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H.B. Elkins
Apr 18, 2013, 11:09:27 AM4/18/13
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Two days without any new posts. Granted, I have a lot of idiots killfiled, but
still.
It's a shame, too, as m.t.r. remains my all-time favorite road forum.
RIP to a once-great newsgroup.
--
To reply by e-mail, remove the "restrictorplate"
still.
It's a shame, too, as m.t.r. remains my all-time favorite road forum.
RIP to a once-great newsgroup.
--
To reply by e-mail, remove the "restrictorplate"
Chairman Obama
Apr 18, 2013, 12:14:15 PM4/18/13
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"H.B. Elkins" <hbe...@gmail.com.restrictorplate> wrote in message
news:kkp2b...@drn.newsguy.com...
> Two days without any new posts. Granted, I have a lot of idiots killfiled,
> but
> still.
>
> It's a shame, too, as m.t.r. remains my all-time favorite road forum.
>
> RIP to a once-great newsgroup.
I blame the influx of teenagers who showed up around 2000. Some of them
> but
> still.
>
> It's a shame, too, as m.t.r. remains my all-time favorite road forum.
>
> RIP to a once-great newsgroup.
have gone on to be respected members of the community, but they ruined the
group.
jgar the jorrible
Apr 18, 2013, 1:57:33 PM4/18/13
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On Apr 18, 9:14 am, "Chairman Obama" <ob...@mao.com> wrote:
> "H.B. Elkins" <hbek...@gmail.com.restrictorplate> wrote in message
You don't think usenet has suffered from the explosion and
fragmentation technology has engendered?
All newsgroups and fora go through lifecycles. They are the sum of
their users. Some have been killed by spammers, some by invading
hordes (Meow!), some by other shiny things acting like the Pied Piper.
Some have come back to life by the miracle of a few people deciding to
use net.
jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
“..go out into the middle of the road and put their hands up like
Darth Vader” http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/apr/17/san-marcos-traffic-stopping-speeders/
> "H.B. Elkins" <hbek...@gmail.com.restrictorplate> wrote in message
fragmentation technology has engendered?
All newsgroups and fora go through lifecycles. They are the sum of
their users. Some have been killed by spammers, some by invading
hordes (Meow!), some by other shiny things acting like the Pied Piper.
Some have come back to life by the miracle of a few people deciding to
use net.
jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
“..go out into the middle of the road and put their hands up like
Darth Vader” http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/apr/17/san-marcos-traffic-stopping-speeders/
richard
Apr 18, 2013, 2:29:26 PM4/18/13
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On 18 Apr 2013 08:09:27 -0700, H.B. Elkins wrote:
> Two days without any new posts. Granted, I have a lot of idiots killfiled, but
> still.
>
> It's a shame, too, as m.t.r. remains my all-time favorite road forum.
>
> RIP to a once-great newsgroup.
It's not the group per se, it's all of usenet.
> Two days without any new posts. Granted, I have a lot of idiots killfiled, but
> still.
>
> It's a shame, too, as m.t.r. remains my all-time favorite road forum.
>
> RIP to a once-great newsgroup.
Major ISP's dropped the service after NY AG Cuomo threatened to take action
against them "For harboring child pornography".
Since the service was free, most just never bothered to sign up for paid
services.
Where MTR has seen only like 4 new threads in a week, MTT hasn't seen any
in over 2 weeks.
Larry Sheldon
Apr 18, 2013, 6:23:25 PM4/18/13
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On 4/18/2013 10:09 AM, H.B. Elkins wrote:
> Two days without any new posts. Granted, I have a lot of idiots killfiled, but
> still.
I have ALL the idiots filtered off. Well, might have missed one.
> Two days without any new posts. Granted, I have a lot of idiots killfiled, but
> still.
The one thing worse than trolling is pointless trolling.
--
Idioten aangeboden. Gratis af te halen.
h/t Dagelijkse Standaard
Carl Rogers
Apr 18, 2013, 8:08:19 PM4/18/13
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On Apr 18, 8:09 am, H.B. Elkins <hbek...@gmail.com.restrictorplate>
wrote:
What's the matter? Does nobody want to RSVP to your roadmeets?
This newsgroup is not dead because you say it is, H.B. Individuals
have contributed to this newsgroup for well over a decade. They still
do. What has left, thankfully speaking, is the clubhouse mentality.
People previously clustered together and thought they were the
"definition" of how road geeks, road scholars, viatologists, etc.
should be. Morality was mixed in with science. Really, what did you
expect would happen? There is no such thing as an absolutist
morality. There were various ratpacks of people here somehow thought
otherwise. Instead of promoting thoughts about roads around the
country and the world, people were trying to create territories where
they were supposedly thought-leaders, including arbitrary definitions
of right and wrong. Don't deny it. I absolutely hated that period of
time and it wreaked havoc to all participating in this newsgroup.
Luckily social platforms like Facebook have taken the lonely souls
elsewhere. Well, most people. (There are still those who try to
create roadmeets on public newsgroups.)
The last decade was quite sophomoric. You had sects of individuals
who, despite their scientific skills to road studies, were overwhelmed
by their need to affiliate with others. They thought their methods
were the standard. This led to egotism, ostrasizing of others, and
the discouraging of information sharing. I hated it. I was indirectly
influenced by it. It was an unfortunate time. I am still here
because I value the objective exchange of viatological information.
For those who visit this newsgroup, viatology is the scientific study
of roads. (And welcome aboard, too!)
This newsgroup is back to its basics. It's all about exchange of
information. It's not about who you identify with. It's all about
people who love roads and want to share information about them.
I honestly don't care if you leave or stay. I don't care if you have
a killfile list as long as a phonebook. Honestly, I don't care if I'm
on your killfile. This post is far-reaching and is all about
inclusion. It's not about labeling people and categorising them.
Share objective information and maybe people will listen. If they
don't, at least you made a scientific contribution that others one day
can locate in a Google search. We are viatologists. Don't like that
term? Frankly, you can share it with the people who have replied to
your RSVP. Or perhaps you can whine about it on Facebook much like
the others who have done the same.
I am proud of the Worldwide Transportation Library, and the 20+
countries covered by volunteers who strictly love driving and want
others to do the same. I am also proud of those who aren't part of
the Worldwide Transportation Library but share scientific knowledge of
roads day in and day out.
To the future! MTR is alive and well.
Ciao,
Carl Rogers
"Environment first, transportology second"
********
Worldwide Transportation Library (WWTL):
http://wwtl.info
http://m.wwtl.info [Mobile]
+1 201.676.0185 [Press]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Complete coverage of international roads and railways.
Since 2000, we have offered several photographs, videos and
Virtual 360 captures -- to each viatologist & transportologist.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
********
wrote:
This newsgroup is not dead because you say it is, H.B. Individuals
have contributed to this newsgroup for well over a decade. They still
do. What has left, thankfully speaking, is the clubhouse mentality.
People previously clustered together and thought they were the
"definition" of how road geeks, road scholars, viatologists, etc.
should be. Morality was mixed in with science. Really, what did you
expect would happen? There is no such thing as an absolutist
morality. There were various ratpacks of people here somehow thought
otherwise. Instead of promoting thoughts about roads around the
country and the world, people were trying to create territories where
they were supposedly thought-leaders, including arbitrary definitions
of right and wrong. Don't deny it. I absolutely hated that period of
time and it wreaked havoc to all participating in this newsgroup.
Luckily social platforms like Facebook have taken the lonely souls
elsewhere. Well, most people. (There are still those who try to
create roadmeets on public newsgroups.)
The last decade was quite sophomoric. You had sects of individuals
who, despite their scientific skills to road studies, were overwhelmed
by their need to affiliate with others. They thought their methods
were the standard. This led to egotism, ostrasizing of others, and
the discouraging of information sharing. I hated it. I was indirectly
influenced by it. It was an unfortunate time. I am still here
because I value the objective exchange of viatological information.
For those who visit this newsgroup, viatology is the scientific study
of roads. (And welcome aboard, too!)
This newsgroup is back to its basics. It's all about exchange of
information. It's not about who you identify with. It's all about
people who love roads and want to share information about them.
I honestly don't care if you leave or stay. I don't care if you have
a killfile list as long as a phonebook. Honestly, I don't care if I'm
on your killfile. This post is far-reaching and is all about
inclusion. It's not about labeling people and categorising them.
Share objective information and maybe people will listen. If they
don't, at least you made a scientific contribution that others one day
can locate in a Google search. We are viatologists. Don't like that
term? Frankly, you can share it with the people who have replied to
your RSVP. Or perhaps you can whine about it on Facebook much like
the others who have done the same.
I am proud of the Worldwide Transportation Library, and the 20+
countries covered by volunteers who strictly love driving and want
others to do the same. I am also proud of those who aren't part of
the Worldwide Transportation Library but share scientific knowledge of
roads day in and day out.
To the future! MTR is alive and well.
Ciao,
Carl Rogers
"Environment first, transportology second"
********
Worldwide Transportation Library (WWTL):
http://wwtl.info
http://m.wwtl.info [Mobile]
+1 201.676.0185 [Press]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Complete coverage of international roads and railways.
Since 2000, we have offered several photographs, videos and
Virtual 360 captures -- to each viatologist & transportologist.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
********
H.B. Elkins
Apr 18, 2013, 9:02:43 PM4/18/13
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In article <3ceisvyqsoln$.1r1bm7l0cjq1h$.d...@40tude.net>, richard says...
>It's not the group per se, it's all of usenet.
>Major ISP's dropped the service after NY AG Cuomo threatened to take action
>against them "For harboring child pornography".
>Since the service was free, most just never bothered to sign up for paid
>services.
>Where MTR has seen only like 4 new threads in a week, MTT hasn't seen any
>in over 2 weeks.
I knew that the New York AG's actions had a lot to do with it (for some reason I
keep thinking it was Spitzer instead of Cuomo) because a lot of ISPs dropped
Usenet. I know BellSouth and AOL did, and AT&T (BellSouth) provided the Usenet
feed for a lot of ISPs. I don't read any of the other groups that I used to read
on a regular basis so I don't know if they've suffered the same fate as this
group or not.
>It's not the group per se, it's all of usenet.
>Major ISP's dropped the service after NY AG Cuomo threatened to take action
>against them "For harboring child pornography".
>Since the service was free, most just never bothered to sign up for paid
>services.
>Where MTR has seen only like 4 new threads in a week, MTT hasn't seen any
>in over 2 weeks.
keep thinking it was Spitzer instead of Cuomo) because a lot of ISPs dropped
Usenet. I know BellSouth and AOL did, and AT&T (BellSouth) provided the Usenet
feed for a lot of ISPs. I don't read any of the other groups that I used to read
on a regular basis so I don't know if they've suffered the same fate as this
group or not.
Arif Khokar
Apr 18, 2013, 11:08:04 PM4/18/13
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trolls from the political groups (which I notice affect this group from
time to time as well).
Basically, when the regular contributors to a newsgroup stop posting and
new posters don't take their place, the group pretty much dies. For
instance, I don't see any recent posts from Scott Kozel or John Lansford
(and who knows how many other former regular posters have stopped
posting over the last couple of years).
>
>
Harry K
Apr 19, 2013, 12:38:25 PM4/19/13
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On Apr 18, 6:02 pm, H.B. Elkins <hbek...@gmail.com.restrictorplate>
wrote:
> In article <3ceisvyqsoln$.1r1bm7l0cjq1h$....@40tude.net>, richard says...
Newsgrouips in all categories are dying. Soem are still hanging on
but the traffic is almost nil.
Harry K
wrote:
> In article <3ceisvyqsoln$.1r1bm7l0cjq1h$....@40tude.net>, richard says...
but the traffic is almost nil.
Harry K
Andrew M. Saucci, Jr.
Apr 19, 2013, 7:52:45 PM4/19/13
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It's a dirty job, but someone has to say it, and since so few of us
remain, I will step forward.
The newsgroup isn't quite dead yet-- but it's not at all well.
"H.B. Elkins" <hbe...@gmail.com.restrictorplate> wrote in message
news:kkp2b...@drn.newsguy.com...
remain, I will step forward.
The newsgroup isn't quite dead yet-- but it's not at all well.
"H.B. Elkins" <hbe...@gmail.com.restrictorplate> wrote in message
news:kkp2b...@drn.newsguy.com...
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Apr 20, 2013, 2:31:50 PM4/20/13
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On Apr 19, 7:52 pm, "Andrew M. Saucci, Jr." <spam-o...@saucci.local>
wrote:
> The newsgroup isn't quite dead yet-- but it's not at all well.
You are one of the very few people who post new stuff.
For the others, instead of bitching, why can't they post news reports
about new highway projects, new construction technologies, new road
technologies, etc.? Or, their experiences on a road trip?
wrote:
> The newsgroup isn't quite dead yet-- but it's not at all well.
For the others, instead of bitching, why can't they post news reports
about new highway projects, new construction technologies, new road
technologies, etc.? Or, their experiences on a road trip?
H.B. Elkins
Apr 22, 2013, 9:34:29 AM4/22/13
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Just for the record, we had 21 people in attendance at Ashland. This was very
close to a record attendance for such a gathering. The meet was publicized in
four other venues besides this newsgroup. Among the attendees was Tim Brown.
In article <2ed8bbf0-1075-4b73...@qc10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Carl Rogers says...
>
>On Apr 18, 8:09=A0am, H.B. Elkins <hbek...@gmail.com.restrictorplate>
>wrote:
>> Two days without any new posts. Granted, I have a lot of idiots killfiled=
close to a record attendance for such a gathering. The meet was publicized in
four other venues besides this newsgroup. Among the attendees was Tim Brown.
In article <2ed8bbf0-1075-4b73...@qc10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Carl Rogers says...
>
>On Apr 18, 8:09=A0am, H.B. Elkins <hbek...@gmail.com.restrictorplate>
>wrote:
>> Two days without any new posts. Granted, I have a lot of idiots killfiled=
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Apr 23, 2013, 12:20:52 PM4/23/13
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On Apr 18, 11:09 am, H.B. Elkins <hbek...@gmail.com.restrictorplate>
wrote:
> Two days without any new posts. Granted, I have a lot of idiots killfiled, but
> still.
> It's a shame, too, as m.t.r. remains my all-time favorite road forum.
> RIP to a once-great newsgroup.
So why don't you post some new stuff? Surely there are some
interesting road projects or travel experiences you could share.
wrote:
> Two days without any new posts. Granted, I have a lot of idiots killfiled, but
> still.
> It's a shame, too, as m.t.r. remains my all-time favorite road forum.
> RIP to a once-great newsgroup.
interesting road projects or travel experiences you could share.
Epstein's Mother
Apr 24, 2013, 12:06:55 PM4/24/13
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I've really had nothing of relevance to post. I moved in with Pokey in NYC over a year ago, dumping my car and my ex in the same stroke. I haven't gotten another car, since it's too expensive for petrol, insurance and parking, and there is adequate public transport available. That, and I work a lot of irregular hours, so I can't just pick up and go at weekends like I used to, and when I am out and about, it's usually to shows, or exploring the various parts of NYC.
Chairman Obama
Apr 24, 2013, 12:53:19 PM4/24/13
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"Jason Pawloski" <jpaw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e71f655d-9dd5-487b...@googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, April 22, 2013 6:34:29 AM UTC-7, H. B. Elkins wrote:
>> Just for the record, we had 21 people in attendance at Ashland. This was
>> very
>>
>> close to a record attendance for such a gathering. The meet was
>> publicized in
>>
>> four other venues besides this newsgroup. Among the attendees was Tim
>> Brown.
>
> Just out of curiosity, does meeting him in real life shed any light on his
>> Just for the record, we had 21 people in attendance at Ashland. This was
>> very
>>
>> close to a record attendance for such a gathering. The meet was
>> publicized in
>>
>> four other venues besides this newsgroup. Among the attendees was Tim
>> Brown.
>
> obvious mental issues that he has? Is he more normal in real life than in
> his posts here / his YouTube channel / etc.? That guy is such a basket
> case, I've always wondered...
I've known Tim for years, and his mental issues are far less severe than
your alcoholism and gambling addictions.
joe.the...@gmail.com
May 23, 2013, 11:29:21 PM5/23/13
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ChoralScholar
Jun 18, 2013, 11:35:18 PM6/18/13
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So, where are the roadgeeks congregating these days, then? Is there a facebook page? I'm on the Southern Roadgeeks facebook page, and it has a lot of nice pictures, but I'm not aware of any other places...
H.B. Elkins
Jun 20, 2013, 10:16:21 AM6/20/13
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In article <703b548b-db04-41cd...@googlegroups.com>,
ChoralScholar says...
(www.aaroads.com/forum)
ChoralScholar says...
>
>So, where are the roadgeeks congregating these days, then? Is there a facebook
>page? I'm on the Southern Roadgeeks facebook page, and it has a lot of nice
>pictures, but I'm not aware of any other places...
Several Facebook and Yahoo groups, and the AA Roads forum
>So, where are the roadgeeks congregating these days, then? Is there a facebook
>page? I'm on the Southern Roadgeeks facebook page, and it has a lot of nice
>pictures, but I'm not aware of any other places...
(www.aaroads.com/forum)
lanaha...@gmail.com
Jun 21, 2013, 7:57:10 PM6/21/13
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On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:35:18 PM UTC-5, ChoralScholar wrote:
> So, where are the roadgeeks congregating these days, then? Is there a facebook page? I'm on the Southern Roadgeeks facebook page, and it has a lot of nice pictures, but I'm not aware of any other places...
Zee problem is all the Soviets and Nigerians trolling for email addresses and unleashing a flood of junk emails to usenet posters.
> So, where are the roadgeeks congregating these days, then? Is there a facebook page? I'm on the Southern Roadgeeks facebook page, and it has a lot of nice pictures, but I'm not aware of any other places...
Chairman Obama
Jun 21, 2013, 10:26:37 PM6/21/13
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Try Mid-America Roads on Facebook. Lots of Arkansas-related talk.
Chairman Obama
Dec 31, 2013, 10:14:08 AM12/31/13
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"Justin Rhodes" <Justin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cb09de79-5615-4162...@googlegroups.com...
>
>> I still swing by every now and then but don't really have much to
>> contribute anymore. I never did get my account on AA Roads. I still have
>> to do that...
>
> I tried, but my account has been awaiting moderator approval for several
> months now...
Send me an email at bugo73 at gmail dot com with your screen name and I'll
make sure one of the moderators approves you.
H.B. Elkins
Feb 23, 2014, 5:01:26 PM2/23/14
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In article <de5d6ec7-6d99-4cd4...@googlegroups.com>, Jason
Pawloski says...
>>My first impression of AAroads is very positive. It seems reminiscent of MTR
>>about 10 years ago, activity-wise.
>
>Nah. It sucks
It's not that bad for what it is ... a web-based moderated forum.
Pawloski says...
>>My first impression of AAroads is very positive. It seems reminiscent of MTR
>>about 10 years ago, activity-wise.
>
>Nah. It sucks
It's not that bad for what it is ... a web-based moderated forum.
Chairman Obama
Feb 21, 2014, 5:51:58 PM2/21/14
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news:84524891-8c47-4473...@googlegroups.com...
> email. I made my first post in the traffic control section with a rant
> about left turn flashing yellow arrows.
a bit too zealous. Just steer clear of the fantasy highway board.
>> > I tried, but my account has been awaiting moderator approval for
>> > several
>>
>> > months now...
>>
>>
>>
>> Send me an email at bugo73 at gmail dot com with your screen name and
>> I'll
>>
>> make sure one of the moderators approves you.
>
> Somehow my account got approved before I got around to sending you an
>> > several
>>
>> > months now...
>>
>>
>>
>> Send me an email at bugo73 at gmail dot com with your screen name and
>> I'll
>>
>> make sure one of the moderators approves you.
>
> email. I made my first post in the traffic control section with a rant
> about left turn flashing yellow arrows.
>
> My first impression of AAroads is very positive. It seems reminiscent of
> MTR about 10 years ago, activity-wise.
Yeah but there are a lot of immature kids on there. The moderators are also
> My first impression of AAroads is very positive. It seems reminiscent of
> MTR about 10 years ago, activity-wise.
a bit too zealous. Just steer clear of the fantasy highway board.
Chairman Obama
Feb 27, 2014, 5:07:16 PM2/27/14
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"H.B. Elkins" <hbe...@gmail.com.restrictorplate> wrote in message
> In article <de5d6ec7-6d99-4cd4...@googlegroups.com>, Jason
> Pawloski says...
>
>>>My first impression of AAroads is very positive. It seems reminiscent of
>>>MTR
>>>about 10 years ago, activity-wise.
>>
>>Nah. It sucks
>
> It's not that bad for what it is ... a web-based moderated forum.
It's overmoderated and some of the moderators are mini Stalins and there are
> Pawloski says...
>
>>>My first impression of AAroads is very positive. It seems reminiscent of
>>>MTR
>>>about 10 years ago, activity-wise.
>>
>>Nah. It sucks
>
> It's not that bad for what it is ... a web-based moderated forum.
too many children there and the fantasy highway board is retarded, but
otherwise it's OK.
Chairman Obama
Feb 27, 2014, 7:35:08 PM2/27/14
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"Justin Rhodes" <Justin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:84524891-8c47-4473...@googlegroups.com...
> My first impression of AAroads is very positive. It seems reminiscent of
> MTR about 10 years ago, activity-wise.
MTR sucked 10 years ago. It started going downhill around 2000.
> MTR about 10 years ago, activity-wise.
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