And the Lie Machine Keeps Cranking Full Speed
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br31mdP8-Ug
The speech below was intended to be shared as a news release to the
media. I figure that qualifies it as news and thus worthy of posting
to
this forum.
Rich Putman in Mankato, Minnesota
Subject: Mayor says: "We Won't Take It Anymore"!
*If you agree with this message, please pass it on.
MAYOR OF SALT LAKE CITY TO BUSH, CONGRESS AND MEDIA "WE WON'T TAKE IT
ANYMORE"
This one ought to be read at every patriotic meeting and get-together!
It is guaranteed to send shivers down your spine!
=====
Address by Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson
Today, as we come together once again in this great city, we raise our
voices in unison to say to President Bush, to Vice President Cheney,
to
other members of the Bush Administration (past and present), to a
majority of Congress, including Utah's entire congressional
delegation, and
to much of the mainstream media: "You have failed us miserably and we
won't take it anymore."
While we had every reason to expect far more of you, you have been
pompous, greedy, cruel, and incompetent as you have led this great
nation
to a moral, military, and national security abyss." "You have
breached
trust with the American people in the most egregious ways. You have
utterly failed in the performance of your jobs. You have undermined
our
Constitution, permitted the violation of the most fundamental treaty
obligations, and betrayed the rule of law.
You have engaged in, or permitted, heinous human rights abuses of the
sort never before countenanced in our nation's history as a matter of
official policy. You have sent American men and women to kill and be
killed on the basis of lies, on the basis of shifting justifications,
without competent leadership, and without even a coherent plan for
this
monumental blunder.
We are here to tell you: We won't take it anymore! You have acted in
direct contravention of values that we, as Americans who love our
country, hold dear. You have deceived us in the most cynical,
outrageous ways.
You have undermined, or allowed the undermining of, our
constitutional
system of checks and balances among the three presumed co-equal
branches of government. You have helped lead our nation to the brink
of
fascism, of a dictatorship contemptuous of our nation's treaty
obligations,
federal statutory law, our Constitution, and the rule of law.
Because of you, and because of your jingoistic false 'patriotism,' our
world is far more dangerous, our nation is far more despised, and the
threat of terrorism is far greater than ever before. It has been
absolutely astounding how you have committed the most horrendous
acts, causing
such needless tragedy in the lives of millions of people, yet you
wear
your so-called religion on your sleeves, asserting your
God-is-on-my-side nonsense when what you have done flies in the face
of any religious
or humanitarian tradition. Your hypocrisy is mind-boggling - and
disgraceful. What part of "Thou shalt not kill" do you not
understand? What
part of the "Golden rule" do you not understand? What part of "be
honest," "be responsible," and "be accountable" don't you understand?
What
part of "Blessed are the peacekeepers" do you not understand?
Because of you, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, many
thousands of people have suffered horrendous lifetime injuries, and
millions have been run off from their homes. For the sake of our
nation,
for the sake of our children, and for the sake of our brothers and
sisters around the world, we are morally compelled to say, as loudly
as we
can, "We won't take it anymore!" As United States agents kidnap,
disappear, and torture human beings around the world, you justify,
you
deceive, and you cover up. We find what you have done to men, women
and
children, and to the good name and reputation of the United States,
so
appalling, so unconscionable, and so outrageous as to compel us to
call upon
you to step aside and allow other men and women who are competent,
true
to our nation's values, and with high moral principles to stand in
your places for the good of our nation, for the good of our children,
and
for the good of our world.
In the case of the President and Vice President, this means
impeachment
and removal from office, without any further delay from a complacent,
complicit Congress, the Democratic majority of which cares more about
political gain in 2008 than it does about the vindication of our
Constitution, the rule of law, and democratic accountability. It
means the
election of people as President and Vice President who, unlike most
of the
presidential candidates from both major parties, have not aided and
abetted in the perpetration of the illegal, tragic, devastating
invasion
and occupation of Iraq. And it means the election of people as
President and Vice President who will commit to return our nation to
the moral
and strategic imperative of refraining from torturing human beings.
In
the case of the majority of Congress, it means electing people who
are
diligent enough to learn the facts, including reading available
National Intelligence Estimates, before voting to go to war. It means
electing
to Congress men and women who will jealously guard Congress's sole
prerogative to declare war. It means electing to Congress men and
women
who will not submit like vapid lap dogs to presidential requests for
blank checks to engage in so-called preemptive wars, for legislation
permitting warrant-less wiretapping of communications involving US
citizens,
and for dangerous, irresponsible, saber-rattling legislation like the
recent Kyl- Lieberman amendment.
We must avoid the trap of focusing the blame solely upon President
Bush
and Vice-President Cheney. This is not just about a few people who
have wronged our country - and the world. They were enabled by
members of
both parties in Congress, they were enabled by the pathetic
mainstream
news media, and, ultimately, they have been enabled by the American
people--40% of whom are so ill-informed they still think Iraq was
behind
the 9/11 attacks a people who know and care more about baseball
statistics and which drunken starlets are not wearing underwear than
they know
and care about the atrocities being committed every single day in our
name by a government for which we need to take responsibility.
As loyal Americans, without regard to political partisanship as
veterans, as teachers, as religious leaders, as working men and
women, as
students, as professionals, as businesspeople, as public servants, as
retirees, as people of all ages, races, ethnic origins, sexual
orientations,
and faiths we are here to say to the Bush administration, to the
majority of Congress, and to the mainstream media: "You have violated
your
solemn responsibilities. You have undermined our democracy, spat upon
our Constitution, and engaged in outrageous, despicable acts. You
have
brought our nation to a point of immorality, inhumanity, and
illegality
of immense, tragic, unprecedented proportions."
But we will live up to our responsibilities as citizens, as brothers
and sisters of those who have suffered as a result of the imperial
bullying of the United States government, and as moral actors who
must take a
stand: And we will, and must, mean it when we say 'We won't take it
anymore.' If we want principled, courageous elected officials, we
need to
be principled, courageous, and tenacious ourselves. History has
demonstrated that our elected officials are not the leaders the
leadership
has to come from us. If we don't insist, if we don't persist, then we
are
not living up to our responsibilities as citizens in a democracy and
our responsibilities as moral human beings. If we remain silent, we
signal to Congress and the Bush administration and to candidates
running
for office and to the world that we support the status quo.
Silence is complicity. Only by standing up for what's right and never
letting down can we say we are doing our part. Our government, on the
basis of a campaign we now know was entirely fraudulent, attacked and
militarily occupied a nation that posed no danger to the United
States.
Our government, acting in our name, has caused immense, unjustified
death
and destruction. It all started five years ago, yet where have we,
the
American people, been? At this point, we are responsible. We get
together once in a while at demonstrations and complain about Bush
and
Cheney, about Congress, and about the pathetic news media. We point
fingers
and yell a lot. Then most people politely go away until another
demonstration a few months later.
How many people can honestly say they have spent as much time learning
about and opposing the outrages of the Bush administration as they
have
spent watching sports or mindless television programs during the past
five years? Escapist, time-sapping sports and insipid entertainment
have indeed become the opiate of the masses. Why is this country so
sound-asleep? Why do we abide what is happening to our nation, to our
Constitution, to the cause of peace and international law and order?
Why are
we not doing all in our power to put an end to this madness? We
should
be in the streets regularly and students should be raising hell on
our
campuses. We should be making it clear in every way possible that
apologies or convoluted, disingenuous explanations just don't cut it
when
presidential candidates and so many others voted to authorize George
Bush
and his neo-con buddies to send American men and women to attack and
occupy Iraq.
Let's awaken, and wake up the country by committing here and now to do
all each of us can to take our nation back. Let them hear us across
the
country, as we ask others to join us: "We won't take it anymore!" I
implore you: Draw a line. Figure out exactly where your own moral
breaking point is. How much will you put up with before you say "No
more" and
mean it?
I have drawn my line as a matter of simple personal morality: I
cannot,
and will not, support any candidate who has voted to fund the
atrocities in Iraq. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who
will not
commit to remove all US troops, as soon as possible, from Iraq. I
cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has supported
legislation
that takes us one step closer to attacking Iran. I cannot, and will
not,
support any candidate who has not fought to stop the kidnapping,
disappearances, and torture being carried on in our name.
If we expect our nation's elected officials to take us seriously, let
us send a powerful message they cannot misunderstand. Let them know
we
really do have our moral breaking point. Let them know we have drawn
a
bright line. Let them know they cannot take our support for granted
that, regardless of their party and regardless of other political
considerations, they will not have our support if they cannot
provide, and have
not provided, principled leadership.
The people of this nation may have been far too quiet for five years,
but let us pledge that we won't let it go on one more day that we
will
do all we can to put an end to the illegalities, the moral
degradation,
and the disintegration of our nation's reputation in the world.
Let us be unified in drawing the line in declaring that we do have a
moral breaking point. Let us insist, together, in supporting our
troops
and in gratitude for the freedoms for which our veterans gave so much
that we bring our troops home from Iraq , that we return our
government
to a constitutional democracy, and that we commit to honoring the
fundamental principles of human rights.
In defense of our country, in defense of our Constitution, in defense
of our shared values as Americans and as moral human beings we
declare
today that we will fight in every way possible to stop the insanity,
stop the continued military occupation of Iraq, and stop the moral
depravity reflected by the kidnapping, disappearing, and torture of
people
around the world.
If you believe the above, I challenge you to do something to save OUR
County and the World. I believe Dr. Ron Paul,
[http://www.ronpaul2008.com/], is the man that wants to do the above
things for his & our children and grandkids. Please take a Stand,
Now!
Say, "We won't take it anymore!"
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Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
That kook?
He also insulted the voters and spewed as many insane ideas as Ron Paul.
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-radia1126.artnov26,0,1063800.story
"At a press conference recently commenting on consumption of bottled water,
Salt Lake City Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson went as far as to declare
that consumption of bottled water "very clearly reflects the wasteful and
reckless consumerism in this country. ... You really have to wonder at the
utter stupidity and the irresponsibility sometimes of American consumers."
One has to question the wisdom of a lawmaker who calls his constituents
stupid, but that's another issue."
No normal news outlet cares what kooky Anderson has to say.
knews4...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Subject: Mayor says: "We Won't Take It Anymore"!
> > Address by Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson
>
> That kook?
>
> He also insulted the voters and spewed as many insane ideas as Ron Paul.
>
> http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-radia1126.artnov26,...
knews4...@yahoo.com
>
> > knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Subject: Mayor says: "We Won't Take It Anymore"!
> > Address by Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson
>
> That kook?
>
> He also insulted the voters and spewed as many insane ideas as Ron Paul.
>
expecting a different result."
Is Ron Paul advocating the "same old thing?"
> http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-radia1126.artnov26,...
> "At a press conference recently commenting on consumption of bottled water,
> Salt Lake City Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson went as far as to declare
> that consumption of bottled water "very clearly reflects the wasteful and
> reckless consumerism in this country. ...
You disagree?
http://www.chrisjordan.com/current_set2.php?id
>You really have to wonder at the
> utter stupidity and the irresponsibility sometimes of American consumers."
And that has what to do with the Lie Machine?
And the NAU?
And the destruction of "America?"
> One has to question the wisdom of a lawmaker who calls his constituents
> stupid, but that's another issue."
>
And how many "constituents" does Bushwacker and the Congroids have
these days?
> No normal news outlet cares what kooky Anderson has to say.
Define "normal news outlet."
Would that be main stream corporate zionist controlled?
Nice try at smearing though.
Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
> The definition of insanity is "doing the same thing
> over and over expecting a different result."
>
> Is Ron Paul advocating the "same old thing?"
When did he change his tune?
Let's face it. What a politician has to say and do to get elected, isn't
good for the country as a whole.
And the politician who says (s)he'll do what's needed, can't get elected.
--
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For
those who do not, none will suffice." - Joseph Dunniger
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia
Bob Brock
So you think that paying over a dollar for twenty ounces of tap water
makes sense? I don't.
Dan Bloomquist
You are addressing an idiot.
TheDM
news:3gp9l3lmfe57crk5q...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:27:25 -0500, "Paul Thomas, CPA"
> <paultho...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Subject: Mayor says: "We Won't Take It Anymore"!
>>> Address by Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>That kook?
>>
>>
>>He also insulted the voters and spewed as many insane ideas as Ron
>>Paul.
>>
>>
>>http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-
radia1126.artnov26,0,
>>1063800.story "At a press conference recently commenting on
>>consumption of bottled water, Salt Lake City Mayor Ross C. "Rocky"
>>Anderson went as far as to declare that consumption of bottled water
>>"very clearly reflects the wasteful and reckless consumerism in this
>>country. ... You really have to wonder at the utter stupidity and the
>>irresponsibility sometimes of American consumers." One has to question
>>the wisdom of a lawmaker who calls his constituents stupid, but that's
>>another issue."
>>
>>
>>
>>No normal news outlet cares what kooky Anderson has to say.
>
> So you think that paying over a dollar for twenty ounces of tap water
> makes sense? I don't.
I've never been able to figure out the whole bottled water thing either.
In my opinion, it's like paying for air. When I was young and it
started showing up on shelves, I thought, "Why the hell would any one
buy that?" Of course, it's regional, when we lived in AZ, you pretty
much want to have bottled water delivered to your house. You can drink
the water there of course, but it tastes like crap. Run that stuff
through a coffee maker or the like, you'll clog it in a month.
That was in the 70's though, I would think it's better now. I would
hope so anyways. Anyone know?
Myal
I buy bottled water for my house , the tap water is interesting , it
eats out the copper pipes , kills electric water heaters in 24 months ,
I have put stainless steel seats into all my taps because the water eats
the brass seats ...
where it leaked into the basins and sinks , for only a few weeks , there
is a solid crust of lime trailing to the drain
I think its got something to do with the coal mines tho , or maybe the
tannery upstream of the town pumping station , it sprays its waste over
its paddocks , that happen to be pretty much the bank of the river the
town pumps its water out of .. when it rains , people get sick , it also
happens that the tannery waste washes into the river then too , people
joke about the shiny fish , from all the chrome the tannery puts in the
river ...
Its worth it tho to enjoy such pleasure of civilisation , primitive
people dont do these wonderous things to their water
Bob Brock
Most of our bottled water comes from the same well that our tap water
comes from. There is no difference in quality.
AZ Nomad
>I've never been able to figure out the whole bottled water thing either.
>In my opinion, it's like paying for air. When I was young and it
>started showing up on shelves, I thought, "Why the hell would any one
>buy that?" Of course, it's regional, when we lived in AZ, you pretty
>much want to have bottled water delivered to your house. You can drink
>the water there of course, but it tastes like crap. Run that stuff
>through a coffee maker or the like, you'll clog it in a month.
I live in AZ, the tap water tastes like crap, and I wouldn't ever
consider delivered bottled water.
Let's see:
choice 1: take your bottles to water store, and fill them: 12 gallons for
$3. Comes to $13/month.
choice 2: have it delivered: pay $8 per 5 gallons, or about $80/month.
choice 3: get an undersink filter for $125.
Somehow choice 2 doesn't sounds like a great idea.
knews4...@yahoo.com
Get a counter top water distiller for less than $200.
Lasts for years longer than a filter and gives the best water.
Dan Bloomquist
The cost of energy would far exceed changing my pre filters on occasion
for my RO supply. No thanks.
knews4...@yahoo.com
Agreed.
But the water is the best.
This would be one good use for solar.
One can make an evaporative solar distiller.
Dan Bloomquist
I don't care for the taste of distilled water. But I do have a
Midi-still SS-4 in the shop, rarely used...
Myal
distilled water leeches minerals from your body
AZ Nomad
Take a fucking vitamin.
Curly Surmudgeon
Viagra is not a vitamin.
--Regards, Curly
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AZ Nomad
How about if you take two full grams?
knews4...@yahoo.com
WRONG.
Your body get's plenty of minerals from your food.
Water is meant to cleans the body of toxins not deliver minerals or
FLUORIDE.
If you drink "mineral" water, you haven't got the slightest idea of
what minerals you are getting or if your body even needs them.
Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Your body get's plenty of minerals from your food.
Really? What minerals are in a Big Mac?
> Water is meant to cleans the body of toxins not deliver minerals
Water delivers to the body whatever is in the water that one drinks.
> If you drink "mineral" water, you haven't got the slightest idea of
> what minerals you are getting or if your body even needs them.
Yet, you can go to the mineral water website and see the mineral content.
Whether or not your body needs, or how much it absorbs, of the vitamins or
minerals found in food or water varies greatly, does it not.
--
Two Reasons Why It's So Hard To Solve A Redneck Murder:
1. All the DNA is the same.
2. There are no dental records.
--------------------------
AZ Nomad
><knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Your body get's plenty of minerals from your food.
>Really? What minerals are in a Big Mac?
all of them and in far higher quantities than you'll find in hard water.
Depiste what you read in the press, big mac's aren't made from plastic.
>> Water is meant to cleans the body of toxins not deliver minerals
>Water delivers to the body whatever is in the water that one drinks.
Mostly, what it delivers is water. The crap floating in it isn't
generally beneficial.
Paul Thomas, CPA
"AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
> Paul Thomas, CPA <paultho...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>><knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Your body get's plenty of minerals from your food.
>
>
>>Really? What minerals are in a Big Mac?
> Depiste what you read in the press, big mac's aren't made from plastic.
Lack of knowledgable answer noted.
>>> Water is meant to cleans the body of toxins not deliver minerals
>
>
>>Water delivers to the body whatever is in the water that one drinks.
> Mostly, what it delivers is water.
Probably because it's mostly water.
> The crap floating in it isn't
> generally beneficial.
Did I say it was beneficial?
--
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For
those who do not, none will suffice." - Joseph Dunniger
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia
AZ Nomad
>"AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
>> Paul Thomas, CPA <paultho...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>><knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> Your body get's plenty of minerals from your food.
>>
>>
>>>Really? What minerals are in a Big Mac?
>> Depiste what you read in the press, big mac's aren't made from plastic.
>Lack of knowledgable answer noted.
Your total lack of any refutation is noted. Put up or shut up.
>>>> Water is meant to cleans the body of toxins not deliver minerals
>>
>>
>>>Water delivers to the body whatever is in the water that one drinks.
>> Mostly, what it delivers is water.
>Probably because it's mostly water.
No shit, sherlock.
EskW...@spamblock.panix.com
> <knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > Your body get's plenty of minerals from your food.
> Really? What minerals are in a Big Mac?
Iron, at least. What minerals are in flour and lettuce? They too are in
a Big Mac.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
AZ Nomad
>In misc.survivalism Paul Thomas, CPA <paultho...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> <knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> > Your body get's plenty of minerals from your food.
>> Really? What minerals are in a Big Mac?
>Iron, at least. What minerals are in flour and lettuce? They too are in
>a Big Mac.
Don't bother him with actual data. He gets all his nutrition by drinking
two hundred thousand gallons of tap water every day. And he gets all
his exercise running to the bathroom.
Myal
hey , its so wrong itll disolve kidneystones ....
Water is for drinking , to begin spouting "it is meant to.." is
senseless , who decided what water is meant to do ? you , god , or some
bolke you met at the pub ?
AZ Nomad
>> WRONG.
>> Your body get's plenty of minerals from your food.
>> Water is meant to cleans the body of toxins not deliver minerals or
>> FLUORIDE.
>> If you drink "mineral" water, you haven't got the slightest idea of
>> what minerals you are getting or if your body even needs them.
>hey , its so wrong itll disolve kidneystones ....
>Water is for drinking , to begin spouting "it is meant to.." is
>senseless , who decided what water is meant to do ? you , god , or some
>bolke you met at the pub ?
...It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into
our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual.
Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Paul Thomas, CPA
"AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
And this differs from eating a Big Mac in what way?
> Certainly without any choice.
Someone forced you to drink water? Fer shame.
You had the choice to eat the Big Mac and drink the water - bottled, tapped,
kegged, canned, or free flowing from a stream - and who knows what the
contents of any of it are - right.
--
Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.
----------
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Robert Sturgeon
>In misc.survivalism Paul Thomas, CPA <paultho...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> <knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> > Your body get's plenty of minerals from your food.
>
>> Really? What minerals are in a Big Mac?
>
>Iron, at least. What minerals are in flour and lettuce? They too are in
>a Big Mac.
Big Macs have beef, flour, lettuce, pickles, cheese, onions,
and "special sauce," which seems to about the same as
thousand island salad dressing -- ketchup (tomatoes),
mayonnaise (eggs, etc.), and sweet pickles. Plenty of
minerals, vitamins, carbohydrates, fat, and proteins.
Contrary to what the worry warts would have you believe,
there's plenty of good nutrition in a Big Mac. Is it the
perfect food? No. Nothing else is, either. Is it
practically poisonous? Not at all. If ALL you had to eat
were Big Macs, you'd probably do pretty well for quite a
while.
--
Robert Sturgeon
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
K. Jones
"Dan Bloomquist" <publ...@lakeweb.com> wrote in message
news:P_h5j.21704$ya1...@news02.roc.ny...
Not that I personally would use distilled water for drinking water, how much
carry-over do you get from a $200 simple distillation unit?
Have you ever had the condensate tested?
> The cost of energy would far exceed changing my pre filters on occasion
> for my RO supply. No thanks.
I wonder what the cost of water from a small home RO unit would be
compared to similarly sized ambient temperature vacuum distillation unit?
K. Jones
K. Jones
"Myal" <Dum...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:q5n5j.20398$CN4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
The jury is still out on that one. There's a school of thought that the
exact opposite occurs.
Do you have a cite from a dis-interested source?
K. Jones
Myal
no online cite , but several years of interest in kidney and cancer
related issues from a non mainstream approach , the same thing keeps
turning up over and again .
Im a bit web weary when it comes to sifting the fact from fudge online
in relation to these things tho .
K. Jones
In my searches, the "opposite", or the claim that distilled water enhances
mineral absorption, keeps "turning up over and again".
None so far, appear to be from "dis interested" sources.
My biggest concern would be how you manage bacteria growth with a home
distiller?
Do these $200 units come equiped with UV sterilizer or something?
K. Jones
AZ Nomad
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>In my searches, the "opposite", or the claim that distilled water enhances
>mineral absorption, keeps "turning up over and again".
>None so far, appear to be from "dis interested" sources.
>My biggest concern would be how you manage bacteria growth with a home
>distiller?
>Do these $200 units come equiped with UV sterilizer or something?
they aren't distillers. They're merely filters or reverse osmosis.
Myal
Id be wary ..
If the minerals are disolved in the water before drinking , yeah , its a
good carrier , but if you are an average person with the average
allready lacking diet , drinking water devoid of mineral , isnt going to
add to uptake of what isnt there to be up taken , but it will leech out
the minerals there allready
itll also disolve kedney stones , learned that when I lived where the
water was very mineralised , and kidney stones were common complaint ,
drink distilled water , it leeches disolves and takes up the stones ,
piss them out when they get small enough to pass .
keep on drinking only distilled water .. itll keep on leeching but when
you get rid of the excess , its taking what you are needing ...
> My biggest concern would be how you manage bacteria growth with a home
> distiller?
> Do these $200 units come equiped with UV sterilizer or something?
>
> K. Jones
>
Dunno
I made my own wood fired still , chucked it when the boiler got too
heavily limed up to be any good .
K. Jones
>>>>> distilled water leeches minerals from your body
>>>> The jury is still out on that one. There's a school of thought that
>>>> the exact opposite occurs.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a cite from a dis-interested source?
>>>>
>>>> K. Jones
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> no online cite , but several years of interest in kidney and cancer
>>> related issues from a non mainstream approach , the same thing keeps
>>> turning up over and again .
>>
>> In my searches, the "opposite", or the claim that distilled water
>> enhances mineral absorption, keeps "turning up over and again".
>> None so far, appear to be from "dis interested" sources.
>>
>
> Id be wary ..
>
> If the minerals are disolved in the water before drinking , yeah , its a
> good carrier , but if you are an average person with the average allready
> lacking diet , drinking water devoid of mineral , isnt going to add to
> uptake of what isnt there to be up taken , but it will leech out the
> minerals there allready
Not exactly a dis-interested web site but consider the followingL
http://www.energiseforlife.com/distilled-water-questions.php
2. I heard that distilled water is leeches minerals from the body, is this
true?
It is unsure where this myth came from, but it is not based upon any
scientific fact and is literally a lie. It is presumed that it was a rumour
started by an individual or company with vested interests (possibly a
manufacturer of an alternative filter or purifier).
'Your question as to whether distilled water leaches minerals out of the
body reflects another persistent myth. While pure water helps to remove
minerals from the body that cells have eliminated or not used, it does not
"leach" out minerals that have become part of your body's cell structure.
Neither does distilled water cause your teeth to deteriorate, a false claim
made by a filter manufacturer looking to boost sales. As far as acidity
goes, distilled water is close to a neutral pH and has no effect on the body's
acid/base balance'. - Dr Andrew Weil
"Distilled water has an inherent quality. Acting almost like a magnet, it
picks up rejected, discarded, and unusable minerals and, assisted by the
blood and the lymph, carries them to the lungs and kidneys for elimination
from the body. The statement that distilled water leaches minerals from the
body has no basis in fact. It doesn't leach out minerals that have become
part of the cell structure. It can't and won't. It collects only minerals
that have already been rejected or excreted by the cells...To suggest that
distilled water takes up minerals from foods so that the body derives no
benefit from them is absurd." - Harvey & Marilyn Diamond, Fit for Life II:
Living Health
As to the "already lacking diet" :
3. Isn't distilled water void of minerals that my body needs?
Another popular myth. The simple fact is that the human body can only use
and absorb certain types of minerals (organic as opposed to inorganic) and
only from certain sources. The human body is designed to get it's minerals
from foods, not from water and so the best thing we can do for our water is
make it as pure from toxins and chemicals as possible.
While it is true that the process of distillation removes certain minerals
from the water it is highly unlikely that any of the beneficial minerals
could be used by the body. Research has shown that the body is unlikely to
be able to absorb the minerals from water and one study has even claimed
that you would have to drink over 650 eight-ounce glasses of tap water to
reach the Recommended Daily Allowance for calcium. The fact that
distillation makes water 100% pure should not be of concern.
"The body's need for minerals is largely met through foods, not drinking
water." - American Medical Journal
"The minerals which the human body needs that are in the water are
insignificant to those in food. and anyone simply eating a varied diet, not
even a balanced diet, could hardly suffer a mineral deficiency." - Dr. Henry
A. Schroeder, Dartmouth Medical School
> itll also disolve kedney stones , learned that when I lived where the
> water was very mineralised , and kidney stones were common complaint ,
> drink distilled water , it leeches disolves and takes up the stones , piss
> them out when they get small enough to pass .
>
> keep on drinking only distilled water .. itll keep on leeching but when
> you get rid of the excess , its taking what you are needing ...
I don't drink distilled water.
>> My biggest concern would be how you manage bacteria growth with a home
>> distiller?
>> Do these $200 units come equiped with UV sterilizer or something?
>>
>> K. Jones
>>
>
> Dunno
>
> I made my own wood fired still , chucked it when the boiler got too
> heavily limed up to be any good .
Softening the water first would take care of a lot of that.
K. Jones
Myal
I LOVE the take on minerals and vitamins that mainstream medicine has :)
I used to laugh at their assertions that the ag chemicals in the food
supply are no danger either , or that there is adaquate mineral and
vitamin content in the super refined and processed food supply we have .
After getting a bit of a better understanding of what and how the body
uses , I disagree largely with the above articles , but then Im going
against estabished and paid for medical science doing so I guess too ...
>
>> itll also disolve kedney stones , learned that when I lived where the
>> water was very mineralised , and kidney stones were common complaint ,
>> drink distilled water , it leeches disolves and takes up the stones , piss
>> them out when they get small enough to pass .
>>
>> keep on drinking only distilled water .. itll keep on leeching but when
>> you get rid of the excess , its taking what you are needing ...
>
> I don't drink distilled water.
>
I wasnt meaning you personally , but talking from experience .
AZ Nomad
>I LOVE the take on minerals and vitamins that mainstream medicine has :)
>I used to laugh at their assertions that the ag chemicals in the food
>supply are no danger either , or that there is adaquate mineral and
>vitamin content in the super refined and processed food supply we have .
>After getting a bit of a better understanding of what and how the body
>uses , I disagree largely with the above articles , but then Im going
>against estabished and paid for medical science doing so I guess too ...
You don't have a better understanding. You've simply deluded yourself.
Myal
any info to contribute or just personal attack ?
thought so ...
Bill Ward
That's what water's for. Otherwise you'd set up like concrete.
knews4...@yahoo.com
> "Myal" <Duma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:osK5j.20885$CN4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>
> >>>>> distilled water leeches minerals from your body
> >>>> The jury is still out on that one. There's a school of thought that
> >>>> the exact opposite occurs.
>
> >>>> Do you have a cite from a dis-interested source?
>
> >>>> K. Jones
>
> >>> no online cite , but several years of interest in kidney and cancer
> >>> related issues from a non mainstream approach , the same thing keeps
> >>> turning up over and again .
>
> >> In my searches, the "opposite", or the claim that distilled water
> >> enhances mineral absorption, keeps "turning up over and again".
> >> None so far, appear to be from "dis interested" sources.
>
> > Id be wary ..
>
> > If the minerals are disolved in the water before drinking , yeah , its a
> > good carrier , but if you are an average person with the average allready
> > lacking diet , drinking water devoid of mineral , isnt going to add to
> > uptake of what isnt there to be up taken , but it will leech out the
> > minerals there allready
>
> 2. I heard that distilled water is leeches minerals from the body, is this
> true?
>
> It is unsure where this myth came from, but it is not based upon any
> scientific fact and is literally a lie. It is presumed that it was a rumour
> started by an individual or company with vested interests (possibly a
> manufacturer of an alternative filter or purifier).
>
> 'Your question as to whether distilled water leaches minerals out of the
> body reflects another persistent myth. While pure water helps to remove
> minerals from the body that cells have eliminated or not used, it does not
> "leach" out minerals that have become part of your body's cell structure.
> Neither does distilled water cause your teeth to deteriorate, a false claim
> made by a filter manufacturer looking to boost sales. As far as acidity
> goes, distilled water is close to a neutral pH and has no effect on the body's
> acid/base balance'. - Dr Andrew Weil
>
ie.watse.
> "Distilled water has an inherent quality. Acting almost like a magnet, it
> picks up rejected, discarded, and unusable minerals and, assisted by the
> blood and the lymph, carries them to the lungs and kidneys for elimination
> from the body. The statement that distilled water leaches minerals from the
> body has no basis in fact. It doesn't leach out minerals that have become
> part of the cell structure. It can't and won't. It collects only minerals
> that have already been rejected or excreted by the cells...To suggest that
> distilled water takes up minerals from foods so that the body derives no
> benefit from them is absurd." - Harvey & Marilyn Diamond, Fit for Life II:
> Living Health
>
What water does is HYDRATE the cells to saturation.
This a very healthy state for most cells.
> As to the "already lacking diet" :
> 3. Isn't distilled water void of minerals that my body needs?
>
> Another popular myth. The simple fact is that the human body can only use
> and absorb certain types of minerals (organic as opposed to inorganic) and
> only from certain sources. The human body is designed to get it's minerals
> from foods, not from water and so the best thing we can do for our water is
> make it as pure from toxins and chemicals as possible.
>
No Fluoride please...
> While it is true that the process of distillation removes certain minerals
> from the water it is highly unlikely that any of the beneficial minerals
> could be used by the body. Research has shown that the body is unlikely to
> be able to absorb the minerals from water and one study has even claimed
> that you would have to drink over 650 eight-ounce glasses of tap water to
> reach the Recommended Daily Allowance for calcium. The fact that
> distillation makes water 100% pure should not be of concern.
>
> "The body's need for minerals is largely met through foods, not drinking
> water." - American Medical Journal
>
Must be a CONSPIRACY.
> "The minerals which the human body needs that are in the water are
> insignificant to those in food. and anyone simply eating a varied diet, not
> even a balanced diet, could hardly suffer a mineral deficiency." - Dr. Henry
> A. Schroeder, Dartmouth Medical School
>
> > itll also disolve kedney stones , learned that when I lived where the
> > water was very mineralised , and kidney stones were common complaint ,
> > drink distilled water , it leeches disolves and takes up the stones , piss
> > them out when they get small enough to pass .
>
> > keep on drinking only distilled water .. itll keep on leeching but when
> > you get rid of the excess , its taking what you are needing ...
>
> I don't drink distilled water.
>
> >> My biggest concern would be how you manage bacteria growth with a home
> >> distiller?
To distill water you boil it.
No bacteria survives unless it's a prion.
> >> Do these $200 units come equiped with UV sterilizer or something?
>
> >> K. Jones
>
> > Dunno
>
> > I made my own wood fired still , chucked it when the boiler got too
> > heavily limed up to be any good .
>
> Softening the water first would take care of a lot of that.
>
If you "soften" it you are adding something like salt to the water.
It will just be left in your distiller as well.
To clean a distiller you just put vinegar and water in it for a few
days.
That will disolve and remove your minerals and sludge deposits.
> K. Jones
You blew it.
AZ Nomad
>thought so ...
Hello pot. Meet kettle.
If you have some citation for research that supports the assertion that
drinking purified water leaches minerals THEN POST IT.
Otherwise, you've already lost the argument and your only reason to be
here is to receive abuse. In that regard, you're succeeded beyond your
wildest dreams at proving yourself to be a witless moron.
AZ Nomad
>"AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
>>
>> ...It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced
>> into
>> our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual.
>And this differs from eating a Big Mac in what way?
>> Certainly without any choice.
>Someone forced you to drink water? Fer shame.
>You had the choice to eat the Big Mac and drink the water - bottled, tapped,
>kegged, canned, or free flowing from a stream - and who knows what the
>contents of any of it are - right.
Shoom. Right over your head. It was a quote from Dr. Strangelove.
Paul Thomas, CPA
"AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
> It was a quote from Dr. Strangelove.
Dr. Starngelove talks about Big Macs?
Dude, you watch too much TV and movies.
BradGuth
behold, it's too late except for stopping WWIII. What are those
odds?
- Brad Guth
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 2, 8:45 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br31mdP8-Ug
>
>
> The speech below was intended to be shared as a news release to the
> media. I figure that qualifies it as news and thus worthy of posting
> to this forum.
>
> Rich Putman in Mankato, Minnesota
>
> Subject: Mayor says: "We Won't Take It Anymore"!
> *If you agree with this message, please pass it on.
>
> MAYOR OF SALT LAKE CITY TO BUSH, CONGRESS AND MEDIA "WE WON'T TAKE IT
> ANYMORE"
> This one ought to be read at every patriotic meeting and get-together!
> It is guaranteed to send shivers down your spine!
> =====
>
> Address by Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson
>
> Today, as we come together once again in this great city, we raise our
> voices in unison to say to President Bush, to Vice President Cheney,
> to
> other members of the Bush Administration (past and present), to a
> majority of Congress, including Utah's entire congressional
> delegation, and
> to much of the mainstream media: "You have failed us miserably and we
> won't take it anymore."
>
> While we had every reason to expect far more of you, you have been
> pompous, greedy, cruel, and incompetent as you have led this great
> nation
> to a moral, military, and national security abyss." "You have
> breached
> trust with the American people in the most egregious ways. You have
> utterly failed in the performance of your jobs. You have undermined
> our
> Constitution, permitted the violation of the most fundamental treaty
> obligations, and betrayed the rule of law.
>
> You have engaged in, or permitted, heinous human rights abuses of the
> sort never before countenanced in our nation's history as a matter of
> official policy. You have sent American men and women to kill and be
> killed on the basis of lies, on the basis of shifting justifications,
> without competent leadership, and without even a coherent plan for
> this
> monumental blunder.
>
> We are here to tell you: We won't take it anymore! You have acted in
> direct contravention of values that we, as Americans who love our
> country, hold dear. You have deceived us in the most cynical,
> outrageous ways.
> You have undermined, or allowed the undermining of, our
> constitutional
> system of checks and balances among the three presumed co-equal
> branches of government. You have helped lead our nation to the brink
> of
> fascism, of a dictatorship contemptuous of our nation's treaty
> obligations,
> federal statutory law, our Constitution, and the rule of law.
>
> Because of you, and because of your jingoistic false 'patriotism,' our
> world is far more dangerous, our nation is far more despised, and the
> threat of terrorism is far greater than ever before. It has been
> absolutely astounding how you have committed the most horrendous
> acts, causing
> such needless tragedy in the lives of millions of people, yet you
> wear
> your so-called religion on your sleeves, asserting your
> God-is-on-my-side nonsense when what you have done flies in the face
> of any religious
> or humanitarian tradition. Your hypocrisy is mind-boggling - and
> disgraceful. What part of "Thou shalt not kill" do you not
> understand? What
> part of the "Golden rule" do you not understand? What part of "be
> honest," "be responsible," and "be accountable" don't you understand?
> What
> part of "Blessed are the peacekeepers" do you not understand?
>
> Because of you, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, many
> thousands of people have suffered horrendous lifetime injuries, and
> millions have been run off from their homes. For the sake of our
> nation,
> for the sake of our children, and for the sake of our brothers and
> sisters around the world, we are morally compelled to say, as loudly
> as we
> can, "We won't take it anymore!" As United States agents kidnap,
> disappear, and torture human beings around the world, you justify,
> you
> deceive, and you cover up. We find what you have done to men, women
> and
> children, and to the good name and reputation of the United States,
> so
> appalling, so unconscionable, and so outrageous as to compel us to
> call upon
> you to step aside and allow other men and women who are competent,
> true
> to our nation's values, and with high moral principles to stand in
> your places for the good of our nation, for the good of our children,
> and
> for the good of our world.
>
> In the case of the President and Vice President, this means
> impeachment
> and removal from office, without any further delay from a complacent,
> complicit Congress, the Democratic majority of which cares more about
> political gain in 2008 than it does about the vindication of our
> Constitution, the rule of law, and democratic accountability. It
> means the
> election of people as President and Vice President who, unlike most
> of the
> presidential candidates from both major parties, have not aided and
> abetted in the perpetration of the illegal, tragic, devastating
> invasion
> and occupation of Iraq. And it means the election of people as
> President and Vice President who will commit to return our nation to
> the moral
> and strategic imperative of refraining from torturing human beings.
> In
> the case of the majority of Congress, it means electing people who
> are
> diligent enough to learn the facts, including reading available
> National Intelligence Estimates, before voting to go to war. It means
> electing
> to Congress men and women who will jealously guard Congress's sole
> prerogative to declare war. It means electing to Congress men and
> women
> who will not submit like vapid lap dogs to presidential requests for
> blank checks to engage in so-called preemptive wars, for legislation
> permitting warrant-less wiretapping of communications involving US
> citizens,
> and for dangerous, irresponsible, saber-rattling legislation like the
> recent Kyl- Lieberman amendment.
>
> We must avoid the trap of focusing the blame solely upon President
> Bush
> and Vice-President Cheney. This is not just about a few people who
> have wronged our country - and the world. They were enabled by
> members of
> both parties in Congress, they were enabled by the pathetic
> mainstream
> news media, and, ultimately, they have been enabled by the American
> people--40% of whom are so ill-informed they still think Iraq was
> behind
> the 9/11 attacks a people who know and care more about baseball
> statistics and which drunken starlets are not wearing underwear than
> they know
> and care about the atrocities being committed every single day in our
> name by a government for which we need to take responsibility.
>
> As loyal Americans, without regard to political partisanship as
> veterans, as teachers, as religious leaders, as working men and
> women, as
> students, as professionals, as businesspeople, as public servants, as
> retirees, as people of all ages, races, ethnic origins, sexual
> orientations,
> and faiths we are here to say to the Bush administration, to the
> majority of Congress, and to the mainstream media: "You have violated
> your
> solemn responsibilities. You have undermined our democracy, spat upon
> our Constitution, and engaged in outrageous, despicable acts. You
> have
> brought our nation to a point of immorality, inhumanity, and
> illegality
> of immense, tragic, unprecedented proportions."
>
> But we will live up to our responsibilities as citizens, as brothers
> and sisters of those who have suffered as a result of the imperial
> bullying of the United States government, and as moral actors who
> must take a
> stand: And we will, and must, mean it when we say 'We won't take it
> anymore.' If we want principled, courageous elected officials, we
> need to
> be principled, courageous, and tenacious ourselves. History has
> demonstrated that our elected officials are not the leaders the
> leadership
> has to come from us. If we don't insist, if we don't persist, then we
> are
> not living up to our responsibilities as citizens in a democracy and
> our responsibilities as moral human beings. If we remain silent, we
> signal to Congress and the Bush administration and to candidates
> running
> for office and to the world that we support the status quo.
>
> Silence is complicity. Only by standing up for what's right and never
> letting down can we say we are doing our part. Our government, on the
> basis of a campaign we now know was entirely fraudulent, attacked and
> militarily occupied a nation that posed no danger to the United
> States.
> Our government, acting in our name, has caused immense, unjustified
> death
> and destruction. It all started five years ago, yet where have we,
> the
> American people, been? At this point, we are responsible. We get
> together once in a while at demonstrations and complain about Bush
> and
> Cheney, about Congress, and about the pathetic news media. We point
> fingers
> and yell a lot. Then most people politely go away until another
> demonstration a few months later.
>
> How many people can honestly say they have spent as much time learning
> about and opposing the outrages of the Bush administration as they
> have
> spent watching sports or mindless television programs during the past
> five years? Escapist, time-sapping sports and insipid entertainment
> have indeed become the opiate of the masses. Why is this country so
> sound-asleep? Why do we abide what is happening to our nation, to our
> Constitution, to the cause of peace and international law and order?
> Why are
> we not doing all in our power to put an end to this madness? We
> should
> be in the streets regularly and students should be raising hell on
> our
> campuses. We should be making it clear in every way possible that
> apologies or convoluted, disingenuous explanations just don't cut it
> when
> presidential candidates and so many others voted to authorize George
> Bush
> and his neo-con buddies to send American men and women to attack and
> occupy Iraq.
>
> Let's awaken, and wake up the country by committing here and now to do
> all each of us can to take our nation back. Let them hear us across
> the
> country, as we ask others to join us: "We won't take it anymore!" I
> implore you: Draw a line. Figure out exactly where your own moral
> breaking point is. How much will you put up with before you say "No
> more" and
> mean it?
>
> I have drawn my line as a matter of simple personal morality: I
> cannot,
> and will not, support any candidate who has voted to fund the
> atrocities in Iraq. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who
> will not
> commit to remove all US troops, as soon as possible, from Iraq. I
> cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has supported
> legislation
> that takes us one step closer to attacking Iran. I cannot, and will
> not,
> support any candidate who has not fought to stop the kidnapping,
> disappearances, and torture being carried on in our name.
>
> If we expect our nation's elected officials to take us seriously, let
> us send a powerful message they cannot misunderstand. Let them know
> we
> really do have our moral breaking point. Let them know we have drawn
> a
> bright line. Let them know they cannot take our support for granted
> that, regardless of their party and regardless of other political
> considerations, they will not have our support if they cannot
> provide, and have
> not provided, principled leadership.
>
> The people of this nation may have been far too quiet for five years,
> but let us pledge that we won't let it go on one more day that we
> will
> do all we can to put an end to the illegalities, the moral
> degradation,
> and the disintegration of our nation's reputation in the world.
>
> Let us be unified in drawing the line in declaring that we do have a
> moral breaking point. Let us insist, together, in supporting our
> troops
> and in gratitude for the freedoms for which our veterans gave so much
> that we bring our troops home from Iraq , that we return our
> government
> to a constitutional democracy, and that we commit to honoring the
> fundamental principles of human rights.
>
> In defense of our country, in defense of our Constitution, in defense
> of our shared values as Americans and as moral human beings we
> declare
> today that we will fight in every way possible to stop the insanity,
> stop the continued military occupation of Iraq, and stop the moral
> depravity reflected by the kidnapping, disappearing, and torture of
> people
> around the world.
>
> If you believe the above, I challenge you to do something to save OUR
> County and the World. I believe Dr. Ron Paul,
> [http://www.ronpaul2008.com/], is the man that wants to do the above
> things for his & our children and grandkids. Please take a Stand,
> Now!
> Say, "We won't take it anymore!"
>
>
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Myal
you are one sad sorry little person
are you by chance , american ?
AZ Nomad
You're a boring little hypocrite.
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Curly Surmudgeon
> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:08:01 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon <Curly....@home.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:41:54 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
>
>>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:24:38 GMT, Myal <Dum...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 4, 8:16 am, AZ Nomad <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:48:04 -0000, TheDM <th...@nospamsunflower.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I've never been able to figure out the whole bottled water thing either.
>>>>>>> In my opinion, it's like paying for air. When I was young and it
>>>>>>> started showing up on shelves, I thought, "Why the hell would any one
>>>>>>> buy that?" Of course, it's regional, when we lived in AZ, you pretty
>>>>>>> much want to have bottled water delivered to your house. You can drink
>>>>>>> the water there of course, but it tastes like crap. Run that stuff
>>>>>>> through a coffee maker or the like, you'll clog it in a month.
>>>>>> I live in AZ, the tap water tastes like crap, and I wouldn't ever
>>>>>> consider delivered bottled water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's see:
>>>>>> choice 1: take your bottles to water store, and fill them: 12 gallons for
>>>>>> $3. Comes to $13/month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> choice 2: have it delivered: pay $8 per 5 gallons, or about $80/month.
>>>>>> choice 3: get an undersink filter for $125.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somehow choice 2 doesn't sounds like a great idea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a counter top water distiller for less than $200.
>>>>> Lasts for years longer than a filter and gives the best water.
>>>
>>>>distilled water leeches minerals from your body
>>>
>>> Take a fucking vitamin.
>
>>Viagra is not a vitamin.
>
> How about if you take two full grams?
No idea. Give it a try and report back.
--Regards, Curly
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Myal
I see , american to the core
Curly Surmudgeon
No, don't mistake our government for 'American'. Your once-great nation
is headed down the same Fascist path as Great Britain and the USA.
Fightng the ignorant pawns of Fascism does neither of us any good, go
after the head, not the fingers.
Corporatism, fascism, is the problem. If our elected representatives do
not represent us then we must replace them. Optimally this should be done
through lawful means. If lawful, honest, elections are denied then we
must use other means.
But disparaging you for being an aussie, or me as an american solves
nothing. In fact it is, in my opinion, the root cause. We've lost sight
of our objectives and focus on the minions of evil rather than the
puppetmasters.
Myal
There is a huge difference between americans , yanks , dickheads us
military , us govt , knuckle fuckers etc , and Americans , Americans , I
have respect for and take the effort to capitalise their nationality ,
the rest , yeah well , they exist but are just not worth the effort...
Im not Aussie , or aussie , and have a different of what the nation was
when it was great to most ...
Curly Surmudgeon
Then, please, wage war on the dickheads and not make my nationality a
derogatory term. I'll help you on that but my natural defensive instincts
jump up when my country is disparaged.
Most Americans are wonderful people. Ignorant but kind.
> Im not Aussie , or aussie , and have a different of what the nation was
> when it was great to most ...
Irrelvant, I was using it as an example and could as easily said, clan,
clade, tribe, or group.
knews4...@yahoo.com
> It sounds like there's more than a few unhappy campers. Well lo and
> behold, it's too late except for stopping WWIII. What are those
> odds?
> - Brad Guth
We can all call a spade a spade...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKMK5hbJ6i8