Preliminary: German Night Train from 2011: Timetable Conference
trainweelker fahrer
Preliminary results from the Timetable Conference:
New trains:
- New direct EuroNight train Dortmund-Warszawa via Hanover on the
weekend and daily in the summer-time
- New direct EuroNight train Karlsruhe-Warszawa via Hanover on the
weekend and daily in the summer-time
- New direct CNL train Karlsruhe-Copenhagen via Hanover on the weekend
and daily in the summer-time
- New direct CNL train Karlsruhe-Prague via Dresden on the weekend and
daily in the summer-time
- New direct express train train Frankfurt to Kiev and Moscow via
Warszawa (3 weekly and daily in the summer-time)
Travellers to/from Berlin are advised to use RegionalExpress train
Berlin-Frankfurt and change in Frankfurt
- New direct EuroNight train Salzburg-Zagreb
Travellers to/from Munich are advised to use InterCity train Munich-
Salzburg and change in Salzburg
- New direct EuroNight train Salzburg-Budapest
Travellers to/from Munich are advised to use InterCity train Munich-
Salzburg and change in Salzburg
- New direct EuroNight train Dresden-Budapest
Travellers to/from Berlin are advised to use InterCity train Hamburg-
Dresden and change in Dresden
Existing trains:
- Direct CNL train Berlin-Zuerich via Hanover on the weekend and daily
in the summer-time
- Direct CNL train Berlin-Paris via Hanover on the weekend and daily
in the summer-time
- Direct CNL train Munich-Copenhagen via Hanover on the weekend and
daily in the summer-time
- Direct CNL train Dortmund-Copenhagen via Hanover on the weekend and
daily in the summer-time
- Direct CNL train Dortmund-Munich via Mannheim on the weekend and
daily in the summer-time
- Direct CNL train Dortmund-Zuerich via Mannheim on the weekend and
daily in the summer-time
Travellers to/from Amsterdam are advised to use InterCityExpress
train Frankfurt-Amsterdam and change in Duesseldorf
- Direct CNL train Hamburg-Zuerich via Mannheim on the weekend and
daily in the summer-time
Travellers to/from Amsterdam are advised to use InterCityExpress
train Frankfurt-Amsterdam and change in Duesseldorf
- Direct EuroNight train Hamburg-Vienna via Nuremberg daily in the
summer-time
Travellers to/from Cologne are advised to use InterCityExpress train
Cologne-Nuremberg and change in Nuremberg
Suspended trains:
- Direct CNL train Munich-Rome via Verona
Travellers to/from Verona are advised to use EuroCity train Munich-
Verona
Travellers to/from Rome are advised to travel to Verona and to
change to Trenitalia trains to Rome
- Direct CNL train Munich-Venezia via Verona
Travellers to/from Verona are advised to use EuroCity train Munich-
Verona
Travellers to/from Rome are advised to travel to Verona and to
change to Trenitalia trains to Venezia
- Direct EuroNight train Budapest-Venezia
Willms
<trainw...@googlemail.com> auf misc.transport.rail.europe :
> - New direct express train train Frankfurt to Kiev and Moscow via
> Warszawa (3 weekly and daily in the summer-time)
> Travellers to/from Berlin are advised to use RegionalExpress train
> Berlin-Frankfurt and change in Frankfurt
This must mean Frankfurt on Oder, not the larger Frankfurt on Main.
Cheers,
L.W.
Oliver Schnell
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:16:05 -0800 (PST), trainweelker fahrer
> <trainw...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> >Preliminary results from the Timetable Conference:
>
> >New trains:
>
>
> >- New direct CNL train Karlsruhe-Copenhagen via Hanover
>
>
> >- New direct express train train Frankfurt to Kiev and Moscow via Warszawa (3 weekly and daily in the summer-time)
>
> (Is it Frankfurt/Main or - even worse - Frankfurt/Oder?)
I guess Frankfurt/Oder is mentioned due to the advice for Berlin
passengers. What would be actually new, is that the Moscow and the Kiev
cars will run within one single train all year round.
For the time being I would not stick with the detailed wording of this
"news". Concerning those trains being curtailed somewhere (Karlsruhe,
Frankfurt/Oder, Salzburg), I would interpretate it, that there was no
definitve decision made how these trains will run/organised/paid on the
sectors which seem to be ceased. Especially a begin/end at Frankfurt/Oder or
Salzburg is really ridicolous (ignoring the actual passenger flows).
>
> >Existing trains:
> >
> >- Direct CNL train Dortmund-Munich via Mannheim
>
> Looks like Amsterdam - Munich curtailed.
As there is not announced Emmerich (or Oberhausen) - Munich etc.
I would interpretate this that it is actually planned to cut off
Amsterdam from the remaining night services.
>
> Was the CNL Munich - Paris mentioned? It's in none part of the list ...
I guess not every portion of trains running today is dealt within this
text.
It will be interesting, what will happen with the night trains to/from
Italian destinations. While I guess that their running in co-operation
with Trenitalia will be stopped, I find it not unlikely, that those
trains will be run in the open access mode in Italy, like this takes
place with the Eurocities on the Bremmer route. They seem to be that
successful, that the number of trains will be increased from five to
seven per day & direction from December 2010, including new destinations
in Italy (Venice, Florence?)
--
Oliver Schnell
Marc Van Dyck
>
> It will be interesting, what will happen with the night trains to/from
> Italian destinations. While I guess that their running in co-operation
> with Trenitalia will be stopped, I find it not unlikely, that those
> trains will be run in the open access mode in Italy, like this takes
> place with the Eurocities on the Bremmer route. They seem to be that
> successful, that the number of trains will be increased from five to
> seven per day & direction from December 2010, including new destinations
> in Italy (Venice, Florence?)
This looks very much like the scenario that happened with the night
trains Belgium-Italy 10 years ago. Initially operated with a mix
of carriages under the classic "cooperation" regime, SNCB decided that
these trains were not in enough good shape to retain a sizeable
ridership. They then went for the other model, take over all the
costs for the train, provide all the stock, and pay the foreign
networks
for the transif over their tracks. This lasted for a few years, until
they got fed up having to repair constantly their carriages for the
vandalism that happened while the trains were parked in the sidings of
Rome and Milan. FS just did not care and the trains were withdrawn.
FS/Trenitalia is easily the european network most badly managed those
days. Makes you wish for a come back of Mussolini :-? If it continues
like that it will become impossible to cross an italian border by
train.
--
Marc Van Dyck
Krzysiek
wrote:
> German Night Train from 2011: Timetable Conference
> - Direct CNL train Munich-Rome via Verona
> Travellers to/from Verona are advised to use EuroCity train Munich-
> Verona
> Travellers to/from Rome are advised to travel to Verona and to
> change to Trenitalia trains to Rome
No-one will do it, people will just take a direct flight
Is it more economical for railways to don't have passengers ?