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Pico Rico

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May 15, 2012, 10:38:53 AM5/15/12
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Does a decedent need to file a personal income tax return for his final,
partial year, if his income is such that he would not be required to file
had he lived out the full year?


Is there a similar threshold regarding an estate tax return - can it be
avoided if the income from the time of death to the time the estate is
terminated is less than some threshold amount?

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Stuart A. Bronstein

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May 15, 2012, 11:31:42 AM5/15/12
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"Pico Rico" <Pico...@nonospam.com> wrote:

> Does a decedent need to file a personal income tax return for
> his final, partial year, if his income is such that he would not
> be required to file had he lived out the full year?

Well, not the decedent himself, of course.

I don't do returns, so I don't know if a final return is required
even with no taxable income. My guess is that at least it's a good
idea to notify the IRS that it's a final return.

> Is there a similar threshold regarding an estate tax return -
> can it be avoided if the income from the time of death to the
> time the estate is terminated is less than some threshold
> amount?

On estate taxes the code says that a return is required whenever the
value of the decedent's assets are greater than the lifetime
exemption amount, even if no taxes are due as a result of deductions.

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Alan

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May 15, 2012, 2:04:53 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/12 8:38 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
> Does a decedent need to file a personal income tax return for his final,
> partial year, if his income is such that he would not be required to file
> had he lived out the full year?

Direct answer: No. Best answer: It is always good practice to file a
final return as that starts the statute of limitation clock ticking. In
addition, some states require a final tax return with a copy of the
death certificate in order to remove the decedent from the tax role.
E.g., my state of New Mexico.

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>
> Is there a similar threshold regarding an estate tax return - can it be
> avoided if the income from the time of death to the time the estate is
> terminated is less than some threshold amount?
>

As you ask about income, I assume you are referring to Form 1041, the
income tax return for an estate.

An income tax return must be filed if the estate has gross income for
the tax year of at least $600 or a beneficiary is an NRA. Note that I
said "tax year" and not calendar year. You can use the period from the
date of death to the end of the calendar year as the tax year or you can
create a fiscal year that encompasses a full 12 months.

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Alan
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Pico Rico

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May 16, 2012, 11:54:24 AM5/16/12
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"Stuart A. Bronstein" <spam...@lexregia.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA05456B83F287s...@130.133.4.11...
> "Pico Rico" <Pico...@nonospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Does a decedent need to file a personal income tax return for
>> his final, partial year, if his income is such that he would not
>> be required to file had he lived out the full year?
>
> Well, not the decedent himself, of course.
>
> I don't do returns, so I don't know if a final return is required
> even with no taxable income. My guess is that at least it's a good
> idea to notify the IRS that it's a final return.
>
>> Is there a similar threshold regarding an estate tax return -
>> can it be avoided if the income from the time of death to the
>> time the estate is terminated is less than some threshold
>> amount?
>
> On estate taxes the code says that a return is required whenever the
> value of the decedent's assets are greater than the lifetime
> exemption amount, even if no taxes are due as a result of deductions.
>

would that be the value of the decedent's assets are greater than (lifetime
exemption amount - prior gifts applied against the exemption amount)?

Stuart A. Bronstein

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May 16, 2012, 12:08:30 PM5/16/12
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"Pico Rico" <Pico...@nonospam.com> wrote:

>> On estate taxes the code says that a return is required
>> whenever the value of the decedent's assets are greater than
>> the lifetime exemption amount, even if no taxes are due as a
>> result of deductions.
>
> would that be the value of the decedent's assets are greater
> than (lifetime exemption amount - prior gifts applied against
> the exemption amount)?

No, you don't deduct the lifetime exemption when determining whether
to file an estate tax return. You do exclude gifts that were under
the annual exclusion for years where no gift exceeded the annual
exclusion.

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Stu
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