I don't often get to notice a whole lot of streets or roads that have weird
pronunciations, as I don't do a whole lot of my driving off freeways. What
I do tend to notice more is names of cities/towns, counties, or
geographical features. So, without further ado, here's a list of place
names off the top of my head. Some of these will be more well-known than
others ...
Hayti, MO (HAY-tie, not like the recently war-torn Caribbean nation)
Cuyahoga County, OH (KEYE-uh-HOH-guh, the county in which you find
Cleveland)
Staunton, VA (STAN-tun, the U is silent)
Houma, LA (HOH-muh, basically ignore the U)
Louisville, KY (LOO-uh-vill, contrary to the popular LOO-ee-ville)
Ely, NV (EE-lee)
Methuen, MA (meh-THOO-uhn)
Woburn, MA (WOO-burn)
Worcester, MA (WUSS-ter)
Mamaroneck, NY (muh-MARE-oh-neck, second syllable like a female horse)
Schuylkill County, PA (SKOO-kill, I know, the expressway name is overdone
on MTR)
Wilkes-Barre, PA (WILKS-BEAR-ee, should be simple but I just heard it badly
mangled the other day)
DuBois, PA (doo-BOYZ)
Bellefontaine, OH (bell-FOWN-ten, at least that's what I've always been
told)
Lima, OH (LIE-muh, not like the capital of Peru)
Milan, OH and MI (MEYE-luhn, not like the city in Italy)
Berea, OH and KY (OH: burr-EE-uh for sure, KY: I've heard both burr-EE-uh
and burr-AY-uh)
Gogebic County, MI (go-GHEE-bik)
Baraga County, MI (BEAR-uh-guh)
Trenary, MI (treh-NAIR-ee)
Cohoes, NY (kuh-HOHZ, emphasis last)
Limon, CO (LIE-munn, not like the Spanish word for a lemon)
Rolla, MO (RAHL-uh)
Nephi, UT (NEFF-ee, first syllable as in "nephew")
Vilas County, WI (VEYE-luhs)
Shawano County, WI (SHAH-uh-noh, or so my friend in the U.P. tells me)
Waukesha, WI (WAW-keh-SHAW)
El Dorado, AR (ELL doh-RAY-doh)
Bossier City/County, LA (boh-SHEER)
Lenawee County, MI (LENN-uh-way)
Mackinac County, MI (MACK-in-awe)
Rowan County, NC (roh-WANN, second syllable rhymes with "tan" and gets
emphasis)
Lowville, NY (LOWW-ville, first syllable rhymes with "how")
Fauquier County, VA (foh-KEER)
Monongalia County, WV (monn-uhn-GAYL-yuh)
Kanawha County, WV (kuh-NOW-uh)
Compare: State of Oregon (ORR-eh-gun) / Oregon, OH (ORR-eh-GONE)
Compare: Wytheville, VA (WITH-vill, short I sound) / Blytheville, AR
(BLEYETH-ville, long I)
Compare: Charlotte, MI (shar-LOT, emphasis on 2nd syllable) / Charlotte, NC
(SHAR-lut, emphasis 1st)
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> Shawano County, WI (SHAH-uh-noh, or so my friend in the U.P. tells me)
It's actually 'SHAW-no'. One of the easiest ways to pick the interloper
from a bunch of locals is that the stranger will call it 'sha-WA-no'.
This also applies to the City of Shawano.
> Waukesha, WI (WAW-keh-SHAW)
WAU-keh-sha
Also, whenever you see a 'Berlin' in Wisconsin, it is 'BER-lin', *not* 'ber-LIN'.
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> This was inspired by Larry Scholnick's recent "Road name pronunciation"
> thread.
>
> I don't often get to notice a whole lot of streets or roads that have weird
> pronunciations, as I don't do a whole lot of my driving off freeways. What
> I do tend to notice more is names of cities/towns, counties, or
> geographical features. So, without further ado, here's a list of place
> names off the top of my head. Some of these will be more well-known than
> others ...
>
>
Lodi NJ: LOW-die (long i)
I think the Worcester/Dorcester MA thing has been mentioned (Woo-stuh,
oo as in look, or Wi-stuh, i as in lick, versus Doorchester).
It's not Bawstun, it's Bahstin. Extra credit if you can pronounce the
first o so perversely it sounds like Baa-stin.
New York, NY: The City.
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Barry L. Camp
Yeah, I remember that one. And Concord, MI is "Con-cord", while
Concord, NH is "Conquered".
Speaking of NH, Lebanon, NH is "Leb-a-nin" or "Leb-nin". Berlin, NH
is BER-lin, not Ber-LIN. Then again, especially with the natives and
MA immigrants, almost anything ending in "er" is pronounced ending in
"ah", such as "Hanovah" and "Hennikah".
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>Rowan County, NC (roh-WANN, second syllable rhymes with "tan" and gets
>emphasis)
Rowan County, KY, however is ROWW-in (same as "ruin", except the first
syllable rhymes with "how").
The counties of Wibaux, MT, and Ziebach, SD, are pronounced the same,
except one uses a "w" and the other uses a "z": WEE-baw and ZEE-baw.
The counties of Pend Oreille, WA, and Pondera, MT, are pronounced the
same: pond-uh-RAY.
Lodi, WI is pronounced the same way.
>This was inspired by Larry Scholnick's recent "Road name pronunciation"
>Berea, OH and KY (OH: burr-EE-uh for sure, KY: I've heard both burr-EE-uh
>and burr-AY-uh)
In Kentucky, it's buh-REE-uh.
>Rowan County, NC (roh-WANN, second syllable rhymes with "tan" and gets
>emphasis)
In Kentucky, it's ROW-un, first syllable rhymes with "pow" or "sow" as
in a female swine.
We have a lot of other odd pronunciations.
Yosemite -- yo-suh-might
Monticello -- mon-ti-sell-oh, not like the musical instrument
Versailles -- ver-sales, not ver-sigh
Athens -- long "a," not a short "a" like the city in Greece
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Concord, NC is the same as its NH counterpart -- basically the same as the
word "conquered."
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Virginia:
Loudoun - LAU-din (LAU rhymes with COW)
Fauquier - FAW-keer (FAW rhymes with LAW, keer rhymes with beer)
Monticello - mont-i-CHELL-o
Staunton - STAN-tin
Norfolk - NAW-fik (by many locals) (NAW rhymes with LAW)
NOR-fik (by some others in the state, still no "L" pronounced)
Suffolk - SUFF-ik
Gloucester - GLOS-ter
Buchanan - BUCK-an-in
Wytheville - WITH-vil
Henrico - hen-RIKE-o (RIKE rhymes with BIKE)
Maryland:
Baltimore - BAWL-i-mur (by many locals)
Worcester - WOOS-ter
Wicomico - wi-KOM-i-ko
Chevy Chase - hard "CH" pronounced
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> Steve wrote:
> >
> > Larry Harvilla wrote:
> >
> > > This was inspired by Larry Scholnick's recent "Road name
> > > pronunciation"
> > > thread.
> > >
> > > I don't often get to notice a whole lot of streets or roads that have
> > > weird
> > > pronunciations, as I don't do a whole lot of my driving off freeways.
> > > What
> > > I do tend to notice more is names of cities/towns, counties, or
> > > geographical features. So, without further ado, here's a list of place
> > > names off the top of my head. Some of these will be more well-known
> > > than
> > > others ...
> > >
> > >
> > Lodi NJ: LOW-die (long i)
>
> Lodi, WI is pronounced the same way.
And then there's Waupun, WI, pronounced "wuh-PONN."
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Don't forget Oconomowoc. OH-con-ah-mah-woc
We can always spot the new non-local TV newscasters when they mention
Boscobel and Muscoda, WI. They say bahs-CO-bel and muss-CO-dah. It's
BAHS-cah-bell and MUSS-cah-day.
Bob S
"Larry Harvilla" <IGNOR...@ADDRESS-IN-SIGNATURE.com> wrote...
> Cuyahoga County, OH (KEYE-uh-HOH-guh, the county in which you find
> Cleveland)
Some locals insist that it is pronounced like that; others insist the
"-hog-" is pronounced like the animal. There was a set of three
articles published recently on this and other area names:
"If men are on lake, they aren't from here" 2/6/04
http://tinyurl.com/2r7r4
(www.cleveland.com/living/plaindealer/tom_feran/index.ssf?/base/living/1076063753150440.xml)
"Ohioans take pride in game of names" 2/10/04
http://tinyurl.com/2qao5
(www.cleveland.com/living/plaindealer/tom_feran/index.ssf?/base/living/1076409309261481.xml)
"Shooing the hog out of Cuyahoga" 2/13/04
http://tinyurl.com/24ezt
(www.cleveland.com/living/plaindealer/tom_feran/index.ssf?/base/living/107666853692640.xml)
(Anonymous registration required)
Also, one I heard via a radio station in the northern part of the
state when discussing strange names downstate: Russia (ROO-shee --
"oo" as in "food")
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Rio, WI (rye-oh)
Muscoda, WI (MUSK-oh-day, not Musk-OH-dah)
Montevideo, MN (Mon-teh-VI-dee-oh)
Wabasha, MN (WAH-ba-SHAW)
Waterford, WI (Water-ferd) (This one is subtle)
Willmar, MN (WILL-mer)
and I'll throw this one in too:
Milwaukee, WI
People from outside Wisconsin say "MILL-wau-kee" or "Mill-WAU-kee"
Wisconsinites (outside of Milwaukee) say "Mi-WAU-kee"
Milwaukeeans say "MWAU-kee"
And who would have thought that
Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg, Massachusetts was actually
pronounced Char-gog-a-gog-man-chug-a-gog-chu-bun-a-gung-a-mahg instead of
Char-gog-a-gog-man-chaug-a-gog-chu-bun-a-gung-a-maug?
I worked with a guy from there and he pronounced it with a
much-shortened "LUL-vil." Then I visited there, and I actually heard
some of the locals pronounce it even shorter, thusly: "L-L." Really.
As is Lodi, OH.
[snip]
The river that goes through Portland, OR, is the wil-LAM-mette, not the
WILL-a-mette. On the other hand, the town on the coast is called
TILL-a-mook, not til-LAM-ook. Go figure. I never was sure of the accenting
of Cathlamet, WA or Clatskanie, OR.
Of course, most people can't pronounce Oregon anyway. The first syllable is
pronounced like "or", not "are", and the last syllable is pronounced like
"gun" and not "gone".
The NW has some other nice names:
Puyallup, WA -- pyoo-AL-up, where the middle syllable rhymes with "pal", not
"all".
Chehalis, WA -- cheh-HAY-liss.
Scappoose, OR -- SKAP-POOCE, first syllable rhymes with "map", both
syllables accented.
Chelan, WA -- shuh-LANE.
Tigard, OR -- TYE-gird.
Tualatin, OR -- too-ALL-a-tin.
Poulsbo, WA -- POLES-bo.
Washington has lots of amusing names, some of which I have no clue as to
pronunciation: Pe Ell, La Push, Moclips, Queets, Sequim, Boistfort,
Humptulips, Lilliwaup. At the other extreme, Oregon has Boring and Drain.
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Some from Massachusetts:
Nahant, MA -- na-HAHNT.
Athol, MA -- ATH-oll, 1st syllable rhymes with "math", second with "doll".
Billerica, MA -- BILL-a-RICK-a. That's one of two Massachusetts towns
consisting of a boy's name and a girl's name. Anyone know the other?
Taunton, MA -- TAUNT-'n.
Orleans, MA -- or-LEENZ, not OR-l'nz.
Clicquot, MA -- KLEE-co.
Padanarum, MA -- PAID-'n-AIR-um.
Scituate, MA -- SIT-choo-et.
Revere, MA -- re-VEE-uh. (That's a joke.)
Massachusetts has lots of "hams" but fall into two different categories of
pronunciation. Eastham, Wareham, Waltham end in the word "ham", accented
almost as much as the first syllable. Chatham, Stoneham, Hingham, Wenham,
Dedham end in a quick "um".
> Montevideo, MN (Mon-teh-VI-dee-oh)
But that's how the one in Uruguay is pronounced, so it's not unusual or
unexpected. It would be really odd if it were pronounced
"Mahn-tee-vid-e-yoh".
Chris Blaney
A few more I thought of to add:
Chillicothe, OH (CHILL-ih-kahth-ee) ... Looks pretty obvious, but I've
heard it mangled before too.
Gallipolis, OH (GAL-ih-poh-LEASE, last two syllables just like a word for
law enforcement officers)
Chicopee, MA (CHICK-uh-pee, usually when I hear this screwed up, people are
emphasizing the 2nd syllable)
Mio, MI (MEYE-oh, not like a Spanish word meaning "my" or "mine")
Mikado, MI (mih-KAY-doh) ... both Mio and Mikado are *VERY* tiny towns in
the northeastern Lower Peninsula
Olentangy River (OH-lenn-TAN-jee, though OSU students do frequently -- and
I'm told correctly -- describe the quality of the water by calling it
"old-and-tangy") :)
Muskingum County, OH (muh-SKING-uhm, again the usual error is to emphasize
the first syllable)
Delphi, IN (DEL-fee, not DEL-feye)
Prairie du Chien, WI (PRAYER-ee duh SHANE, correct French would be
"prayer-EE dyoo SHE-enn" with the R's pronounced by almost closing off your
throat with your tongue, and the final N pronounced very nasally)
Peabody, MA (PEE-buh-DEE)
Piqua, OH (PICK-wuh, even I used to say PEEK-wuh until I was corrected) :)
Philippi, WV (FILL-ih-PEE)
Opelika, AL (OH-pull-EYE-kuh, I've heard this mangled numerous different
ways)
Olathe, KS (OH-lay-thuh, the final E is sort of pronounced, not ignored)
Metairie, LA (METT-uh-REE)
Keysers Ridge, MD and Keyser, WV (KEYE-zer, or at least that's what I've
heard)
Question for Scott Kozel or any other Marylander: Havre de Grace? I have no
clue.
And finally, a couple variations on the same spelling that even I'm not
sure of.
Scio Twp., MI / Scioto River and County, OH -- I think "SKY-oh" and
"sky-OH-toh," but I'd appreciate a little independent confirmation or
correction.
Actually, wouldn't the Uruguayan capital be pronounced:
"mon-teh-vee-DAY-oh"?
> so it's not unusual or
> unexpected. It would be really odd if it were pronounced
> "Mahn-tee-vid-e-yoh".
I think the main differences are the emphasis in Minnesota on the
third syllable as opposed to the fourth in Uruguay and the "DAY"
in Uruguay versus the "dee" in 'Sota.
Later,
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Melrose.
New Jersey, where I spent the first 27 years of my life:
Bogota: bo-GO-ta, not "bogo-TA!"
Bernardsville: ber-NERDS-vil, not "Ber-NARD's Ville".
Mendham: MEND-um, not mend-ham.
Buena Vista: bwenna-vista
Buena: bwenna
Forked River: fork-ED river
New York State, where I've spent the last three years:
Cincinnatus: cin-cin-NAY-tus (not at all pronounced like the Queen City of
Ohio)
Skaneateles: skinny-atlas
Lowville: LOW-vil (the first three letters pronounced like the last three
letters of ALLOW)
De Ruyter: dee RHY-ter (or duh RHY-ter)
Schenectady: sss-KENNECT-edey (rolls off the tongue very easily)
Chenango: I'm not sure if the CH is hard or soft, I've said it both ways and
haven't gotten funny looks.
Chris Blaney
Like it looks - HAVE-er duh GRACE
From California:
Klamath - CLAM-uth.
Pt. Mugu - ma-GOO, like Mister.
Port Hueneme - hway-NEE-mee.
Simi Valley - SEE-mee.
Azusa - technically, a-ZOO-sa, but it's amazing how many people insist on
calling it a-SOO-za, even in traffic reports on the radio. Don't ask me why.
Ojai - OH-hi.
Poway - POW-way.
Carpinteria - CAR-pin-ter-REE-ah.
Yreka - why-REE-ka.
Cuyama - kwee-AH-ma.
Yucaipa - you-KIPE-a.
Cambria - half the residents pronounce it CAMM-bree-a, the other half say
CAME-bree-a.
San Luis Obispo - san-LOO-iss-oh-BISS-poh, although some say san-LOO-ee. The
easiest way to say it is just S.L.O.
> Scio Twp., MI / Scioto River and County, OH -- I think "SKY-oh" and
> "sky-OH-toh," but I'd appreciate a little independent confirmation or
> correction.
Scio is pronounced "SY-oh". The "Sci" is like in "science".
Barry L. Camp
The Buena Vista in Virginia pronounces the "ue" as a long "U" --
B-uu-na VIS-ta
If you're speaking of Scio Twp in Washtenaw ("WASH-tuh-NAW" :^) Co,
that'd be "SIGH-oh".
As for the Ohioan Scioto, I don't know for certain, but I've always
used "sky-OH-TOE" myself.
Cudahy, WI - pronounced Cuh-duh-hay
Compare: Nicollet, MN - Nick-o-Let and Nicollet, WI - Nick-o-lay
>Washington has lots of amusing names, some of which I have no clue as to
>pronunciation: Pe Ell, La Push, Moclips, Queets, Sequim, Boistfort,
>Humptulips, Lilliwaup.
BOISTfort?!?!?!?!?!
SERIOUSLY?????
THAT IS SO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BOISTfort!!!!!!!!
I can't tell you just how funny that is to me!!!!!!
In high school we always used to yell out "BOIST!!!" because it was a
code word for masturbation!!!
BOOOOOOIIIIIIIIST!!!!!!!!!!
>As for the Ohioan Scioto, I don't know for certain, but I've always
>used "sky-OH-TOE" myself.
There's no "k" sound. It's "sy-OH-toh".
> "Christopher Blaney" <cbl...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> > New Jersey, where I spent the first 27 years of my life:
> >
> > Bogota: bo-GO-ta, not "bogo-TA!"
> > Bernardsville: ber-NERDS-vil, not "Ber-NARD's Ville".
> > Mendham: MEND-um, not mend-ham.
> > Buena Vista: bwenna-vista
>
> The Buena Vista in Virginia pronounces the "ue" as a long "U" --
>
> B-uu-na VIS-ta
Same deal in Iowa.
Actually, every time I've heard Minnesotans pronounce Nicollet, it's
"NICK-LIT" like the middle syllable has faded away over the years.
It still sounds grating to me, as Nicollet is "NICK-o-LAY" for Pete's
sake!!
I usually see LUHL-ville as the phoenetic spelling; however, it appears that
LOO-ee-ville is becoming more common among locals, but I still cringe
everytime I hear it.
There is short discussion of the pronounciations of Louisville in the book
"Kentucky Place Names."
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>
> A few more I thought of to add:
>
Here are some from Texas:
Waxahachie (the town I live in): WOX-a-hach-ie
Italy: It-ly the "a" is silent
Ennis: ENN-is
Mexia: ma-HAY-a
Kerens: KERNS the second "e" is silent
Itasca: I-tas-ca
Lancaster: LANE-ca-ster (though I've said LAN-caster to annoy an old
friend of mine, and I've stuck with it)
Chris E.
Can you handle some from the south and east, like:
Manor
Elgin (both near Austin)
Humble
San Jacinto
San Felipe (all in the Houston area)
Marquez (up north of Madisonville)
Refugio
? ;-)
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I was rethinking that one after I posted it and it seems to me that I do
keep hearing about a 'half accent' on the last syllable.
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As is Lodi, CA. Think of the Creedence Clearwater Revival song. :-)
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Steve
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20 May 2004, 1949 PDT
When roadtripping in that area (actually nearby Aberdeen) a couple of
times over the past few years, I have also heard the first word
pronounced like the name of the Packers' quarterback.
Which way is Havre, MT pronounced?
Nevada, IA --- ne-VAY-duh ('ay' as in 'day').
> Cudahy, WI - pronounced Cuh-duh-hay
>
> Compare: Nicollet, MN - Nick-o-Let and Nicollet, WI - Nick-o-lay
Doesn't 'Nicollet, WI' have only one 'l' ('Nicolet')? That's how the US
Forest Service spells it ('Nicolet National Forest').
Concerning the Ohio versions, I was tought to pronounce them sigh-O-toh
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Sequim is pronounced "squim" as if there were no e in the town name.
As I've heard in in Mason County WA, Lilliwaup is pronounced "Lillawop".
Okanogan, both a city and a county in Washington, is pronounced as if it
were spelled Okanagan - "oak-uh-GNAW-gen". The river these are named
after IS spelled Okanagan.
Wahkiakum County, in southwestern Washington near the mouth of the
Columbia, is pronounced "wah-KYE-uh-come".
I was once told that the rule for pronouncing Native American place
names (which all of the above are) in Washington is that the second
syllable is the one that is accented. Think of how you pronounce Seattle
and Tacoma (both Native names).
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As for Chenango, I've always pronounced it and heard it as shuh-NAN-go.
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A few other Michigan goodies:
Pompeii: POM-pee-eye
Okemos: OH-kuh-mis (or OH-kuh-mus). Another exposer of outsiders who
pronounce it "oh-KEE-mus".
Chesaning: non-locals tend to prounuce it CHESS-a-ning, but natives
and locals tend to go with CHESS-a-NING, with primary emphasis on the
third syllable
Carrollton: CAR-roll-ton, with CAR as in (surprise) "CAR" and not
"CARE".
Dowagiac: do-WAH-zhee-ack (I'm not a southwest Michigan native so I
haven't had the opportunity to hear a mangled pronunciation of it,
although I'm guessing it's been done)
Leelanau: LEE-la-naw, I believe. Perhaps there have been tourists up
in wine country who would pronounce it le-LAN-oh or something like
that.
Delhi Township: DEL-HIGH, as opposed to the subcontinental
pronunciation
And a few Chicago gems:
Kenilworth: KEY-nil-worth, with KEY as in "Francis Scott Key"
Cicero: SIS-er-oh. Notable in that I've heard that the original
latin pronunciation of the poet's name would be "kuh-KARE-oh".
Ravenswood: as in "Quoth the Raven"--RAY-vens-wood, and not as in
"Ravioli". I confess that I was the guilty party in using the short-a
pronunciation for the north-side neighborhood
Archie Leach
Ohio's Athens is pronounced that way, too.
>> Athens -- long "a," not a short "a" like the city in Greece
>
>Ohio's Athens is pronounced that way, too.
No, on the radio stations there it's pronounced with a short "a".
As is Lodi, NY.
In the Pretenders' early 1980s hit "My City Was Gone" (which you know
if you listen to Rush Limbaugh) they pronounce it "kuh-HOH-guh":
"And music filled the air
from Seneca to Cuyahoga Falls"
(I think those are their lyrics!)
> Here are some from Texas:
>
> Waxahachie (the town I live in): WOX-a-hach-ie
Well, we've been saying it wrong without being corrected for three years
now when we're announcing starting lineups on the PA system. (My
college volleyball team has two players from there) Oh well.
--
Thanks for your time,
Eric Opperman
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national
anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear
that song, I have a bad game,'" - Jim Leyland, about Opening Day 1986
with the Pirates
I've always heard Athens, Ohio pronounced with a short "a" as well,
even from some lifelong Ohioans I know, including one with relations
in Athens.
I hate to admit I have relatives in Gratiot County because of that...
I mean it sounds so, I dunno... "hick-ish" to hear something like that
mangled so badly.
> Okemos: OH-kuh-mis (or OH-kuh-mus). Another exposer of outsiders who
> pronounce it "oh-KEE-mus".
Or "oh-KEE-mose." A furniture chain based in Detroit with an Okemos
store ran statewide ads for the chain and for YEARS they mispronounced
Okemos. It was sad.
> Carrollton: CAR-roll-ton, with CAR as in (surprise) "CAR" and not
> "CARE".
You pronounce it like "Carleton" for whatever reason... :^)
> Dowagiac: do-WAH-zhee-ack (I'm not a southwest Michigan native so I
> haven't had the opportunity to hear a mangled pronunciation of it,
> although I'm guessing it's been done)
Actually, my co-worker hails from the area and she maintains it's
pronounced with THREE (not two and not four) syllables, thusly:
"doh-WAH-zjyack". I always wondered if it was that or "DWAH-zjyack"
as two syllables, but she says it's definately three.
> Leelanau: LEE-la-naw, I believe. Perhaps there have been tourists up
> in wine country who would pronounce it le-LAN-oh or something like
> that.
Yes: "LEE-lah-naw" it is.
Lets see:
I bet Manor is something like MAY-nor
Elgin: EL-gun
Humble: UM-ble
San Jacinto: San HAC-into
San Felipe: San Fe-LI-pe
Marquez: mar-KAY ??? Sounds French, I know, but somehow I bet most of
these are not pronounced as they seem.
Refugio: Re-FU-gio
Chris E.
Yeah?? Cool, who are they, I might know them.
Chris E.
>Patrick Lee Humphrey <pat...@io.com> wrote in message news:<szkekpe...@fnord.io.com>...
>> ce92...@yahoo.com (Chris Ekema) writes:
>> >"Larry Harvilla" <IGNOR...@ADDRESS-IN-SIGNATURE.com> wrote in message news:<fc3d7668323d28ae...@news.teranews.com>...
>> >> "Larry Harvilla" <IGNOR...@ADDRESS-IN-SIGNATURE.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:71686b146ae180e3...@news.teranews.com...
>> Can you handle some from the south and east, like:
>> Manor
>> Elgin (both near Austin)
>> Humble
>> San Jacinto
>> San Felipe (all in the Houston area)
>> Marquez (up north of Madisonville)
>> Refugio
>>
>> ? ;-)
>Lets see:
>I bet Manor is something like MAY-nor
>Elgin: EL-gun
>Humble: UM-ble
Not bad, so far -- 3 of 3.
>San Jacinto: San HAC-into
Not when it's the street in Houston, or the monument and park out at the
Battleground. It's pronounced as it's spelled: San JacINto.
>San Felipe: San Fe-LI-pe
That works everywhere else, but for the town west of Houston and the street in
west Houston, it's San FILL-a-pee. (It's easy to tell the newcomers on the
local news at 5/6/10, as they invariably pronounce it as if it were the
Spanish name.)
>Marquez: mar-KAY ??? Sounds French, I know, but somehow I bet most of
>these are not pronounced as they seem.
Right on the money -- and the only reason I know that one is thanks to a
classmate of mine from high school who lived there a while in the '80s.
>Refugio: Re-FU-gio
Off by one letter: ReFUrio, both for the town and the county. (It could be
worse -- we could have the boatload of native place names that Oklahoma deals
with.)
4 of 7 isn't bad, considering that there are a few long-time Texans who can't
figure out Iraan. (I was one of them until the tail end of the '70s, when I
learned it from a neighbor who'd grown up there -- it's the combination of the
husband and wife who first settled there: Ira and Ann, and it's pronounced
the same way, minus the "and", of course. :-)
Correct. They named after different people with similar names, the
former for Joseph Nicollet, the explorer and mapmaker of the 1830s,
the later for Jean Nicolet the French Voyageur of the 1630s.
As a former resident of the area, I can confirm the
pronounciation... Also, in Minneapolis there is Nicollet island, and
it's also Nick-o-let.
--
Richard W Kaszeta
ri...@kaszeta.org
http://www.kaszeta.org/rich
I remember getting corrected on this one. Interestingly, where I live
now (NH/VT), there is an Okemo mountain which is definitely o-KEE-mo.
Also from Michigan:
Livonia: lih-vo-nee-ah, while outsiders often call it Lie-vo-nee-ah or
lee-vo-nee-ah
Detroit: A simple one, deh-troit, but a *lot* of people from the
South and Northeast seem to call it DEE-troit. Heck, so do I, if
I'm being sarcastic.
Rich (who has lived so many places and picks up accents so easily that
his "native" accent is now a mishmash of upstate
NY-Delaware-Arizona-Michigan-Tennessee-Minnesota-New Hampshire)
I've always pronounced that one the first way.
> Detroit: A simple one, deh-troit, but a *lot* of people from the
> South and Northeast seem to call it DEE-troit. Heck, so do I, if
> I'm being sarcastic.
Same thing with out-of-town/national sportscasters calling it
'GREEN-bay', WI, when in reality it is 'green-BAY', with a very soft
accent on the final syllable, often with no perceptable accent at all ('green-bay').
The same is true of Lake Buena Vista, FL (near Orlando) -- BYOO-nuh.
Don't forget Paulina Avenue, just west of downtown: paul-EYE-nuh, not
paul-EE-nuh. Also, Des Plaines is pronounced with both S's: "dez PLAINZ,"
with the S's sort of "Z-ified," if you will. :)
Yes, that's what it is. It's pronounced like Kaiser (as in the HMO or in the
one-time title of German leaders) and geyser. There is no KEY in the
pronunciation, regardless of what my father insisted, and I spent at year
school there to know for sure. Of course, the way you have it is a little
confusing and a better phonetic explanation of the term might be KY-zer with
the first syllable rhyming with the word eye. BTW, Keyser, WV and the
Panhandle of MD and Eastern Panhandle of WV are nice areas, you just have to
drive to Cumberland, MD to see a movie, or to Hagerstown, MD; Winchester,
VA; Morgantown, WV; or the southern suburbs of Pittsburgh to do decent
shopping.
>
>
> Question for Scott Kozel or any other Marylander: Havre de Grace? I have
no
> clue.
>
>
> And finally, a couple variations on the same spelling that even I'm not
> sure of.
>
> Scio Twp., MI / Scioto River and County, OH -- I think "SKY-oh" and
> "sky-OH-toh," but I'd appreciate a little independent confirmation or
> correction.
>
Most everybody from the area pronounces it with only three syllables:
lih-VOHN-yuh.
>
> Detroit: A simple one, deh-troit, but a *lot* of people from the
> South and Northeast seem to call it DEE-troit. Heck, so do I, if
> I'm being sarcastic.
Correct, it is a second-syllable accent: deh-TROYT. Interestingly enough,
proper French would have a first-syllable accent: DAY-twah.
I'll also throw in one more Detroit suburb that I swear I've never heard a
non-native actually say right:
Novi (NOH-VEYE, basically almost-equal emphasis) ... Every non-local I've
ever heard has screwed it up as "NOH-vee" or "NAH-vee."
I'd almost go with "lih-VONE-yuh" and slur the four syllable into
three.
Another Metro Detroit city I've yet to see mentioned here: Hamtramck.
You add another vowel when saying it: "ham-TRAM-ick".
Also a city west of Detroit near Ann Arbor that invariable gets men-
tioned in these kinds of threads (and may already have been, but I
haven't seen it): Ypsilanti. It's "IPP-suh-LAN-tee" or, via slurring
the syllables together, "IPP-suh-LANNY". It is NOT "YIPP-see-LAN-tee",
although the abbreviated term for Ypsi is pronounced "IPP-see".
And from the west side of the state, one that get snickers from the
high school crowd is Bangor: "BANG-er".
Yeah, I usually hear the third and fourth run together like that.
> Also a city west of Detroit near Ann Arbor that invariable gets men-
> tioned in these kinds of threads (and may already have been, but I
> haven't seen it): Ypsilanti. It's "IPP-suh-LAN-tee" or, via slurring
> the syllables together, "IPP-suh-LANNY". It is NOT "YIPP-see-LAN-tee",
> although the abbreviated term for Ypsi is pronounced "IPP-see".
Mostly I've heard the short Ypsi over the full name anyways.
Havre, MT -- HAVE-er.
--Andy
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Beaverton, OR
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Same for Scio, OR.
>
> As for the Ohioan Scioto, I don't know for certain, but I've always
> used "sky-OH-TOE" myself.
>
> Later,
> Chris
>
Scioto River -- SIGH-oh-toe (lived near Columbus for 8 years).
The Irish name "Carroll" is pronounced to sound like it's spelled
"Karl," not like "Carol." It makes sense that the town whence the
Carrolls hail would be pronounced "KARLton."
The name "Carleton" is also mispronounced. It was originally spelled
"Carlton" after a public space in Glasgow, Scotland, and a
cartographer erroneously added the extra E. It stuck.
A similar incident resulted in the spelling of Yonge street in
Ontario. It's named after a Mr. Young, but the cartographer who
officially recorded the street name was not particular about which
letters he used to spell a name, as long as he used some.
From what I hear in Portland:
Cathlamet, WA -- Cath-LAM-mette
Clatskanie, OR -- CLAT-skuh-neye
>
> Of course, most people can't pronounce Oregon anyway. The first syllable is
> pronounced like "or", not "are", and the last syllable is pronounced like
> "gun" and not "gone".
>
> The NW has some other nice names:
>
> Puyallup, WA -- pyoo-AL-up, where the middle syllable rhymes with "pal", not
> "all".
>
> Chehalis, WA -- cheh-HAY-liss.
>
> Scappoose, OR -- SKAP-POOCE, first syllable rhymes with "map", both
> syllables accented.
>
The accent is definately on the second syllable.
skap-POOCE or skuh-POOCE
>
> Chelan, WA -- shuh-LANE.
>
shuh-LAN (as in land, not lane)
>
> Tigard, OR -- TYE-gird.
>
> Tualatin, OR -- too-ALL-a-tin.
>
> Poulsbo, WA -- POLES-bo.
>
> Washington has lots of amusing names, some of which I have no clue as to
> pronunciation: Pe Ell, La Push, Moclips, Queets, Sequim, Boistfort,
> Humptulips, Lilliwaup. At the other extreme, Oregon has Boring and Drain.
>
> --
>
> Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul mailto:pder...@ix.netcom.com
That may be common to accentuate the "Bay". That is how people in
Virginia and Maryland typically say "Chesapeake Bay".
--
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Virginia/Maryland/Washington, D.C. http://www.roadstothefuture.com
Philadelphia and Delaware Valley http://www.pennways.com
Is Montpelier, OH pronounced the same as the capital of Vermont? And
how is that pronounced, anyway?
There are two streets in Toledo I am not sure how to pronounce:
"Carskaddon", which appears in town at least twice (including one at
Monroe St and the 1/2 interchange with I-475 EB). I've heard both
"cars-KADD-en" and "CAR-ska-don"
"Powhattan" I always assumed "POW-hat-ten", but I suspect that's
incorrect.
Speaking of pronunciations, one thing that had me in stitches was hearing
that when my sister first moved out to western Pennsylvania, she pronounced
the relatively close town of Ashtabula, Ohio, this way:
ash-TAB-yula instead of ashtib-YULA.
Even I knew the correct pronunciation! To this day I guffaw over it.
Chris Blaney
--
Brian J. Matuschak
Publisher, the "Electronic Atlas Newsletter" (1990-2000)
br...@electronic-atlas.com, http://www.electronic-atlas.com
"Paul D. DeRocco" <pder...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mkarc.3803$be....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > "Larry Harvilla" <IGNOR...@ADDRESS-IN-SIGNATURE.com> wrote
> >
> > This was inspired by Larry Scholnick's recent "Road name pronunciation"
> > thread.
> >
> > I don't often get to notice a whole lot of streets or roads that have
> weird
> > pronunciations, as I don't do a whole lot of my driving off freeways.
What
> > I do tend to notice more is names of cities/towns, counties, or
> > geographical features. So, without further ado, here's a list of place
> > names off the top of my head. Some of these will be more well-known than
> > others ...
>
> [snip]
>
> The river that goes through Portland, OR, is the wil-LAM-mette, not the
> WILL-a-mette. On the other hand, the town on the coast is called
> TILL-a-mook, not til-LAM-ook. Go figure. I never was sure of the accenting
> of Cathlamet, WA or Clatskanie, OR.
>
> Of course, most people can't pronounce Oregon anyway. The first syllable
is
> pronounced like "or", not "are", and the last syllable is pronounced like
> "gun" and not "gone".
>
> The NW has some other nice names:
>
> Puyallup, WA -- pyoo-AL-up, where the middle syllable rhymes with "pal",
not
> "all".
>
> Chehalis, WA -- cheh-HAY-liss.
>
> Scappoose, OR -- SKAP-POOCE, first syllable rhymes with "map", both
> syllables accented.
>
> Chelan, WA -- shuh-LANE.
I'm fairly certain the better-known Bangor (in Maine) is pronounced with
more of an "O" sound in the final syllable: BAYN-gore.
H.B. Elkins wrote:
> "Larry Harvilla" <IGNOR...@ADDRESS-IN-SIGNATURE.com> wrote:
>
>>This was inspired by Larry Scholnick's recent "Road name pronunciation"
>
>>Berea, OH and KY (OH: burr-EE-uh for sure, KY: I've heard both burr-EE-uh
>>and burr-AY-uh)
>
> In Kentucky, it's buh-REE-uh.
>
>>Rowan County, NC (roh-WANN, second syllable rhymes with "tan" and gets
>>emphasis)
>
> In Kentucky, it's ROW-un, first syllable rhymes with "pow" or "sow" as
> in a female swine.
>
> We have a lot of other odd pronunciations.
>
> Yosemite -- yo-suh-might
>
> Monticello -- mon-ti-sell-oh, not like the musical instrument
>
> Versailles -- ver-sales, not ver-sigh
Versailles IN is pronounced the same way.
More from Indiana:
Peru: PEE ROO
Lafayette: Lah fee ET, though some say Lay fee ET
Terre Haute: Mostly Terra Hote, but some people call it Terry HUT.
Vincennes: some say Vin Sins.
Galveston: gal VES ton.
Paoli: Pay oh LEE.
--
Pat O'Connell
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Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals...
Funny you should mention that--I made an utterly random (and mostly
useless) road trip to celebrate my birthday back in February 2002 on a
frigid Saturday afternoon, taking I 69 from Lansing down to Coldwater,
and then US 12 over from Coldwater to New Buffalo, and then back up
Red Arrow Highway, just so I could check out the Saturday night boy's
varsity basketball game between Bangor and St. Joseph Lake Michigan
Catholic High Schools, played at "The House of Noise" in St. Joseph.
The PA announcer at LMC pronounced it "BAN-gore".
Incidentally, Lake Michigan Catholic won by some ridiculous score like
85-36. It was indeed a pretty brutal thrashing.
They would eventually make it to the Class D semifinals in Michigan,
losing in the semifinals.
Archie Leach
"Paulina is next. Doors open on the right at Paulina. This is a
Brown Line train to Kimball."
Oops......I'm probably violating some arcane clause of CTA's
"Intellectual Property Codes" by quoting that, but oh well.
> Also, Des Plaines is pronounced with both S's: "dez PLAINZ,"
> with the S's sort of "Z-ified," if you will. :)
So why give a town a French name if you're going to Anglicize the
pronunciation?
Archie Leach
>Lodi NJ: LOW-die (long i)
Lodi, CA is pronounced the same way.
LaFayette, GA: pronounced as it is, "luh FAY it" (not "lah fay ETTE"
like the cities in LA, IN, etc., which have a lowercase F)
Ooltewah, TN: "OOH tuh wah" (the L is not pronounced)
Resaca, GA: "ruh SAH kuh" (occasionally mangled by non-locals)
Chamblee, GA: "SHAM blee" (not "CHAM blee")
Dacula, GA: "duh KEW luh" (most non-Georgia natives mangle one badly,
often as "DAA kew luh")
Nevada, MO: "ne VAY duh" (not "ne VAH duh" like the state)
El Dorado, AR: "EL duh RAY doh" (not "el duh RAH do")
-SC
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...
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Steve
Shoreline, Washington USA
smda...@seanet.com
21 May 2004, 1956 PDT
There was a pop group from the 1970s by this name from New York City,
and their name was pronounced like you said. Their two big hits were
"Dance With Me" and "Still The One".
>There was a pop group from the 1970s by this name from New York City,
>and their name was pronounced like you said. Their two big hits were
>"Dance With Me" and "Still The One".
ABC ruined the song "Still The One" to use in their promo campaign.
But at least a person bubbled in one of the ads!
I've heard "Scioto" pronounced "sigh-OH-toh".
I remember hearing someone on one of the nationally syndicated sports
shows pronounce Des Plaines as "dee-PLAYN." Must have been from Des
Moines.
James, who wonders if his "duh-MOYN" pronunciation of the Iowa state
capital is correct
Close. It's d'MOYN, one syllable
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>"Larry Harvilla" <IGNOR...@ADDRESS-IN-SIGNATURE.com> wrote in message
>news:71686b146ae180e3...@news.teranews.com...
>> This was inspired by Larry Scholnick's recent "Road name pronunciation"
>> thread.
>>
>> I don't often get to notice a whole lot of streets or roads that have
>weird
>> pronunciations, as I don't do a whole lot of my driving off freeways.
>What
>> I do tend to notice more is names of cities/towns, counties, or
>> geographical features. So, without further ado, here's a list of place
>> names off the top of my head. Some of these will be more well-known than
>> others ...
>
>Question for Scott Kozel or any other Marylander: Havre de Grace? I have no
>clue.
>
>
>And finally, a couple variations on the same spelling that even I'm not
>sure of.
>
>Scio Twp., MI / Scioto River and County, OH -- I think "SKY-oh" and
>"sky-OH-toh," but I'd appreciate a little independent confirmation or
>correction.
sigh-o
sigh-o-toe
--
Dave Norris
Lucasville, OH
Montpelier, VT is mont-PEE-lee-err, often with the "lee-err" blended
together into "lyeer".
And James Madison's estate in Virginia.
I knew that a TV announcer had spent too much time in upstate NY when she
said that an airliner had crashed on a flight from Athens to KAY-ro (Cairo)
John Mara
Or extreme southern Illinois.
--
"A vote for Bush is a character flaw" - Janeane Garofalo
> LaFayette, GA: pronounced as it is, "luh FAY it" (not "lah fay ETTE"
> like the cities in LA, IN, etc., which have a lowercase F)
Lafayette County, MS is pronounced the same way (luh-FAY-it)--still
lowercase F. (Though, some people say "luh-FET" instead.) I suspect the
city in Louisiana is also luh-FAY-it, being in the Deep South.
Chris
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> Maybe a local could help me out with the "acceptable" pronunciation of
> New Orleans. I've heard it "NEW or-LEANS", "new OR-lins", and even
> "NAW-lins", and have personally tried all three, only to get strange
> looks from everyone. Never been there, but planning on going soon,
> and I have no intention of sounding like a Yankee. :-)
Around these parts, it's "NOR-lins" or "NYOR-lins". But I doubt that's
how people in New Orleans pronounce it.
Right, because the abbreviation's Yps(ilant)i, not Ypsi(lanti). Nobody I
met in Ann Arbor (or, for that matter, anyone I know who went to Eastern
Michigan) calls the town anything other than Ypsi.
Washtenaw Co. was a bit of a mouthful at first as well. And I've yet to
hear a definitive pronunciation for the nearby town of Saline...
suh-LEEN.
SAY-leen refers to a solution commonly used for contact lenses, but not the
town. ;-)