbered.
Incorrect. The interchanges now have mileage based exit numbers. I saw this
myself today. I don't know when this was done, but it was within the last 45
days.
- Mike
Jeff
Most of them were actually done within the past 7 days! I had noticed
that they signed Exits 14 and 13 (Creek Rd and Rt. 55) about a month
ago. The rest of the roadway seems to have been resigned only within
the past week.
Note - there is no Exit # (Yet) for the AC Expressway, but should
techincally have one, since it's not a continuation of Rt. 42.
Also, don't know why they just couldn't sign 10B and 10A Exits 10 and
9, and forget the letter. I know - the milepost issue. But when it
comes down to it, and they have the numbers available, they can
sidestep the rule within reason. I think it may have something to do
with the NB exits, as one of them may be 9, and the route doesn't
match up with the SB exit. (For those not familiar with Rt. 42, most
of the exit/entrance ramps are unidirectional. Meaning - they don't
allow you to get off the exit, and get right back on in the same
direction you were originally going.)
Jeff
Raymond C Martin Jr
I will investigate this myself in a few hours... I wonder if someone
from NJDOT was looking around my site and decided it was a good
idea... ;-)
====
Raymond C Martin Jr
http://www.njfreeways.com/
Eagles Fan On I-175
Personally, I think I-76 should be extended along the current NJ
42/ACE routing into Atlantic City. This would also allow for NJ 55 to
become something like I-776 (I-176 is in Reading, I-376 and I-576 are
in Pittsburgh; far from New Jersey, but still only one state away)
since it is already up to Interstate standards. Of course, the ACE
would have to have the Westbound lanes widened to three, not two, to
match the Eastbound side's three. Then, of course, there would have
to (finally) be a connection to the NJTP (Exit 2A) to alleviate
traffic off of NJ 168/Exit 3 in Bellmawr/Runnemede. that would create
less confusion at the I-295/I-76/NJ 42 junction of which road is which
(no reassurance signs until a mile in on I-295, and where are they on
I-76...Philly?). I STILL never understood why they never made it down
the shore, but hopefully I'll see it one day.
Eagles Fan On I-175
josef
: 42/ACE routing into Atlantic City. This would also allow for NJ 55 to
: become something like I-776 (I-176 is in Reading, I-376 and I-576 are
: in Pittsburgh; far from New Jersey, but still only one state away)
: since it is already up to Interstate standards. Of course, the ACE
: would have to have the Westbound lanes widened to three, not two, to
: match the Eastbound side's three. Then, of course, there would have
: to (finally) be a connection to the NJTP (Exit 2A) to alleviate
: traffic off of NJ 168/Exit 3 in Bellmawr/Runnemede. that would create
: less confusion at the I-295/I-76/NJ 42 junction of which road is which
: (no reassurance signs until a mile in on I-295, and where are they on
: I-76...Philly?). I STILL never understood why they never made it down
: the shore, but hopefully I'll see it one day.
they should. what would traffic be like on 42/76 if there was a turnpike
entrance though? you know how that area already has about 6 lines in each
direction, and it still gets congested.. i wonder what it would be like with
turnpike traffic too x.x but yes, agreed. i always wondered why nj168 had
the turnpike entrance and not nj42, when 42 seems to be like, the nexus of
suburban south jersey travel. (of course 42 wasnt there when the turnpike
was routed right? so if they built an exit for 42 where would the turnpike
entrance be? between the county route 544 exit in deptford and the creek
road exit? hm.. technically it overpasses it there now right? so what
wouldthey have to do to make an entrance?
joe
Raymond C Martin Jr
> fitchh...@aol.com (Fitch Hottie 21) wrote in message news:<20031014020202...@mb-m14.aol.com>...
> > Exile on Market Street wrote -
> >
> > >The material in gray on the signs on Raymond Martin's site is
> > >information not posted on the actual signs. No, the interchanges on NJ
> > >42 remain unnumbered.
> >
> >
> > Incorrect. The interchanges now have mileage based exit numbers. I saw this
> > myself today. I don't know when this was done, but it was within the last 45
> > days.
> >
> > - Mike
>
> Most of them were actually done within the past 7 days! I had noticed
> that they signed Exits 14 and 13 (Creek Rd and Rt. 55) about a month
> ago. The rest of the roadway seems to have been resigned only within
> the past week.
Drove the road today... fascinating isn't it!
All exits (save the ACX) are now numbered. Here they are, with my
guessed numbers on the right and NJDOT's signed numbers on the left:
NB Exit NJDOT Me
ACX (none) 6A
NJ 168 7 6B
Coles Rd 9A 9
NJ 168 9B 10
CR 544 12 12
CR 753 14 14
SB Exit NJDOT Me
CR 753 14 14
NJ 55 13 13
CR 544 12 12B
NJ 44 11 12A
CR 681 10B 11
NJ 168 10A 10
CR 534 8 8
NJ 168 7 6B
ACX (none) 6A
Note that NJ 168 is 10A southbound but 9B northbound...
Most signs just had tabs added on. Gore signs are universal, save
Exit 14 NB.
On the way there, I noticed the same cement patch job treatment to NJ
29 (John Fitch Parkway) through Trenton as I noted on the Trenton
Freeway last summer, so I would expect the road to be overlaid with
asphalt in the next two weeks (or sooner!). No more heavily cracked
concrete to contend with (as mentioned by Jeff on Steve Anderson's NJ
29 page).
On the way back north to New Brunswick I had the unfortunate
experience of my left front tire violently losing its tread down to
the rim (i.e. like those rubber strips you see on the side of the road
(or even in the road), like that)... So I got to experience the
greatness of the NJTP's left and right shoulders, but was unfortunate
to also experience US 130's substandard (or completely missing)
shoulders, as I crawled back home (BTW, I've already gotten a new
tire, in case you were wondering... nice to have mechanics in the
family).
AlbertC79
I second that notion. A driver travelling eb on I-76 would male a smooth
transition from I-76 to NJ-42, and finally to the ACE. I also believe that
this should all be I-76. Also this would give Atlantic City an interstate. It
may not be a fairly large city (pop. around 30.000) but it is well known as an
east-coast Vegas, so I think that should be enough to vie for Interstate
Access.
Raymond C Martin Jr
> : Personally, I think I-76 should be extended along the current NJ
> : 42/ACE routing into Atlantic City. This would also allow for NJ 55 to
> : become something like I-776 (I-176 is in Reading, I-376 and I-576 are
> : in Pittsburgh; far from New Jersey, but still only one state away)
> : since it is already up to Interstate standards. Of course, the ACE
> : would have to have the Westbound lanes widened to three, not two, to
> : match the Eastbound side's three. Then, of course, there would have
> : to (finally) be a connection to the NJTP (Exit 2A) to alleviate
> : traffic off of NJ 168/Exit 3 in Bellmawr/Runnemede. that would create
> : less confusion at the I-295/I-76/NJ 42 junction of which road is which
> : (no reassurance signs until a mile in on I-295, and where are they on
> : I-76...Philly?). I STILL never understood why they never made it down
> : the shore, but hopefully I'll see it one day.
>
> they should. what would traffic be like on 42/76 if there was a turnpike
> entrance though? you know how that area already has about 6 lines in each
> direction, and it still gets congested..
Probably close to the same. I went by Exit 3 today on the way back
and noted very few vehicles using it (while NJ 168 was pretty heavy
itself). I say build the new interchange where it should be and
replace the swamps the new exit would destroy with swamps where Exit 3
is now...
Exile on Market Street
> Personally, I think I-76 should be extended along the current NJ
> 42/ACE routing into Atlantic City. This would also allow for NJ 55 to
> become something like I-776 (I-176 is in Reading, I-376 and I-576 are
> in Pittsburgh; far from New Jersey, but still only one state away)
> since it is already up to Interstate standards.
Minor nit: States can use any first digit not used *on a road within
the state* for a 3di.
Thus all three of those odd first digits are available to New Jersey.
Creighton Rabs
> I second that notion. A driver travelling eb on I-76 would male a smooth
> transition from I-76 to NJ-42, and finally to the ACE. I also believe that
> this should all be I-76. Also this would give Atlantic City an interstate. It
> may not be a fairly large city (pop. around 30.000) but it is well known as an
> east-coast Vegas, so I think that should be enough to vie for Interstate
> Access.
I think there are restrictions on toll roads being designated as
interstate highways; at the very least, the I-76 designation should be
extended along NJ 42 and then either (1) follow NJ 42 to the start of
the ACX or (2) follow the current NJ 55. The 76 designation ends
abrubtly on the Jersey side, IMHO...
Jeff
So I was correct in thinking that NJDOT should've simply given Exit
10B a '10' designation, and 168's Exit 10A a 9. I wonder if this was
an error and will be changed. And I wonder why they gave the exits
exit numbers anyway. Does it have anything to do with that federal
government ruling that the states must sign the exits on highways with
exit numbers?
> Most signs just had tabs added on. Gore signs are universal, save
> Exit 14 NB.
>
> On the way there, I noticed the same cement patch job treatment to NJ
> 29 (John Fitch Parkway) through Trenton as I noted on the Trenton
> Freeway last summer, so I would expect the road to be overlaid with
> asphalt in the next two weeks (or sooner!). No more heavily cracked
> concrete to contend with (as mentioned by Jeff on Steve Anderson's NJ
> 29 page).
>
> On the way back north to New Brunswick I had the unfortunate
> experience of my left front tire violently losing its tread down to
> the rim (i.e. like those rubber strips you see on the side of the road
> (or even in the road), like that)... So I got to experience the
> greatness of the NJTP's left and right shoulders, but was unfortunate
> to also experience US 130's substandard (or completely missing)
> shoulders, as I crawled back home (BTW, I've already gotten a new
> tire, in case you were wondering... nice to have mechanics in the
> family).
D'OH!!!!!!
Jeff
> Eagles Fan On I-175 wrote:
>
> > Personally, I think I-76 should be extended along the current NJ
> > 42/ACE routing into Atlantic City. This would also allow for NJ 55 to
> > become something like I-776 (I-176 is in Reading, I-376 and I-576 are
> > in Pittsburgh; far from New Jersey, but still only one state away)
> > since it is already up to Interstate standards.
>
> Minor nit: States can use any first digit not used *on a road within
> the state* for a 3di.
>
> Thus all three of those odd first digits are available to New Jersey.
I think technially they are supposed to start at the first available.
Before anyone stops me, NJ already had a I-276 (PA Turnpike Connector)
and I-476 I believe was supposed to come down to Rt. 322 at the
Commodore Barry Bridge. Thus, that's why I-676 is off of I-76 in NJ.
Having said that, Rt. 55 would probably be designated I-176. Reading
and Pittsburg are too far away to be normally confused, and whether a
state next to another state has the designation doesn't matter
(Delaware and Maryland each have a distinct and seperate I-295, for
example).
Sean
would be the end of I-76, I-676 which doesn't make sense because of the
light in Chinatown, would also end at 42, I-295 would "interchange" and I
use that lightly, with 42 and 55 and the ACE would break off of it.l)
"Jeff" <kh...@jersey.net> wrote in message
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Eagles Fan On I-175
>
> > Personally, I think I-76 should be extended along the current NJ
> > 42/ACE routing into Atlantic City. This would also allow for NJ 55 to
> > become something like I-776 (I-176 is in Reading, I-376 and I-576 are
> > in Pittsburgh; far from New Jersey, but still only one state away)
> > since it is already up to Interstate standards.
>
> Minor nit: States can use any first digit not used *on a road within
> the state* for a 3di.
>
> Thus all three of those odd first digits are available to New Jersey.
I know that. But it would be different(ie Indiana using I-469 when
I-269 was never used (proposed in TN/MS however[thanks Kurumi!]) than
the others and also, if you look at it (I-776) it's almost patriotic,
esp since it leads from deep in South Jersey to Philly. I guess
saying that it can't be used since PA has them wasn't a good reason,
but don't nit-pick. ;-)
Raymond C Martin Jr
Yeah it would've been simpler... I don't get it, but its NJDOT,
whatchygonnado... At least they're numbered finally, 45 years later!
> I wonder if this was an error and will be changed. And I wonder why they
> gave the exits exit numbers anyway. Does it have anything to do with that
> federal government ruling that the states must sign the exits on highways
> with exit numbers?
Well if they do then I hope they get around to the rest of them... US
1, US 1&9, NJ 3... plenty of other roads they have to do...
> > Most signs just had tabs added on. Gore signs are universal, save
> > Exit 14 NB.
> >
> > On the way there, I noticed the same cement patch job treatment to NJ
> > 29 (John Fitch Parkway) through Trenton as I noted on the Trenton
> > Freeway last summer, so I would expect the road to be overlaid with
> > asphalt in the next two weeks (or sooner!). No more heavily cracked
> > concrete to contend with (as mentioned by Jeff on Steve Anderson's NJ
> > 29 page).
> >
> > On the way back north to New Brunswick I had the unfortunate
> > experience of my left front tire violently losing its tread down to
> > the rim (i.e. like those rubber strips you see on the side of the road
> > (or even in the road), like that)... So I got to experience the
> > greatness of the NJTP's left and right shoulders, but was unfortunate
> > to also experience US 130's substandard (or completely missing)
> > shoulders, as I crawled back home (BTW, I've already gotten a new
> > tire, in case you were wondering... nice to have mechanics in the
> > family).
>
> D'OH!!!!!!
Yeah that was it... Though I was actually glad it happened at a
non-critical time... It would've sucked balls if it had happened
while I was travelling out to State College for my AccuWeather
interview last week...
Raymond C Martin Jr
> How about just calling it 42 like everybody does already. (The Walt Whitman
> would be the end of I-76, I-676 which doesn't make sense because of the
> light in Chinatown, would also end at 42, I-295 would "interchange" and I
> use that lightly, with 42 and 55 and the ACE would break off of it.l)
42 was once 168. Then it used to be all 42 (76 and 676 included).
They ended 76 at 295 for it to end at another interstate. They ran
out of mileage so they couldn't make the rest of 42 and the ACX 76.
Its foolish to end 76 at the base of the bridge. It would make more
sense to end it at 95, but that's unlikely because of the bullsh!t
they have for an interchange there. The best way to do this, I think,
would be to send 76 back on its original course (thru center city on
the vine street) and have it end at the 3-y w/ 95, which would kill 3
birds with one stone (no interstate on surface streets anymore,
logical ending for 76 besides AC, and 42 all the way into PHL).
But, if you want to take a vote...
Majority of NJ roadgeeks->76
You->42
You lose ;-)
Christopher Blaney
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> kh...@jersey.net (Jeff) wrote in message
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> > fitchh...@aol.com (Fitch Hottie 21) wrote in message
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> NB Exit NJDOT Me
> ACX (none) 6A
> NJ 168 7 6B
> Coles Rd 9A 9
> NJ 168 9B 10
> CR 544 12 12
> CR 753 14 14
>
> SB Exit NJDOT Me
> CR 753 14 14
> NJ 55 13 13
> CR 544 12 12B
> NJ 44 11 12A
> CR 681 10B 11
> NJ 168 10A 10
> CR 534 8 8
> NJ 168 7 6B
> ACX (none) 6A
I like the fact that NJ signed the exit numbers on Route 42, but if you ask
me, they should have taken the opportunity to have one set of exit numbers
from Atlantic City to the Walt Whitman and Ben Franklin Bridges, thusly.
The NJ 42 exit numbers noted above become Exits 45-52, respectively. NJ 42
north of the ACX is numbered NJ 76.
The I-76/295 mega-interchange becomes Exits 53A-B-C-D.
The I-76/676 split becomes Exit 54.
The I-676 exit numbers become Exits 55-56-57. (Old Exits 3-4-5.)
Having the Atlantic City-Philadelphia route reset its exit numbers and
mileposts twice, and in the space of a few miles, is confusing. Whole thing
should be numbered 76 and have one set of exit numbers and mileposts.
Chris Blaney
Raymond C Martin Jr
> > How about just calling it 42 like everybody does already. (The Walt Whitman
> > would be the end of I-76, I-676 which doesn't make sense because of the
> > light in Chinatown, would also end at 42, I-295 would "interchange" and I
> > use that lightly, with 42 and 55 and the ACE would break off of it.l)
>
> 42 was once 168.
I mean 168 was once 42... well u know what i mean... ;-)...
Jeff
> Exile on Market Street <smi...@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message news:<bmii6d$4a0e$2...@netnews.upenn.edu>...
> > Eagles Fan On I-175 wrote:
> >
> > > Personally, I think I-76 should be extended along the current NJ
> > > 42/ACE routing into Atlantic City. This would also allow for NJ 55 to
> > > become something like I-776 (I-176 is in Reading, I-376 and I-576 are
> > > in Pittsburgh; far from New Jersey, but still only one state away)
> > > since it is already up to Interstate standards.
> >
> > Minor nit: States can use any first digit not used *on a road within
> > the state* for a 3di.
> >
> > Thus all three of those odd first digits are available to New Jersey.
>
> I know that. But it would be different(ie Indiana using I-469 when
> I-269 was never used (proposed in TN/MS however[thanks Kurumi!]) than
> the others and also, if you look at it (I-776) it's almost patriotic,
> esp since it leads from deep in South Jersey to Philly. I guess
> saying that it can't be used since PA has them wasn't a good reason,
> but don't nit-pick. ;-)
I've heard of people call NJ's Route 168 I-68 (can't tell the
difference between an I and 1, I guess), so I776 does sound kinda
cool!
Raymond C Martin Jr
While I agree with you that it should all be numbered as 76, exit
numbering should start at the Walt Whitman in that case, not AC, since
of course it would then be an east-west roadway.
Since NJ has absolutely refused to duplicate numbers (this way they
can get people to call everything 'route xx' with no need for US or I
or NJ prefixes in common terminology), there will never be an NJ 76,
so this is a dream that will never happen. NJ is not NY. (and a good
thing too, cuz a lot of your interstates have some crappy design
features, like all those missing bridge shoulders, and that shitty
rope they call a guide rail! ;-) ).
I'm glad they stuck to their guns and assigned the exits based on
mileposts. Its the first road that doesn't start as a freeway in NJ
(and was mever planned to start as a freeway) that has signed exit
numbers (NJ 21 has them but it was originally supposed to be full
freeway throughout, and NJ 18 and NJ 55 start at stub ends of
freeways).
Hopefully a few more roads that I have ghosted exit numbers on signage
will get them in reality soon!
AlbertC79
This wouldn't be the first time a 3di was designated based on a year. I
believe I-985 in Georgia was designated because it was christened in 1985
(I985).
josef
: interstate highways; at the very least, the I-76 designation should be
: extended along NJ 42 and then either (1) follow NJ 42 to the start of
: the ACX or (2) follow the current NJ 55. The 76 designation ends
: abrubtly on the Jersey side, IMHO...
following 55 might be kind of weird, since 55 ends in the middle of
nowhere-even-more-southern-than southern) nj, at like, a light with nj-47.
somewhere near maurice river? somewhere really down there.
joe
Sean
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Creighton Rabs
There have been plans for years to extend the freeway portion of NJ 55
to end either at or near the Garden State Parkway.
AlbertC79
Apparently not so many, if Kansas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illnois, and Oklahoma
were able to toss Interstate shields here and there on all their tolled
highways and turnpikes.
josef
Oklahoma
: were able to toss Interstate shields here and there on all their tolled
: highways and turnpikes.
true. but itd be weird to be like O HEY FOLLOW I-76 TO THE SHORE! except
leave them off in the imddle of deep southern nj. that would confuse plenty
'a outofstater :p
Eagles Fan On I-175
The Greenies, however, are having a fit over sending NJ 55 to the GSP,
cause it would go through the Southern end of the Pine Barrens. I
mean, they fought and (thankfully) lost the battle of the construction
of NJ 347, even though it's a small two-laned road, but it goes
through the Pine Barrens. To be honest, I believe that in my lifetime
(I'm only 20) I'll NEVER see NJ 55 extended to the GSP. After the way
the NJTP was built up on the Northern half, the Greenies now have
control of the placement of infrastructure of the State. If they're
afraid the Pine Barrens might be "destroyed" b/c of a two-laned
backroad, what makes you think they'll allow a 4+ lane freeway be
built? Thank God that the GSP was built before the 70's...
Eagles Fan On I-175