Wow, here we go!!! M.S. back in full effect....
SpOoKNP
always amazes me when something that _could_ lead to TEOTWAWKI happens, this
group starts having more and more post. Not only questions (usually now about
gas mask), but the SPAM even occurs more often. Oh well, I wonder how long
this will last?
Lonnie Courtney Clay
If you do not like spam, try premium saltine crackers with miracle
whip and tuna fish. yum yum yum! Sweet pickle relish and coca cola to
wash it all down make the treat even better!
LCC - Barbie - I love you, I need you, I want you, with all my heart!
Shinola
>
> If you do not like spam, try premium saltine crackers with miracle
> whip and tuna fish. yum yum yum! Sweet pickle relish and coca cola to
> wash it all down make the treat even better!
>
> LCC - Barbie - I love you, I need you, I want you, with all my heart!
I kinda like Spam cut into chunks, and roasted over a campfire on a
stick. I've always had trouble keeping the tuna on the stick though,
maybe I'll try roasting a marshmallow, then sticking the tuna onto the
now sticky stick
S
Laurie-Ann Curry
Shinola wrote:
My SIL is a phillipino who spent his teen years in hawaii, due to that I
have in my possesion the official hawaiin spam cookbook. There are several
hundfed recipes using spam and Gabe has fixed them all for us. I buy a
case of spam a month for him. If you want recipes for using the stuff just
let me know
LA who thinks spam and catfood are merely label differences
KB9WFK
--
"Shinola" <shinola@ThisAin'tReal.com> wrote in message
news:9ov8lk$o36$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
2 words to solve the problem:
Duct tape
:-)
Joe
Gunner
wrote:
>>
>> I kinda like Spam cut into chunks, and roasted over a campfire on a
>> stick. I've always had trouble keeping the tuna on the stick though,
>> maybe I'll try roasting a marshmallow, then sticking the tuna onto the
>> now sticky stick
>>
>> S
>
>2 words to solve the problem:
>Duct tape
>:-)
>Joe
AAAAHHHHH... good idea! Now I dont have to wait for the JB Weld to cure.
COOOLLL!
Gunner
----------------------------------------------------------.
"When one hears that the majority, not the constitution,
should define civil rights, one should feel a shiver of fear.
Constitutionally guaranteed rights protect gun owners,
property owners, people of different races and
many separate religions, to name a small number.
I will work to protect the rights of all,
not just some.
-- Rama O.A. Schneider, Williamstown, Vermont
----------------------------------------------------------
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Beware ! I wear a ring with a black panther on it, and references to
cats only wake it up! Another good canned food for the survivalist is
Armor Star Roast Beef imported from Argentina the last time I saw it.
I had it for lunch sandwiches as a child and the gravy was exquisite.
Your mouth would water from the aroma alone. As a variation you can
heat it up in a skillet with onions, mushrooms and lots of
Catsup/Ketchup, Heinze 57 being the best of course. Speaking of
mushrooms, a book of natural foods is a must for the serious
survivalist, or keep a boy/girl scout handy just in case. I picked a
couple of mushrooms the other day which grew up in a single night to
be bigger than my two fists put together. I sliced them like a bread
loaf and ate a couple slices, but when my family found out they took
them and threw them away.........
LCC, still banned from his natural haunts, but finding this forum
attractive!
Scott Hunt
news:7edd270a.01092...@posting.google.com...
> Beware ! I wear a ring with a black panther on it, and references to
> cats only wake it up!
I hope it's just for protection!! <G>
> Another good canned food for the survivalist is
> Armor Star Roast Beef imported from Argentina the last time I saw it.
> I had it for lunch sandwiches as a child and the gravy was exquisite.
> Your mouth would water from the aroma alone. As a variation you can
> heat it up in a skillet with onions, mushrooms and lots of
> Catsup/Ketchup, Heinze 57 being the best of course.
Sounds good but I'll have to stick with the Hunt's brand of ketchup (see
name/sig)
> Speaking of
> mushrooms, a book of natural foods is a must for the serious
> survivalist, or keep a boy/girl scout handy just in case. I picked a
> couple of mushrooms the other day which grew up in a single night to
> be bigger than my two fists put together. I sliced them like a bread
> loaf and ate a couple slices, but when my family found out they took
> them and threw them away.........
Be VERY careful with mushrooms!! Most, as you may know, can or will
kill you! :-P
> LCC, still banned from his natural haunts, but finding this forum
> attractive!
Welcome to MSNG!!
Best regards,
Scott Hunt
--
"The formula for my happiness: a Yes, a No, a straight line, a goal."
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Vienna sausage with canned saurkraut and Kosher dill pickles from a
jar is a pretty tasty combination too. If you like sweets try the
original one and only Hershey Foods Corporation "Whoppers Malted Milk
Balls".
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Bob G
<sut...@bluemarble.net> wrote:
>My SIL is a phillipino who spent his teen years in hawaii, due to that I
>have in my possesion the official hawaiin spam cookbook. There are several
>hundfed recipes using spam and Gabe has fixed them all for us. I buy a
>case of spam a month for him. If you want recipes for using the stuff just
>let me know
>
>LA who thinks spam and catfood are merely label differences
LOLOL.
Nope, different stuff. Trust me, I've eaten both.
A habit of mine to taste what I feed our pets. I've found in general,
that I like the dog foods better than the cat foods. Our cat seems to
be of the same opinion. She joins the dogs at their dishes. OTOH,
our ferrets prefer the cat's food over the 'made for ferrets' stuff.
The dogs? Don't seem to care. If they can reach it, they'll eat it.
Tho, they have a special love for popcorn.
Bob
***Who'll remind you that the Spam Capitol of the world is in Austin,
Mn. <G>
I love my country ! It's the politicians I don't
like or trust.
mrostov
snipped
>Nope, different stuff. Trust me, I've eaten both.
>
>A habit of mine to taste what I feed our pets. I've found in general,
>that I like the dog foods better than the cat foods.
>Bob
>
snipped
AH HAH!! So, YOUR the one who supplies the pet food taste test to the
guys who make the commercials!
Rostov's Bunker
http://www.geocities.com/mrostov
Anyone that tries to get you killed is NOT your friend, regardless of whose 'side' they are on. - Joseph Heller 'Catch 22'
seb...@thegrid.net
Bob G wrote:
>
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:04:55 -0500, Laurie-Ann Curry
> <sut...@bluemarble.net> wrote:
>
> >My SIL is a phillipino who spent his teen years in hawaii, due to that I
> >have in my possesion the official hawaiin spam cookbook. There are several
> >hundfed recipes using spam and Gabe has fixed them all for us. I buy a
> >case of spam a month for him. If you want recipes for using the stuff just
> >let me know
> >
> >LA who thinks spam and catfood are merely label differences
>
> LOLOL.
>
> Nope, different stuff. Trust me, I've eaten both.
>
> A habit of mine to taste what I feed our pets. I've found in general,
> that I like the dog foods better than the cat foods. Our cat seems to
> be of the same opinion. She joins the dogs at their dishes. OTOH,
> our ferrets prefer the cat's food over the 'made for ferrets' stuff.
> The dogs? Don't seem to care. If they can reach it, they'll eat it.
> Tho, they have a special love for popcorn.
>
> Bob
When I was 5 or 6 I did a taste test of Walter Kendall Fives (dog
biscuits). Reddish brown represented meat; green represented vegs;
black represented charcoal; wheat colored represented - well - wheat, I
suppose. Can't remember what the 5th one was. Oddly enough, I prefered
the green - I wasn't much of a vegetable eater at the time. Now, the
charcoal - bleck!!!
Sue (who now LOVES veggies and has found better things to eat than dog
biscuits)
Scott Hunt
news:3bb5bdec$0$12830$9ba6...@news.pclink.com...
I was under the impression that the Southeastern part of the US and
Hawaii were the Spam twin capitols!! :-)
Best regards,
Scott Hunt
PS
I wonder if a Muslim terrorist can get into Heaven if they eat pork?
--
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze too long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into
you. ----Jenseits von Gut und Bðse, IV, 146
"
Bob G
(mrostov) wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:18:00 GMT, sa...@pclink.com (Bob G) wrote:
>snipped
>>Nope, different stuff. Trust me, I've eaten both.
>>
>>A habit of mine to taste what I feed our pets. I've found in general,
>>that I like the dog foods better than the cat foods.
>snipped
>>Bob
>>
>snipped
>
>AH HAH!! So, YOUR the one who supplies the pet food taste test to the
>guys who make the commercials!
>
>Rostov's Bunker
Nope, nobody pays me. I just get curious, and I'm not the squeamish
sort. I'll munch just about anything just to see what it tastes like.
LOL, I went thru this little initiation once, a Navy thing, a
particular sort of initiation that only a few go thru. One part of it
is a test to see just how strong your stomach is and how good your
will power is. You are supposed to eat this and that, or hold
something in your mouth. I not only did it all, I was grinning,
smacking lips, and asking for more. To the point where the guys
putting me thru the intiation were getting grossed out.
Chuckle, during another phase of the initiation I was stuck in a wood
box, filled with ice and with live crabs crawling around. Another of
the will-power tests. I got chewed out when some fellow opened a
little door on the box and asked me if I was okay and I responded I
was fine. But then asked if they had any cocktail sauce, as I was
eating one of those crabs raw. Sumbitch pinched me, I was getting
even.
Bob
Bob G
<thomas...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> ***Who'll remind you that the Spam Capitol of the world is in Austin,
>> Mn. <G>
>
> I was under the impression that the Southeastern part of the US and
>Hawaii were the Spam twin capitols!! :-)
>
>Best regards,
>
>Scott Hunt
Ahhh, but Austin Mn is the home spot of the people who make it.
>PS
> I wonder if a Muslim terrorist can get into Heaven if they eat pork?
Chuckle, I wouldn't know.
Now you have me curious. I'm wondering how a Muslim would feel about
even living in some small towns I know about whose whole economies
revolve around pork?
Bob
Scott Hunt
> box, filled with ice and with live crabs crawling around. Another of
> the will-power tests. I got chewed out when some fellow opened a
> little door on the box and asked me if I was okay and I responded I
> was fine. But then asked if they had any cocktail sauce, as I was
> eating one of those crabs raw. Sumbitch pinched me, I was getting
> even.
>
> Bob
Sounds like a fine meal for a Shellback!! :-)
Best regards,
Scott Hunt
Scott Hunt
> Ahhh, but Austin Mn is the home spot of the people who make it.
>
Thanks for the info. The family and I had Spam last night for supper.
It's funny how every time I cook something around here there is rarely, IF
EVER, any leftovers left for me to pack for my lunch the next day!!
> >PS
> > I wonder if a Muslim terrorist can get into Heaven if they eat pork?
>
> Chuckle, I wouldn't know.
I'm very happy that I got someone to laugh on this NG!! Unfortunately,
I was asking a semi-serious question! Remember, that the terrorist were
reportedly told to not act like a fundamentalist Muslin. I'm now curious
just have far would a terrorist, with fundamentalist Islamic beliefs, go to
conceal themselves. Would they eat pork knowing that it is taboo to them or
would they delight in the taste for a pig as many Americans do, just to hide
themselves! IOW, which is more damning to a Muslim terrorist: 1) Betraying
God's law by eating pork, in order to conceal themselves, so they can
successfully commit a terrorist act or 2) Refuse to eat pork, staying true
to their beliefs and failing to commit the terrorist action they were
trained to do?
>
> Now you have me curious. I'm wondering how a Muslim would feel about
> even living in some small towns I know about whose whole economies
> revolve around pork?
>
> Bob
Damn!!
I'm having to think very long and hard on this idea.... Hmmmm...
I cant decide whether or not to mention it... Damn!!
I definitely dont want to give the enemy any ideas just be suggesting a
potential target that everyone should have considered!
But, if I dont say anything then....
Damn, I hate making big decisions!!!
Well, perhaps is worth mentioning....
Please dont, anyone go off in a panic, but.... How about I ask a
leading question first.
Is there a bio/chemical agent that could survival freezing, thawing,
processing (think canning), and finally cooking?
If so, then how well are our country's food production companies prepared
for a bio/chemical agent being release somewhere in our nation's food
supply?
If you imaginations aren't running wild by now then think food poisoning,
only several times worst!! Remember the poisoned Tylenol capsules from
about 20+ years ago. A serial killer's attack that lead to the ban on over
the counter capsule medication and prompted manufacturers to add child
safety caps and those highly annoying, but necessary, safety seals!
I'm sure that there are some quality controls in place to detect many food
born pathogens, but what about a more sophisticated bio/chemical agent!?
Just some things to think about,
Scott Hunt
Bob G
<thomas...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Chuckle, during another phase of the initiation I was stuck in a wood
>> box, filled with ice and with live crabs crawling around. Another of
>> the will-power tests. I got chewed out when some fellow opened a
>> little door on the box and asked me if I was okay and I responded I
>> was fine. But then asked if they had any cocktail sauce, as I was
>> eating one of those crabs raw. Sumbitch pinched me, I was getting
>> even.
>>
>> Bob
>
> Sounds like a fine meal for a Shellback!! :-)
>
>Best regards,
>Scott Hunt
Yep. I hadn't been a Wog for a long time by then.
Offbreed
> Is there a bio/chemical agent that could survival freezing, thawing,
> processing (think canning), and finally cooking?
Prions.
A bio attack through pork is not likely because the workers would have
to handle pigs to develop the agents. Could be done with enough money,
of course, but the effort would be something straight out of 007.
Scott Hunt
"Offbreed" <Offb...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:d3d158d1.0110...@posting.google.com...
How do you figure that it would be something out of 007? It wouldnt
take a global conspiracy to do what I suggest could happen. BTW, what makes
you think it would be limited to pigs? Hell look at the panic the UK is in
over foot and month disease and madcow!
It wouldnt be very difficult for a prepositioned terrorist (sleeper)
working in a meat packing plant to pour a flask of biohazardous contaminate
into a meat processing machine! Imagine how many preformed hamburgers are
packaged and shipped everyday all over the US.
You go to your favorite fast food restaurant, order a burger and fries,
next thing you know your deathly ill!
I'm just curious and would like to know if such a contaminate already
exists. How resilient is Madcow to freezing, thawing, and cooking? How
much cooking at how high a temperature is enough to render the contaminates
harmless? Also, I would like to know if there is anyone in the FDA, USDA
and/or the CDC that is considering a possible terrorist attack on the US
food supply!
Just a few things to think about,
Scott Hunt
--
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze too long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into
you. ----Jenseits von Gut und Bðse, IV, 146
.
Laurie-Ann Curry
Bob G wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:04:55 -0500, Laurie-Ann Curry
> <sut...@bluemarble.net> wrote:
>
> >LA who thinks spam and catfood are merely label differences
>
> LOLOL.
>
> Nope, different stuff. Trust me, I've eaten both.
>
> A habit of mine to taste what I feed our pets. I've found in general,
> that I like the dog foods better than the cat foods. Our cat seems to
> be of the same opinion. She joins the dogs at their dishes. OTOH,
> our ferrets prefer the cat's food over the 'made for ferrets' stuff.
Dry catfood I can understand but not the wet stuff ughh. Dog biscuits aren't
to bad (don't even go "there" y'all *G*). A friend of ours has a very, very
queasy stomach so of course the girls and I had to make up a batch of pecan
sandies and use the dogbone cookie cutter to shape them. She came in one day
when she was staying with us and all three of us were sitting on the couch
reaching into a milkbones box and eating dog treats. She ran out the door and
barfed all over the porch, took all the fun out of it.
Our ferrets love cat food as well and refuse to eat the ferret food. They
will kill for a devils food hostess cup cake and Dr. Pepper. Cat food must
be a universal ferret thing.
LA who thinks the yelow dog biscuits taste the best.
Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
They
> will kill for a devils food hostess cup cake and Dr. Pepper. Cat food
must
Is there ANYTHING ferrets won't eat - or try to??? *grin* Our woozle starts
bouncing off things as soon as plastic is crackled or anything even vaguely
food-related starts to happen in the house. She will kill - anything up to
and including elephant size - for peanut butter. That stuff must be the
universal bait; almost every animal seems to eat it ravenously.
And our guinea-pig has been known to nibble on a hamburger, which is way
outside my experience with piglets!
Laurie-Ann Curry
"Lewin A.R.W. Edwards" wrote:
> Is there ANYTHING ferrets won't eat - or try to??? *grin* Our woozle starts
> bouncing off things as soon as plastic is crackled or anything even vaguely
> food-related starts to happen in the house. She will kill - anything up to
> and including elephant size - for peanut butter. That stuff must be the
> universal bait; almost every animal seems to eat it ravenously.
>
> And our guinea-pig has been known to nibble on a hamburger, which is way
> outside my experience with piglets!
If there is anything ferrets won't try to eat we have yet to find it. Is it
not teetotally amazing what you find in their stashes? One thing I had never
counted on was how strong the prey drive was in a ferret. I always thought and
had read that they were so domesticated that they could not survive or hunt on
their own. I had a box of chicks in the kitchen and they thought those chicks
were the best thing since cat food. I was amazed at how fast they could drag
one out of there and then nearly take your arm off when you took it away. Bear
was actually chowing on one when I caught him and then went back for more, end
of free house run till the chicks were moved to the yard.
Flash got out one day and I thought we would never see him again. A few
hours later I heard a scratch at the door and went to let the dog in, it was
Flash Gordon in the ferret flesh. I nearly fell over. He started going out
with the dog and he had watched Mel enough that he knew if she scratched at the
door or window she got let in. Whenever he wanted in he scratched. He was
fine until Ming started going out with him. Those two ferrets started chasing
the horses. I kid you not. The brats would reach up and bite them on the
fetlock or the nose and then do the weasel war dance and chase them. Once that
started we stopped letting them out but Flash made it one day and my arab mare
stomped him. I wasn't home but Miss said that Shahbellah kept coming after
him. Her nose was bloody and she had enough and that was the end of Flash.
The four ferrets we have now are never let out.
LA
Bob G
<sut...@bluemarble.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Lewin A.R.W. Edwards" wrote:
>
>> Is there ANYTHING ferrets won't eat - or try to??? *grin* Our woozle starts
>> bouncing off things as soon as plastic is crackled or anything even vaguely
>> food-related starts to happen in the house. She will kill - anything up to
>> and including elephant size - for peanut butter. That stuff must be the
>> universal bait; almost every animal seems to eat it ravenously.
>>
>> And our guinea-pig has been known to nibble on a hamburger, which is way
>> outside my experience with piglets!
>
>If there is anything ferrets won't try to eat we have yet to find it. Is it
>not teetotally amazing what you find in their stashes?
Hmmm, mine are sort of picky. (I have 2)
>One thing I had never
>counted on was how strong the prey drive was in a ferret. I always thought and
>had read that they were so domesticated that they could not survive or hunt on
>their own. I had a box of chicks in the kitchen and they thought those chicks
>were the best thing since cat food. I was amazed at how fast they could drag
>one out of there and then nearly take your arm off when you took it away. Bear
>was actually chowing on one when I caught him and then went back for more, end
>of free house run till the chicks were moved to the yard.
Well, in the case of domesticated ferrets, some are born with the old
feral instinct. The guy we got ours from mentioned this. In fact we
got one from him which was aggressive and a biter. Talking serious
bite, not play bite, it drew blood. I called him. He asked me to
return it. He destroyed it and gave us a replacement.
Ours have the hunter instinct. They play hunt all the time. But we
were warned to not let them taste blood. That this often triggered a
relapse into feral behavior. So we are careful to take the
precautions. While we enjoy them a lot, and they are cute, I am
dubious about their brain power. i.e. Our dogs can separate out
'appropriate vs inappropriate' biting and attack mode. I am not sure
a ferret is that smart. And as we regularly have small ones about the
house, I try not to tempt fate. My crawler grandson chases and plays
with our ferrets, and no problems. The one we got rid of was
aggressive enough to have probably hurt him.
> Flash got out one day and I thought we would never see him again. A few
>hours later I heard a scratch at the door and went to let the dog in, it was
>Flash Gordon in the ferret flesh. I nearly fell over. He started going out
>with the dog and he had watched Mel enough that he knew if she scratched at the
>door or window she got let in. Whenever he wanted in he scratched. He was
>fine until Ming started going out with him. Those two ferrets started chasing
>the horses. I kid you not. The brats would reach up and bite them on the
>fetlock or the nose and then do the weasel war dance and chase them. Once that
>started we stopped letting them out but Flash made it one day and my arab mare
>stomped him. I wasn't home but Miss said that Shahbellah kept coming after
>him. Her nose was bloody and she had enough and that was the end of Flash.
>The four ferrets we have now are never let out.
>
>LA
>
Note my warning about letting them taste blood or raw meat. That was
the advice given me by a professional breeder. Ours only go out when
accompanied by a household member. On leashes. Unless it is myself
or my son accompanying them. They will obey audible signals from him
or I. We use some words and some whistles as signals and commands.
All in all, we enjoy them very much. But are cautious about not
letting them get the blood taste.
Chuckle, ours, for whatever reason, are a bit picky about what they
eat. Many of the made for ferret things they do not care for. Nor do
they particularly like fruits or veggies. They do like the dry cat
foods. Do like some seeds and nuts. Love raisins. There is one
ferret treat they like a lot. Seems to be made of liver, and what is
likely 'animal by-products', etc. Tastes sour to me. But they like
it.
Bob
Bob G
<thomas...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >PS
>> > I wonder if a Muslim terrorist can get into Heaven if they eat pork?
>>
>> Chuckle, I wouldn't know.
>
> I'm very happy that I got someone to laugh on this NG!! Unfortunately,
>I was asking a semi-serious question! Remember, that the terrorist were
>reportedly told to not act like a fundamentalist Muslin. I'm now curious
>just have far would a terrorist, with fundamentalist Islamic beliefs, go to
>conceal themselves. Would they eat pork knowing that it is taboo to them or
>would they delight in the taste for a pig as many Americans do, just to hide
>themselves! IOW, which is more damning to a Muslim terrorist: 1) Betraying
>God's law by eating pork, in order to conceal themselves, so they can
>successfully commit a terrorist act or 2) Refuse to eat pork, staying true
>to their beliefs and failing to commit the terrorist action they were
>trained to do?
Hmmmm. Well, look at it this way. I watched one news report where a
fellow who'd know some of the terrorists was interviewed. He
mentioned he'd seen them going to bars and getting drunk and going to
strip joints. Not what you'd call -proper- behavior for a serious,
devout Muslim.
Now, they might have been doing this as part of a deceit, to make
themselves appear to not be fundamentalist Muslims.
Or they simply could have been bowing down to temptation. Just as a
Christian fellow might do from time to time. After all, it's human
nature to want to do some things. It's been years since I've gone bar
hopping or drank very much, but I can remember there was acertain
amount of fun associated with that. And if you're a norml male, let's
face it, looking at nude or scantily clad females appeals to certain
instincts most males are born with.
But just because a fundamentalist, devout Christian fellow might 'fall
off the wagon', so to speak, sometimes; that doesn't mean he
necessarily abandons his beliefs. Just means he's human. This is no
different than the ex-smoker who knows he shold not smoke, but who has
occassional relapses and grabs a cigarette. Just because he had a
smoke, that does not change the fact that he still -believes- smoking
is bad for him.
Likewise, a devout, fundamentalist Muslim might well give in to
temptation and do something that's against his beliefs.
Bob has been around a lot and has known a great many people. I have
yet to meet a perfect human.
Add the fact that humans appear to have almost infinite ability to
convince themselves of almost anything. And come to believe it.
Thus, to use Christians as an example, you can have several people
read the very same Bible. And yet one will decide that to be a good
Christian, to live according to God's word, as he understands it, he
must be a pacifist, avoid drink, live simply, etc. Another will
decide that God's word means he should only kill in self defense, can
drink as long as he doesn't overdo it, etc. Another will decide that
God's word says it's okay to get drunk as long as he asks forgiveness
later and ... God's orders to him are that it's okay to kill the
unbelievers.
Get my point?
Those Muslim terrorists obviously don't think the same way as most
other folk. Heck, they don't even think the same way as the majority
of Muslims.
So who knows what they might do? Personally I'd be surprised by
anything they might do.
>Is there a bio/chemical agent that could survival freezing, thawing,
>processing (think canning), and finally cooking?
Prions come to mind. But they are a very slow killer.
But I am not one with a great deal of knowledge in this area. As far
as I know, the most lethal and fast acting agents, biological and
chemical, tend to be rather delicate things. Die, or breakdown, fairly
easily.
>If so, then how well are our country's food production companies prepared
>for a bio/chemical agent being release somewhere in our nation's food
>supply?
Hmmm. Probably pretty difficult to introduce something very lethal
and fast acting without people noticing. i.e. The workers in the
processing plants falling over.
>
>If you imaginations aren't running wild by now then think food poisoning,
>only several times worst!! Remember the poisoned Tylenol capsules from
>about 20+ years ago. A serial killer's attack that lead to the ban on over
>the counter capsule medication and prompted manufacturers to add child
>safety caps and those highly annoying, but necessary, safety seals!
>
>I'm sure that there are some quality controls in place to detect many food
>born pathogens, but what about a more sophisticated bio/chemical agent!?
>
>
>Just some things to think about,
That it is. The truth is that it is very easy to figure out a way to
kill a few people.
However, it is more difficult to figure out a way to kill a lot,
quickly.
Nukes will do it, certainly. But they are neither easy to build or to
steal.
Poisons are pretty easy to make. As are some nerve agents. However,
making a lot and then getting the large quantity spread to the
intended large number of victims is much more difficult.
I know little about biologic weapons but have been told the same holds
true. The problem is creating the stuff in quantity, keeping it
active, and getting it well dispersed.
Of course, nothing is impossible.
But some things are pretty improbable, and/or likely to be lethal to
fewer than one might think.
The plane into a major building was, really, one of the terrorists
best ideas. To accomplish a lot of death/injuries in a short time.
The problem with something in food that's lethal is that we tend to
notice people dying, put one and one together and soon the info is on
the news to not eat or consume some item, and it is rapidly pulled
from the shelves.
And there is another problem. If the terrorists continue such
attacks, just how many more times can they do it before we as a people
decide to stop playing nice, and by the rules. Tell ourselves that
'collateral damage' is acceptable, and get down to some 'no holds
barred' terrorist hunting?
I am not advocating that, BTW. But I would not be surprised to see
opinion swing that way if the serious attacks continue.
Gunner
>
>Now, they might have been doing this as part of a deceit, to make
>themselves appear to not be fundamentalist Muslims.
>
>Or they simply could have been bowing down to temptation. Just as a
>Christian fellow might do from time to time. After all, it's human
>nature to want to do some things. It's been years since I've gone bar
>hopping or drank very much, but I can remember there was acertain
>amount of fun associated with that. And if you're a norml male, let's
>face it, looking at nude or scantily clad females appeals to certain
>instincts most males are born with.
Or..more simply.. they figured that while sinning (and enjoying the
forbidden fruit), their ride into heaven via kamikaze into building,
would give them enough martyr brownie points to cancel out their minor
sins in the titty bar.
Az_Redneck
wrote:
>On Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:25:02 GMT, sa...@pclink.com (Bob G) wrote:
>
>>
>>Now, they might have been doing this as part of a deceit, to make
>>themselves appear to not be fundamentalist Muslims.
>>
>>Or they simply could have been bowing down to temptation. Just as a
>>Christian fellow might do from time to time. After all, it's human
>>nature to want to do some things. It's been years since I've gone bar
>>hopping or drank very much, but I can remember there was acertain
>>amount of fun associated with that. And if you're a norml male, let's
>>face it, looking at nude or scantily clad females appeals to certain
>>instincts most males are born with.
>
>Or..more simply.. they figured that while sinning (and enjoying the
>forbidden fruit), their ride into heaven via kamikaze into building,
>would give them enough martyr brownie points to cancel out their minor
>sins in the titty bar.
>
>Gunner
My girlfriend and I have a Philipino lady friend who used to work for
a Saudi Prince. She was a bather for his wives. (She gave them baths).
She was WELL paid (Something like $1500/wk)...She also had to be
totally covered from head to toe except her eyes....
BUT, she also said that pre-marital sex was a BIG no-no over there so
they would use a camel. Men would pay the fee, stand in line (They
even had a platform with steps as this practice is VERY common) and
pump away.....
I thought you had a camel AFTER sex.....hmmmm
Offbreed
> I am dubious about their brain power.
I have no doubts about their brain power. They have two nuerons in
their heads and neither one works well. Jeez, trying to eat a horse?
They're a lot of fun to watch and play with, though. A local pet store
had a young litter in the window and a whole mob of us stood around
laughing at them playing. They sold out fast. The store owner hates
them because they bite her whenever she tries to get one out.
One of the local apartment buildings has one loose in the basement.
All the other buildings around have rats, except that one. Try to
catch it and the tenants will decare war on you. Wonder how well
they'd do feral in a big city?
Gunner
wrote:
>>
>>Or..more simply.. they figured that while sinning (and enjoying the
>>forbidden fruit), their ride into heaven via kamikaze into building,
>>would give them enough martyr brownie points to cancel out their minor
>>sins in the titty bar.
>>
>>Gunner
>
>My girlfriend and I have a Philipino lady friend who used to work for
>a Saudi Prince. She was a bather for his wives. (She gave them baths).
>She was WELL paid (Something like $1500/wk)...She also had to be
>totally covered from head to toe except her eyes....
>
>BUT, she also said that pre-marital sex was a BIG no-no over there so
>they would use a camel. Men would pay the fee, stand in line (They
>even had a platform with steps as this practice is VERY common) and
>pump away.....
>
>I thought you had a camel AFTER sex.....hmmmm
One..should also keep in mind an old Arabic saying:
"women are for children, boys are for pleasure"
Speaker to Animals
says...
>
>>My girlfriend and I have a Philipino lady friend who used to work for
>>a Saudi Prince. She was a bather for his wives. (She gave them baths).
>>She was WELL paid (Something like $1500/wk)...She also had to be
>>totally covered from head to toe except her eyes....
>>
>>BUT, she also said that pre-marital sex was a BIG no-no over there so
>>they would use a camel. Men would pay the fee, stand in line (They
>>even had a platform with steps as this practice is VERY common) and
>>pump away.....
>>
>>I thought you had a camel AFTER sex.....hmmmm
>
>One..should also keep in mind an old Arabic saying:
>"women are for children, boys are for pleasure"
>
>
>
over there (he spent 14 months in Saudi Land).
He doubts that is a common occurance.
Aside from the physical difficulties of a man trying to mount a Camaloid,
take a look at a male horse sometime, they are slightly larger, better endowed
than human males, Isalm looks at beastiality with even moe disgust then
eating pork. The late, unlamented Iyatola (Iran's departed supreme nut case)
wrote many opinions on various human animal "inter-reactions".
I love the ban on human and tiger intercourse. Yea real likely.
Out of marriage sex is not only a big no no, it results in the deth sentence.
You get shortened.
But Islam does allow "temporary " marriages that, to this unenlightened
Christian sure appear to little more than legalised prostitution.
But then what do I know.
But your quote about the proper function of women and boys is too true.
Even though Islam treats (male) homosexuality as a high sin and chops
everyone involved head off, it is a all too common practice.
Our word slave is a bastardisation of "slav". The old Muslims liked their
young sex toys (boys) blond and fair skinned. Since women are non people,
just like in ancient Greece, you don't love animals or brood mares, you can
only love social equals.
Our son has been trying to find data on the HIV rate in the Arab world.
The data does not appear to exist. His wife (a kid doc) could not find any
real, hard data on this subject.
In Brazil for example, the HIV rate has gone through the roof.
Older man, younger boy/man relationships are VERY common down in Rio.
And, as a result HIV is very widespread.
As a friend back in Kenctucky used to put it....
"If you wish to avoid HIV, then keep your penis out of dirty palces,and keep
dirty penises out of you". He tends to use the more common slang term, teh
familer form of Richard.
If the Mid-east is anything like Brazil, then they could be having a major HIV
problem.
Offbreed
> Our son has been trying to find data on the HIV rate in the Arab world.
> The data does not appear to exist. His wife (a kid doc) could not find any
> real, hard data on this subject.
> In Brazil for example, the HIV rate has gone through the roof.
> Older man, younger boy/man relationships are VERY common down in Rio.
> And, as a result HIV is very widespread.
> If the Mid-east is anything like Brazil, then they could be having
> a major HIV problem.
Yup. Oddly enough, I was thinking about that about the same time you
were typing your post. The general poverty and filth should produce a
horrible death rate from diseases in general, masking any AIDS
component. No way can there be any government agency tracking
diseases. The overall level of corruption would prevent any government
health service from functioning. The way the Taliban treat women would
prevent any effort to fight any kind of epidemic, given that half the
patients would be out of reach. Just about everything I read about the
Taliban world view says they are a major medical, social, and economic
disaster.
Offbreed
> How do you figure that it would be something out of 007? It wouldnt
> take a global conspiracy to do what I suggest could happen. BTW, what makes
> you think it would be limited to pigs? Hell look at the panic the UK is in
> over foot and month disease and madcow!
Had trouble tracking your post down to respond to.
I have been mulling this one over for, oh, maybe 20 yrs, so my
response presupposed some stuff that's well worn in my thought
patterns, but might not be valid. (And the post I responded to
mentioned pork.) Not mulling over prions, but genocide through bio
attacks of one sort or another.
FWIW:
I have assumed that any group trying to use an advanced attack method
for religious or racial purposes might accept that the attack group
would get wiped out, but they would want the general population of
their group to survive.
Therefore, an attack would use something that a "good" (whatever) is
not likely to be vulnerable to. I wrote off pork, as Moslems would
most likely attack Jews, who do not eat pork. Time to dust this idea
off as Christians are now under attack. Moslems do eat beef and
mutton. (Hindu extremists might therefore try to use Mad Cow, except
they eat mutton, see next paragraph.)
Eating contaminated beef and maybe mutton causes "Mad cow" in humans.
The symptoms are supposed to take a long time to develop, as in
months. The causative agent is a distorted prion ("prions" are a type
of protein common to all cellular life). The distorted prions are
virtually indestructible except by turning them to charcoal and ash,
destroying any food value in the rest of the food. The distorted
prions are hard to test for adequately, thus the extreme measures used
to fight Mad Cow. Prions are also fairly species specific.
I remember one article claiming that prions could cause a bunch of
trouble for one species, but not another. The example given was some
mice with a high load of one type prion not having any trouble, but
another, I think it was hamsters, been seriously effected with fewer
prions.
So, if the terr's were to find a prion that could multiply in pigs
without causing them any trouble and caused humans serious trouble,
they could introduce it into the food headed for the pigs and we would
be in seriously deep shit before we figured out what happened.
As an example, Kuru (sp?), the Laughing sickness, is a prion based
disease that effected cannibals in New Guinea and took about 20 yrs to
develop. It would be ideal, if it does not effect pigs during their
normal lifespan.
Anything that required using pigs as a vector would require breeding
large numbers of pigs for research and development. The
implausibility of Moslems breeding any hogs, never mind that number,
would draw attention unless the project was well hidden. The
researchers would also need a supply of humans for testing purposes.
Keeping people from talking would be a major problem. Obvious solution
is to use a "Mad Scientist's Secret Laboratory"; the old Russian
bunker complex in (IIRC) the Pamir Mountains would do nicely. Thus my
comment on a 007 type plot.
First, Moslems and pigs do not mix. Second, fanatics value doctrinal
purity over professional competence, dooming any such prolonged
project. Third, any such project would take decades and Osami bin
Laden is under attack now. Fourth, the Taliban is probably headed for
extinction from AIDS passed by screwing boys or being screwed as boys.
I doubt we face a problem from this source.
> I'm just curious and would like to know if such a contaminate already
> exists. How resilient is Madcow to freezing, thawing, and cooking? How
> much cooking at how high a temperature is enough to render the contaminates
> harmless? Also, I would like to know if there is anyone in the FDA, USDA
> and/or the CDC that is considering a possible terrorist attack on the US
> food supply!
Several such contaminates exist and the more commen are tested for at
several critical control points (professional jargon, e-search use
those three words if you want to know more). I doubt that the less
probable are not tested for, so there is a hazard from that angle. All
the agencies you mention certainly did consider such attacks before
Clinton. During Clinton? Fat chance.
The intelligence agencies might have been able to hide considering
such problems from Clinton, who would have killed any such project.
The idea of such a lack of oversight makes my skin crawl, but they
could not do their jobs with the a*****e in office.
Bob G
>sa...@pclink.com (Bob G) wrote in message news:<3bbc3afd$0$12817$9ba6...@news.pclink.com>...
>
>> I am dubious about their brain power.
>
>I have no doubts about their brain power. They have two nuerons in
>their heads and neither one works well. Jeez, trying to eat a horse?
>
>They're a lot of fun to watch and play with, though. A local pet store
>had a young litter in the window and a whole mob of us stood around
>laughing at them playing. They sold out fast. The store owner hates
>them because they bite her whenever she tries to get one out.
Yep, they like to bite, but so do kittens and pups. If they are well
bred, however, and not misused, they should not draw blood.
>One of the local apartment buildings has one loose in the basement.
>All the other buildings around have rats, except that one. Try to
>catch it and the tenants will decare war on you. Wonder how well
>they'd do feral in a big city?
Well, as I understand it they were originally domesticated and
trainned to seek out and flush out rodents, etc.
In fact I take one out, just for fun, and have him flush out the
gophers on my property. He took to the game right away. Tho I never
let him finish off the critter. Just go down and run him out. Then
I'd blast the varmit. Haven't done that in a while as he grew big
enough to have trouble navigating gopher holes. At least the ones
around here.
I would imagine they'd take to rat chasing. But don't know as we have
none. The only unwanted varmits we've gotten in the house were these
little field mice. But that was in the past.
Strangely, I have not detected one in the house since we got Missy.
She's over 7 foot now, been a while since I've measured her. But
snakes aren't very entertaining pets. She sleeps more than anything
else. The only real entertainment we've gotten from her was the night
she decided to get out of her cage. This was a few years back.
We had a female house guest at the time. Old H.S. friend of my wife.
Who lives a distance from us. She decided to come visit. And to get
away from hubby, her kids, etc for a week.
Missy loves to cuddle. Especially against a nice warm body, under the
covers.
It was oh-dark-thirty when I was awaken by screams. Bob bounded out
of bed, grabbed the hand gun and immediately was moving. All sorts of
scenarios flashing thru my head. Max, our elkhound met me in the
living room, he was staring upstairs. I bounded up the stairs, he
leading the way. On the way I'd hit a control that turned on all
lights. At the door of the bedroom our guest occupied, I flipped door
open and gave Max the command. He charged in growling, I followed.
I will admit, I was not using the wisest of tactics. But at the time
my only thought was that the lady must be under attack. This is a
friend, I like her a lot, and every scream sent electric shocks thru
me. Was thinking only of getting to her and attacking any attacker.
I'd been awaken from a sund sleep, and this was only seconds later.
I'd not stopped to catch breath or think. Sent in Max, then went in
myself, mentally braced to die, telling myself 'Don't go down til you
kill him !' Whoever 'him' was, the attacker. In goes Max with a
snarl, then I'm behind him by a one count, letting out a loud
'AAAIIIIEEEEEEE', weapon searching while I weaved and moved and
scanned the room ....
To find our guest on top of a queen sized dresser wailing 'Help
MEEEeeee' .....
Max snarling and growling, dancing in a circle looking around for
someone to attack ....
And Missy coiled up on the bed ... probably wondering what all the
noise was about.
Max just gave her a glance, then ignored her. He knew she was okay,
not some stranger or attacker.
I stride over to our lady friend, 'It's okay, it's okay. It's just
Missy. She got out of her cage. Heck, she was just trying to
snuggle. She likes curling up against someone in bed.'
The gal is still shaking, takes a big shuddering breath, then bursts
out with, 'CRAP ... she scared the shit outta me !!!!' I help her
down off the dresser, she leaning against me, shaking. Voice calls up
from downstairs, it's my wife. 'Bob? What's going on ... talk to me
!' I go to the door and walkway on the second floor which looks out
over a story vaulted living room. My wife is down there portable
phone in her one hand, pistol in the other, the other elkhound by her
side. She's online with 911. I let out a big breath myself, then
chuckle and tell her Missy got out of her cage, and scared our guest.
But everything is alright. I still have friend's hand in mine, hug
her and speak calming words as my wife tells 911 it's a false alarm,
everything is okay. The 911 operator tells her to expect patrolman
anyway, he'll want to make a report. Wife asks who it is, we know all
the local deputy sheriffs. She's told, wife says she'll have a cup of
coffee ready for him.
Then she looks up at us and smiles, 'Honey, don't yah think you should
at least put on some underwear before he gets here?'
Yikes, I'd not even remembered I was nude, I sleep in the nude. Our
guest, who is still calming down, giggles. I'm muttering apologies.
She laughes, still has me in a hug, and says, 'That's okay.' My wife,
'Uh huh, I thought so. I bet you wouldn't have screamed if his one
eyed trouser snake had crawled into bed with you.' Guest, 'Maybe,
maybe not. At least it'd have been warm.' Etc.
Sheesh ! They were still carrying on when the deputy arrived. My
wife, 'Hey, Tom, what would you have thought if you'd got here sooner
to find a naked man, a woman wearing only panties, and a 7 foot snake
in the bedroom together?' Etc.
WhiteWolf
grandkids one day...
WW
Rick Bowen
(Speaker to Animals) wrote:
>In article <03dprtcj8e7rg7q5c...@4ax.com>, gun...@cyberg8t.com
>says...
>>
>>>My girlfriend and I have a Philipino lady friend who used to work for
>>>a Saudi Prince. She was a bather for his wives. (She gave them baths).
>>>She was WELL paid (Something like $1500/wk)...She also had to be
>>>totally covered from head to toe except her eyes....
>>>
>>>BUT, she also said that pre-marital sex was a BIG no-no over there so
>>>they would use a camel. Men would pay the fee, stand in line (They
>>>even had a platform with steps as this practice is VERY common) and
>>>pump away.....
>>>
>>>I thought you had a camel AFTER sex.....hmmmm
>>
>>One..should also keep in mind an old Arabic saying:
>>"women are for children, boys are for pleasure"
>>
>>
>>
>I asked our son about that UL and he had heard tales of this beore he went
>over there (he spent 14 months in Saudi Land).
>He doubts that is a common occurance.
>Aside from the physical difficulties of a man trying to mount a Camaloid,
>take a look at a male horse sometime, they are slightly larger, better endowed
>than human males, Isalm looks at beastiality with even moe disgust then
>eating pork. The late, unlamented Iyatola (Iran's departed supreme nut case)
>wrote many opinions on various human animal "inter-reactions".
>I love the ban on human and tiger intercourse. Yea real likely.
Another feel-good ban. If a tiger wants to f*ck someone, he's gonna do
it.
Rick Bowen
Ecclesiastes 3.3 & 3.8
It is time.
TSRA Life Member
NRA Member
Offbreed
> On 4 Oct 2001 17:28:24 -0700, Offb...@my-deja.com (Offbreed) wrote:
> >laughing at them playing. They sold out fast. The store owner hates
> >them because they bite her whenever she tries to get one out.
>
> Yep, they like to bite, but so do kittens and pups. If they are well
> bred, however, and not misused, they should not draw blood.
She's messing up somehow because they are biting because they do not
like her. Maybe she is trying to grab them the wrong way (brings her
hand down on top of them?) or they just sense her hostility.
> Well, as I understand it they were originally domesticated and
> trainned to seek out and flush out rodents, etc.
Must be some kept in the big cities. I have not heard of them being
used these days. A little puzzling.
> In fact I take one out, just for fun, and have him flush out the
> gophers on my property
Pocket gophers? Can't see why they would be afraid of anything they
had in front of them. Lordy, but they got a lot of tooth.
> Sheesh ! They were still carrying on when the deputy arrived. My
> wife, 'Hey, Tom, what would you have thought if you'd got here sooner
> to find a naked man, a woman wearing only panties, and a 7 foot snake
> in the bedroom together?' Etc.
ROTFLMAO, you sure get into some strange situations, Bob.
Bob G
>sa...@pclink.com (Bob G) wrote in message news:<3bbee183$0$1522$9ba6...@news.pclink.com>...
>> On 4 Oct 2001 17:28:24 -0700, Offb...@my-deja.com (Offbreed) wrote:
>
>> >laughing at them playing. They sold out fast. The store owner hates
>> >them because they bite her whenever she tries to get one out.
>>
>> Yep, they like to bite, but so do kittens and pups. If they are well
>> bred, however, and not misused, they should not draw blood.
>
>She's messing up somehow because they are biting because they do not
>like her. Maybe she is trying to grab them the wrong way (brings her
>hand down on top of them?) or they just sense her hostility.
Wouldn't know for sure. Ours play bite, don't break the skin or
anything. When younger, they did this more often, until they got used
to being handled and understood they weren't gonna be hurt. I
normally pick them up with hand underneath. They just drape over my
hand like a limp, wet rag. Seem perfectly content and comfortable
that way.
>> In fact I take one out, just for fun, and have him flush out the
>> gophers on my property
>
>Pocket gophers? Can't see why they would be afraid of anything they
>had in front of them. Lordy, but they got a lot of tooth.
LOLOL. Don't know what to tell you. I we've simply not had a lot of
problems with unwanted agrssiveness from ours. Oh, they do the
ferret dance, stalk, prance, and pounce. And I've noted visitors to
our house getting a bit 'nervous' about this. i.e. Go to pick one up,
ferret plays 'attack', visitor jumps back nervously. I'll laugh and
just pick the critter up. Or, last weekend, we had a guest over and
she saw the two suddenly hop on each other and do battle in a frenzy.
Visitor was startled. Said, 'Oh my God, stop them !' I just
chuckled, I'd been watching. Told her to look close. As viscious as
they looked, no blood ... they were not hurting each other. Not
significantly, anyway.
>> Sheesh ! They were still carrying on when the deputy arrived. My
>> wife, 'Hey, Tom, what would you have thought if you'd got here sooner
>> to find a naked man, a woman wearing only panties, and a 7 foot snake
>> in the bedroom together?' Etc.
>
>ROTFLMAO, you sure get into some strange situations, Bob.
Are they strange?
Had to think about this for a while. That is to say, Bob did a
personal accessment.
Came to the conclusion that for me ... these things are not strange.
Then thought about how I compare to others I know. How do I differ?
Well, first off, I guess most people don't have a small zoo in their
homes. Having a number of, and a variety of critters means that
things happen.
Then I thought about the fact that the wife and I decided to 'get
involved' in a number of things. i.e. Our work with foster kids,
mentally handicapped kids, etc. This lead to many 'incidents', and
involvement in situations that I'd guess some would call strange.
Add that we do things to help adults, also. My wife is a soft touch,
in some ways. Oh, she's strong willed, can be agressive, is
opinionated, etc. Laughing, I've heard her called a 'pushy bitch' on
more than one occassion.
But at the same time, she sure has trouble saying 'No' to someone
needing help. And this is known to her pastor, a couple social
workers, and the local sheriffs department. Thus we gets calls. And
end up dealing with all sorts of people. i.e. In the recent past we
were asked to help a certain lady. She in her mid-30's, 2 kids,
single. An addict. Now trying to go straight. Hard core addict.
You name it, she's done it, likely more than once. Prostitution, DUI,
disorderly, sale of drugs, use of, theft, armed assault (she's knifed
several people, and once broke her own father's arm with a baseball
bat), public indecency and lewd behavior, etc etc etc. Has spent so
much time in this or that jail that she's on a first name basis with
most all the local cops, jailers, judges, and so forth. Just got her
kids back after her most recent 3 yr stint in jail.
Keep in mind, she's carrying a lot of 'baggage'. She started doing
drugs when she was 7. Was given such by her parents. Raped at age 10
by a friend of her parents during a drug party thrown in their home.
When she complained, she was told to 'get over it'. She was
encouraged by parents to sell drugs in school, both of her parents are
dealers. Still are to this day. Etc.
Anyway, she's out of jail again. This last time, 3 yrs, she dried out
well. On top of which she's been warned that another repeat, and
she'll be declared a 'habitual' criminal and do some real serious
time. On top of which, her children will be taken permanently.
So she's giving it her best try. Seems serious this time. If nothing
else, I see one thing, she does seriously love her kids and the
thought of losing them terrifies her.
Anway, she had no place to go, except to her parents' home. It was
decided this was not a good idea for a recovering addict. Her parents
are both still using and selling. She and her kids needed a place for
a couple months while the 'system' worked out things like getting her
an apartment. Plus she had to attend a treatment program, the county
has been having her attend adult education classes (she could not read
or write beyond a 3rd grade level), had no idea about keeping a
budget, didn't know how to cook even basic items, and so forth.
So while things were in progress, we were asked to provide a place for
her to live and adult foster care. Plus things like my wife teaching
her how to care for small ones.
Things like this can keep life interesting.
To say the least, she had and still has 'issues'. LOLOL, to put it
mildly. Let's just say that among other things, to her it comes
natural to think only of herself and personal wants and needs. And
lying or 'using' others, and manipulating people to one's on ends ...
is normal. This is what she's been taught, by example, since
childhood.
Ask her about stabbing her previous S.O.? She just shrugged and said
that was his problem, he shouldn't have pissed her off. 'I don't care'
is her favorite answer. Etc.
Chuckle, first off she had conflicts with my wife. My wife is a
dear, sweet woman. But she takes no bull, backs down from no one, is
not easily intimidated, and has definite ideas about 'right and
wrong'. And has no tolerance for letting things go, that is to say,
if something needs doing, it WILL be done. So there were conflicts.
Our guest found out she could talk street and jail tough all she
wanted. Made no difference. It was matter of do the chores, obey the
rules, or Get Out. And leaving meant she went back to jail and lost
her kids.
So she tried another tactic. Manipulation. She was convinced she
could 'take' my wife in a direct fight. But I am the chief enforcer
in this household. The Chief Master-At-Arms, so to speak. So she
tried a different approach, to get me on her side. Quite an
attractive lady. She tried seduction.
Laughing ... that didn't work either. I expected it, knew from the
start what she was doing. Like the morning she came down to the
kitchen table early. I get up early, between 4 and 5 a.m. Like to
sit, after a quick workout, and have coffee, check the news, etc. My
wife sleeps in a bit longer, til 6 or 6:30. Our guest showed up this
one morning, before my wife awoke. I saw her looking around first,
checking to see if I was alone. Then she came in trying to look half
asleep, letting her robe, which was all that she was wearing, fall
open.
'Oops, sorry, I didn't know you were up and in here.', she said.
Fumbling with robe, slowly, to cover herself. Then grabbed coffee and
sat and chatted, letting robe fall open a lot.
<G> She wasn't very subtle. And Bob has had more than a couple
ladies try to seduce him before. I just enjoyed the view. But if she
thought I'd let natural physical lust control my mind, she was
mistaken. Another time she tried the old one of coming out of the
bathroom after a bath, a baby in arms, come downstairs to where I was
sitting. 'Could you hold her while I get dressed. Wearing only a
towel wrapped around. I took the baby, gal chatted a few moments,
then stretched wide, yawning, wiggled and towel fell off. 'Oops,
sorry.' My wife wasn't home at the time. Another time, in the
evening, my wife wanted to go to bed early. She had an early
appointment. Gal decided she needed to do some homework, for her
literacy classes, asked if I'd help. So I stayed up with her. She
tried again. Making small talk, was dressed in a slinky nightie,
started talking about how it'd been a long time since she'd had a man.
Started telling me about all the wild sexual things she used to do and
enjoy. And so forth. Lots of touching my hand or arm, significant
looks, etc. Even raised a leg and put foot on my lap saying she had
these tense muscles, would I rub her foot. I did, then she asked
about maybe I'd do her thigh?
ROFLMAO !!! It's not as if she didn't turn me on physically. But I
wasn't about to 'go for it'. It's simply not worth it. Later I went
to bed, wife woke up, so I vented my 'frustrations on her. She
certainly didn't object. LOL ... and my wife is not stupid. She'd
seen enough to know our guest was trying to seduce me. Later she
giggled and asked, 'She got you all riled up, didn't she?'
So to others, these may seem like strange situations. But to me, just
part of life.
The lady I mentioned, BTW, is still here. Tho she is to leave soon.
The social workers have found her a place, she's been doing all the
requirements asked of her, the classes, the addiction counseling
treatments, etc. Heck, I've been also taking her to a local AA/NA
place for additional meetings/counseling/support. I stay and sit in.
I have a lot of fun there. Swap stories about crazy things people
have done. Heck, I've done many of the things mentioned. Difference
being many of them I did totally sober and straight. <G>
Bob doesn't need drugs to be 'High' to have fun and do 'crazy' things,
or try something new, or to 'go for it'.
More than once someone has watched me and asked my wife, 'What the
hell kind of drugs is he on?' Just to have my wife answer, 'That's
the sad part, he's not on anything ... he's like that naturally.'
I have noticed that many folks seem to have too much reluctance, IMHO,
to let it all hang out, to go for it, to try something new and
different, etc. Too much TV, too much hanging around doing the same
old things, too much 'couch-itus', too much trying to put on a 'front'
(a false face) in front of others, etc.
Personally I laugh when people talk about 'having a life' and what
they do is always the same old thing. A lot of parties where they get
high on something and swap bullshit talk. Ditto hanging around bars.
Or spending a lot of time watching movies, TV, etc. Or 'hanging' out
with the friends exchanging tall talk.
Personally, I am more inclined to DO things. Real things. Talk is
cheap. Get silly and wild? Laughing, I can do that, dead sober ...
and remember everything I did the next day and not regret a moment of
it even if I did make a fool of myself. Hell, we all do dumbass
things, nothing to be particularly ashamed of. And it can be fun. Be
outrageous? <G> Sure, anytime. Take a chance? Why, of course.
Only I pefer to do such with eyes wide open and a straight mind ... it
improves my chances of surviving.
And I've always had an attitude of, 'What the hell?' and deciding to
go for it. So many times I stepped forward to do something when
others hesitated. Not to say that sometimes I didn't wish I'd hung
back. But one never knows how things might work out, until one tries.
Sometimes one just has to jump in to test the waters, so to speak.
So there have been many times and situations I've gotten into that
might seem 'strange', simply bcause I have a tendency to 'go for it'.
Chuckle, even in more mundane things I tend to try something
different. i.e. My new job. While I have some experience in building
automation systems equipment. It was at a more basic level. i.e.
Working with installed systems. Doing routine maintenance, repairs,
alterations. Have never engineered a system. Unless one counts my
home system. And this job was such that it's a different line of
equipment than what I had experience with. Found a job opening,
asking for an 'engineer'. They'd been looking for a while. All the
experienced guys had jobs. Bob figured, 'What the hell?'. After all,
if someone else could do it, so could I. I knew some, but did I know
enough? Only way to find out was to jump in with both feet.
Did I have fear of failure? Of course. But one never knows if one
can do something new, unless one tries.
I was slow at the start, and hesitant. And have been spending
mornings before work, and evenings after, hitting the books.
Refreshing old knowledge, learning new. Even covered my desk in the
den with controllers, power supplies, input and output devices, lap
top, interfaces, etc and 'breadboarded' things to first hand ensure I
understood concepts and test my ideas for validity.
I'm doing it, I'm making it.
And having a blast doing it. Even tho I have to do extra 'homework'.