True Causes
Alan Connor
What most of you don't get, is that this civilization is going to
collapse because it was built on the very ideas that you are espousing.
Who but a fool would take the ways of obvious losers and present them as
a key to success?
alanc
North
Oh Alan get real why don't you. America has lasted for over 200
years..In fact America is one of the few countries that has lasted
this long. And it will keep on keeping on. Yes there are some things
wrong with America, but its minor things that we the people will over
come.
The Rifleman
> Oh Alan get real why don't you. America has lasted for over 200
> years..In fact America is one of the few countries that has lasted
> this long.
I am trying to bite my tongue but 200 years is no time at all in most
nations history, England, Japan Egypt , Russia etc may have a slight edge
over the US :o) Though I agree Alan C has not got a clue, But I expect he
is a socialist and they really are clueless.
North
I should have been more clear, The US has had the SAME form of
Government for over 200 years. Other Countrys such as the ones you
mentioned have changed their forms of Government. Be it from:
revolution, elections, or civil unrest, or war. Their borders are the
same but their systems of govening have changed.
The Rifleman
The Rifleman
> I should have been more clear, The US has had the SAME form of
> Government for over 200 years. Other Countrys such as the ones you
> mentioned have changed their forms of Government. Be it from:
> revolution, elections, or civil unrest, or war. Their borders are the
> same but their systems of govening have changed.
>
But Conner is still talking out of his arse, he could be Canadian ?
Jim
<steve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Perhaps he is referring to the U.S. as being a 200 year old
"Democratic Republic". Is there another country with a current streak
that is longer?
Jim
North
I Found this by doing a google search:
Alan Connor
Senior Consultant, eBusiness Solutions
(http://www.lrs.com/eBusiness/)
Levi, Ray and Shoup, Inc.
12655 Olive Boulevard, Suite 250
St. Louis, MO 63141
Phone: 314-205-0052 Ext. 319
Fax: 314-205-8010
I have much more info, however I don't think its cool to post it
here. No matter how annoying he is.
>
p o t@beer.com TDKozan
Think California.
TK
--
Cogito ergo bibo
Frank White
xxx...@xxxx.xxx says...
>
>
>What most of you don't get, is that this civilization is going to
>collapse because it was built on the very ideas that you are espousing.
Um... by 'this civilization' do you mean America, or
western civilization in general?
>Who but a fool would take the ways of obvious losers and present them as
>a key to success?
The trouble is, the ways don't appear to be unsuccessful...
FW
Alan Connor
Dear Steelpenisman
Please make a list of people you don't think have a clue.
It is there that one might find intelligent discourse, I imagine.
Meanwhile, you really ought to give some thought to growing up,
because at present you are just a sniveling punk.
alanc
Alan Connor
Christ but you really ARE stupid.
Do you have any idea how many alan connors there are?
Do you have any idea how unlikely it is that this is my real name?
Sure am glad that America is run by bozos like you. You aren't even a
challenge.
We live how we want here, and you can shove your laws up your ass.
America ends at our property line.
clarabelle
(now this fool will go find a bio on clarabelle, I'm sure)
Alan Connor
Why bother talking to a fool that seems to not know about China, for one
example, which has lasted for 1000's of years...
Or Egypt.....
alanc
Alan Connor
> On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:51:23 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>
>> Why bother talking to a fool that seems to not know about China, for one
>> example, which has lasted for 1000's of years...
>
>
>> Or Egypt.....
>
> Bull !
>
>> alanc
>
> Bull !
>
> W§ in m.s - http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira
>
You know, I honestly think you believe your own bullshit, which is the
mark of the genuine fool.
Most of the people here couldn't survive without welfare and grocery stores.
They can't tell the difference between Hollywood and the real world.
Know what? A few years ago, I was just like you. 22 magnum derringer in a
leather sleeve in my front pocket. Knife in my boot. Scoped 270 in the trunk,
38 in the glove box. Got my limit every deer season and thought I was really
tough and wise.
One day I let myself get really pissed off at this leftist weenie on the usenet
and decided to teach that punk a lesson. Took me 3 weeks and a lot of dough
and a private investigator to track him down.
Played it smart and left my rig miles down the forest service road and went
in before dawn with map,compass, and penlight in full camo. I really meant to
kill him. It is the middle of fucking nowhere, and I can get away with it.
Will just bury the piece I actually use to do the job.
Suddenly, this little arrow, more like a dart, nails me in the leg. I hit the
ground and there is nobody there. I silently slip into a thicket and just sit
with my senses peeled. Pull the thing out, but the tip is in deep and it seems
to be barbed.
A few minutes pass, and I start to get dreamy and groggy. This woman comes up
and I just look at her. She's in full camo too, and smiling. I can't move or
do anything except in slow motion. I feel good...She's a fox.
Then there's some other people and I am on a stretcher. They never say a word
and don't make any noise at all. I realize that they think I am not alone. I
want to say something but I can't.
When I woke up, I was wearing a loose robe, nice and soft and someone had given
me a bath. There was a tray of food beside me and I was fokking hungry.
The same woman came into the room and told me that I would be staying with them
for two weeks. Because I had come intending violence, my Power Wagon and
weapons were history. I said "you can't do that!" and tried to grab her. She
put me right down on the floor in a blink! Then she said "You came here to kill.
The people down the creek would put you in the ground. Don't you think that
a two week all expenses paid vacation is a better punishment?"
To make a very long story short, I have been here every since. I have realized
that I had always lived before on the un-substantiated word of others. They
told me that the world and nature and people were dangerous and evil and I
believed them. Now I know better.
People aren't evil. They are ignorant. Ignorance IS an excuse.
They told me I had to obey laws passed without consulting me. Now I know better.
I learned that my life belongs to me. It doesn't matter what ANYBODY thinks.
I can do what I damned well please. And what pleases me is to dink around
in the gardens, make things with my hands, play in the forest, play music
with my friends, and so forth. So that's what I do. The fact that I have to
hide how I live from the Americans says a lot more about them than it does me.
(Free Country? Right...)
THAT'S why you people piss me off. It scares the hell out of me to remember
that I once bought the bullshit you live on, hook, line and sinker.
There. Now you know. Big deal.
alanc
North
Gee Alan, once again you prove just how stupid you really are.
Yes China has been around for 1000's of years. The question was about
systems of government. China has changed their system of government in
the past 65 years
>
>
>Or Egypt.....
Same with Egypt.
>
>alanc
>
>
>
North
All this coming from an admitted Pot Grower and drug addict.
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Jamie Hart
"Winston §mith" <NOspa...@1stconnect.com> wrote in message
news:3ed9378e...@news.1stConnect.com...
> > nations history, England, Japan Egypt , Russia etc may have a slight
edge
> > over the US :o) Though I agree Alan C has not got a clue, But I expect
he
> > is a socialist and they really are clueless.
> >
>
> How long since England, or Germany, or Italy had a KING with real
> power?
In the case of England, 15 June 1215.
Or if you want to know when our current form of government was set up it was
26 April 1660.
> A couple hundred years. The culture goes on with only steady
> evolution but royal houses have come and gone and now they are trying
> this new fangled idea of democracy. It's the latest craze. Time will
> tell.
When you say royal houses have come and gone, you are right but then that
doesn't effect our system of government just as changing president doesn't
effect yours.
>
> Years ago I did a quick little study while reading my ancient history.
> (Just made a little list as I came across info.) The longest
> government I found was indeed ancient Egypt. It lasted 440 years.
> Very few came close to matching that. Typical is 200 to 250 years.
I would be interested to know what you think was the last change of
government in the UK.
> America had at least one government before the current constitution.
> At 225 years give or take, we are pushing average. Maybe the idea
> that we can throw the bums out, if it's real, makes revolution
> unnecessary. Time will tell.
>
Judging by the signs, you're going or about to go through one of those
changes you're talking about. What kind of government you have afterwards
remains to be seen.
Mysterion
"Alan Connor" <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:SZPAa.19437$Io.17...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Would you be so kind to explain what the hell you are talking about?
I've been busy lately and haven't had time to decrypt your various ramblings
into a common thread besides "You're all evil idiots and I'm a genius and
noble besides".
Mysterion
"Alan Connor" <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
(snip of interesting though implausible story)
Let me see if I understand this:
You used to be a right-wing, chest-thumbing "my-country-right-or-wrong"
asshole with a grossly over-inflated sense of your own importance (sort of
like Goofer), who was so far gone in a delusional state that you actually
planned and attempted to murder someone who said things you didn't like and
disagreed with.
Your target and his friends caught you and brainwashed you into being a
left-wing chest-thumping "my-commune-right-or-wrong" asshole with a grossly
over-inflated sense of your own importance (sort of like Ick), who is now
convinced that the posters to MS are the source of evil in the world.
While your intended target(s) have shown admirable restraint and an
effective use of proven mind-control techniques, I fail to see any
fundamental change in the status quo - you still appear to be a partisan
asshole, you've just switched sides.
Your anger at discovering that you've been lied to and manipulated all your
life could certainly be directed at more worthy targets than posters to MS.
p o t@beer.com TDKozan
"Alan Connor" <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
| In article <mJRAa.83$Mu3....@news.uswest.net>, TDKozan wrote:
<snips>
| >| I have much more info, however I don't think its cool to post it
| >| here. No matter how annoying he is.
| >| >
| >|
| >
| > Think California.
| >
| > TK
| Christ but you really ARE stupid.
|
| Do you have any idea how many alan connors there are?
|
| Do you have any idea how unlikely it is that this is my real name?
|
|
| Sure am glad that America is run by bozos like you. You aren't even a
| challenge.
|
| We live how we want here, and you can shove your laws up your ass.
|
| America ends at our property line.
|
|
|
| clarabelle
|
|
| (now this fool will go find a bio on clarabelle, I'm sure)
Do be sure and come back when you learn enough about Usenet to read the
headers you're publishing for the world to see. I have no idea what your
name is and actually couldn't care less. Alan Connor is an actual Earthlink
customer and the email is valid. Your dial-up access points to a POP
somewhere between Stockton and Sacramento. Since there is an Alan Connor
living in Courtland, just south of Sacramento, and since you're one stupid
arrogant mammie-rammer I'm betting on having it nailed. Even if not, what
difference does it make? It's not terribly hard to find out who actually
leased the IPs you're posting from at any given time.
Scuttle back down to your basement now, re-read _The Postman_, watch your
bootleg McGyver and A-Team re-runs on tape for another hour or three, and
wipe your sweaty carcass down with back issues of Mother Jones; I'm sure
you'll feel all better soon.
Warm hugz, Buttercup.
North
<theodor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Winston §mith" <NOspa...@1stconnect.com> wrote in message
>news:3ed9378e...@news.1stConnect.com...
>> On Tue, 27 May 2003 22:02:50 +0100, "The Rifleman"
>> <steve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I am trying to bite my tongue but 200 years is no time at all in most
>> > nations history, England, Japan Egypt , Russia etc may have a slight
>edge
>> > over the US :o) Though I agree Alan C has not got a clue, But I expect
>he
>> > is a socialist and they really are clueless.
>> >
>> Don't confuse culture and government.
>>
>> How long since England, or Germany, or Italy had a KING with real
>> power?
>
>In the case of England, 15 June 1215.
Are you SURE about that ??
>
>Or if you want to know when our current form of government was set up it was
>26 April 1660.
Again are you SURE about that ??
Please by all means post a cite to back up your claims. No really I
would like to know. I want to know if my history books are lying to
me.
North
Paul Thomas Ivy
If "civilization is going to collapse", it will not be "because it was
built on the very ideas that you are espousing", but because those in
power have rejected "the very ideas that [we] are espousing".
Sometimes whan a computer ceases to function properly, you have to
"Ctrl-Alt-Del" and allow it to reboot.
You have not destroyed the computer or the computer system, you have
only re-set it back to a state of proper functioning, using the same
principles that were initially used.
The Rifleman
> Why bother talking to a fool that seems to not know about China, for one
> example, which has lasted for 1000's of years...
God you are thick, China has had dozens of governmental systems and
different geographical boundaries over the millenia, its current system is
only 60 years old. You are a very poor troll.
seb...@thegrid.net
But he *is* entertaining. :o)
Sue
strabo
wrote:
Hardly minor. Read the Patriot Homeland Security Acts to see just
how much there is to overcome.
America (the US) is not the nation it was originally. It is not
operating as was intended. The original concept of freedom and
sovereignty was attacked in 1861 and that Congress was never
reseated. Federalism has altered the balance of power and
autocratic changes have been made incrementally since then.
Today we live in a corporate security state which derives it's
authority to govern under a veneer of free representation. For
the most part our electees and representatives are chosen for us
by a monolithic two party system and are openly bribed by
commercial and military interests.
As government is currently instituted, with it's cohercive
tax system, central bank and the people's dependency on
technology, command and control by government can only
become stronger.
strabo
Take your pick. Most nations are older than the US.
>
>Jim
North
wrote:
I can agree with that. Our current problems are only knee jerked
reactions to 9/11 (well that only the tip of the iceberg) However if
the American people would just wake up these problems can be
corrected. Where I live, so far we do not have the bullshit laws that
most people in other states have to put up with. IMO, it high time to
elect third party people into office. Our current two party monopoly
is so damn corrupt they need to be scraped. But there is still hope
that we the people can fix it. LOL...perhaps a million white man march
on DC.......( I'm not a racist ) Even though the left has really
screwed with the constitution (by the way they interprit things), Its
not to late, for the most part we still have the same system of
government that we've had for over 200 years. Not many other countrys
come close except maybe the swiss.
>
strabo
Ivy) wrote:
Using this analogy the "proper state of functioning" is written
in the BIOS and the current state of dysfunction is WinDoze.
So, reboot and uninstall.
North
wrote:
true, but we were talking about forms of government.
There are many countrys that are far older but they have changed their
forms of government. The US government has for the most part remained
the same with a few exceptions.
>
>
>>
>>Jim
The Rifleman
"Alan Connor" < FANTASIST.
Noah Simoneaux
(snip)
>Christ but you really ARE stupid.
>
>Do you have any idea how many alan connors there are?
>
>Do you have any idea how unlikely it is that this is my real name?
Wow! You mean somebody as froggy as you would hide his REAL name online? Maybe
you're not as bad as you think you are, huh? You can't be all that bad if you're
afraid of even using your real name here. That's really funny after all the
times you've challenged people to come out and fight you. :/
>Sure am glad that America is run by bozos like you. You aren't even a
>challenge.
>
>We live how we want here, and you can shove your laws up your ass.
>
>America ends at our property line.
I've heard garbage like that before, and it usually ends with whimpering.
Growing old is mandatory. Growing wise is optional.
Noah Simoneaux
(snip)
>You know, I honestly think you believe your own bullshit, which is the
>mark of the genuine fool.
Ah, now we're getting to an area that you should have some knowledge in. Genuine
fools.
>
>Most of the people here couldn't survive without welfare and grocery stores.
>They can't tell the difference between Hollywood and the real world.
You have to be able to find the real world before you can even discuss it. You
aren't even close.
>
>Know what? A few years ago, I was just like you.
Wrong again.
> 22 magnum derringer in a leather sleeve in my front pocket. Knife in my boot. Scoped 270 in the trunk,
>38 in the glove box.
Just like "you"? Hardly. More like Walter Mitty, I'd say.
> Got my limit every deer season and thought I was really tough and wise.
I see you haven't outgrown that part yet. Maybe if you live long enough you'll
outgrow it eventually.
>
>One day I let myself get really pissed off at this leftist weenie on the usenet
>and decided to teach that punk a lesson. Took me 3 weeks and a lot of dough
>and a private investigator to track him down.
>
And now you've become the weenie. Isn't life strange?
>Played it smart and left my rig miles down the forest service road and went
>in before dawn with map,compass, and penlight in full camo. I really meant to
>kill him. It is the middle of fucking nowhere, and I can get away with it.
Wonder how many people sitting in prison had THAT thought??
>Will just bury the piece I actually use to do the job.
Ooh, that'll fool them. :/
>Suddenly, this little arrow, more like a dart, nails me in the leg. I hit the
>ground and there is nobody there.
Ooh, real ninja stuff. Arrows coming from nobody????
> I silently slip into a thicket and just sit
In the best Walter Mitty tradition.
>with my senses peeled.
Ow! That must really hurt. Don't you hate it when your senses get peeled?
> Pull the thing out, but the tip is in deep and it seems to be barbed.
Bad fiction. Bad fantasy world.
>A few minutes pass, and I start to get dreamy and groggy. This woman comes up
>and I just look at her. She's in full camo too, and smiling. I can't move or
>do anything except in slow motion. I feel good...She's a fox.
Ah, must be your favorite wet dream.
>Then there's some other people and I am on a stretcher. They never say a word
>and don't make any noise at all.
Now that's good writing. :/
> I realize that they think I am not alone.
Guess they're not too tactically proficient then. They should have figured that
out BEFORE they stuck a dart in your dumb ass.
> I want to say something but I can't. When I woke up, I was wearing a loose robe, nice and soft and someone had given
>me a bath. There was a tray of food beside me and I was fokking hungry.
Could somebody please shoot a dart into me? I don't know if I can handle much
more of this crap. ;)
>The same woman came into the room and told me that I would be staying with them
>for two weeks. Because I had come intending violence, my Power Wagon and
>weapons were history. I said "you can't do that!" and tried to grab her. She
>put me right down on the floor in a blink! Then she said "You came here to kill.
>The people down the creek would put you in the ground. Don't you think that
>a two week all expenses paid vacation is a better punishment?"
>
>To make a very long story short,
I sure wish you had, but it's WAY too late for that.
>I have been here every since. I have realized that I had always lived before on the un-substantiated word of others.
Some things never change, eh? You're still doing that. You've just traded one
group of "others" for another.
> They told me that the world and nature and people were dangerous and evil
They were wrong, but looks like they found another groupie in need of a new cult
to join.
>and I believed them. Now I know better.
You do? You sure don't act like it.
>People aren't evil. They are ignorant. Ignorance IS an excuse.
Yeah, and the effective range of an excuse is STILL 0 meters.
>They told me I had to obey laws passed without consulting me. Now I know better.
For somebody who claims to "know better" you sure keep making ignorant
statements.
>I learned that my life belongs to me.
And how long did it take you to figure that out? I learned that when I was about
17.
> It doesn't matter what ANYBODY thinks.
Yeah, that's why you're HERE, right?
>I can do what I damned well please. And what pleases me is to dink around
>in the gardens, make things with my hands, play in the forest, play music
>with my friends, and so forth. So that's what I do. The fact that I have to
>hide how I live from the Americans says a lot more about them than it does me.
Good, you think that's a FACT? How about some proof? Got any?
>(Free Country? Right...)
Sort of. No rights are absolute.
>
>THAT'S why you people piss me off. It scares the hell out of me to remember
>that I once bought the bullshit you live on, hook, line and sinker.
It should, but you need to learn much more before you know half as much as you
THINK you know. You're still buying plenty of bullshit, including the bullshit
you're selling yourself. To me that's the worst kind of deception,
self-deception. If you can't even face the truth from yourself you are really
screwed.
>There. Now you know. Big deal.
Nothing surprising or earth-shattering there. Gullible people swallow bullshit
all the time. Sometimes they switch from one pile of bullshit to another, but
it's still bullshit.
No matter how thin you slice it, it's still BALONEY.
Each of us is a mixture of good qualities and some(perhaps) not-so-good qualities. In considering our fellow people, we should remember their good qualities and realize that their faults only prove that they are, after all, only human. We should refrain from making harsh judgments of people just because they happen to be dirty rotten sons-of-bitches.
Noah Simoneaux
(snip)
>Played it smart
I find that beyond credibility. You don't appear to have the ability to play
anything smart. You hired a private detective to find somebody and then you talk
about killing them? You think the private detective wouldn't tell on you?
and left my rig miles down the forest service road and went
Noah Simoneaux
an amazingly bad piece of writing which would earn at least a Dishonorable
Mention in any Bad Writing Contest. Ewwww. I have rarely read such drivel
ANYWHERE.
Verbosity
1.The habit of common and continuous speech...a system of mental deficiency.-Walter Bagehot
2. The talk of empty-headed, vain, and tiresome babblers...thought that comes from the lips and not from the heart. Aulus Gellius
p o t@beer.com TDKozan
"Alan Connor" <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
| In article <3eda3cbf...@news.1stConnect.com>, Winston §mith wrote:
| > On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:51:23 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
| >
| There. Now you know. Big deal.
|
Too much peyote while you were wanking over _Dog Soldiers_ the other night?
seb...@thegrid.net
Noah Simoneaux wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 May 2003 06:35:23 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> an amazingly bad piece of writing which would earn at least a Dishonorable
> Mention in any Bad Writing Contest. Ewwww. I have rarely read such drivel
> ANYWHERE.
How about dishonorable mention in the International MABU Fantasy Writing
Competition? On second thought his dreck would probably get him at
least third place.
Sue
Alan Connor
Having fun? Knock yourself out.
I don't care. Just so you stay out of my real life, which is not a probem.
Americans are not allowed here.
As of the present, we have about 7500 acres where the laws of America have
no meaning. More is added every month. We are taking back the lands you stole
from Nature. And you can't do a damn thing about it.
Your government (YOURS, not ours) thinks that most of the properties are vacant
or only have a single caretaker living there, and most have timberland and
other property tax exemptions. To pay the small amount of property taxes that
are unaviodable, we steal resources from state lands. :-) See? There is a
way around anything.
If you think sniping at me like nasty children changes any of that, then
you are idiots.
I am here and I wipe my ass with your constitution. Don't like it?
Then sit on it and rotate.
alanc
North
wrote:
>On Wed, 28 May 2003 06:35:23 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>>You know, I honestly think you believe your own bullshit, which is the
>>mark of the genuine fool.
>
>Ah, now we're getting to an area that you should have some knowledge in. Genuine
>fools.
>>
>>Most of the people here couldn't survive without welfare and grocery stores.
>>They can't tell the difference between Hollywood and the real world.
>
>You have to be able to find the real world before you can even discuss it. You
>aren't even close.
>>
>>Know what? A few years ago, I was just like you.
>
>Wrong again.
>
>> 22 magnum derringer in a leather sleeve in my front pocket. Knife in my boot. Scoped 270 in the trunk,
>>38 in the glove box.
Untill you got convicted of that felony.
>
>Just like "you"? Hardly. More like Walter Mitty, I'd say.
>
>> Got my limit every deer season and thought I was really tough and wise.
Untill you got that felony.
>
>I see you haven't outgrown that part yet. Maybe if you live long enough you'll
>outgrow it eventually.
>>
>>One day I let myself get really pissed off at this leftist weenie on the usenet
>>and decided to teach that punk a lesson. Took me 3 weeks and a lot of dough
>>and a private investigator to track him down.
More lies. You first showed up on usenet on March 1, 2003 in alt.test
At least with your earthlink addy. If you did do as you say, you
comitted another felony.
>>
>And now you've become the weenie. Isn't life strange?
>
>>Played it smart and left my rig miles down the forest service road and went
>>in before dawn with map,compass, and penlight in full camo. I really meant to
>>kill him. It is the middle of fucking nowhere, and I can get away with it.
Keep in mind Alan, you have NO idea of just who reads this group. OH
AND PLEASE COME TRACK ME DOWM< PLEASE.
So now you live in a hippie cult, growing pot, (I bet you make LSD
too, huh?
North
Spoken like a true 15 year old.
>
>
>
seb...@thegrid.net
Alan Connor wrote:
>
> In article <3ED50D1F...@thegrid.net>, seb...@thegrid.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > Noah Simoneaux wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 28 May 2003 06:35:23 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> an amazingly bad piece of writing which would earn at least a Dishonorable
> >> Mention in any Bad Writing Contest. Ewwww. I have rarely read such drivel
> >> ANYWHERE.
> >
> > How about dishonorable mention in the International MABU Fantasy Writing
> > Competition? On second thought his dreck would probably get him at
> > least third place.
> > Sue
>
> Having fun?
Yep. Sure am. Thanks for asking.
> Knock yourself out.
No, that was yesterday.
>
> I don't care. Just so you stay out of my real life, which is not a probem.
> Americans are not allowed here.
I've no desire to get into your personal life. What makes you think
you're so very important that I'd want to? Your only importance to me
is entertainment value.
>
> As of the present, we have about 7500 acres where the laws of America have
> no meaning. More is added every month. We are taking back the lands you stole
> from Nature. And you can't do a damn thing about it.
I've no desire to do that either. You make these silly challenges that
no one here cares about. Shrug. YOur sense of self-importance is
laughable.
>
> Your government (YOURS, not ours) thinks that most of the properties are vacant
> or only have a single caretaker living there, and most have timberland and
> other property tax exemptions. To pay the small amount of property taxes that
> are unaviodable, we steal resources from state lands. :-) See? There is a
> way around anything.
BFD
>
> If you think sniping at me like nasty children changes any of that, then
> you are idiots.
I've no desire to change you. That would take the fun out of all this.
And, who's a nasty child? Looking in the mirror, are you?
>
> I am here and I wipe my ass with your constitution. Don't like it?
No TP where you are? I prefer mine nice and soft. Doesn't the
Constitution cause a rash?
>
> Then sit on it and rotate.
I don't have a copy around here. Besides, I'm a little old to rotate on
anything.
Sue requesting that you keep up the good work of entertaining us.
Gunner
>>
>>>Played it smart and left my rig miles down the forest service road and went
>>>in before dawn with map,compass, and penlight in full camo. I really meant to
>>>kill him. It is the middle of fucking nowhere, and I can get away with it.
>
>Keep in mind Alan, you have NO idea of just who reads this group. OH
>AND PLEASE COME TRACK ME DOWM< PLEASE.
I wonder if Alan/Mabu2 has any idea the ABC agencies spend an inordinate
amount of time reading survival/militia/ etc newsgroups?
If he disappears suddenly in mid post..we can assume that his bullshit
resulted in the deaths of him and his entire cult..er commune.
Gunner
"The importance of morality is that people behave themselves even if
nobody's watching. There are not enough cops and laws to replace
personal morality as a means to produce a civilized society. Indeed,
the police and criminal justice system are the last desperate line of
defense for a civilized society. Unfortunately, too many of us see
police, laws and the criminal justice system as society's first line
of defense." --Walter Williams
North
wrote:
>On Wed, 28 May 2003 19:52:12 -0400, North <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>>Played it smart and left my rig miles down the forest service road and went
>>>>in before dawn with map,compass, and penlight in full camo. I really meant to
>>>>kill him. It is the middle of fucking nowhere, and I can get away with it.
>>
>>Keep in mind Alan, you have NO idea of just who reads this group. OH
>>AND PLEASE COME TRACK ME DOWM< PLEASE.
>
>I wonder if Alan/Mabu2 has any idea the ABC agencies spend an inordinate
>amount of time reading survival/militia/ etc newsgroups?
>
>If he disappears suddenly in mid post..we can assume that his bullshit
>resulted in the deaths of him and his entire cult..er commune.
>
>Gunner
This is why I have spent so much time messing with this guy, Every
time he types, he admits to more and more crimes that hes commited.
What a hoot..LOL.
Personally I think hes just some hippie wanna-be posting from his
mommys computer. If he is for real, maybe he should think about
running to Mexico, because some of the shit hes posted (such as using
chemical weapons to protect his pot garden) are pretty serious in the
eyes of the law given the times we are in. Its funny you know, he
started out bashing people who own firearms. When the folks here slam
him on his BS, he gets more off the wall, We should get him and Nancy
Ann Luft together. HEHE I can see it now, Alan and Nancy Ann battleing
the Spuknik forces with CO gas. I'm going to send him a fresh roll of
tin foil. His beanie is wearing out.
North. (who is not anti-pot, just dislikes those who would stoop to
using chemical weapons)
Noah Simoneaux
(snip)
>I wonder if Alan/Mabu2 has any idea the ABC agencies spend an inordinate
>amount of time reading survival/militia/ etc newsgroups?
>
>If he disappears suddenly in mid post..we can assume that his bullshit
>resulted in the deaths of him and his entire cult..er commune.
>
>Gunner
With the current atmosphere it takes a real genius to get on a newsgroup and
brag about making chemical weapons. :/
Just bending over and asking Uncle Sam to come and get it. :/
Noah Simoneaux
(snip)
>Having fun? Knock yourself out.
Can't even break a sweat with this light work.
>
>I don't care. Just so you stay out of my real life, which is not a probem.
>Americans are not allowed here.
Real life? You don't have one, remember. You just have your "beautiful dream".
Gonna be real rough on you if you ever have to wake up.
>
>As of the present, we have about 7500 acres where the laws of America have
>no meaning. More is added every month. We are taking back the lands you stole
>from Nature. And you can't do a damn thing about it.
I don't need to. Stupidity usually ends up being its own worst enemy.
>
>Your government (YOURS, not ours) thinks that most of the properties are vacant
>or only have a single caretaker living there, and most have timberland and
>other property tax exemptions. To pay the small amount of property taxes that
>are unaviodable, we steal resources from state lands. :-) See? There is a
>way around anything.
Yeah, and bragging about committing crimes is a way around remaining out of
jail. :/
>
>If you think sniping at me like nasty children changes any of that, then
>you are idiots.
Like nasty children? Like the kind who are ready to fight to prove to everyone
how bad they are? Sound familiar?
>
>I am here and I wipe my ass with your constitution. Don't like it?
>
>Then sit on it and rotate.
Ooh, I remember that from when I was a CHILD.
North
>On Wed, 28 May 2003 21:02:18 GMT, Alan Connor <alanc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>I am here and I wipe my ass with your constitution. Don't like it?
>>
He says he wipes his ass with the constitution, but I'm willing to bet
that he will be the first to embrace it once the feds lock him up for
growing pot, and making and using chemical weapons. (just a few of the
many crimes he has admitted to)
strabo
wrote:
And changes in government do matter. However, you're suggesting
that such changes are reversible or remediable. In the course of
history this has not happened. You are, I suspect, an optimist.
I'd call the 1789 departure from the Articles of Confederation a
major change. Then there is the 1861 military coup by Lincoln.
Followed by the 1913 inclusion of the Federal Reserve and Income
Tax Acts. Each one of these in its own way, represents a
dramatic change in the status of the government and the attitude
of the people. Each of these events forever altered the
direction, purpose and potential of the nation. The results of
these cannot be reversed.
The usual way to measure the lifespan of a 'people' is to
identify the beginning and end of their culture. The society
within the culture may change constrained by certain conditions,
and so may the government of the society. But this can happen
only a finite number of times. Once the tolerances of the
culture are exceeded, the society disintegrates.
The Romans are a popular example. The difference between the
early Roman Republic and the late Roman Empire period is to
compare night and day, a complete reversal of goals and values.
The Roman Republic officially lasted about 300 years.
Some, like Egypt and China, are said to be continuous
cultures but they were not. The people simply fell apart and
reformed in the same geographical area. China has been through
several of these cultural dissolutions over the past 4000 years
and numerous governmental changes.
The American Republic is at a change point as we can see when we
compare the values of the Founders to those of the pols of today.
It won't be called an "Empire" of course and only once it is
history will it be defined, but it will be as different to
us as Thomas Jefferson is to Bill clinton. Yep, the MTV attitude
is creating a new governmental structure as we speak.
>>>Jim
Mysterion
"strabo" <str...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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Well said (typed).
Jamie Hart
"North" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 May 2003 09:13:24 +0100, "Jamie Hart"
> <theodor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Winston §mith" <NOspa...@1stconnect.com> wrote in message
> >news:3ed9378e...@news.1stConnect.com...
> >> On Tue, 27 May 2003 22:02:50 +0100, "The Rifleman"
> >> <steve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I am trying to bite my tongue but 200 years is no time at all in most
> >> > nations history, England, Japan Egypt , Russia etc may have a slight
> >edge
> >> > over the US :o) Though I agree Alan C has not got a clue, But I
expect
> >he
> >> > is a socialist and they really are clueless.
> >> >
> >>
> >> How long since England, or Germany, or Italy had a KING with real
> >> power?
> >
> >In the case of England, 15 June 1215.
> Are you SURE about that ??
Certainly, Signing of the Magna Carta, which effectively limited the
monarch's powers.
Before that the King did indeed have real power.
Cite: http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/magna.html (check the date it was signed at
the bottom of the page)
Ironically enough, the first cite I found was on an American University
website, whodathunkit.
> >
> >Or if you want to know when our current form of government was set up it
was
> >26 April 1660.
> Again are you SURE about that ??
This one's more debatable, both by the fact that I got the day wrong (it was
the 25th rather than the 26th) and in that our form of government (two
houses etc) was in effect before that date, but the Civil war interupted
things.
Anyway, On 25th April 1660 the Converntion Parliament Convenes, this was
parliament in the current form with the House of Lords, House of Commons,
Speakler etc.
Cites:
http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1660/04/26/index.php This shows that that
was indeed when it convened (an Eye witness account)
http://www.pepysdiary.com/p/334.php Shows that the Parliament mentioned in
the above was of the modern form. (it is linked from the first cite)
Any changes to this form of government have been parliamentary reforms, very
similar to your constitutional amendments I suspect.
> Please by all means post a cite to back up your claims. No really I
> would like to know. I want to know if my history books are lying to
> me.
Are they American history books? I've found that those can be quite
inaccurate when it comes to British history.
BTW I am not an historian, I could indeed be wrong about either of these
events. However, so far, research has failed to prove me wrong. if you can
shed light on any inaccuracies I'd appreciate it.
Also, you obviously disagreed with those dates, can you tell me why (with
cites)?
Jeff McCann
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My Gawd! A post that is both polite in tone and factual in content.
You're gonna have to knock that stuff off if you're gonna hang around
here, my friend. ;-)
Jeff
Jamie Hart
"Jeff McCann" <NoS...@noThanks.Com> wrote in message
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>
> My Gawd! A post that is both polite in tone and factual in content.
> You're gonna have to knock that stuff off if you're gonna hang around
> here, my friend. ;-)
>
the politeness :-)
Mainly the fact that the "Are you SURE..." comment pushed one of my buttons,
I hate that kind of saying. If I wasn't sure, I wouldn't have posted it.
Especially when I posted exact dates in the original post, that should have
been a clear give away that I'd got the dates from an actual source and not
off the top of my head. Although I did purposefully leave out the events
those days referred to, just to see if anyone would check to see what I was
basing my facts on.
Evidently, no one could be bothered.
Anyway, I find that politeness usually gets a better response than the other
kind, people feel slightly foolish replying to a polite, factual post with a
one line "fuck off and die" reply.
Cheers
Jamie
Alan Connor
Nicely said.
I just love the values of the Founding Fascists, who thought nothing of
slavery, and stealing a continent from anyone who didn't accept their
ideas of how to live, and utterly destroyed an entire culture that was
just living and minding its own business.
Europe sent its dregs to the New World and that is very clear from the
behaviour of America past and present.
alanc
The Rifleman
"Alan Connor" Yup definately a fantasist,.
The Rifleman
> >alanc
>
> Spoken like a true 15 year old.
> >
> >
>
Alan Connor
Steelpenisman, you are a dolt and a bore. And a stupid child.
You'd have trouble surviving in a Safeway.
You are banished from my life.
alanc
Noah Simoneaux
You don't have a life. All you have is your "beautiful dream". I wish I could be
there when real life actually decides to intrude on your beautiful dream.
Fantasy has a hard time surviving when reality comes to call.
The fates lead the willing, and drag the unwilling. - Seneca
North
<theodor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I stand corrected---Thank You,
North.
North
Jamie,
You will have to pardon my use of words (are you sure about that)
After all I'm from the hills of West Virginia ( I hear that all the
time) LOL.
North
BTW, When I stated that The American gov. is one of the few forms of
governmets that has lasted for over 200 years, I was not implying that
is was the OLNY Form of government that has lasted for more then 200
years. Just one of the few.
seb...@thegrid.net
Was whoever you are adressing this to ever *in* your life? Woe to him
if he was.
Sue
Jamie Hart
time to make sure my post couldn't be taken the wrong way.
Jamie Hart
Smith who asked when england last had a king with real power.
It tickled me when I checked and it was nearly eight hundred years ago.
Getting back to governments, I doubt that an Englishman of 1660 would
recognise much of what went on in government today, nor would an American of
1787.
North
<theodor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
One of my favorite sayings everytime the Government or someone in
Government does something stupid is: "I sure hope they buried our
founding fathers in round caskets because they must be spinning in
their graves"
Cheers,
North.
Edward Harrison
> Are they American history books? I've found that those can be quite
> inaccurate when it comes to British history.
Heck, most of them are quite innacurate about our _own_ history. :(
--
Edward Harrison USN(ret)
strabo
wrote:
>In article <agbbdvkapvrhrdsm8...@4ax.com>, strabo wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 May 2003 13:34:34 -0400, North <nor...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 28 May 2003 13:27:43 -0400, strabo <str...@flashmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>> And changes in government do matter. However, you're suggesting
>Nicely said.
Everyone has blind spots from time to time and these men were no
different. Their actions reflected the values and attitudes of
their time.
As for slavery, the people of the period in question were more
aware of the variations of slavery than current American society.
Slavery is the absence of freedom and liberty. There were bond
slaves, indentured servants and apprenticed labor. There were
Crown prisoners forced to work and could be purchased from the
Crown to continue working under a new master. Then there came the
Negro slaves from Africa, complete with bill of sale. They were
legal property. Some were freed outright, others bought their
freedom while others died as property.
Treaties were made with all Indian tribes except those in
Florida. These treaties defined each tribal group as a nation
and these treaties spoke of each as a separate country. That is
why Indians were not included in the Constitution. The US was not
their nation.
Similarly, slaves were not represented in the Constitution, white
or black. They were property and until they were free men they
could not be citizens of any state.
The legal aspects of this changed in 1867 as former slaves
were placed in federal custody and the states compelled to
grant them citizenship.
There was then, as today, no single definition or structure of
slavery. It is a complex interaction of law, government and
society.
But what about today? What would you say of a man who is
compelled to work 8 to 5 for 40 years and hand over 50% of
everything he makes to government? Who cannot die and
deliver his property intact to his heirs but instead must
pay the government.
It is said today that there is freedom but who is really free who
must work at jobs that must be reported to government? Oh yes.
Every time someone is hired he must sign papers compromising his
freedom and he be reported to the state and federal government. A
portfolio exists on each citizen conjoined by the Commerce
Department (birth & death records), the IRS (tax records) the
Social Security Administration, and state vehicle departments
(driver's licenses). This database is now shared internationally.
Who is really free when government controls all matters of the
economy, where there are only government banks and every
transaction is recorded, tracked and scrutinized? Americans today
are totally dependent on the economy which is to say that they
are totally dependent on government. Permanent dependents. Is
that not a form of slavery?
And what of the recent federal ultimatum that every other
government on the planet must become "democratic" or be declared
terroristic? That every nation must "partner" with the World Bank
and the International Monetary Fund? "Democratic" and "partner"
are code words for "join our voluntary association or be
destroyed". Note the current agonies of Argentina, Peru, Columbia
and Brazil as they struggle to live under the boot of the IMF.
European governments have sold out by forming their own union
of surveillance and economic dependency. It seems the entire
planet is destined to become a replica of the US.
This is the age of the security state writ large as each man's
liberty must be taken in order to control him. For his
cooperation he will get an 8 to 5 job. Then he will have the
honor of paying tribute to his master.
So much for the values of the "Founding Fascists". At least they
valued non-interference, gold and private banks. They were
honest, the yoke of slavery was visible.