New PA Liscence Plates announced
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feature website address on its license plate New plate will be free
HARRISBURG (Feb. 17) - Gov. Tom Ridge today unveiled Pennsylvania's new
license plate, making Pennsylvania the first state in the nation to put its
website address on its license plate.
Pennsylvania will re-issue license plates statewide for the first time since
1976, replacing millions of worn, faded and often peeling license plates with
the new design. The new standard plate will be free.
"License plates are 72 square-inch billboards advertising our state," Gov.
Ridge said. "And right now, our old plate says we are tired, worn and fading.
That's not what the 'New Pennsylvania' is all about. So today, our
Commonwealth kicks into high gear with a new plate for a 'New Pennsylvania.'
With our new web address emblazoned on the bottom, this new state plate will
send a strong and positive signal to all who see it - that Pennsylvania is
high tech, high energy and ready for the new millennium."
The new license plate keeps Pennsylvania's traditional blue and yellow color
scheme. The plate features a white background with dark blue letters and
numbers, a blue band across the top and a yellow band across the bottom. In
the center is a blue keystone. Across the top reads "Pennsylvania" in all
capital letters. Across the bottom reads "WWW.STATE.PA.US."
"Our website, recognized as the best in the nation, is a gateway to a host of
important information about our state - information
for tourists, motorists, families, employers and students," Gov. Ridge said.
"This new plate will bring millions of people into the
Pennsylvania homepage - people who may someday visit or even move here."
In 1997, Pennsylvania became the first state to put its website address on
welcome signs at its borders.
Transportation Secretary Bradley L. Mallory said PennDOT will replace the
state's roughly 9 million license plates over a
three-year period - at no cost to motorists.
PennDOT first will replace about 1 million standard-issue yellow plates,
introduced in 1976. Many of these yellow plates have
lost their paint and are in varying stages of deterioration.
Motorists with yellow plates will receive the new plate in the mail between
September 1999 and February 2000. Motorists may take their old plates to
their curbside recycling bin or to a PennDOT county maintenance office for
recycling. Before recycling their old plates, motorists should remove the
registration stickers or cut the plate in half.
From March 2000 through June 2000, PennDOT will replace about 325,000 yellow
and blue personalized (vanity) plates. Starting in July 2000, PennDOT will
begin to replace about 8 million blue plates through the normal registration
renewal process.
The final phase, beginning in spring 2002, will replace the state's
approximately 70 different special organization plates,
including those bearing the inscriptions of colleges, universities, and groups
such as the Lions Club, Army Reserve and Ducks
Unlimited. About 73,000 motorists have these special organization license
plates. Beginning in July 2000, motorists registering
their cars for the first time will receive the new license plates.
Pennsylvania's $1.9 billion-a-year Motor License Fund will absorb the cost of
the license-plate replacement, expected to total
about $32 million. PennDOT will not charge motorists a fee for the new license
plate unless they want to buy one before their
scheduled replacement time. Motorists who want a new plate sooner will pay
$7.50.
Motorists who have personalized (vanity) plates will get the same message on
their new plate at no charge.
The replacement program will not affect the Constitution plate, or the
Preserve Our Heritage (train), Wild Resources Conservation (owl), Zoological
(tiger), Flagship Niagara or D.A.R.E. special fund license plates. Also, the
re-issuance will not affect motorists who have other license plates that are
not blue and yellow, such as antique or Purple Heart plates.
State Police Commissioner Col. Paul Evanko, who joined Gov. Ridge and PennDOT
Secretary Mallory at the unveiling, said
the new design meets the State Police's need for excellent readability to
identify vehicles.
Mallory said too many Pennsylvania cars wear faded, beat-up license plates,
making it hard for the police and other motorists
to identify them. The new license plates will be easy to see and easy to read.
Correctional Industries will manufacture the new license plates using
reflective-sheeting technology, resulting in greater visibility. The existing
plates use a "beads-on-paint" system, in which only the numbers and letters,
not the background, are reflective.
PennDOT established a toll-free hotline to answer questions about the new
license plates. The number is 1-877-PA-NU-TAG (1-877-726-8824). Information
also is available on the Commonwealth's website at www.state.pa.us.
Once completed, PennDOT expects the statewide license plate replacement to
result in a 4 percent to 5 percent increase in vehicle registrations. This is
because motorists must have a valid registration to receive the new license
plate from PennDOT.
PennDOT estimates this boost in registration fees would generate about $13.8
million a year - more than covering the cost of
the re-issuance within three years.
Adam Prince
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SP Cook
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>there a pic on the Official PA site:
>"http://www.dot.state.pa.us/penndot/pagraphics.nsf/HTML+Storage+Lookup/newp
late/$file/scannedplate.jpg"
>
TWO: Didn't some Quakers (is that politically correct? Do I care?) object
to the "You have a friend in ..." slogan and they then went back to
"Keystone State"? Read that somewhere.
SP Cook
Lisa or Jeff
> 1976, replacing millions of worn, faded and often peeling license plates with
> the new design. The new standard plate will be free.
It's time. While people who change their cars got new plates, others
have their orginal plates and they are getting ratty. Mine dates
from 1981 and is ratty.
> The new license plate keeps Pennsylvania's traditional blue and yellow color
> scheme. The plate features a white background with dark blue letters and
> numbers, a blue band across the top and a yellow band across the bottom. In
> the center is a blue keystone. Across the top reads "Pennsylvania" in all
> capital letters. Across the bottom reads "WWW.STATE.PA.US."
Historically, Penna plates alternated between a blue and yellow background
(and the opposite color letters). I like my plate since it has the
yellow background and is reflectorized, so it's an extra safety feature.
The present plates was a blue background.
But the web address across the bottom is STUPID! No one can remember a
web address without writing it down, and who's gonna write anything
down while they're driving? (hopefully no one.)
I also think the web address is tacky. If they want to stick it on
state trucks, fine. Go back to "Keystone State" or come up with a
decent slogan.
> Motorists with yellow plates will receive the new plate in the mail between
> September 1999 and February 2000. Motorists may take their old plates to
> their curbside recycling bin or to a PennDOT county maintenance office for
> recycling. Before recycling their old plates, motorists should remove the
> registration stickers or cut the plate in half.
I wish they'd let us keep the same license number. If I get a new license
number, I'll have to change (if I remember, doubtful) parking permit
records at my employer, residence, and elsewhere.
> Correctional Industries will manufacture the new license plates using
> reflective-sheeting technology, resulting in greater visibility. The existing
> plates use a "beads-on-paint" system, in which only the numbers and letters,
> not the background, are reflective.
My old yellow plate was certainly reflective.
bpol...@my-dejanews.com
APri...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> GOV. RIDGE UNVEILS NEW PENNSYLVANIA LICENSE PLATE PA becomes first state to
> feature website address on its license plate New plate will be free
> HARRISBURG (Feb. 17) - Gov. Tom Ridge today unveiled Pennsylvania's new
> license plate, making Pennsylvania the first state in the nation to put its
> website address on its license plate.
Blah Blah Blah
> Adam Prince
>
> "Merge Here...Take your turn"
> ---PennDot
I think this is a good idea. It's too bad New Jersey just updated their
plates. Which is why i don't think they'll be doing anything like putting a
web address on thier plates anytime soon.
Brian Polidoro
All Turns from Right Lane
NJDOT
Lisa or Jeff
> plates. Which is why i don't think they'll be doing anything like putting a
> web address on thier plates anytime soon.
Other than using lower case for "New Jersey" and modern materials,
NJ's plates are exactly the same as the 1950s, plain black letters
on beige. In the 1980s they tried yellow on light blue which was
very hard to see and switched to this format. Very visible.
GeneJYao
<<Historically, Penna plates alternated between a blue and yellow background
(and the opposite color letters). >>
What was the color scheme of the plate before the yellow on white bicentennial
plate?
g...@my-dejanews.com
The caption (that's what those "slogans" are called) was the official slogan
for Pennslvania tourism when it was introduced. When administrations changed
so did the slogan and hence the plate's caption.
Othet than the traditional "Keystone State," the only other caption I recall
that was "Bicentennial State" used starting in 1971 and phased out beginning
in 1976.
The plates used immediately prior to the Bicentennial issue were unique
because an outline of the Commonwealth framed the number.
Dave Schul
>GOV. RIDGE UNVEILS NEW PENNSYLVANIA LICENSE PLATE
<snip>
>The final phase, beginning in spring 2002, will replace the state's
>approximately 70 different special organization plates,
>including those bearing the inscriptions of colleges, universities, and groups
>such as the Lions Club, Army Reserve and Ducks
>Unlimited. About 73,000 motorists have these special organization license
>plates.
Does this mean that the special organization tags will be replaced
with the standard tags or with new-design special organization tags?
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was talking about redesigning theirs sometime in the near future.
Kyle
g...@my-dejanews.com
The Bicentennial plate was yellow on blue. Yellow on white would be
illegible. Before the Bicentennial tags, the colors were blue on yellow.
APri...@my-dejanews.com
map...@ukanx.edu wrote:> <snip>
> >The final phase, beginning in spring 2002, will replace the state's
> >approximately 70 different special organization plates,
> >including those bearing the inscriptions of colleges, universities, and
groups
> >such as the Lions Club, Army Reserve and Ducks
> >Unlimited. About 73,000 motorists have these special organization license
> >plates.
>
> with the standard tags or with new-design special organization tags?
It will be replaced with the speical organization plates with the new design
so if you had a Penn State Tag you would get a new PSU tag with the new style
in about 2002
On the nesws they said motorist who want the new tags before they get theirs
issued free can but they would have to pay for it
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Jon Enslin
>
> On a similar note, I could have sworn I heard somewhere that Illinois
> was talking about redesigning theirs sometime in the near future.
Wisconsin will have to as well. I've seen plates beginning with
"UXX-NNN" on the road recently.
Jon
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>
> The Bicentennial plate was yellow on blue. Yellow on white would be
> illegible. Before the Bicentennial tags, the colors were blue on yellow.
>
my brother has a 1955 Chevy with a bicentennial vanity plate. since the
symbol which separated the two sets of numbers on the plate was the
Liberty Bell the plate reads: 55 *bell* AIR
--bruce
Adam Newman
>
> On a similar note, I could have sworn I heard somewhere that Illinois
> was talking about redesigning theirs sometime in the near future.
>
Jesse White (our new secetary of State) has said new licence plates were
one of his priorities. There's a press release about it at
http://www.sos.state.il.us/new/press/release/990127d1.html
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Jim Ellwanger
>The plates used immediately prior to the Bicentennial issue were unique
>because an outline of the Commonwealth framed the number.
Pennsylvania motorcycle tags are still like this. It looks very cool.
But I like the new standard plate design, too. Almost makes me wish I
wasn't moving from Pennsylvania to California next week.
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Kyle Levenhagen
>
> Kyle Levenhagen wrote:
> >
> > On a similar note, I could have sworn I heard somewhere that Illinois
> > was talking about redesigning theirs sometime in the near future.
>
> "UXX-NNN" on the road recently.
Not necessarily. Wisconsin may just have to take the Illinois approach
and come up with new variations. Typical ones I've seen down here in
addition to XXX-NNN are XX-NNNN and X-NNN-NNN. I don't know if XX-NNNN
would work since this was a combination used with the old
black-on-yellow plates. However, possibly going with a
Pennsylvaniaesque (how's THAT for a word?) XXX-NNNN may work well with
the smaller letters and numbers that have come into use in the last
couple of years.
Kyle
Kyle Levenhagen
Packer, Brewer, etc. license plates in Wisconsin? Is it still an issue?
(Just watch... if they ever do get approval, it'll probably be *after* I
wind up taking a job OUT of state!)
Kyle
JJKITSKO
>illegible. Before the Bicentennial tags, the colors were blue on yellow.
I remember the blue on yellow tags. Both my parents had them on their cars. I
remember as a little kid seeing mostly these types, then the reverse plates
began to show up in numbers.
Jeff Kitsko
PA Highways: http://hometown.aol.com/PAHIGHWAYS/main.html
jen...@ameritech.net
That would go against Wisconsin's tradition of replacing them every 12-15
years or so. We don't tend to add a didgit here or there... ;-)
Jon
Dyche Anderson
when Pennsylvania issued new plates (liberty bell plate), a number of
the early plates were printed with the numbers (and the liberty bell)
upside down! My dad got one of those, and of course he still has it
(the state issued replacements immediately).
Dyche Anderson
Lisa or Jeff
> remember as a little kid seeing mostly these types, then the reverse plates
> began to show up in numbers.
Historically, Penna replaced all plates every five years, alternating
the two colors foreground/background.
When the yellow background plates came out, with the reflectorized
background, they looked similar to the New York state plates then in
effect (though NY were slightly more orange).
GeneJYao
<<The Bicentennial plate was yellow on blue. Yellow on white would be
illegible. Before the Bicentennial tags, the colors were blue on yellow.>>
That's right. I meant "yellow on blue" but for some reason I typed "yellow on
white". I always liked yellow on blue better than blue on yellow. In fact,
yellow on blue should have been the permanent coloring of the PA plate from the
start. it looks better and it is more visible. Why did they have a policy of
alternating between yellow on blue and blue on yellow?
In any case, I think it was high time that PA got new plates. Considering how
most other states have completely differnt designs from what they had 10 years
ago, it was about time that PA replaced the old yellow on blue (around since
the early 80's).
Lisa or Jeff
> yellow on blue should have been the permanent coloring of the PA plate from the
> start. it looks better and it is more visible.
Disagree. I like the yellow background better since it gives additional
rear-end reflection protection for a parked car.
> Why did they have a policy of
> alternating between yellow on blue and blue on yellow?
Probably just to be clear about what the current generation of plate
stock was, and not to be boring.
> In any case, I think it was high time that PA got new plates. Considering how
> most other states have completely differnt designs from what they had 10 years
> ago, it was about time that PA replaced the old yellow on blue (around since
> the early 80's).
Why change? If it works leave it alone. A license plate is a functional
item. I always thought modern plates, with their script lettering,
background pictures, etc., were silly.
And they should stick with "Keystone State". NJ is the "Garden State",
NY is the "Empire State", FL is the "Sunshine State", CA is the "Golden
State", DE is the "First State", etc.
Bob Johnson
wrote:
>Historically, Penna replaced all plates every five years, alternating
>the two colors foreground/background.
In the 1950s the plates came out every year, and they would be
reversed in color each time -- blue, then yellow background. (If
memory serves, NY did a similar color swap with their plates at one
time using orange and blue.) A symbolic PA state outline made up the
border of the plate -- and still does on the cycle plate.
The 1971 to 1976 bicentennial plate was the first design change in a
long time.
>When the yellow background plates came out, with the reflectorized
>background, they looked similar to the New York state plates then in
>effect (though NY were slightly more orange).
In 1977, the yellow plate replaced all of the liberty bell plates --
and it was indeed just a shade lighter or more yellow than the orange
NY plates of the time.
I was surprised that the yellow ones weren't recalled when the current
style came out. Some of them were in rough shape then and worse now.
"You've got a friend..." reverted to the traditional "Keystone State"
after the election of Bob Casey as governor -- he didn't like the
friend slogan.
Bob Johnson
Max Power
Bob Johnson <rejoh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>When the yellow background plates came out, with the reflectorized
>>background, they looked similar to the New York state plates then in
>>effect (though NY were slightly more orange).
>
>In 1977, the yellow plate replaced all of the liberty bell plates --
>and it was indeed just a shade lighter or more yellow than the orange
>NY plates of the time.
Bringing NY further into the thread, I personally think that the old plates
were better (does anybody have any details about them beyond the color, like
what it said on it other than the state name?). Orange and Blue are the NY
state colors, prominently displayed on the state seal and flag (in fact, the
latter is just the former on a blue background!). The modern plates are
white, with a red border, a red Statue of Liberty, and blue letters. It
doesn't even have the state nickname, motto or slogan (Empire State,
Excelsior and I Love NY respectively). So perhaps then, the state should go
the whole way in changing it's plate design by writing United States of
America instead of New York on the plate. The new plates that have your
favorite sports team or a graphic representing your region, are better, but
I think they cost more now.
BTW, It's not that I don't like the Statue of Liberty, I just think it's a
national symbol, so are the colors of the NY plates.
>Bob Johnson
nwp...@student.berklee.edu
"Max Power" <onlyjoex_at_ea...@NO.SPAM> wrote:
> Bringing NY further into the thread, I personally think that the old plates
> were better (does anybody have any details about them beyond the color, like
> what it said on it other than the state name?).
I don't think they said anything else. We still have some.
> Orange and Blue are the NY
> state colors, prominently displayed on the state seal and flag (in fact, the
> latter is just the former on a blue background!). The modern plates are
> white, with a red border, a red Statue of Liberty, and blue letters.
And don't forget the "watermark".
> It doesn't even have the state nickname, motto or slogan (Empire State,
> Excelsior and I Love NY respectively). So perhaps then, the state should go
> the whole way in changing it's plate design by writing United States of
> America instead of New York on the plate. The new plates that have your
> favorite sports team or a graphic representing your region, are better, but
> I think they cost more now.
I like those too, but they have a less official appearance than the normal
ones.
>
> BTW, It's not that I don't like the Statue of Liberty, I just think it's a
> national symbol, so are the colors of the NY plates.
And it can be argued (elsewhere please) that said Statue is not even in New
York. I too wish they would be yellow and blue again, and that they had a
more all-encompassing choice of emblem. I'd most prefer them to say "Empire
State", since "Excelsior" reminds me of a personal joke regarding a friend of
mine, and "I [heart] NY" is just silly.
Some suggestions for emblems on statewide plates: The Erie Canal: a good
choice, as it's responsible for the growth of the State as a whole, even
(especially?) NYC. How would you put this on a license plate, though? Niagara
Falls: very regional, but it invokes an image of the State, rather than the
City (or the Nation).
Or combine emblems, like NF on one side and the Brooklyn Bridge on the other.
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>
> Can you scan it in?
>
Dyche Anderson
Bob Johnson
>In article <7ajug8$90e$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Max Power" <onlyjoex_at_ea...@NO.SPAM> wrote:
>
>> Bringing NY further into the thread, I personally think that the old plates
>> were better (does anybody have any details about them beyond the color, like
>> what it said on it other than the state name?).
>
>I don't think they said anything else. We still have some.
They had "NEW YORK" at the bottom, no slogan. They were made with the
outline of a rectangle in one corner for an annual registration
sticker that was never used -- NY put it on the windshield instead.
(I heard that they either feared or knew that NYC entrepreneurs would
carefully remove a valid plate sticker and sell it to somebody who
needed to "register" their car.) That empty spot on the plate looked
odd.
And putting one of those orange plates on a red or maroon car made for
a serious color clash.
Bob Johnson
RVDroz
nwp...@student.berklee.edu wrote:
> Some suggestions for emblems on statewide plates: The Erie Canal: a good
> choice, as it's responsible for the growth of the State as a whole, even
> (especially?) NYC. How would you put this on a license plate, though? Niagara
> Falls: very regional, but it invokes an image of the State, rather than the
> City (or the Nation).
How about the Empire State Building?
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RVDroz <us...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> nwp...@student.berklee.edu wrote:
>
> > Some suggestions for emblems on statewide plates: The Erie Canal: a good
> > choice, as it's responsible for the growth of the State as a whole, even
> > (especially?) NYC. How would you put this on a license plate, though? Niagara
> > Falls: very regional, but it invokes an image of the State, rather than the
> > City (or the Nation).
>
> How about the Empire State Building?
Maybe it should be something like an entire background, where a countryside
sort of melds into a cityscape.
Brandon M. Gorte
: In article <36CE42C0...@earthlink.net>,
: RVDroz <us...@earthlink.net> wrote:
: > nwp...@student.berklee.edu wrote:
: >
: > > Some suggestions for emblems on statewide plates: The Erie Canal: a good
: > > choice, as it's responsible for the growth of the State as a whole, even
: > > (especially?) NYC. How would you put this on a license plate, though? Niagara
: > > Falls: very regional, but it invokes an image of the State, rather than the
: > > City (or the Nation).
: >
: > How about the Empire State Building?
: Maybe it should be something like an entire background, where a countryside
: sort of melds into a cityscape.
Along these lines, it could be a major landmark in the state, like
Michigan has with The Bridge on the plate, and the sun rising behind it.
Illinois hasn't changed its plate since '83. :-(
Brandon Gorte
Undergrad in Geological Engineering
Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI
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Mike McManus
>
> nwp...@student.berklee.edu wrote:
> : Maybe it should be something like an entire background, where a
> : countryside sort of melds into a cityscape.
>
> Along these lines, it could be a major landmark in the state, like
> Michigan has with The Bridge on the plate, and the sun rising behind
> it.
>
> Illinois hasn't changed its plate since '83. :-(
Regarding background graphics on license plates, North Carolina had,
at one time, a blue background on their plates which showed the
Wright Brothers' plane taking off, with some sawgrass in the
foreground (i.e. bottom edge of the plate). The blue sawgrass looked
more like a child had scribbled on the plates. ;-)
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Michael Moroney
nwp...@student.berklee.edu wrote:
> > Bringing NY further into the thread, I personally think that the old plates
> > were better (does anybody have any details about them beyond the color, like
> > what it said on it other than the state name?).
>
> I don't think they said anything else. We still have some.
No, just "NEW YORK" and an outline for a (never used) plate sticker.
> > Orange and Blue are the NY
> > state colors, prominently displayed on the state seal and flag (in fact, the
> > latter is just the former on a blue background!). The modern plates are
> > white, with a red border, a red Statue of Liberty, and blue letters.
Also state trooper cars, although in the last 10 years they've become much
"stealthier" with mostly blue and very little orange.
> And don't forget the "watermark".
Massachusetts also has a watermark. I suspect most recent redesigns have them.
> > BTW, It's not that I don't like the Statue of Liberty, I just think it's a
> > national symbol, so are the colors of the NY plates.
>
> And it can be argued (elsewhere please) that said Statue is not even in New
> York. I too wish they would be yellow and blue again, and that they had a
> more all-encompassing choice of emblem. I'd most prefer them to say "Empire
> State", since "Excelsior" reminds me of a personal joke regarding a friend of
> mine, and "I [heart] NY" is just silly.
The Supreme court ruled for Ellis Island that the original island was New
York and the rest (landfill) was New Jersey. If the same logic was
applied to the Statue of Liberty, it would be New York (assuming there's
little or no landfill, and the statue is on the original island)
New Hampshire just got new issue plates introduced as of January. They are of
"the Old Man in the Mountain", very faint (too faint) against a blue sky as a
background, with the Old Man situated between the number groupings (NNN-NNN)
-Mike
Ralph Herman
Michael Moroney wrote in message ...
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>
>The Supreme court ruled for Ellis Island that the original island was New
>York and the rest (landfill) was New Jersey. If the same logic was
>applied to the Statue of Liberty, it would be New York (assuming there's
>little or no landfill, and the statue is on the original island)
>
All of Liberty Island is NY territory, water immediately surrounding the
island is New Jersey. In an earlier lawsuit NJ tried to regain the
island... but lost. The original NY/NJ compact that ceded the island to NY
is still valid.
IMHO Lady Liberty is a fitting symbol for NY.
Ralph
Bob Goudreau
: > : Maybe it should be something like an entire background, where a
: > : countryside sort of melds into a cityscape.
: >
: > Along these lines, it could be a major landmark in the state, like
: > Michigan has with The Bridge on the plate, and the sun rising behind
: > it.
: >
: > Illinois hasn't changed its plate since '83. :-(
: Regarding background graphics on license plates, North Carolina had,
: at one time, a blue background on their plates which showed the
: Wright Brothers' plane taking off, with some sawgrass in the
: foreground (i.e. bottom edge of the plate). The blue sawgrass looked
: more like a child had scribbled on the plates. ;-)
"At one time" is now. The current "First in Flight" design was
introduced in the early 1980s. Actually, the background color is
white, but the silhouette of the airplane and seagrass is light
blue. The "NORTH CAROLINA" footer and "First In Flight" header
lines are in read, and dark blue is used for the actual registration
numbers and letters.
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S.D. Rhodes
> state colors, prominently displayed on the state seal and flag (in fact, the
> latter is just the former on a blue background!).
What you describe is true of approximately half of the states. Why so
many states can't come up with anything better than a state seal on a
blue background is beyond me. (And why is it almost always blue?) It
really makes me appreciate the states that have managed to come up with
other flags.
Exile on Market Street
(Bob Johnson) wrote:
> They had "NEW YORK" at the bottom, no slogan. They were made with the
> outline of a rectangle in one corner for an annual registration
> sticker that was never used -- NY put it on the windshield instead.
> (I heard that they either feared or knew that NYC entrepreneurs would
> carefully remove a valid plate sticker and sell it to somebody who
> needed to "register" their car.) That empty spot on the plate looked
> odd.
NJ has a similar spot on its *current* license plates, which is doubly odd
because NJ has used windshield decals for quite some time now.
PA, OTOH, still uses license-plate stickers -- and the NYS folks were right
to not use them: theft of registration tags is a problem in Philadelphia
(preferred method: snip the corner containing the sticker off the license
plate; alternate: remove the entire end of the plate that contains the
sticker). AFAICT, neither the old nor the new Pennsylvania plates have a
clearly marked corner for the stickers -- new plates have "T" stickers
already affixed to their lower left corners. These stickers allow you to
drive the car for 30 days while insurance is obtained; PA law requires all
cars to have insurance to be registered. This law appears to be spottily
enforced in Philadelphia as well. Taken together, these practices help
contribute to the city's high insurance rates.
I'd like to think that Pennsylvania would join its neghbors in placing
registration decals on the inside of the windshield, but since the
sticker-theft problem appears to be confined to Philadelphia, there's no
real consideration being given to this, AFAIK.
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Patrick L. Humphrey
The theft problem is why Texas began placing the registrations inside the
windshield back in 1995 -- plus the fact that under state law, theft of a
license-plate sticker was a misdemeanor, but to get the windshield sticker
requires breaking in, and that's a felony. It seems to have worked down here,
but even since the first stickerless plates began showing up at the start of
1995, the plates still have two corners for the stickers. Those two 1-by-2
spots are used as places for personal creativity by an increasing number of
motorists, these days.
--PLH, who hasn't put a Houston Aeros logo on his...yet.
RVDroz
Patrick L. Humphrey wrote:
> The theft problem is why Texas began placing the registrations inside the
> windshield back in 1995 -- plus the fact that under state law, theft of a
> license-plate sticker was a misdemeanor, but to get the windshield sticker
> requires breaking in, and that's a felony. It seems to have worked down here,
> but even since the first stickerless plates began showing up at the start of
> 1995, the plates still have two corners for the stickers. Those two 1-by-2
> spots are used as places for personal creativity by an increasing number of
> motorists, these days.
Florida still uses stickers, and I have never heard of sticker theft, or plate
stealing. Florida also issues highly reflective plates every 5 years, and you will
get a new one, like it or not. The stickers are practically irremovable from the
plate or the sticker you have to lay it on, and the police do keep an eye on them.
Stickers also have thier own serial numbers, and a specific color for each year.
Brandon M. Gorte
: In article <36ce2960...@news.earthlink.net>, rejoh...@earthlink.net
: (Bob Johnson) wrote:
I've never seen this problem in Illinois, but the sticker on the plate is
in the bottome center, not at the edges, so it's harder to steal.
However, they also have municipal stickers for vehicles as well that go on
the inside of the windshield.
Mike Reaser
Heh. You *could* live in a state where we have our annual Legislative
Argument Over Removing The Confederate Battle Flag From The State Flag.
--
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ICQ 3617758 If it's there, remove the YOUKNOW to, well, you know
"Ignorance" is as much a method of computer security as "Hope" is a
method of birth control -- K. Ward/L. Joynes
Alan Hamilton
Market Street) wrote:
>PA, OTOH, still uses license-plate stickers -- and the NYS folks were right
>to not use them: theft of registration tags is a problem in Philadelphia
>(preferred method: snip the corner containing the sticker off the license
>plate;
That exact thing happened to me in Arizona around 1990 or so -- *days*
after I bought a car and finally got the title, etc., sorted out so I
could get it registered, someone took tin snips and cut off the
sticker. Grr. I had to go back to the MVD and get a new plate and
sticker. I also had to pay the $5 fee for plate replacement. If they
had caught the guy, I could have sued him for the $5. :-)
I'm not sure how the law would have classified the crime. Not having
valid tags, of course, but I'm not sure what the theft of the tag
itself would have been charged as.
I'm not sure how bad a problem it is overall here. I don't personally
know anyone who has had their tag stolen, but I do see cars with the
plate inside the rear window rather than on the bumper. Arizona still
puts the tags on the plate, not the window.
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>
[Max Power wrote:]
> > Orange and Blue are the NY state colors, prominently displayed on
> > the state seal and flag (in fact, the latter is just the former on
> > a blue background!).
>
> What you describe is true of approximately half of the states. Why so
> many states can't come up with anything better than a state seal on a
> blue background is beyond me. (And why is it almost always blue?) It
> really makes me appreciate the states that have managed to come up
> with other flags.
I'm told Ohio is unique in having a state flag that is
non-rectangular (it's a shape known as a "swallow-tail").
Rich Carlson
<bmg...@mtu.edu> wrote:
> Exile on Market Street <smi...@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote:
> : In article <36ce2960...@news.earthlink.net>, rejoh...@earthlink.net
> : (Bob Johnson) wrote:
>
> : > They had "NEW YORK" at the bottom, no slogan. They were made with the
> : > outline of a rectangle in one corner for an annual registration
> : > sticker that was never used -- NY put it on the windshield instead.
> : > (I heard that they either feared or knew that NYC entrepreneurs would
> : > carefully remove a valid plate sticker and sell it to somebody who
> : > needed to "register" their car.) That empty spot on the plate looked
> : > odd.
>
> : NJ has a similar spot on its *current* license plates, which is doubly odd
> : because NJ has used windshield decals for quite some time now.
>
> : PA, OTOH, still uses license-plate stickers -- and the NYS folks were right
> : to not use them: theft of registration tags is a problem in Philadelphia
> : (preferred method: snip the corner containing the sticker off the license
> : plate; alternate: remove the entire end of the plate that contains the
> : sticker). AFAICT, neither the old nor the new Pennsylvania plates have a
> : clearly marked corner for the stickers -- new plates have "T" stickers
> : already affixed to their lower left corners. These stickers allow you to
> : drive the car for 30 days while insurance is obtained; PA law requires all
> : cars to have insurance to be registered. This law appears to be spottily
> : enforced in Philadelphia as well. Taken together, these practices help
> : contribute to the city's high insurance rates.
>
> : I'd like to think that Pennsylvania would join its neghbors in placing
> : registration decals on the inside of the windshield, but since the
> : sticker-theft problem appears to be confined to Philadelphia, there's no
> : real consideration being given to this, AFAIK.
>
> I've never seen this problem in Illinois, but the sticker on the plate is
> in the bottome center, not at the edges, so it's harder to steal.
>
> However, they also have municipal stickers for vehicles as well that go on
> the inside of the windshield.
>
> Brandon Gorte
> Undergrad in Geological Engineering
> Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI
> <http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~bmgorte/freeway.html>
The trick to preserving your license plate stickers from theft is to apply
them to the plate, then take a sharp razor and slice them into small
shreds. They will remain on the plate just fine, and if someone trys to
take it off it will come off in small unusable chunks.
I am hoping that when IL replaces it's license plates next year that they
note the month of expiry on the plate itself and the sticker would then be
used only to determine the year. This will make it easier to see if the
plate is expired from a distance. Also, have plates expire in certian
months depending on what the plate is (First digit 1 expires in January, 2
expires in February etc, same for letters, A, B or C expire in January
etc...). This will go a long way to help enforcement of expired
registration.
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mmcm...@frontiernet.net wrote:
> S.D. Rhodes wrote:
> >
> [Max Power wrote:]
> > > Orange and Blue are the NY state colors, prominently displayed on
> > > the state seal and flag (in fact, the latter is just the former on
> > > a blue background!).
> >
> > What you describe is true of approximately half of the states. Why so
> > many states can't come up with anything better than a state seal on a
> > blue background is beyond me. (And why is it almost always blue?) It
> > really makes me appreciate the states that have managed to come up
> > with other flags.
Keep in mind, though, that New York was probably one of the first states to
use this design.
>
> I'm told Ohio is unique in having a state flag that is
> non-rectangular (it's a shape known as a "swallow-tail").
Unique among states, anyway. The flag of Nepal is in the shape of two stacked
triangles. The flags of Scandinavian nations have swallow-tail shapes in
certain applications. The flag of Saudi Arabia is unique (I believe) in that
if you are looking at the front of the flag, the flagpole is on your right.
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Michael G. Koerner
> > I've never seen this problem in Illinois, but the sticker on the plate is
> > in the bottome center, not at the edges, so it's harder to steal.
> >
> > However, they also have municipal stickers for vehicles as well that go on
> > the inside of the windshield.
> >
> > Brandon Gorte
> > Undergrad in Geological Engineering
> > Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI
> > <http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~bmgorte/freeway.html>
>
> The trick to preserving your license plate stickers from theft is to apply
> them to the plate, then take a sharp razor and slice them into small
> shreds. They will remain on the plate just fine, and if someone trys to
> take it off it will come off in small unusable chunks.
>
> I am hoping that when IL replaces it's license plates next year that they
> note the month of expiry on the plate itself and the sticker would then be
> used only to determine the year. This will make it easier to see if the
> plate is expired from a distance. Also, have plates expire in certian
> months depending on what the plate is (First digit 1 expires in January, 2
> expires in February etc, same for letters, A, B or C expire in January
> etc...). This will go a long way to help enforcement of expired
> registration.
Wisconsin's stickers are INCREDIBLY stickey, made of an easily teared
metallic material and have cross-hatches already scribed in when they
are sent out.
Wisconsin also DID use a plate number based expiration formula (A or B
first letter = Jan exp.; C,D = Feb exp, etc; personals expired in Jan),
but dropped that when the current design plates were issued beginning in
1987. Since then, both the expiration month and year have been seperate
stickers - before, the month was embossed into the plate..
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mmcm...@frontiernet.net wrote:
> S.D. Rhodes wrote:
> >
> [Max Power wrote:]
> > > Orange and Blue are the NY state colors, prominently displayed on
> > > the state seal and flag (in fact, the latter is just the former on
> > > a blue background!).
> >
> > What you describe is true of approximately half of the states. Why so
> > many states can't come up with anything better than a state seal on a
> > blue background is beyond me. (And why is it almost always blue?) It
> > really makes me appreciate the states that have managed to come up
> > with other flags.
>
> non-rectangular (it's a shape known as a "swallow-tail").
The reason many states use the same blue is that it is the same blue as on
the canton of the U.S. flag where the stars representing each state are.
Bob Johnson
Market Street) wrote:
>I'd like to think that Pennsylvania would join its neghbors in placing
>registration decals on the inside of the windshield, but since the
>sticker-theft problem appears to be confined to Philadelphia, there's no
>real consideration being given to this, AFAIK.
The joke for most of us who grew up in Pennsylvania but not in
Philadelphia was that we would gladly cede the city to New Jersey if
they would take it. The purpose was to improve both states.
Bob Johnson
BCBA
>
> NJ has a similar spot on its *current* license plates, which is doubly odd
> because NJ has used windshield decals for quite some time now.
>
> PA, OTOH, still uses license-plate stickers -- and the NYS folks were right
> to not use them: theft of registration tags is a problem in Philadelphia
> (preferred method: snip the corner containing the sticker off the license
> plate; alternate: remove the entire end of the plate that contains the
> sticker). AFAICT, neither the old nor the new Pennsylvania plates have a
> clearly marked corner for the stickers -- new plates have "T" stickers
> already affixed to their lower left corners. These stickers allow you to
> drive the car for 30 days while insurance is obtained; PA law requires all
> cars to have insurance to be registered. This law appears to be spottily
> enforced in Philadelphia as well. Taken together, these practices help
> contribute to the city's high insurance rates.
>
> registration decals on the inside of the windshield, but since the
> sticker-theft problem appears to be confined to Philadelphia, there's no
> real consideration being given to this, AFAIK.
>
in addition to the registration sticker on the license plate, PA also
has windshield stickers for the lower corner on the driver's side. All
cars must have an annual safety inspection sticker; several urban areas
must also have an emissions inspection sticker. larger trucks have a
weight class sticker.
the 2-digit year is printed on the base sticker and number of the month
is a separate sticker applied to the base before the sticker is affixed
to the inside of the glass.
the month number for inspection must match the month number on the
license plate sticker.
so add to that an EZ-PASS sticker, a parking pass, a resident or student
ID sticker, and an insurance sticker (i don't have any of those...but an
insurance sticker would be a practical idea...) and you'll be soon
looking out of a little slit...
what other stickers are required in other states? and where are they
affixed?
--bruce cridlebaugh
S.D. Rhodes
> > > > the state seal and flag (in fact, the latter is just the former on
> > > > a blue background!).
> > >
> > > What you describe is true of approximately half of the states. Why so
> > > many states can't come up with anything better than a state seal on a
> > > blue background is beyond me. (And why is it almost always blue?) It
> > > really makes me appreciate the states that have managed to come up
> > > with other flags.
>
> use this design.
True, and I blame them for having started this pathetic trend. :-)
Seriously, the flags like this just aren't terribly creative IMO,
regardless of how old or new they may be.
S.D. Rhodes
> the canton of the U.S. flag where the stars representing each state are.
My original point, though, was that they're using any shade of blue to
begin with. I just checked at http://www.law.ou.edu/stflag1.html, and
here's what I found regarding state flags:
There are 22 states whose flag is nothing more than the state seal on a
blue background. There are six more whose flag is the state seal on
some other solid background, three whose flag is the state seal on some
form of pattern, and two others who have a basic design other than a
state seal on a blue background. That leaves only sixteen states whose
flag involves neither a state seal nor a blue background. The list of
states doing this is Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California,
Colorado, Hawaii, Iowa, Maryland, Mississippi, New Mexico, North
Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, and Texas. A lot of these are
quite nice designs IMO: I'm especially fond of Alaska, Arizona,
Maryland, and Tennessee's flag. Maryland is my favorite but I admit to
a possible bias here. :-)
Several states also put the state's name or initials on the flag.
Here's a hint, guys: If you'd come up with a more unique flag, you
wouldn't need to do that!
And while I'm at it with the useless state flag trivia: There are three
states who have incorporated the flag of another country which at one
time has been at war into their state flags. There is also a fourth
state whose state flag is identical to the flag of a former country,
although for fairly obvious reasons (the country in question later
became the state in question).
FranCurcio
In article <smiths-ya02408000...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
smi...@pobox.upenn.edu (Exile on Market Street) writes:
>> They had "NEW YORK" at the bottom, no slogan. They were made with the
>> outline of a rectangle in one corner for an annual registration
>> sticker that was never used -- NY put it on the windshield instead.
>
>NJ has a similar spot on its *current* license plates, which is doubly odd
>because NJ has used windshield decals for quite some time now.
I believe in NJ the rectangle is only on commercial plates and other special
type plates. I've registered almost 2 dozen passange vehicles in NJ over the
last 40 years, and I've never had one of those rectangles on the plates. This
also says that NJ has been using windshield stickers for a long time - must go
back to the mid-50s.
NJ just introduced a second windshield sticker. It has gone from annual state
inspections to alternate year inspections. The original windshield sticker is
color coded as to year with a large black digit giving the month of
registration expiration. The second sticker, fraction of the size, is also
color coded, says "Inspection extended to 1999" or "to 2000" depending on
odd-even model years. In other words odd model years require state inspection
in odd years and even in even.
Regards,
Frank
Patrick L. Humphrey
>Patrick L. Humphrey wrote:
>>The theft problem is why Texas began placing the registrations inside the
>>windshield back in 1995 -- plus the fact that under state law, theft of a
>>license-plate sticker was a misdemeanor, but to get the windshield sticker
>>requires breaking in, and that's a felony. It seems to have worked down here,
>>but even since the first stickerless plates began showing up at the start of
>>1995, the plates still have two corners for the stickers. Those two 1-by-2
>>spots are used as places for personal creativity by an increasing number of
>>motorists, these days.
>Florida still uses stickers, and I have never heard of sticker theft, or plate
>stealing. Florida also issues highly reflective plates every 5 years, and you
>will get a new one, like it or not. The stickers are practically irremovable
>from the plate or the sticker you have to lay it on, and the police do keep
>an eye on them. Stickers also have thier own serial numbers, and a specific
>color for each year.
Plate theft never was much of a problem in Texas, as far as I know -- but when
proof of insurance became mandatory for renewing registrations and getting the
sticker, that's when sticker theft became a problem, and in 1993, it was
pretty bad. Currently, Texas plates have an eight-year life span, and DMV
track the plate's age -- but plate stickers _are_ still used on certain
plates that would be placed on conveyances that wouldn't have a windshield,
like trailers and (for some reason) motorcycles. The plate stickers, by some
coincidence, have pretty closely followed the color of the winsdhield stickers
since 1995 -- 1995 expires were blue on white, 1996 was black on yellow. 1997
was an exception, with the plate stickers being white on green, while the
windshields were black on light green, but 1998 and 1999 have returned to form
-- but the 2000 windshield sticker is a light background of a Texas flag,
while the plate stickers are white on green.
If you're in traffic, you'll notice some of the older plates still sport the
1994 stickers that were the last issued, but those plates will all have been
retired by the end of 2002.
--PLH, who was hoping to build up a stack of stickers on his plates, but the
windshield sticker plan and the eight-year age limit foiled that
Brandon M. Gorte
: > The reason many states use the same blue is that it is the same blue as on
Let's see, for the first part, Georgia, Mississippi (Confederacy), Hawaii
(Britian).
Then, for the second, Texas.
Kyle Levenhagen
>
> S.D. Rhodes <rho...@ipass.net> wrote:
> : And while I'm at it with the useless state flag trivia: There are three
> : states who have incorporated the flag of another country which at one
> : time has been at war into their state flags. There is also a fourth
> : state whose state flag is identical to the flag of a former country,
> : although for fairly obvious reasons (the country in question later
> : became the state in question).
>
> Let's see, for the first part, Georgia, Mississippi (Confederacy), Hawaii
> (Britian).
>
> Then, for the second, Texas.
More useless trivia: The Texas flag is the only one allowed to fly at
the same height as the U.S. flag because of the fact that it was once a
republic.
Kyle
Bob Goudreau
: in addition to the registration sticker on the license plate, PA also
: has windshield stickers for the lower corner on the driver's side. All
: cars must have an annual safety inspection sticker; several urban areas
: must also have an emissions inspection sticker. larger trucks have a
: weight class sticker.
: the 2-digit year is printed on the base sticker and number of the month
: is a separate sticker applied to the base before the sticker is affixed
: to the inside of the glass.
: the month number for inspection must match the month number on the
: license plate sticker.
: so add to that an EZ-PASS sticker, a parking pass, a resident or student
: ID sticker, and an insurance sticker (i don't have any of those...but an
: insurance sticker would be a practical idea...) and you'll be soon
: looking out of a little slit...
: what other stickers are required in other states? and where are they
: affixed?
North Carolina is almost exactly the same, except that there is no
separate emissions sticker. License plates have a month sticker in
the upper left corner (used to be the first 3 letters of the month,
but several years ago it changed to the month number), and an annual
registration sticker (which changes color every year) on the upper
right corner. The annual vehicle inspection sticker is, like
Pennsylvania's, in the lower driver-side corner of the windshield.
Counties that require emissions testing as part of their inspection
(basically, the most populous ones) get a slightly different two-tone
inspection sticker in place of the normal one, and a higher inspection
fee.
J.P. Kirby
nwp...@student.berklee.edu wrote:
>
> Unique among states, anyway. The flag of Nepal is in the shape of two stacked
> triangles. The flags of Scandinavian nations have swallow-tail shapes in
> certain applications. The flag of Saudi Arabia is unique (I believe) in that
> if you are looking at the front of the flag, the flagpole is on your right.
>
When the Saudi Arabia flag is flown, there are usually two flags stiched
together, so that the Arabic inscription on the flag is legible from both
sides*. I believe one of the western states of the USA (OR?) has a
double-sided flag too.
(BTW, many provinces in Canada "mold" the shield part of the provincial coat
of arms into rectangular form.)
*Unfortunately to me, no Arabic inscription is legible, backwards or
otherwise. :-)
J.P. Kirby http://members.xoom.com/jpkirby
B r a d C u p p y
>
> BCBA (sys...@prisma-graphicdesign.com) wrote:
>
>> [ SNIP - PA has lic. plate sticker, a sticker for safety inspection
>> and a separate sticker for emissions test ]
>
> [ SNIP - NC having one sticker, solid color for safety inspection,
> 2 tone color for safety & emissions sticker, lic. plate sticker
> and color schemes ]
>
>
Here in Colorado, our stickers are on the plates. A separate Year
and Month sticker in the lower corners. They have used plate stickers
with a white background for years but for the Yr 2000 expiration, they
use Red background with black year number for emissions areas and use
Yellow background with a black year number for non-emissions areas.
We have windshield stickers for the emissions test. The test areas are
the front range counties and Pitkin county which includes Aspen CO. The
Denver metro area uses the IM240 dyno emissions test and the stickers
have a "E" and the other emissions counties use "B" which is a simple
tailpipe test.
I e-mailed members of the state legislature and Department of Revenue
to suggest that the windshield sticker be eliminated and base the test
on the color of the year stickers. In Colorado, if you live in a
non-emissions area but commute or go to school in an emissions area,
you have to get the emissions test. One color would be for not having
the test and a different color if you had the test which would replace
the need for a windshield sticker.
A couple of years ago, there was talk of requiring a window sticker
for proof of insurance and I called a member of the transportation
committee and mentioned that we don't need more damn stickers on
our windows. NY and TX comes into mind with 2 stickers. Safety
inspection and Registration stickers.
Being from Indiana, we have no windshield stickers except for the
safety inspection which was repealed in 1981. There are stickers for
the emissions test areas such as by Chicago and down by Louisville.
In Kentucky, there wasInsurance Stickers that went on the back window.
A pain if you had aftermarket tinted windows since removal of the
sticker usually damaged the tint.
Brad
Exile on Market Street
(Mark Roberts) wrote:
> Missouri registration -- new or renewal -- is a big fat carbuncle
> on the butt: [...] but the one good thing in
> all that is that proof of insurance has been required
> in Missouri since 1997.
Are Missouri registration stickers still long rectangles that you mount
between the two groups of letters and numbers?
Position-wise, that's just about the best place to put them to deter
plate-snippers. Tag-scrapers are another story.
I'll lay good odds that tag-scraping has risen in the Show-Me State -- or
at least in St.L and KC -- since '97.
ze...@magicnet.net
Humphrey) wrote:
> --PLH, who was hoping to build up a stack of stickers on his plates, but the
> windshield sticker plan and the eight-year age limit foiled that
I can see it now..a pile of stickers so high that it acts like one of
those rubber bumber guards that were popular back in the 60s! People would
have sticker envy...as people are lined up at the red light or in traffic,
they would look over and compare the height, of the other guys sticker
pile. I know, I have a wild imagination!
--
If only we knew that money is only an idea. There is no scarcity or loss connected to it. Nothing cost anything.
Patrick L. Humphrey
>In article <szkn225...@dillinger.io.com>, pat...@io.com (Patrick L.
>Humphrey) wrote:
>> --PLH, who was hoping to build up a stack of stickers on his plates, but the
>> windshield sticker plan and the eight-year age limit foiled that
>I can see it now..a pile of stickers so high that it acts like one of
>those rubber bumber guards that were popular back in the 60s! People would
>have sticker envy...as people are lined up at the red light or in traffic,
>they would look over and compare the height, of the other guys sticker
>pile. I know, I have a wild imagination!
Nice idea, but it would require (1) repealing the eight-year limit on plates,
(2) some pretty major advances in medical technology to extend the average
lifespan to quite a few centuries, and (3) thicker stickers than are being
used now...:-)
--PLH, 1 and 3 are possible, 2 is gonna take a bit of work
Rich Carlson
<leve...@NOSPAM.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Well, then wouldn't the same rule apply to Vermont, Hawaii, and California
as well, since they were once independant nations?
J.P. and Earl
>In article <36D276...@prisma-graphicdesign.com>,
>sys...@prisma-graphicdesign.com wrote:
>
>
>>
>> what other stickers are required in other states? and where are they
>> affixed?
>>
>
>Florida has a sticker for the year, and another one for the month. The
>month is the birthday month. Wonder how many people have walked up to a
>total stranger and wished them a hapy birthday after seing the month on
>the sticker is the current month?
In New York, there are two stickers in the lower driver side corner (as
we've discussed). I think it was 1985 that they switched to computer
printed registration stickers, before that it was just a hole punch in the
correct month, and the year was printed on the sticker. The first computer
printed registration stickers just had the number of the month printed, and
the color of the sticker indicated the year (and matched the inspection
sticker). Then, New York switched to using just white registration
stickers, and the computer prints the month and the last two digits of the
year on the sticker. Only the outside of the sticker is sticky, the
computer prints on a non-sticky area.
There are now three versions of the inspection sticker (I believe). One is
the New York/Long Island inspection sticker that includes emissions testing.
It's computer printed much like the registration sticker, with the border
color indicating the year.
The second is the upstate New York emissions/inspection sticker for any car
over two years old. It's a solid color that indicates the year and is not
computer printed, but the old hole punch through the month and the odometer
reading written on the back.
The last is the upstate New York inspection sticker for cars younger than
two years old... no emissions testing necessary, it's the same color as the
others (for the year) with a white circle in the middle and a hole punch
through the month. All upstate cars had this sticker 'til about 2 years
ago.
J.P. Wing
Dyche Anderson
>
(deleted)
> what other stickers are required in other states? and where are they
> affixed?
>
> --bruce cridlebaugh
Michigan recently (1998) went from two stickers to one. Before this year, there were year
and month (of your birthday) stickers on the license plate (we only have a rear plate).
Now they are combined into one sticker, in the form MM-YY, with the month larger than the
year. It resides where the year sticker used to, in the upper right hand corner of the
plate. They also have your plate number on the sticker.
Indiana recently (three years ago) went from three stickers to two. Indiana had a year
sticker in the upper right, a month (based on the first letter of your last name) sticker
in the upper left, and a county sticker in the lower right. The county sticker was
eliminated. However, unless you have a personalized or special (common in IN) plate, your
county can be determined by the first two digits of your license plate number. Adams
county got #1, Allen #2, etc. up to 92. The numbers 93-99 are assigned to Marion
(Indianapolis) and Lake (Gary etc.) counties, which need the additional numbers. In fact,
in Indiana you can even tell which license branch (the term that is used there) you
purchased your plate from, by the letter in the plate.
Dyche Anderson
Phillip Wolff
> between the two groups of letters and numbers?
>
Nope...they're a little colored sticker (pink for '99, yellow for '00) that
goes in the lower right-hand corner.
Phillip Wolff
Michael G. Koerner
>
> ze...@magicnet.net wrote in message ...
> >In article <36D276...@prisma-graphicdesign.com>,
> >sys...@prisma-graphicdesign.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> affixed?
> >>
> >> --bruce cridlebaugh
Howabout more obscure plate issuing authorities. There was a bit of
local 'fanfare' recently surrounding the Oneida Indain tribe (a sizable
one in the Green Bay, WI area) beginning to issue their own license
plates. These are a fairly unique, readable design, but it only says
'ONEIDA NATION' for the issuing authority (*NO* mention of 'Wisconsin').
The two other Wisconsin tribes that issue plates (the Menomonees in NE
Wisconsin and the Ojibwes in far northern Wisconsin) include 'WIS' or
'WISCONSIN' on their plates. How much of a problem could this create if
the New York Oneidas would do likewise and issue a plate with no state name?
FranCurcio
Boy, oh boy, oh boy - my brain and my fingers were in different time zones
when I typed and sent article <19990223110623...@ngol05.aol.com>,
>>
>>NJ has a similar spot on its *current* license plates, which is doubly odd
>>because NJ has used windshield decals for quite some time now.
>
>I believe in NJ the rectangle is only on commercial plates and other special
>type plates. I've registered almost 2 dozen passange vehicles in NJ over the
>last 40 years, and I've never had one of those rectangles on the plates.
>
Here's what my *brain* wanted to say.
I believe in NJ the small plate rectangle is *used* only on commercial plates
and some other special plates. I've never had a sticker on any of my passanger
car plates in over 40 years. I have seen them and still see them - the plate
stickers that is - in NJ.
20 years ago commercial plates had to be recertified commercial each year. I'm
not sure that is still the case. The rectangle was used a lot in those days.
Fleet vehicles used the stickers on the plates , too - they also had to have
the plate recertified each year. Certain buses *still* use the plate
stickers - I've seen orange 99 stickers on the plates of shuttle-type mini
buses.
I hope my brain is communicating with my fingers now.
Regards,
Frank
ze...@magicnet.net
>
> what other stickers are required in other states? and where are they
> affixed?
>
> --bruce cridlebaugh
Florida has a sticker for the year, and another one for the month. The
Alan Hamilton
wrote:
>The trick to preserving your license plate stickers from theft is to apply
>them to the plate, then take a sharp razor and slice them into small
>shreds. They will remain on the plate just fine, and if someone trys to
>take it off it will come off in small unusable chunks.
I doubt the Arizona stickers could be peeled off intact, anyway. The
preferred method is to snip off the entire corner of the plate.
Trimmed to the size of the sticker and pasted on another plate, the
patch job is unnoticeable from a distance.
--
/
/ * / Alan Hamilton
* * al...@primenet.com
Arizona Roads -- http://www.primenet.com/~alanh/road/
No ads, popups or watermarks ever
Bob Goudreau
: Florida has a sticker for the year, and another one for the month. The
: month is the birthday month. Wonder how many people have walked up to a
: total stranger and wished them a hapy birthday after seing the month on
: the sticker is the current month?
What does the birthday month of the owner have to do with the
registration anniversary of the vehicle? What about a car with
joint owners -- would they use August (my birth month) or January
(my wife's birth month) for our cars?
ze...@magicnet.net
Goudreau) wrote:
> ze...@magicnet.net wrote:
>
> : Florida has a sticker for the year, and another one for the month. The
> : month is the birthday month. Wonder how many people have walked up to a
> : total stranger and wished them a hapy birthday after seing the month on
> : the sticker is the current month?
>
> What does the birthday month of the owner have to do with the
> registration anniversary of the vehicle? What about a car with
> joint owners -- would they use August (my birth month) or January
> (my wife's birth month) for our cars?
I know it is strange, but no matter what month the car was first
registered in, the renewel is on the birthday month. Regarding 2 names on
the registration, I believe it is the birthday month of the 1st name
printed on the title.
ze...@magicnet.net
<mgki...@diaitaeixii.com> wrote:
> Howabout more obscure plate issuing authorities. There was a bit of
> local 'fanfare' recently surrounding the Oneida Indain tribe (a sizable
> one in the Green Bay, WI area) beginning to issue their own license
> plates. These are a fairly unique, readable design, but it only says
> 'ONEIDA NATION' for the issuing authority (*NO* mention of 'Wisconsin').
> The two other Wisconsin tribes that issue plates (the Menomonees in NE
> Wisconsin and the Ojibwes in far northern Wisconsin) include 'WIS' or
> 'WISCONSIN' on their plates. How much of a problem could this create if
> the New York Oneidas would do likewise and issue a plate with no state name?
Very interesting. Wonder if there are any other tribes that issue their
own plates?
Russell Blau
n9...@theramp.net (Rich Carlson) wrote:
> In article <36D2FC...@NOSPAM.uiuc.edu>, Kyle Levenhagen
> <leve...@NOSPAM.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> > More useless trivia: The Texas flag is the only one allowed to fly at
> > the same height as the U.S. flag because of the fact that it was once a
> > republic.
> >
> > Kyle
>
> Well, then wouldn't the same rule apply to Vermont, Hawaii, and California
> as well, since they were once independant nations?
First, I think the bit about the Texas flag is an urban legend. Second,
Vermont and California were never recognized as independent by the U.S. or by
any other country; Texas and Hawaii were.
D Outen
Dyche Anderson wrote in message <36D386B8...@mediaone.net>...
>Michigan recently (1998) went from two stickers to one. Before this
year, there were year
>and month (of your birthday) stickers on the license plate (we only
have a rear plate).
>Now they are combined into one sticker, in the form MM-YY, with the
month larger than the
>year. It resides where the year sticker used to, in the upper right
hand corner of the
>plate. They also have your plate number on the sticker.
>
I haven't figured out why it's done, but they are still issuing some
stickers with just the year on it. Perhaps to clear out the supply.
Don't be surprised to find year only stickers on plates used on vehicles
other than private individuals cars and light trucks.
Oh and BTW. You don't have the white on blue plate do you? The
year tag goes in the lower right corner on those :-)
Dave
Who wonders just how many more year stickers his plate will take before
falling off due to the weight(16 and counting)
BCBA
>
> [message edited]
>
> Oh and BTW. You don't have the white on blue plate do you? The
> year tag goes in the lower right corner on those :-)
>
> Dave
>
> Who wonders just how many more year stickers his plate will take before
> falling off due to the weight(16 and counting)
for years PA had a debossed rectangular area on each of the upper
corners of the license plate...to guide people in proper placement of
the registration sticker.
when you get the plate is has a "T" sticker (temporary until your
vehicle registration is first processed). Then you receive a
registration card (now a sheet of paper with a barcode) and a sticker
which shows the MM-YY.
so you were supposed to put the first sticker over the "T" and then
alternate odd and even year stickers ever after...one on each upper
corner of the plate.
typically license plate frames would obscure the sticker, so some people
would put the sticker where they could...even right in the middle on the
bell or keystone separating the numbers!
others would place one sticker in each of the four corners.
the current plates have only one debossed rectangle, in the lower right
corner. and as always, you put your first sticker over the "T"...but
then put all other stickers exactly on top of the previous...so only one
should be showing.
well, folks still put 'em all over the place...some with a bit of habit
and nostalgia still alternate them in the upper corners...some put one
in each corner...some just don't know where to put them.
with the new PA redesign we'll all get a chance to start fresh...
--bruce cridlebaugh
Mark Roberts
| Mark Roberts wrote:
|
| > Missouri registration -- new or renewal -- is a big fat carbuncle
| > on the butt: [...] but the one good thing in
| > all that is that proof of insurance has been required
| > in Missouri since 1997.
|
| between the two groups of letters and numbers?
No, they're like many other states now: a tiny one in the right corner.
|
| I'll lay good odds that tag-scraping has risen in the Show-Me State -- or
| at least in St.L and KC -- since '97.
|
There was an epidemic of it in KC in 1994 -- I remember
official advisories to cut an X in the registration sticker to foil
such theft.
The other thing to note is that Missouri requires the registration
sticker on both front and back plates: which is not true for
Illinois or California, to name two other examples with which I am
familiar.
--
Mark Roberts | The above address is a spam sponge.
San Francisco | URL: http://www.tezcat.com/~markrobt/ (changing soon)
Garrett Wollman
Mark Roberts <mark...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The other thing to note is that Missouri requires the registration
>sticker on both front and back plates: which is not true for
>Illinois or California, to name two other examples with which I am
>familiar.
Vermont does, Massachusetts does not. (This makes sense when you
consider that Massachusetts did not replace all the single plates,
whereas Vermont did.) Since the new Mass. plates are identical front
and back, the front plate has a large rectangular spot on the corner
where the registration sticker would go. Currently, Mass.
registrations renew automatically every two years (provided they are
``in good standing''); there is some talk that the biennial
registration fee should be reintroduced as a way to raise revenue.
In both states, an additional inspection sticker is required on the
front windshield. In Vermont, this is attached in the blind spot in
front of the rear-view mirror; in Massachusetts it is in the lower
right-hand corner (in my car, right above the ``assembled with pride
by UAW local XXX, Kansas City'' sticker).
-GAWollman
--
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Kyle Levenhagen
>
> Very interesting. Wonder if there are any other tribes that issue their
> own plates?
Several. Most of them are in Minnesota and Oklahoma.
http://danshiki.oit.gatech.edu/~iadt3mk/usa/LP_USA_AI.html
Kyle
Exile on Market Street
<russ...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > In article <36D2FC...@NOSPAM.uiuc.edu>, Kyle Levenhagen
> > <leve...@NOSPAM.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > More useless trivia: The Texas flag is the only one allowed to fly at
> > > the same height as the U.S. flag because of the fact that it was once a
> > > republic.
[...]
>
> First, I think the bit about the Texas flag is an urban legend.
I'm sure it is. I regularly pass a site with three flagpoles of equal
height, flying, from left to right, the city, Commonwealth and U.S. flags.
I believe that the only rules governing the placement of the U.S. flag
relative to others are:
-- if all flags are flying on the same flagpole, the US flag flies highest;
-- if flags are flying each on its own pole, the US flag occupies the
rightmost pole (usually relative to the street or "exterior" view);
-- if flags are mounted on their own poles on a stage, dais or podium, the
US flag is placed stage right or on the dais'/podium's right side (wrt the
speaker);
--if a US flag is mounted as a backdrop on a wall or curtain behind a
podium, the union is placed on the speaker's right side.
Max Power
Russell Blau <russ...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:7b135r$m04$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
>In article <n9jig-23029...@56-ip-31.theramp.net>,
> n9...@theramp.net (Rich Carlson) wrote:
>> In article <36D2FC...@NOSPAM.uiuc.edu>, Kyle Levenhagen
>> <leve...@NOSPAM.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > More useless trivia: The Texas flag is the only one allowed to fly at
>> > the same height as the U.S. flag because of the fact that it was once a
>> > republic.
>> >
>>
>> Well, then wouldn't the same rule apply to Vermont, Hawaii, and
California
>> as well, since they were once independant nations?
I know about Texas, Hawaii and California, but when was Vermont an
independent country?
leopard
Max Power wrote in message <7b25jb$l21$1...@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
>I know about Texas, Hawaii and California, but when was Vermont an
>independent country?
Vermont was an independent between Canada (Great Britain at the time) and
the United States sometime between the end of the revolution (1783) till
1797 (don't know off hand if it become a state before or after Kentucky and
Tennessee. It diffidently was a state before Ohio in 1803). Gist of it
was, they soon came to their senses that they were to small to survive on
their own so they joined up with the United States.
Now would someone enlighten me on when California was a separate country? I
thought they were Spanish - Mexican - U.S.
SJG
bt...@bright.net - home
guly...@osu.edu - all things geographic at Ohio State
Dyche Anderson
>
> [message edited]
> >Michigan recently (1998) went from two stickers to one. Before this
> year, there were year
> >and month (of your birthday) stickers on the license plate (we only
> have a rear plate).
> >Now they are combined into one sticker, in the form MM-YY, with the
> month larger than the
> >year. It resides where the year sticker used to, in the upper right
> hand corner of the
> >plate. They also have your plate number on the sticker.
> >
> >Dyche Anderson
>
> I haven't figured out why it's done, but they are still issuing some
> stickers with just the year on it. Perhaps to clear out the supply.
> Don't be surprised to find year only stickers on plates used on vehicles
> other than private individuals cars and light trucks.
>
> year tag goes in the lower right corner on those :-)
>
> Dave
>
> Who wonders just how many more year stickers his plate will take before
> falling off due to the weight(16 and counting)
Nope. One Auto Centennial plate and one Mackinac Bridge plate - those white on blue ones
are ugly. The extra five bucks is well worth it. Even my dad ("I'll never pay extra for
license plates") spent the extra money (it's a one-time deal).
Dyche Anderson
Garrett Wollman
Max Power <onlyjoex_at_ea...@NO.SPAM> wrote:
>I know about Texas, Hawaii and California, but when was Vermont an
>independent country?
Between the Treaty of Paris in 1783 (which ended the Revolutionary
War) and passage of the bill on March 4, 1791, admitting Vermont as
the fourteenth state.
During this period, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and New York all
made conflicting claims on parts of Vermont; however, none exercised
any governing authority. Vermont would have joined earlier, but under
the new Constitution those three states had to first relinquish their
claims before Vermont could be admitted.
The current Vermont Constitution dates to 1914; I did not see any
convenient Web references to older constitutions which might better
reflect the history. (This is complicated even in recent times by the
fact that the State Supreme Court is authorized to redact the official
text of the Constitution pursuant to amendments, so unlike the Federal
Constitution, there is not even that amount of legislative history
visible in the document. I found it interesting reading, though,
particular as to how it refers to Vermont as a ``state'' in several
places, a ``commonwealth'' in several other places, and a ``state or
commonwealth'' in one place. See LII for a pointer.)
Russell Blau
"leopard" <bt...@bright.net> wrote:
>
> Max Power wrote in message <7b25jb$l21$1...@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> >
> >independent country?
> Now would someone enlighten me on when California was a separate country? I
> thought they were Spanish - Mexican - U.S.
I don't know the details, but during the Mexican War some American settlers
in northern California declared "independence" and ran up the "bear flag"
which is still the California state flag (it even says "California Republic"
on it). If I recall correctly, they were supported by U.S. troops. The area
was officially ceded by Mexico to the U.S. by the Treaty of Guadeloupe
Hidalgo in 1848. The "independent" government of California was never
recognized as such by the U.S., and probably didn't even have much _de facto_
authority since it relied on the U.S. Army to maintain control of the
territory.
bigtv...@hotmail.com
"D Outen" <NOTd...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> I haven't figured out why it's done, but they are still issuing some
> stickers with just the year on it. Perhaps to clear out the supply.
Michigan went from pre-printed stickers kept in stock (the individual month
and year stickers) to stickers prepared on blank stock with a laser printer
at each Secretary of State office (which handles vehicle registrations in
Michigan). The laser printer technology allows for the plate number to be
applied to the sticker, which helps in tracking conterfeit and stolen
stickers. Before each banch office was equipped with the printers, they
issued the old-style sticker (year only) until the individual office had the
printers installed. So you will have some of the 99 stickers in each style,
but all of the 00 stickers will be the new style.
What looks odd is the new style plates with the upper left corner that says
MONTH when the month stickers are no longer issued. You would think they could
offer a blank blue sticker to cover that up.
Tom Ketchum
Bronson, MI
Exile on Market Street
> Now would someone enlighten me on when California was a separate country? I
> thought they were Spanish - Mexican - U.S.
"Bear Flag Republic", 1849-50. Note the *text* on the California state
flag. More fallout from the Mexican-American War.
Dyche Anderson
>
> Michigan went from pre-printed stickers kept in stock (the individual month
> and year stickers) to stickers prepared on blank stock with a laser printer
> at each Secretary of State office (which handles vehicle registrations in
> Michigan). The laser printer technology allows for the plate number to be
> applied to the sticker, which helps in tracking conterfeit and stolen
> stickers. Before each banch office was equipped with the printers, they
> issued the old-style sticker (year only) until the individual office had the
> printers installed. So you will have some of the 99 stickers in each style,
> but all of the 00 stickers will be the new style.
>
> What looks odd is the new style plates with the upper left corner that says
> MONTH when the month stickers are no longer issued. You would think they could
> offer a blank blue sticker to cover that up.
I have one of those (the exposed MONTH, not the sticker). You would need two sticker
types, one for the blue plate and one for the Bridge plate. I would expect that future
runs of plates will not have the "month" on them.
Dyche Anderson
Sawblade05
>From: hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa or Jeff)
>Date: 2/18/99 9:20 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <7aila8$b...@netaxs.com>
>
>> white". I always liked yellow on blue better than blue on yellow. In fact,
>> yellow on blue should have been the permanent coloring of the PA plate from
>the
>> start. it looks better and it is more visible.
>
>Disagree. I like the yellow background better since it gives additional
>rear-end reflection protection for a parked car.
>
>
>> Why did they have a policy of
>> alternating between yellow on blue and blue on yellow?
>
>Probably just to be clear about what the current generation of plate
>stock was, and not to be boring.
>
>
>> In any case, I think it was high time that PA got new plates.
Considering
>how
>> most other states have completely differnt designs from what they had 10
>years
>> ago, it was about time that PA replaced the old yellow on blue (around
>since
>> the early 80's).
>
>Why change? If it works leave it alone. A license plate is a functional
>item. I always thought modern plates, with their script lettering,
>background pictures, etc., were silly.
>
>And they should stick with "Keystone State". NJ is the "Garden State",
>NY is the "Empire State", FL is the "Sunshine State", CA is the "Golden
>State", DE is the "First State", etc.
>
I know at one time Kansas had Licence Plates cutout into the shape of the State
of Kansas before the picture style in the 80's and the non cutout style in the
70's which had the state shape but it wassn't cutout.
Christopher G. Knight, Kansas City, KS
South Of Sawblade Route 5 (Kansas 5)
sawb...@kansas-city.crosswinds.net
Remove I99 from existence when repling to me.
Coming soon Kansas City Area Highway Page and Exit Guide (later)
Steve Riner
>ze...@magicnet.net wrote:
>>
>> Very interesting. Wonder if there are any other tribes that issue their
>> own plates?
>
>Several. Most of them are in Minnesota and Oklahoma.
>
Specifically (MN): Red Lake, Mille Lacs, White Earth and Fond du Lac bands
of Chippewa. Seems to me the major Dakota bands in southern Minnesota
(Prairie Island and Mdewakanton (Prior Lake) bands) don't, though someone
could prove me wrong.
It's always surprised me the Navajo don't issue plates, given their numbers
and the size of their homeland.
--
Steve Riner
Columbia Heights MN
Explore Minnesota Highways of the past and present at:
http://www.frontiernet.net/~riner/main_hwy.htm
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ze...@magicnet.net
<ri...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> It's always surprised me the Navajo don't issue plates, given their numbers
> and the size of their homeland.
>
> --
> Steve Riner
> Columbia Heights MN
>
> Explore Minnesota Highways of the past and present at:
> http://www.frontiernet.net/~riner/main_hwy.htm
I was thinking the exact same thing.
apo...@step.mother.com
: time has been at war into their state flags. There is also a fourth
: state whose state flag is identical to the flag of a former country,
: although for fairly obvious reasons (the country in question later
: became the state in question).
Would this be Mississippi and the CSA?
James D. Umbach | apostle (at) mother.com
Citrus Heights, California | www.mother.com/~apostle
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apo...@step.mother.com
: Now would someone enlighten me on when California was a separate country? I
: thought they were Spanish - Mexican - U.S.
Perhaps you are referring to John Fremont and the Bear Flag Revolt.
S.D. Rhodes
> : states who have incorporated the flag of another country which at one
> : state whose state flag is identical to the flag of a former country,
> : although for fairly obvious reasons (the country in question later
> : became the state in question).
>
> (Britian).
>
> Then, for the second, Texas.
Bingo.
Does anyone else here read The Onion? They recently had a "headline"
about changes to the Georgia state flag. IMO, it was a riot.
Adam Newman
I love The Onion, but don't recall that particular article. Here's one
of my favorites, though, and it's even kind of on topic: Midwest Peace
Talks Shattered By Illinois Toll-Booth Bombing
http://www.theonion.com/onion3415/midwest_peace_talks.html
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