Re: Humorous Quotations from the Experts
knews4...@yahoo.com
Eeyore wrote:
> PV wrote:
>
> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> writes:
> > >> Um, no. *
> > >
> > >For *home* use Ummmm, yes !
> >
> > Only because you have no imagination. *
>
> Why would I want a spreadsheet for home use ?
>
> Graham
Spreadsheet use spread from Biz/school applications to smallbiz/home
use, and went from lotus to excel, to quickbooks etc. It rolled in from
286pc school/home systems in pc. Now some OS's come with some basic
sread sheet. It can do scenario anlsys. pc was always considered biz
software and mac graphics.
knews4...@yahoo.com
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > PV wrote:
> >
> > > Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > >> Um, no. *
> > > >
> > > >For *home* use Ummmm, yes !
> > >
> > > Only because you have no imagination. *
> >
> > Why would I want a spreadsheet for home use ?
> >
> > Graham
>
> Spreadsheet use spread from Biz/school applications to smallbiz/home
> use, and went from lotus to excel, to quickbooks etc. It rolled in from
> 286pc school/home systems in pc. Now some OS's come with some basic
> software and mac for graphics.
Sorry, I didn't finish...
One would use a spreadsheet for keeping track of daily / monthly cost
data that can be added and accounted for to see a home budget,
expenses, etc. Also for tax and other accounting.
Good way to show kids where the money goes.
Eeyore
knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
Exactly. Business use!
Until the Internet came along almost ever PC in a home was being used for
work related activity only.
Graham
Eeyore
knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't know a *single person* who used it for this supposed 'home accounting'. It was
proposed but I've never know anyone do it.
Similarly there were even daft ideas of using PCs to store recipes and the like ! Silly
sods.
Graham
knews4...@yahoo.com
at home once they got their 286.
Actually DOS is very good for accounting a well.
But as I said, home accounting really didn't catch on until quicken was
invented now many banks offer budget and tracking type software with
their online banking.
> Similarly there were even daft ideas of using PCs to store recipes and the like ! Silly
> sods.
>
> Graham
I used mine mainly for word processesing.
One could use a spreadsheet for recipes.
It can work as a filing system.
I also use it for my phone book to this day. The cells are alphabetical
and there are mailing list apps and other small business uses like
inventory.
You smiled, you spoke, and I believed
I used computer controlled/imbedded equipment in the '70's and helped
build a Sinclair ZX-80 from a kit.
I got a "micro-computer" at work in 1981.
IBM, 160k single side floppy, no hard drive.
used a spreadsheet for calculations.
Bought a Vic-20 for home use, kids learned programing, we played chess
on the computer, various games, lots of fun.
Used Lotus at work and at home.
bought a IBM clone 8086 in 1986 or 87.
built several computers,
Have had a computer at home since then.
my grandson puts my home computers together now.
in early 91-92 sstarted getting online, with dialup, i think 1200 baud.
I knew many people getting computers way prior to internet.
j.
Richard Johnson
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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selling computer ever (still) was the Commodore 64.) I used mine for both
PC games and online with AOL, Genie, and Quantum Link. This was back in
'85. I built my first PC 8088 in '87. (Then upgraded to the NEC V20...whoo
whoo twice the speed!!) I still kept my Commodore 128 unit for games as it
was very superior to the XT machine both in audio and graphics. (That did
not last long though.)
Don Lancaster
> Eeyore wrote:
>
>> Until the Internet came along almost ever PC in a home was being used for
>> work related activity only.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
Not even wrong.
Business PC uses were a Johnny come Lately.
And a kicking and screaming one at that.
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Eeyore
Eeyore
"You smiled, you spoke, and I believed" wrote:
As a proportion of the population ?
And now ? Ppl don't buy them for home use to run spreadsheets you know !
Graham
Eeyore
Don Lancaster wrote:
> You smiled, you spoke, and I believed wrote:
> > Eeyore wrote:
>
> >> Until the Internet came along almost ever PC in a home was being used for
> >> work related activity only.
> >>
> >> Graham
>
> Not even wrong.
> Business PC uses were a Johnny come Lately.
> And a kicking and screaming one at that.
You're nuts. Certainly not the case here. Most home PC owners here pre-Internet
had them to take work home and stuff.
Graham
Eeyore
Richard Johnson wrote:
> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I know relatively few ppl who bought PCs just to play games actually.
Graham
Gunner
I did.
Gunner
"If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third
hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're
around."
"Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right
before demode` (out of fashion).
-Buddy Jordan 2001
Gray Shockley
>
> Eeyore wrote:
>> PV wrote:
>>
>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>>> Um, no. *
>>>>
>>>> For *home* use Ummmm, yes !
>>>
>>> Only because you have no imagination. *
>>
>> Why would I want a spreadsheet for home use ?
>>
>> Graham
>
> Spreadsheet use spread from Biz/school applications to smallbiz/home
> use, and went from lotus to excel, to quickbooks etc.
No, Child. The pioneer spreadsheet was Dan Bricklin's "VisiCalc" and
it ran on Apple ]['s.
> It rolled in from
> 286pc school/home systems in pc. Now some OS's come with some basic
> sread sheet. It can do scenario anlsys. pc was always considered biz
> software and mac graphics.
>
And that's why "Microfix" ran on a CP/M'd Apple ][+?
You know (well, you probably don't) how well WordStar ran on those
Apple ][+'s.
And dBase (3?).
There was also some modeling software as well.
And Mac ran in business offices, admin offices, security offices,
electronics design and just about any R&D that was important.
I actually owned a copy of "Windows 286" and Microsoft never did do
any decent programming.
Microsoft licensed the Macintosh interface for Windows 3.
You're either very young or very new.
Gray Shockley
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bat files a speciality
Tony Wesley
Nonsense. Bought my TRS-80 Model I in 1979 while I was working in heat
treat at a Ford axle plant. I didn't bring ring and pinions home.
RadicalModerate
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:27:46 -0500, knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Microsoft licensed the Macintosh interface for Windows 3.
It appears Apple had Microsoft design the user interface or a good portion
of it for the Mac's predecessor, the failed Lisa.
Lisa failed because it simply didn't have enough bang for the buck.
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Gray Shockley
(in article <eg314h$d62$1...@reader1.panix.com>):
> In misc.survivalism Gray Shockley <graysh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:27:46 -0500, knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>> Microsoft licensed the Macintosh interface for Windows 3.
>
> It appears Apple had Microsoft design the user interface or a good portion
> of it for the Mac's predecessor, the failed Lisa.
Nope. That was Xerox PARC. Microsoft had nothing even close to a
GUI.
Here, put these into Google.
+"macintosh" +1984 +Microsoft +windows
> Lisa failed because it simply didn't have enough bang for the buck.
That's putting it rather mildly. Or, actually, there weren't enough
people around with the "buck", period.
Apple sued (and lost) Microsoft over Apple's licensing of the
interface to Microsoft as the contract had just said for Microsoft's
"3.0" and M$ continued to use it for later versions.
[I bought my first computer (Apple ][+ with 48k RAM) in 1981. Got my
first disk drive in 1982.]
In the late 1980s, I was running a computer BBS ("Board on Boards";
FidoNet 1:109/337) in the Beltway area of NOVA. And I was running it
under PC-DOS (IBM branded MS-DOS).
And it was about 1989 when I first got on the Internet. I got my
first domain (www.compcomm.com) in 1993. (This was when domains were
free but the application was very difficult.)
As far as "introduction" to "on-line" goes, in 1995, we (me + wife)
were walking around Alexandria and bought a 300-baud modem on
impulse and used the "special offer" and signed on to CompuServe.
So, a couple of weeks later, I was writing a SOP on the Apple in
Uijeongbu, Korea.
I'm usually correct on personal computer history. <wide grin>
++ gray
fkasner
servers relaying the signal) were the pre-internet method of getting
stuff from others that was not necessarily business use.
FK
fkasner
cards. Jut had to have a well named title for the file so you could
figure out what it was.
FK
fkasner
On the CP/M Apple dBase was version 2 not 3. The big problem with
dBaseII on the Apple was the small size of the disks. Without a HD you
had to have two floppy drives and even that was rather inefficient. On
the XT the floppies were larger and finally with a HD the program was
held on the HD and it would fit in the 640KB space so that the data
alone was on the floppy and dBaseIII was practical. And WordStar ran OK
if not fast on the CP/M Apple][+. Note that I tried many times to get
the version of WordStar that was supposed to run native on the Apple][+
but it never would run. They actually gave me my money back when they
admitted that WS was not really capable of running on an 6502 Apple][+.
FK
Eeyore
Tony Wesley wrote:
No TRS-80s in Europe.
Graham
Eeyore
RadicalModerate wrote:
> In misc.survivalism Gray Shockley <graysh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:27:46 -0500, knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Microsoft licensed the Macintosh interface for Windows 3.
>
> It appears Apple had Microsoft design the user interface or a good portion
> of it for the Mac's predecessor, the failed Lisa.
> Lisa failed because it simply didn't have enough bang for the buck.
You mean it was just too expensive.
Graham
Eeyore
Gray Shockley wrote:
> As far as "introduction" to "on-line" goes, in 1995, we (me + wife)
> were walking around Alexandria and bought a 300-baud modem on
> impulse and used the "special offer" and signed on to CompuServe.
Heck, I had at least 9600 baud modem then if not 33k !
Graham
Eeyore
fkasner wrote:
I did a bit of that but it certainly wasn't remotely a primary use.
My primary use was CAD ( for work ) actually.
Graham
Eeyore
fkasner wrote:
It was actually easier to keep real index cards.
Graham
knews4...@yahoo.com
By using a spreadsheet for a recipe and entering the amounts of
ingredients into the cells, one could do the calculations to increase
the yield.
If you wanted to make 1 and a half or 2 and 3/4 the recipe size one
could do the calc easily for large numbers of ingredients.
jdear64
RadicalModerate wrote:
> In misc.survivalism Gray Shockley <graysh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:27:46 -0500, knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> > Microsoft licensed the Macintosh interface for Windows 3.
>
> It appears Apple had Microsoft design the user interface or a good portion
> of it for the Mac's predecessor, the failed Lisa.
As Don Lancaster would say, not even wrong.
JD
fkasner
print out a recipe than to hand copy it from an index card. My wife was
always generous with her recipes even if she was the originator of the
recipe. Not true of many cooks.
FK
fkasner
or the reverse. Not much of a problem to multiply "one cup" by five.
FK
Gray Shockley
(in article <R%fVg.9282$vJ2....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>):
Ah, thank you. That was the reason for the question mark with the
"3".
> The big problem with
> dBaseII on the Apple was the small size of the disks. Without a HD you
> had to have two floppy drives and even that was rather inefficient.
My poor old memory is telling me that Microfix had a 5mb hard drive
and that it was backed up withy a VHS recorder.
> On
> the XT the floppies were larger and finally with a HD the program was
> held on the HD and it would fit in the 640KB space so that the data
> alone was on the floppy and dBaseIII was practical. And WordStar ran OK
> if not fast on the CP/M Apple][+.
I /loved/ WordStar. And I was so proud of myself because I learned
to patch in the printer codes. It's still my all-time favorite word
processor - I had been running it on my personal Apple for a while
then. I never saw /any/ problem with the speed of it at all.
The main problem with CP/M cards on the Microfix units was that,
basically, every card was "cold-soldered". And how wave-soldering
can produce cold joints takes not only ingenuity but "luck", too.
> Note that I tried many times to get
> the version of WordStar that was supposed to run native on the Apple][+
> but it never would run.
I never heard of that one. My brush with weird WPs was "Word
Perfect" running native on the ][. A truly /horrible/ experience.
> They actually gave me my money back when they
> admitted that WS was not really capable of running on an 6502 Apple][+.
> FK
Gray
Gray Shockley
Oopsie, 1985.
Time flies when you're having fun! / gray /