MORE FauxFrauds
Cliff
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n_362897.html
"Fox News Runs Old Palin Campaign Footage, Reports It As Book-Signing Crowds
[UPDATE]"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
[
For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under fire for
misusing old news footage. The latest flap is leading some people to charge that
the cable news network is intentionally misleading its audience, while Fox
claims a "production error."
Wednesday's incident occurred when Fox News host Gregg Jarrett mentioned that a
Sarah Palin appearance and book signing in Grand Rapids, Michigan had a massive
turnout. As footage rolled of a smiling and waving Palin amidst a throng of
fans, Jarrett noted that the former Republican vice-presidential candidate is
"continuing to draw huge crowds while she's promoting her brand-new book,''
adding that the images being shown were "some of the pictures just coming in to
us.... The lines earlier had formed this morning."
However, the video used in the segment was from a 2008 McCain/Palin campaign
rally.
]
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/11/fox_news_uses_misleading_foota.html
[
During Fox News' coverage of Sarah Palin's "Going Rogue" kickoff Wednesday, host
Gregg Jarrett talked about the huge crowds the former Alaska governor and GOP
vice presidential candidate was drawing on the road.
The show, "Happening Now" aired in the afternoon, before the first signing took
place Wednesday night at the Woodland Mall Barnes & Noble in Kentwood. He
claimed Palin was "continuing to draw huge crowds" on her promotional tour,
which is a weird enough thing to say before said tour has even officially kicked
off.
But, as Think Progress points out, the footage used over the report is actually
from the 2008 presidential campaign. Doesn't look much like Woodland Mall,
anyway. You can even see McCain-Palin signs:
]
" ... a weird enough thing to say before said tour has even officially kicked
off."
"You can even see McCain-Palin signs"
Stupid wingers just never learn .. their lies get caught. And caught. And
caught.
--
Cliff
Gray Ghost
news:f9tfg5d85hgojvcau...@4ax.com:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n_36289
> 7.html
The Huffington Post?
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Cough, cough.
--
�Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel
of envy, its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery.� Winston
Churchill
Cliff
"Stupid wingers just never learn .. their lies get caught. And caught And
caught."
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
news:59ahg5ddf1ovf7t7o...@4ax.com...
> Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n_362897.html
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under fire for
>>misusing old news footage.
>
> death care and his collapsing economy.
>
> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
> hands of a socialist, now does it?
What "collapsing economy", dipshit?
And what "dead nation", dipshit?
Man you rightards are so fucking funny with egg all over your ugly mugs.
Lookout
wrote:
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n_362897.html
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under fire for
>>misusing old news footage.
>
>I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of Obama's
>death care and his collapsing economy.
>
>Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>hands of a socialist, now does it?
But that's not happening. You're lying.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of Obama's
> death care . . .
What do you feel wrong with counseling the elderly reaching end of life?
--
Regards, Curly
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2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
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Too_Many_Tools
> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n_...
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
> >For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under fire for
> >misusing old news footage.
>
>
> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
> hands of a socialist, now does it?
Making excuses for Faux News now Winston?
TMT
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Not a bit. I'm just wondering why the leftist wingers are so fixated on
> it in the face of so many real problems.
I can't speak for that straw man but personally I am interested in
destroying any concentration of power which threatens my nation.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:01:26 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of Obama's
>>> death care . . .
>>
>>What do you feel wrong with counseling the elderly reaching end of life?
>
> It does have the virtue of keeping ObamaCare on budget.
Then why were you using a provocatively incorrect name?
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
> hands of a socialist, now does it?
No, it doesn't. Are we to make a choice between lies and the U.S.S.R.?
Is it right to permit a federal licensee to lie using the public airwaves
because socialism is bad?
I fail to grok the relationship. There will always be tragedies and bad
players. Why should that prevent eradicating lesser evils? Do I ignore
the tape worms because I have a hernia?
Even if your assertion were true it does not, in any way, justify turning
a blind eye to the lies, deceit, propaganda, and misdirections of Fox
"News." I don't understand why you'd put your reputation in the same
basket as Fox "News."
lorad
wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:01:26 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
> > hands of a socialist, now does it?
>
> No, it doesn't. Are we to make a choice between lies and the U.S.S.R.?
> Is it right to permit a federal licensee to lie using the public airwaves
> because socialism is bad?
>
> I fail to grok the relationship. There will always be tragedies and bad
> players. Why should that prevent eradicating lesser evils? Do I ignore
> the tape worms because I have a hernia?
>
> Even if your assertion were true it does not, in any way, justify turning
> a blind eye to the lies, deceit, propaganda, and misdirections of Fox
> "News." I don't understand why you'd put your reputation in the same
> basket as Fox "News."
>
> --
> Regards, Curly
> 2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
Obama's failure to reinstate The Fairness Doctrine illustrates his
corporate subservience.
Buerste
> on it in the face of so many real problems.
It's all they got! Especially now that Gore's scam has been exposed and
he'll probably lose his Nobel Prize, healthcare votes cost .2 Billion$,
unemployment is 10%+ and rising, terrorists will be released in NYC,
President Wee-Wee is shriveling up under the strain, leading Democrat
Congressman gets 13 years in the slammer, libtards screwed-up the flu
vaccine, States are bankrupt and Palin's book is selling like hotcakes.
BUT, FOX PLAYED THE WRONG VIDEO! FOX PLAYED THE WRONG VIDEO! FOX PLAYED
THE WRONG VIDEO!
At least they have their priorities straight!
Gunner Asch
Obamas failure to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine simply reveals how
close to outright bloody Revolution the United States really is.
If he had tried...it would only have brought the inevitable..that much
faster.
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Short, savage and exceedingly accurate.
Very well done, Tom..very well done indeed.
Mitchell Holman
news:hS6Om.68755$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad:
Maybe Fox should do what they always do when the news
is bad for them - crank up yet more protracted updates on
the Natalie Holloway story that is their staple diversionary
story.............
Mitchell Holman
news:aplhg5h78m6b5o46v...@4ax.com:
> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 21, 9:01�pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n
>>> >_...
>>> > �http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>> >For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under
>>> >fire for misusing old news footage.
>>>
>>> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of
>>> Obama's death care and his collapsing economy.
>>>
>>> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>>> hands of a socialist, now does it?
>>
>>Making excuses for Faux News now Winston?
>
> Not a bit. I'm just wondering why the leftist wingers are so fixated
> on it in the face of so many real problems.
How many of those "real problems" DIDN'T start
under the last president?
Cliff
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n_362897.html
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under fire for
>>misusing old news footage.
>
>I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of Obama's
>death care and his collapsing economy.
>
>Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>hands of a socialist, now does it?
Trying to change the subject ....
Your head is on backwards but don't look now.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n_362897.html
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under fire for
>>misusing old news footage.
>
>I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of Obama's
>death care
The current plans does death quite nicely.
Get sick, lose care, die.
Cancer treatment as an example, is down a lot.
It's hurt a stocks I own due to fewer people
getting care.
Pretty good, right?
>and his collapsing economy.
The bushco economy.
>Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>hands of a socialist, now does it?
Wingers lie.
Faux keeps getting caught at it.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:01:26 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of Obama's
>>> death care . . .
>>
>>What do you feel wrong with counseling the elderly reaching end of life?
>
>It does have the virtue of keeping ObamaCare on budget.
Not at all part of any issue.
You clearly have no idea at all what any of this is about but chose to remain
ignorant & get fed winger lies.
http://www.chicagodefender.com/article-6058-study-finds-end-of-life-counseling-improves-mood.html
Remain the fool for all I care.
--
Cliff
Cliff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine
Wingers could not stand it.
Too much truth.
http://www.newshounds.us/2007/06/28/fair_and_balanced_fox_fears_fairness_doctrine.php
""Fair and balanced" FOX fears Fairness Doctrine"
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
Since when is it Obama's fault that wingers lie?
--
Cliff
Buerste
"Mitchell Holman" <noe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9CCB5F2B636C8...@216.196.97.130...
Curly Surmudgeon
That is possible. It is also possible that with the many disasters
facing him that Obama is picking his battles carefully. Personally I'm
trying to rein in both anger over Obama's failure to perform on some
issues vs. the combination of hopes and expectations.
--
Regards, Curly
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2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
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Curly Surmudgeon
Ain't that the truth?
> http://www.newshounds.us/2007/06/28/
fair_and_balanced_fox_fears_fairness_doctrine.php
> ""Fair and balanced" FOX fears Fairness Doctrine"
--
Regards, Curly
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2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
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Buerste
Or, the one before that? Or, the Congress?
Poetic Justice
get that 2% of the population that's sexually confused....
Curly Surmudgeon
> They SHOULD get some attractive blonds dipped in make-up to do stories!
How did you escape the Bozo Bin? Has it been 30 days already?
Back in the box, Bozo...
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
Why the artificial threshold of "start under the last president"?
Truman had a famous plaque on his desk that said, "The Buck Stops Here".
I find it ludicrous that the Bushbots blamed Clinton for 8 years then,
when Bush left office, claim everything is Obama's responsibility as if
your guy had nothing to do with anything and his 8 years of malfeasance
never occurred.
Mitchell Holman
@newsfe12.iad:
When Bush took office there was no Iraq Quagmire,
no Afghan Quagmire, no deficit and low unemployment.
By the time he left there was a record deficit, TWO
quagmire wars, the worst recession in generations
and a stock market that had actually LOST value.
Not that the Blame Obama First crowd would notice....
"The Obama recession is in full swing, ladies and gentlemen.
Stocks are dying, which is a precursor of things to come. This
is an Obama recession. Might turn into a depression."
Rush Limbaugh, November 6, 2008. Obama was the junior senator
from Illinois at the time.
Mitchell Holman
news:SmeOm.36693$6c2....@newsfe03.iad:
> Buerste wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" <noe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9CCB5F2B636C8...@216.196.97.130...
>>> "Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in
>>> news:hS6Om.68755$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad:
>>>
>>>> "Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:aplhg5h78m6b5o46v...@4ax.com...
>>>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 21, 9:01 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin
>>>>>>>> -c_ n_...
Is that any way to talk about Mary Cheney?
Mitchell Holman
news:hec0bk$nat$3...@news.eternal-september.org:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:21:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in
>> news:aplhg5h78m6b5o46v...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Nov 21, 9:01 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c
>>>>> >_n _...
>>>>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>>>> >For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under
>>>>> >fire for misusing old news footage.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of
>>>>> Obama's death care and his collapsing economy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at
>>>>> the hands of a socialist, now does it?
>>>>
>>>>Making excuses for Faux News now Winston?
>>>
>>> Not a bit. I'm just wondering why the leftist wingers are so
>>> fixated on it in the face of so many real problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> How many of those "real problems" DIDN'T start
>> under the last president?
>
> Why the artificial threshold of "start under the last president"?
>
> Truman had a famous plaque on his desk that said, "The Buck Stops
> Here". I find it ludicrous that the Bushbots blamed Clinton for 8
> years then, when Bush left office, claim everything is Obama's
> responsibility as if your guy had nothing to do with anything and his
> 8 years of malfeasance never occurred.
>
Jan 20, 2009: The day when everything went from
being Clinton's fault to being Obama's fault.
Curly Surmudgeon
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:16:46 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Nov 21, 9:01 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-
>>c_n_...
>>>>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>>>> >For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under
>>>>> >fire for misusing old news footage.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of
>>>>> Obama's death care and his collapsing economy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>>>>> hands of a socialist, now does it?
>>>>
>>>>Making excuses for Faux News now Winston?
>>>
>>> Not a bit. I'm just wondering why the leftist wingers are so fixated
>>> on it in the face of so many real problems.
>>
>>I can't speak for that straw man but personally I am interested in
>>destroying any concentration of power which threatens my nation.
>
> I suggest you take a close look at the one party system currently
> operating in Washington. It's every bit as bad as the one we had in the
> first Bush term and you were quite critical of that.
Actually I agree that the Democrats are incapable of governing according
to the principles of our Constitution. What I am unwilling to do at this
point is to undermine Obama. Not until the economic crisis is resolved
one way or the other.
I do see the dangers of socialism and do not like them. I also
understand that a disintegrating federal government is an even bigger
danger. Perhaps you've not experienced a society in civil war and non-
functional central government. That is even worse that what we now have.
The economy is Obama's Dan Quayle.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> All of them started under Bush.
Close, Bush inherited many of these problems when they were infants
however his policies and actions brought them to fruition.
> Now then. What's Obama planning to do with the mess he inherited and
> when do you suppose he will start?
That is the real issue, how do we get out of this quagmire. We disagree
that Obama has done nothing. The economic disintegration was halted and
markets are stabilizing. This may be a temporary situation as the
fundamentals haven't change much however the use of shock therapy carries
its own dangers.
For instance allowing BofA, Chase, AIG and Goldman to collapse would have
made 1931 look like a walk in the park. There were no good options, this
situation will take decades to repair and I still have hopes that those
who are "too big to fail" will be broken up and those who have been
terribly mismanaged will be allowed to fail.
> Or is the plan to just bitch about FOX until the economy fixes itself or
> collapses taking the nation with it?
>
> Bush went for eight years blaming everything on Clinton. From your
> reply, it looks like Obama is going to nothing constructive for his
> eight years while blaming everything on Bush.
We disagree. Obama is being true to his election promises even if he's
altered course on some issues or changed his mind on others. America is
getting what it voted for. Neither of us like what America voted for but
don't mischaracterize actions taken as "nothing."
> I was hoping for "hope". I was hoping for "change". What I got was the
> audacity of failure.
That chapter hasn't been written yet.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:01:26 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>>> hands of a socialist, now does it?
>>
>>No, it doesn't. Are we to make a choice between lies and the U.S.S.R.?
>>Is it right to permit a federal licensee to lie using the public
>>airwaves because socialism is bad?
>>
>>I fail to grok the relationship. There will always be tragedies and bad
>>players. Why should that prevent eradicating lesser evils? Do I ignore
>>the tape worms because I have a hernia?
>>
>>Even if your assertion were true it does not, in any way, justify
>>turning a blind eye to the lies, deceit, propaganda, and misdirections
>>of Fox "News." I don't understand why you'd put your reputation in the
>>same basket as Fox "News."
>
> You never listened to Air America I assume. Same lies, same public air
> waves. Different side of the aisle.
No, I've never listened to Air America. My visits to the US are limited
in time and radio doesn't reach Argentina. If Rachael Maddow is typical
then I've not missed anything. For some reason Maddow makes my skin
crawl but I've not caught her in lies.
I'm not asking for details but what lies has Air America made that you
can point to specifically?
Mitchell Holman
news:6e7jg5pte9esspcu8...@4ax.com:
> All of them started under Bush.
>
> Now then. What's Obama planning to do with the mess he inherited and
> when do you suppose he will start?
>
> Or is the plan to just bitch about FOX until the economy fixes itself
> or collapses taking the nation with it?
>
> Bush went for eight years blaming everything on Clinton. From your
> reply, it looks like Obama is going to nothing constructive for his
> eight years while blaming everything on Bush.
>
> I was hoping for "hope". I was hoping for "change". What I got was
> the audacity of failure.
Indeed. A president who does nothing as unemployment
soars to new levels in his first year in office even as
a recession he inherited deepens is well described as
a failure.
Unless, of course, his last name is REAGAN.......
"The unemployment rate in the U.S. reached 10.8% in
December 1982 � higher than at any time in post-war era.
Job cutbacks were particularly severe in housing, steel
and automobiles. By September 1982, the jobless rate
reached 10.8%. Twelve million people were unemployed,
an increase of 4.2 million people since July 1981.
Unemployment rates for every major group reached post-
war highs, with men age 20 and over particularly hard hit."
http://investment-blog.net/us-double-digits-unemployment-rate-of-1980-
1981-vs-2008-2009-single-digit/
Gunner Asch
<noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"The unemployment rate in the U.S. reached 10.8% in
>December 1982 � higher than at any time in post-war era.
Then of course you Leftards voted in the Obmassiah..and unemployment
rates are now up to 16%
Sucks to be you eh?
Laugh laugh laugh
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> ObamaCare
> Get sick,
> flunky out holds hand and tells you how nice it is to die, die.
That's a pretty radical interpretation.
Buerste
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
news:hec06a$nat$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
Awww, has your echo chamber sprung a leak? Stick to your masturbatory
banter with the other brain-dead libtards. OBTW...<plonk>
Gray Ghost
news:1igjg55ovmisv9ao6...@4ax.com:
> Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net> wrote >
>
>>> Now then. What's Obama planning to do with the mess he inherited and
>>> when do you suppose he will start?
>>>
>>> Or is the plan to just bitch about FOX until the economy fixes itself
>>> or collapses taking the nation with it?
>>>
>>> Bush went for eight years blaming everything on Clinton. From your
>>> reply, it looks like Obama is going to nothing constructive for his
>>> eight years while blaming everything on Bush.
>>>
>>> I was hoping for "hope". I was hoping for "change". What I got was
>>> the audacity of failure.
>>
>> Indeed. A president who does nothing as unemployment
>>soars to new levels in his first year in office even as
>>a recession he inherited deepens is well described as
>>a failure.
>>
>> Unless, of course, his last name is REAGAN.......
>
> Interesting. It's wrong when Reagan did it, but it's just fine that
> right now Obama is doing the same thing you charge Reagan with?
>
> I guess we know which kind of political hack you are.
>
> Hint for the future - I'm not a defender of either party so save the
> baiting. They are each worse than the other one.
>
> Since you defend Obama and think it's awful to ignore unemployment,
> perhaps you can tell us what Obama is planning to do about it. And
> maybe a hint when he might get around to starting?
Oh, oh, i know the anmswer to that one. He's gonna hold an unemployment
summit. After he get's back from bowing to all of Asia and wrecking the
financial future of this country.
>
>>"The unemployment rate in the U.S. reached 10.8% in
>>December 1982 � higher than at any time in post-war era.
>>Job cutbacks were particularly severe in housing, steel
>>and automobiles. By September 1982, the jobless rate
>>reached 10.8%. Twelve million people were unemployed,
>>an increase of 4.2 million people since July 1981.
>>Unemployment rates for every major group reached post-
>>war highs, with men age 20 and over particularly hard hit."
>>
>><http://investment-blog.net/us-double-digits-unemployment-rate-of-1980-198
>>1-vs-2008-2009-single-digit/>
>
>
--
�Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel
of envy, its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery.� Winston
Churchill
Cliff
>Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:01:26 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>>> hands of a socialist, now does it?
>>
>>No, it doesn't. Are we to make a choice between lies and the U.S.S.R.?
>>Is it right to permit a federal licensee to lie using the public airwaves
>>because socialism is bad?
>>
>>I fail to grok the relationship. There will always be tragedies and bad
>>players. Why should that prevent eradicating lesser evils? Do I ignore
>>the tape worms because I have a hernia?
>>
>>Even if your assertion were true it does not, in any way, justify turning
>>a blind eye to the lies, deceit, propaganda, and misdirections of Fox
>>"News." I don't understand why you'd put your reputation in the same
>>basket as Fox "News."
>
>You never listened to Air America I assume. Same lies, same public
>air waves. Different side of the aisle.
What "lies" do you have in mind?
BTW, Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff
Cliff
>>No, Maddow is an entertainer
>>
>>Although I don't watch entertainers for news---what few
>>minutes I have is interesting in that she debunks the
>>lies of Faux.
>
>What's a Maddow and how does he/she/it relate to what we were talking
>about?
<Snicker>
YOU made claims about Air America but clearly
know nothing at all about it.
Hence you lied like a winger.
Cliff
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:01:26 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net> wrote:
>
>>>I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of Obama's
>>>death care
>>
>> The current plans does death quite nicely.
>> Get sick, lose care, die.
>
>ObamaCare
> Get sick,
> flunky out holds hand and tells you how nice it is to die,
> die.
PLEASE find out what it's about !!!
You need not always look the fool.
>>>and his collapsing economy.
>
>> The bushco economy.
>
>True. What's Obama planning to do to fix it and when do you suppose
>he will start?
Took the rethugs about 10 years & bushco about 8 to do a real
good job.
NOW you expect Obama to find & wave a magic wand & just make
their years of hard work vanish?
>>>Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>>>hands of a socialist, now does it?
>>
>> Wingers lie.
>> Faux keeps getting caught at it.'
>
>Leftist Wingers keep posting red herrings to take the heat off Obama's
>ongoing failures. The audacity of failure. I had "hoped" for better.
>It's Bush all over again. Not a bit of difference.
BS.
OTOH We could have elected a progressive rather than a centrist ...
but that was not one of the final choices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoral_administration_of_Dennis_Kucinich
Not that I liked everything in his platform ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich
At least we now have a Statesman as well as a smart
person.
Stupidity can only take wingers & rethugs so far ....
--
Cliff
Cliff
>s...@above.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:37:44 -0700, Winston_Smith
>><not_...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>
>>>ObamaCare
>>> Get sick,
>>> flunky out holds hand and tells you how nice it is to die,
>>> die.
>>
>>That and 10 other wet-dreams are still only that.
>
>You call being left to die with no treatment a wet dream?
No, it's rethug & Palin's policy.
>You must be
>one of the leftist winger boys.
Like medical care for all .....
--
Cliff
Cliff
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:16:00 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>>Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:01:26 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of Obama's
>>>>> death care . . .
>>>>
>>>>What do you feel wrong with counseling the elderly reaching end of life?
>>>
>>>It does have the virtue of keeping ObamaCare on budget.
>>
>> Not at all part of any issue.
>> You clearly have no idea at all what any of this is about but chose to remain
>>ignorant & get fed winger lies.
>
>It's precisely the Leftist Wingers lies I'm trying to rebut.
Why do you think winger lies & ignorance would do that?
>I notice
>you add no facts, no line of argument - just call names.
You should have found out what it's about in the first place.
Instead you bought winger lies.
No research or thinking needed.
>That's the
>typical reply of a Leftist Winger in the corner.
Such as posting a link from whence you might learn something?
>>http://www.chicagodefender.com/article-6058-study-finds-end-of-life-counseling-improves-mood.html
>
>Chicago Defender. Humm. A home town apologist Obama rag?
Use your own quick search.
>I freely accept that counseling can have value. The issue is using it
>as the sole treatment in lieu of treatment.
Who fed you that lie? WHY DID YOU SUCK IT DOWN?
>The socialist viewpoint
>is that the sick and the old are burdens on society and should be
>disposed of before they eat too much food.
Such as cutting off their insurance .... the rethug way ...
>Without saying it that
>bluntly, Obama has made comments that indicate he agrees with that.
BS.
HOWEVER the patient should have some rights too.
>Looking at the proposed ObamaCare and the current reductions of
>Medicare, it's pretty clear that's where we will go if he has his way.
The "reductions" (added by CONGRESS to placate rethugs) just
slows the rate of future growth a bit I gather.
Easily paid for by cutting out the fraud I expect. So the actual
patients get more.
>Military tactics are often to wound rather than kill because that puts
>a burden on the other side to protect and heal their fallen.
>Socialists let them lay on the field of battle. Perhaps the
>occasional soft hearted socialist will spend a bullet to put them out
>of their misery.
You don't seem to have a clue what or who socialists are.
>That's not the American way. We spend the effort
>to bring them back to their lives. The Obama way is to let the sick
>and old lie where they fall and send around the street sweepers.
You lie like a winger.
>Read "Welcome to the Monkey House" by Kurt Vonnegut if you can find
>it. That's our future.
I met Vonnegut years ago.
>=======
>
>Cover 50 million more people, give them all better care than they have
>now, and it will cost less in total?
You were just claiming less care.
But NOW you want them to die, right?
>Nonsense. When has a government
>program - either party - ever did what it promised; when has it ever
>cost less than projected? When has it ever done both? It's a
>fantasy.
>
>ObamaCare is a recipe for perpetually increasing deficits
>http://alligatorfarm.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/healthcare-deficit.jpg?w=256&h=300
>notice the assumption is ever increasing revenues - but revenue has
>going down and will for years to come.
>
>Organizational Chart of the House Democrats Health Plan
>http://alligatorfarm.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/obama-care1.jpg?w=300&h=231
You are a born sucker for winger BS & lies.
The rethug plan:
http://blog.healthcareforamericanow.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/rhealthplan.jpg
http://www.dccc.org/page/-/images/secret-plan.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1q62jeMTLV0/SmMtz_aaWwI/AAAAAAAABc0/6KFU_7BUKQA/s400/RepublicanHealthPlan.jpg
http://mariopiperni.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/gop-healthcareelephant.jpg
http://tarhearted.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54ee0f61288340120a5ad600a970b-800wi
http://static.open.salon.com/files/steve_greenberg_the_republican_health_plan1254414255.jpg
--
Cliff
Cliff
>s...@above.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:52:11 -0700, Winston_Smith
>><not_...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>
>>>It's precisely the Leftist Wingers lies I'm trying to rebut.
>>
>>Rebutting by lying is acceptable to you?
>>
>>Hmmm.
>
>Your spin. I take it you are one of the Leftist Winger boys.
IOW Not fond of les.
We understand.
Truth is just so confusing ... Rush, Faux & Palin
cannot make it anything they want ..
--
Cliff
Dan
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:01:51 -0800 (PST), lorad <lora...@cs.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 21, 11:43 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:01:26 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>>>> hands of a socialist, now does it?
>>> Is it right to permit a federal licensee to lie using the public airwaves
>>> because socialism is bad?
>>>
>>> I fail to grok the relationship. There will always be tragedies and bad
>>> players. Why should that prevent eradicating lesser evils? Do I ignore
>>> the tape worms because I have a hernia?
>>>
>>> Even if your assertion were true it does not, in any way, justify turning
>>> a blind eye to the lies, deceit, propaganda, and misdirections of Fox
>>> "News." I don't understand why you'd put your reputation in the same
>>> basket as Fox "News."
>>>
>>> Regards, Curly
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�---
>>> 2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
>> Obama's failure to reinstate The Fairness Doctrine illustrates his
>> corporate subservience.
>
> Obamas failure to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine simply reveals how
> close to outright bloody Revolution the United States really is.
So you admit your ideas have no chance when there is competition. You
admit that the only way your ideas can become reality is fromthe use of
force.
Thanks for the update.
Dan
Dan
>
>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 21, 9:01 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n
>>>>> _...
>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>>>> For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under
>>>>> fire for misusing old news footage.
>>>>
>>>> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>>>> hands of a socialist, now does it?
>> Not a bit. I'm just wondering why the leftist wingers are so fixated
>> on it in the face of so many real problems.
>
>
>
> How many of those "real problems" DIDN'T start
> under the last president?
There were a whole slew that started under the three Presidents before
him, and a bunch that started under the three Presidents before that, etc.
Few Presidents (any?) are willing to buck the Republican way of dealing
with international affairs: bomb the hell out of 'em, which always
leaves more problems at the end of a Presidency than there were before,
and solves as close to zero as it is possible...
Dan
Dan
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:37:44 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> ObamaCare
>> Get sick,
>> flunky out holds hand and tells you how nice it is to die, die.
>
> That's a pretty radical interpretation.
>
Especially since it is SOP today for 50 million people, and he thinks
cutting back on that number is somehow BAD in his universe.
Gotta love wingnuts, they are nothing if not stupid.
Dan
Gray Ghost
Gee and I always thought the narrative was that FDR had to drag the
isolatioist Republicans into WWII kicking and screaming. Thanks for clearing
that up.
Harold Burton
grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote:
Leftards do seem to have a hard time keeping their lies straight.
Snicker.
Mitchell Holman
news:6eejg5l2ssk95sn1e...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:38:32 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"The unemployment rate in the U.S. reached 10.8% in
>>December 1982 � higher than at any time in post-war era.
>
>
> Then of course you Leftards voted in the Obmassiah..and unemployment
> rates are now up to 16%
Unemployment rose under Reagan for TWO YEARS.
Where was your talk about "failed presidency" then?
Modern Conservative: Someone who ignored unemployment
as it rose under Reagan, as it rose under Bush, as it
shrank under Clinton, as it rose under Bush, and who
now suddenly pretends to care about unemployment.
Mitchell Holman
news:hal.i.burton-E5B4...@news.newsguy.com:
> In article <Xns9CCC8F0C0A101We...@216.196.97.142>,
> grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>
>> Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:QCAOm.78202$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad:
>>
>> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> >> Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in
>> >> news:aplhg5h78m6b5o46v...@4ax.com:
>> >>
>> >>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Nov 21, 9:01 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>> >>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-pali
>> >>>>>> n-c_n _...
>> >>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>> >>>>>> For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming
>> >>>>>> under fire for misusing old news footage.
>> >>>>> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of
>> >>>>> Obama's death care and his collapsing economy.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation
>> >>>>> at the hands of a socialist, now does it?
>> >>>> Making excuses for Faux News now Winston?
>> >>> Not a bit. I'm just wondering why the leftist wingers are so
>> >>> fixated on it in the face of so many real problems.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> How many of those "real problems" DIDN'T start
>> >> under the last president?
>> >
>> > There were a whole slew that started under the three Presidents
>> > before him, and a bunch that started under the three Presidents
>> > before that, etc.
>> >
>> > Few Presidents (any?) are willing to buck the Republican way of
>> > dealing with international affairs: bomb the hell out of 'em, which
>> > always leaves more problems at the end of a Presidency than there
>> > were before, and solves as close to zero as it is possible...
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>>
>> Gee and I always thought the narrative was that FDR had to drag the
>> isolatioist Republicans into WWII kicking and screaming. Thanks for
>> clearing that up.
>
>
> Republicans do seem to have a hard time keeping their lies straight.
Indeed.
FLIP: 2004 - Bush is against comparing Iraq to Vietnam
FLOP: 2007 - Bush himself compares Iraq to Vietnam
FLIP: Bush says he won't intervene in the Libby case until
the appeals process is completed.
FLOP: Bush commutes Libby while the case is under appeal.
FLIP "We'll stay the course." George Bush 4/13/04
FLOP:"We've never been 'stay the course'" George Bush 10/22/06
FLIP: Bush says we are winning the war in Iraq
FLOP: Bush says we are not winning the war in Iraq
FLIP: Bush says Rumsfeld will stay on thru 2008
FLOP: Bush fires Rumsfeld a week later
FLIP: Bush says he will fire anyone who leaked classified intel.
FLOP: Bush admits he leaked classified intel to Bob Woodward.
FLIP: Bush says wiretaps will be only via court order.
FLOP: Bush admits he was conducting warrantless taps at the time.
FLIP: Bush nominates Harriet Miers, says he with stand by her.
FLOP: Bush withdraws her nomination in face of rightwing flak.
FLIP: Bush says he will veto any bill that limits torture.
FLOP: Bush says he will sign the torture ban after all.
FLIP: Bush opposes campaign finance reform.
FLOP: Bush signs campaign finance reform.
FLIP: Bush says he is for state's rights.
FLOP: Bush sues Oregon to overturn their assisted suicide law.
FLIP: Bush opposes and stalls a 9/11 commission.
FLOP: Bush supports it.
FLIP: Bush is against deficits
FLOP: Bush's policies create the highest deficits ever.
FLIP: Bush is against nation building.
FLOP: Bush engages in it.
FLIP: Bush opposes an Iraq WMD investigation.
FLOP: Bush grudgingly supports it.
FLIP: Bush is for free trade.
FLOP: Bush imposes tariffs on steel.
FLIP: Bush is against a Homeland Security Department
FLOP: Bush takes credit for it.
FLIP: Bush is for states' to decide on gay marriage.
FLOP: Bush then proposes amending the Constitution so they can't.
FLIP: Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli
Palestinian conflict.
FLOP: Bush then pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
FLIP: Bush says he'll provide money for first responders (fire,
police, emergency).
FLOP: Bush dramatically shortchanges law enforcement.
FLIP: Bush in 2001-"The most important thing is for us to find
Osama bin Laden."
FLOP: Bush in 2002-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and
I really don't care."
FLIP: Bush says he'll take care of the environment.
FLOP: Bush then guts laws that protect the environment.
FLIP: Bush talks about helping education.
FLOP: Bush increases mandates while cutting funding.
FLIP: Bush goes to Bob Jones University.
FLOP: Bush then says he shouldn't have.
FLIP: Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote
on whether to sanction military action against Iraq.
FLOP: Bush then changes his mind and announced he would not
call for a vote.
FLIP: Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up
by the sailors.
FLOP: Bush later blames his advance team.
FLIP: Bush says he was never arrested after 1968.
FLOP: Bush admits 1976 drunk driving conviction.
FLIP: Bush says he has been "very candid" about his past.
FLOP: Bush refuses to answer any question about drug use.
FLIP: Bush says he would have gone to Vietnam if called.
FLOP: Guard papers show he declined any overseas duty.
FLIP: Bush promised an "open, honest" administration.
FLOP: Bush sets new records in government secrecy
and censorship.
Harold Burton
Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in
> news:6eejg5l2ssk95sn1e...@4ax.com:
>
> > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:38:32 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> > <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>"The unemployment rate in the U.S. reached 10.8% in
> >>December 1982 � higher than at any time in post-war era.
> >
> >
> > Then of course you Leftards voted in the Obmassiah..and unemployment
> > rates are now up to 16%
>
>
>
> Unemployment rose under Reagan for TWO YEARS.
>
> Where was your talk about "failed presidency" then?
On various BBSs.
Snicker.
Scott
"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
news:59ahg5ddf1ovf7t7o...@4ax.com...
> Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n_362897.html
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under fire for
>>misusing old news footage.
>
> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of Obama's
> death care and his collapsing economy.
>
> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
> hands of a socialist, now does it?
The moonbats should be real happy with Obey and Levin.
More blackmail from the socialist idiots.
Pay for and agree with our health care bill, or we tax your ass off for
Aghanistan.
Choose.
Dan
Those were different parities back then.
Dan
Dan
Unlike you and your ilk, I do not have to keep any "lies straight."
That is the [unknown by you] benefit of being an honest person...
Dan
Mitchell Holman
You weren't evem alive then,
what would you know?
Gunner Asch
"Two top Democrats say they want to impose a new tax on the wealthy to
finance any increase in U.S. troops for the Afghanistan war. "
Given that there are more Rich Democrats in Congress than Rich
Republicans..by a significant number...wont it be cool to have the
Democrats footing the bill for the war in Afghanistan?
<VBG>
Gunner
Gunner Asch
<noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in
>news:6eejg5l2ssk95sn1e...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:38:32 -0600, Mitchell Holman
>> <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"The unemployment rate in the U.S. reached 10.8% in
>>>December 1982 � higher than at any time in post-war era.
>>
>>
>> Then of course you Leftards voted in the Obmassiah..and unemployment
>> rates are now up to 16%
>
>
>
> Unemployment rose under Reagan for TWO YEARS.
>
> Where was your talk about "failed presidency" then?
>
It rose to 27%??????
Laugh laugh laugh laugh
Gunner
>
Scott
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:j8umg59mjrl6a8dg3...@4ax.com...
Dare to dream.
What they are doing is legislating blackmail.
No more troops unless we get our bullshit medical legislation passed
(absolutely packed with pork and literally dozens of new bureaucracies)., or
if we have to send more troops, then we tax your asses off and put even more
people out of work.
What happened to Obama's promises to end the wars?
Reach across the isle and unite?
And don't kid yourself, the Democrats in the House and Senate wont pay a
dime extra either way, they have health care and permanent, untouchable
pensions.
It's a shell game.
Gray Ghost
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:49:02 -0800, "Scott"
><nu...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>news:j8umg59mjrl6a8dg3...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:10:41 -0800, "Scott" <nu...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/23/lawmakers-propose-war-surtax-
>>>>pay-troop-increase-afghanistan/
>>>
>>> "Two top Democrats say they want to impose a new tax on the wealthy to
>>> finance any increase in U.S. troops for the Afghanistan war. "
>>>
>>>
>>> Given that there are more Rich Democrats in Congress than Rich
>>> Republicans..by a significant number...wont it be cool to have the
>>> Democrats footing the bill for the war in Afghanistan?
>>
>>Dare to dream.
>
> Just wash your hands after your "dream"
>
>>What they are doing is legislating blackmail.
>
> Or seeing a senator represent their constituency very
> capably
>
>>No more troops unless we get our bullshit medical legislation passed
>>(absolutely packed with pork and literally dozens of new bureaucracies).,
>>or if we have to send more troops, then we tax your asses off and put
>>even more people out of work.
>
> SInce funneling billions to the wealth class produced
> the latest financial meltdown---how could that be bad?
>
>>What happened to Obama's promises to end the wars?
>
> Mostly impeded by trying to unravel the Bush disasters.
>
>>Reach across the isle and unite?
>
> Somehow reaching across to shake the hand of those who
> caused this mess seems stupid.
>
>>And don't kid yourself, the Democrats in the House and Senate wont pay a
>>dime extra either way, they have health care and permanent, untouchable
>>pensions.
>
> So do the class of people your party supports---
>
Alright dickhead I'll call your bluff. Bring the troops home and shove the
health bill up your ass.
Curly Surmudgeon
> What happened to Obama's promises to end the wars?
I'm with you on Iraq, why the fuck are our troops still targets there?
But Afghanistan? Obama has _never_ promised to end that "war." In fact
he campaigned on enlarging it.
By all means jump Obama for what really happened but don't make shit up.
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Curly Surmudgeon
> And don't kid yourself, the Democrats in the House and Senate wont pay a
> dime extra either way, they have health care and permanent, untouchable
> pensions.
Why limit the statement to Democrats? Republicans get the same. I'd
like all legislators to lose automatic coverage and be forced to buy
their own. Or suffer Gummer's consequences.
Curly Surmudgeon
> Reach across the isle and unite?
Yup, the Obama administration has bent over backwards to enlist
Republicans however they eat their own who might defect as allies. Don't
forget, Republicans lost resoundingly. It is not the elected
administrations responsibility to give them unelected veto power.
Scott
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CCD670A23738We...@216.196.97.142...
> Alright dickhead I'll call your bluff. Bring the troops home and shove the
> health bill up your ass.
<plonk>
Dickhead
Gray Ghost
news:9tqdnfdEYc7mmpHW...@supernews.com:
Aww, to bad. Guess he didn't like me calling his bluff.
Gunner Asch
>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:12:28 -0800, Gunner Asch
><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>"Two top Democrats say they want to impose a new tax on the wealthy to
>>finance any increase in U.S. troops for the Afghanistan war. "
>>
>>
>>Given that there are more Rich Democrats in Congress than Rich
>>Republicans..by a significant number...wont it be cool to have the
>>Democrats footing the bill for the war in Afghanistan?
>
>Be way cool---because those "rich democrats" won't be
>bawling and crying about it.
They have been crying about it for 7 yrs.
Gunner
Harold Burton
Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
cite?
Snicker.
Harold Burton
Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> . . . I do not have to keep any "lies straight."
Must be why Gray Ghost caught you in one.
Snicker.
Harold Burton
Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Harold Burton <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote in news:hal.i.burton-
> 0E6301.221...@news.newsguy.com:
>
> > In article <Xns9CCCD5091428F...@216.196.97.130>,
> > Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in
> >> news:6eejg5l2ssk95sn1e...@4ax.com:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:38:32 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> >> > <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>"The unemployment rate in the U.S. reached 10.8% in
> >> >>December 1982 � higher than at any time in post-war era.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Then of course you Leftards voted in the Obmassiah..and unemployment
> >> > rates are now up to 16%
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Unemployment rose under Reagan for TWO YEARS.
> >>
> >> Where was your talk about "failed presidency" then?
> >
> >
> > On various BBSs.
> >
>
>
> You weren't evem alive then,
> what would you know?
If you didn't want to hear the answer you shouldn't have asked the
question.
snicker.
Mitchell Holman
news:km7pg5l9h7p4mnnqs...@4ax.com:
> grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>>Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>news:QCAOm.78202$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad:
>
>>> Few Presidents (any?) are willing to buck the Republican way of
>>> dealing with international affairs: bomb the hell out of 'em, which
>>> always leaves more problems at the end of a Presidency than there
>>> were before, and solves as close to zero as it is possible...
>>>
>>> Dan
>>
>>Gee and I always thought the narrative was that FDR had to drag the
>>isolatioist Republicans into WWII kicking and screaming.
>
> WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam.
>
>>Thanks for clearing that up.
>
> Simple explanation. Republicans used to be conservatives; Democrats
> used to be liberal. In the last few decades the Rs are acting like
> liberals. They TALK a good game but they DO everything they once
> criticized.
>
> So yes, before that Ds started wars and they got resolved under Rs.
What wars did the Ds start?
And which ones did the Rs resolve?
Mitchell Holman
> In article <Xns9CCCE704476A7...@216.196.97.130>,
> Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Harold Burton <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote in news:hal.i.burton-
>> 0E6301.221...@news.newsguy.com:
>>
>> > In article <Xns9CCCD5091428F...@216.196.97.130>,
>> > Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in
>> >> news:6eejg5l2ssk95sn1e...@4ax.com:
>> >>
>> >> > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:38:32 -0600, Mitchell Holman
>> >> > <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>"The unemployment rate in the U.S. reached 10.8% in
>> >> >>December 1982 � higher than at any time in post-war era.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Then of course you Leftards voted in the Obmassiah..and
>> >> > unemployment rates are now up to 16%
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Unemployment rose under Reagan for TWO YEARS.
>> >>
>> >> Where was your talk about "failed presidency" then?
>> >
<crickets>
Freestyle
> In article <NoJOm.72689$Xf2.36...@newsfe12.iad>,> > > In article <Xns9CCC8F0C0A101Wereofftoseethewi...@216.196.97.142>,
> > > grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>
> > >> Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > >>news:QCAOm.78202$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad:
>
> > >>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > >>>>news:aplhg5h78m6b5o46v...@4ax.com:
Gray Ghost couldn't catch catch the crabs in a Bangkok hoochie house
with a fist full of Hundreds.
You on the other hand Harold are as sharp as a feather duster.
Laff
Mitchell Holman
news:rn8pg5hddpfdms0sp...@4ax.com:
> Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net> wrote>
>>> grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>>>>Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>> Few Presidents (any?) are willing to buck the Republican way of
>>>>> dealing with international affairs: bomb the hell out of 'em, which
>>>>> always leaves more problems at the end of a Presidency than there
>>>>> were before, and solves as close to zero as it is possible...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>Gee and I always thought the narrative was that FDR had to drag the
>>>>isolatioist Republicans into WWII kicking and screaming.
>>>
>>> WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam.
>>>
>>>>Thanks for clearing that up.
>>>
>>> Simple explanation. Republicans used to be conservatives; Democrats
>>> used to be liberal. In the last few decades the Rs are acting like
>>> liberals. They TALK a good game but they DO everything they once
>>> criticized.
>>>
>>> So yes, before that Ds started wars and they got resolved under Rs.
>>
>> What wars did the Ds start?
>>
>> And which ones did the Rs resolve?
>
> Look up in my post. WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam.
>
WWI. Started abroad 3 years before US entry, which
was a response to attacks on the US that Republicans
were content with? R's had no role in resolving.
WWII. Started 2 years before US entry, which was a
response to an attack on the US that the Republicans
were content to let go unanswered? R's had no role in
resolving.
Korea. Started with communist attack on an ally
that the R's were content to let go unanswered? R's
"resolved" by leaving the aggressor nation in power.
Vietnam. Started with US meddling in foreign
elections, followed by R's taking sides, resolved by
R's retreating and surrendering.
Does that about cover it?
Cliff
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:52:11 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:16:00 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>>>>Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:01:26 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>
>>>>>>> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of Obama's
>>>>>>> death care . . .
>
>(snip restored)
>
>. . . and his collapsing economy.
So jail some rethugs ...
>
>>>>>>What do you feel wrong with counseling the elderly reaching end of life?
>>>>>
>>>>>It does have the virtue of keeping ObamaCare on budget.
>>>>
>>>> Not at all part of any issue.
>>>> You clearly have no idea at all what any of this is about but chose to remain
>>>>ignorant & get fed winger lies.
>>>
>>>It's precisely the Leftist Wingers lies I'm trying to rebut.
>>
>> Why do you think winger lies & ignorance would do that?
>>
>>>I notice
>>>you add no facts, no line of argument - just call names.
>>
>> You should have found out what it's about in the first place.
>> Instead you bought winger lies.
>
>Which lies were those? Please take as much white space to spell it
>all out.
Found those "WMDs" yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o
HTH
--
Cliff
Dan
Where and when? Do be specific.
> Snicker.
Snicker indeed!
Dan