Wrongly cured smokies
Raymond R.
half way finished with one and noticed little maggot like worms in the
smokey.
The guy said that this happens every now and then. I am not experienced
in this, but this guy seems to be trying to pull one over on me. Should
worms ever be in curred meat?
NEOMASTINO
>in this, but this guy seems to be trying to pull one over on me. Should
>worms ever be in curred meat?
>
No! Totally gross. Ick!
donna in tx
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light,
and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isa
5:20
Jerry
"NEOMASTINO" <neoma...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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Yes, I believe he is pulling one over on you. Sounds like a call to the
health department may be due. I'm not experienced in this either but I know
maggots in food is not good.
Az_Redneck
Be careful he doesn't charge you double for the extra protein :)
PROMETHEUS
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Damn. Next thing 'ya know them thar bears will slurp up all the honey in yer
neck 'o the woods. Gosh!
Clover
control what goes in. (or in your case..crawls out) LOL
Slice a roast ( or other pc of meat ) thin ..about the thickness of
bacon, works good. Put your marinade or spices in a pan ...everybody
has his own recipe...but an example would be:
a couple bottles of soy sauce
some liquid smoke
tobasco
a beer
some pepper, chili pwdr, etc to taste.
use your oven..( put a sheet of tin foil on the bottom to catch drips )
after the meat has soaked in the juice for awhile...pick out a strip of
meat..put a toothpic thru one end, and hang it from the oven rack and
let it dangle.
set the oven temp to the LOWEST temp ( about 150 degrees or so) leave
the oven door open about an inch to let out excess heat... leave it
over night..in the morning it's "Jerky"...
It should be completely DRY.. the more moisture content..the less time
you can keep it without it going bad. I've been doing it this way for
about 30 years, if you have particular questions..post em..I'll help if
I can.
That's a start... it's EZ..and nearly...Fun...!
~Dagger~
Gary7
255.iap.bryant.webtv.net>:
Are you sure they're maggots or just gobs of fat or silverskin? if flys got
into the meat before smoking, they could have laid eggs which grew into
maggots, but the meat would be so decayed that i don't belive you could
even eat it.
Smoking would kill the maggots and any other parasites in the meat so it
will be OK from a health standpoint.
Its up to you... if it was a TEOTWAWKI scenario I'd say eat up... but as it
is now, I'd take it back and get my money back.
cozyhome
'cooked' meat? I probably wouldn't care if I ate rare meat, but I'm one
of those who demand my meat is always WELL DONE, and it sounds like this
meat is not cooked at all?
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Clover <webd...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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store...pick up a pkg of beef jerky, and try it. (you'll like it)
"store bought" jerky isn't cooked either.
The real advantage to drying meat (as discussed) is it's shelf life. it
will stay good for a very long time. I've kept meat this way for up to
a year.
~Dagger~
cozyhome
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Cozy
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Bob G
R.) wrote:
Doesn't sound right to me. Not if the animal carcus properly taken
care of, etc. If there were some visible infestation, I'd at least
cut that hunk out. Then if the meat is properly cured and kept
protected and stored, you shouldn't get later maggot problems.
<Shrug> OTOH, if those maggots are dead and cured too, along with the
meat ... not likely to hurt you. Might be unsightly, pose a certain
mental 'gag' factor, but if they are maggots, shouldn't be
particularly harmful. Tho I'd be leary about the meat, if it'd been
allowed to spoil that long, could be other things to worry about.
But, as far as maggots themselves are concerned, and other unwanted
critters in one's food. More than a few times I've discovered 'after'
that something I'd just eaten or taken a bite out of has had
something in it. That crawled or wiggled. <Shrug> I'm still here
and healthy. I just viewed it as extra, fresh protein. <G>
Some bugs don't taste so good, but some others, such as maggots and
some apple worms, etc taste just like what they are in ... so you
don't even notice unless you see them.
Bob
I love my country ! It's the politicians I don't
like or trust.
seb...@thegrid.net
Reminds me of that (stupid) old joke:
What's worse that finding a worm in your apple? Finding 1/2 a worm.
Groan.
Sue
seb...@thegrid.net
Reminds me of that (stupid) old joke:
cozyhome
off to put on mustard, you saw a roach fried on top, would the fact that the
owner said "it happens sometimes" mean you'd accept it, or demand your money
back and stay outta there? If it happens sometimes, then that doesn't
mean it's acceptable, just that he is careless.
--
Cozy
http://www.geocities.com/cozyhomelife
Bob G <sa...@pclink.com> wrote in message
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Richard Lewis
Think of it as cooking and you won't notice it, since drying and
cooking really end up with the same thing. Think of it as meat that's
cooked over a very low flame for a long time. Have you never had a
piece of jerky? I'm stunned!
ral
KB9WFK
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> is there such a thing as cooking meat AND drying it?
>
> --
> Cozy
If you are making jerky you do not want to cook the meat. The temp should
never get that high. Smoking meat requires cooking.
Joe
PROMETHEUS
> like or trust.
===========
False patriotism. You ELECTED those darn politicians. You voted for them.
Only a right-wing nut-case pretends to love America and hate the government
in the year 2001. 1776 was another story.
Condor Chef
===========
False logic. A simple majority of voters (both living and dead) elect
politicians. The Democan/Republicrat who can dig up the most
still-voting cadavers wins. Only a left-wing nut-case pretends that
bought-and-paid-for politicians are trustworthy or likeable. 1776
wasn't so long ago.
CC
Russell C. Nixon
trust politicians. I agree. I also agree that we elected the. H. L.
Menken (SP?) wrote "Thinking is such hard work. That is why so few
people do it." People need to think more with the big head up top and
less with the little one. Especially in the voting booth.
Russ
PROMETHEUS
electoral system. Typical lunatic fringe argument.
Propose a better way to run a 21st century SUPERPOWER with over 280 million
people.
Come on fucker, let's go. Or is living all alone in your Hillbilly cabin
what it's all about?
Let's go, WHITE TRASH INBRED DORK!!!
Come on fucker, what's yer redneck answer to this one!!!!
YOU ARE an Anglo-Saxon neurotic piece of shit!!!!
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Condor Chef
>YOU are WRONG!!! Now you are stating that there is a problem with the
>electoral system. Typical lunatic fringe argument.
No problem at all - dead folks should have the *right* to vote.
>Propose a better way to run a 21st century SUPERPOWER with over 280 million
>people.
Hmmm - how about *legally*?
>Come on fucker, let's go.
Where we goin', sweetcheeks?
>Or is living all alone in your Hillbilly cabin what it's all about?
Wouldn't know - How's Nippon treating you, Gaijin?
>Let's go, WHITE TRASH INBRED DORK!!!
Speaking of lunatic fringe - ADHD messing up your day? Missed your Ritalin
dose?
>Come on fucker, what's yer redneck answer to this one!!!!
My answer is: Bwahahahaha! Stepped on your dainty toeseys, huh? Got your
little panties all in a bunch? Bullseye!
>YOU ARE an Anglo-Saxon neurotic piece of shit!!!!
No, I'm not Anglo-Saxon, but I won't deny the neurotic piece of shit part.
However, bi-polar schizophrenic with homicidal tendencies would be a closer
assesment (that's what the VA said, anyway - I just told them I was having a
*bad* day).
Wanna swim off'n yer island and spout that happy shit to my face, Loserman?
Didn't think so.
CC
KB9WFK
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"PROMETHEUS" <du...@alpha.ocn.ne.jp> wrote in message
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Perry Noid
GOOD GRIEF!!!
Obviously he did not cook the deer meat because the maggots survived.
You know deer carry parasites, so all deer meat should DEFINATLY be
cooked before eating, worse than pork. This means no jerky made from
deer meat (since jerky is uncooked, dried meat - dried meat will spoil
if cooked). The only way maggots got in the meat is because he allowed
flies to deposit their eggs on the meat. If he couldn't get that right,
i doubt he "cured" the meat before smoking it -(the "cure" is typically
soaking the meat in a brine solution containing the "cure" for a few
hours or even days, a chemical used to prevent botulism and other bad
things from being triggered in the smoking process - salt and saltpeter
were used in the old days, sodium nitrate is used today).(modern cures
go by the names: Insta-Cure, Prague Powder, and a few others). idiots
think smoking the meat is "curing the meat".
either that guy is a complete idiot, or he intentionally fed you some
bad meat! You know a devious psycho (there are plenty running around
loose) would stand right next to you eating the same meat (to pretend he
didn't know it was bad), then after you left he drank something to kill
the parasites - activated charcoal is consumed to treat botulism. Then
tell you with a straight face the reason you got sick and he didn't was
"survival of the fittest". There are some people who are exactly that
devious!
I'd be talking to your local health dept. about that guy.
BTW, you know mad deer desiese has been reported in the Central United
States! i'm not kidding either, it was reported on CBS, i got screen
shots of the maps where mad deer exsist if anyone wants.
The maggots themselves were fine to eat btw ;o)
PROMETHEUS
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PROMETHEUS
chump?????????
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Condor Chef
>Hello, chump. What's life like in the PSYCHO WARD? Do a lot of PSYCHO-DRAMA,
>chump?????????
Amazing - Promqueen wins one on wit and guile. Bravo.
Just remember - flaming on the newsgroups is like running the 100yd dash in
the Special Olympics; You might win the race, but you're still retarded.
CC
Offbreed
> this subject confuses me.... I mean is 'dry' meat considered the same as
> 'cooked' meat? I probably wouldn't care if I ate rare meat, but I'm one
> of those who demand my meat is always WELL DONE, and it sounds like this
> meat is not cooked at all?
Don't know if store bought jerky is cooked.
Lots of diseases and parasites can live through drying because they
had to in order to be passed on to the predator or scavenger that ate
the animal they were living in. Trichinosis for example, can survive
being dried for a while. (Ever hear of "Pork Jerky"? Good reason why
not.) (Side note: Freezing at really low temperatures for several days
will also kill most parasites and some diseases. The southern strains
of trichinosis will die, the arctic strains will not.)
"Cooking meat" means coagulating protein with heat. Consider the
difference between egg white that is dried and egg white that is
cooked.
Most life forms are made of protein, so coagulating it kills them.
Deer generally does not have diseases or parasites that can harm us,
so venison jerky is generally okay. ("Mad Cow" cannot be made harmless
by cooking, so that is a moot point, raw or cooked.) Sick Beeves are
not supposed to be butchered for human food and meat with tapeworm
cysts is not supposed to be sent to market, so most beef from a
reputable butcher store is okay.
One of my co-workers with a somewhat less than formal attitude toward
the law claimed that few restaurants or stores really cared where
their meat came from, if they got a good deal on the price. (We had
been discussing how hijackers got rid of their booty and he claimed
personal knowledge. I do not have an opinion on his credibility.)
Parasite ridden meat usually has visible signs and the cook/meat
cutter is very likely to cut the bad pieces out in order to avoid
flack, screaming customers, etc. Diseased meat does not show anything.
Diseased meat could thus enter the human food chain by someone
knowingly butchering a sick cow, or meat that was condemned could get
hijacked and sold for food.
Bob G
wrote:
>this subject confuses me.... I mean is 'dry' meat considered the same as
>'cooked' meat? I probably wouldn't care if I ate rare meat, but I'm one
>of those who demand my meat is always WELL DONE, and it sounds like this
>meat is not cooked at all?
Jerked meat is not cooked.
Oh, possibly, I suppose, some exotic form of it is, somewhere in the
world. But what we typically call 'jerky' in the U.S. is simply raw,
dried meat. Many these days add various flavorings and preservatives.
Especially commercially made stuff. Commercial producers want to
provide variety of taste, and they do not dry jerky to the extent it
was dried in the old days. A matter of a pleasing texture and
chewyness preferred by many customers. It not being dried out as
much, preservatives are necessary, for safety.
Long time meat storage as jerky, as in olden days, as it was done by
the american indians, entailed simply taking thin sliced meat and
hanging it in the sun. Or near but not too close to a smokey fire.
The smoke helping to add flavor and to keep the flies away. And
drying the meat until it was very dry. i.e. Bending a stick of it, it
would snap in half, or even crumble, easily. Such low water content
meat would keep for a long time.
Dry it until it was easily crumbled, crumble it, mix it with
approximately equal amounts of rendered fat. Mix well until each
particle of meat had a coating, pack the mass tightly to remove
entrained air. i.e. They used to make a bag, think roughly like a
pillow case, out of a hide. Stuff ... stuff ... stuff ... tightly.
Using a tamper to pound stuff in. Then even standing on bag to press
air out and tightly pack. Finally sewing bag shut.
This was pemmican. There were local variations. Type of meat, exact
proportion of fat to meat, type of wood used whose smoke wafted over
drying meat varied according to preference. Some added dried berries
of various sorts to the mix.
It is recorded in various writings of people who dealt with the
indians back then that the more carefully made and packed pemmican was
known to last for years. Fur trappers, explorers, our early military
forces, etc used to do a lively, thriving trade with certain
tribes/villages who had better reputations at making the stuff.
Dried meat, grains, veggies, fruit, etc were the very corner stone of
the american indian long term storage system. And it worked well. As
long as yah could keep your stuff dry.
FWIW, I suspect the Europeans in years past had also extensively used
dried meats and such, but really am not sure. Not knowing the history
of that place all that well. I do know that I read statements by a
couple men, early European explorers, who expressed surprise and
wonder about pemmican paticularly. Seemingly surprised about how
nourishing it was and how long it lasted without spoiling.
FWIW, I've made the plain, no preservatives, jerky ... the very dry
sort (cracks or crumbles when bent) and had it go a year without
problems. And I made some homemade pemmican, no preservatives, and
sealed it in a vacuum bag and it was okay after 2 years. No
scientific testing. I open vacuum sealed bag, gave sniff test, then
ate it. Tasted okay, didn't harm me.
My problem is that when I make the less dry, bendable, chewy, flavored
variety of jerky ... it does not last. <G> It is eaten too fast. This
sort I do use a preservative with. But can not vouch for how much the
preservative helps as I can not keep the stuff away from the 2 legged
vultures very long.
Okay, I'll fess up, I'm one of those 2 legged vultures. <G>
FWIW, you can also dry bird and fish. Some folk, however, do not like
dried fish. My wife and daughters love fish; fresh cooked, smoked,
pickled, etc. But do not care for dried fish at all. My son and I
will eat and enjoy it, however.
My wife says that son and I will eat anything, so never trust our word
as to whether or not something is edible. "Give them some Tabasco to
sprinkle on it, or some hot peppers. And they'll think anything is
good, or at least passable.", is something she tells everyone.
Bob
Bob G
wrote:
>Well, if a you bought a hamburger at a restaurant and when you took the top
>off to put on mustard, you saw a roach fried on top, would the fact that the
>owner said "it happens sometimes" mean you'd accept it, or demand your money
>back and stay outta there? If it happens sometimes, then that doesn't
>mean it's acceptable, just that he is careless.
One cockroach? <Shrug> It does happen. That alone would not bother
me that much. I'd ask for a different hamburger. (Altho, truthfully,
not a lot of chance I'd order a hamburger in the first place.)
Now, if it happened a second time, a different matter. Or if the
fellow tried to insist that cockroaches in one's dinner was normal ...
Well, I think I'd find someone new to do business with.
Where did you get the impression I thought cockroaches, or maggots, in
one's meat was 'normal'. I believe I indicated I thought it meant
they'd done something wrong. In processing, or storage, etc.
Bob G
>> But, as far as maggots themselves are concerned, and other unwanted
>> critters in one's food. More than a few times I've discovered 'after'
>> that something I'd just eaten or taken a bite out of has had
>> something in it. That crawled or wiggled. <Shrug> I'm still here
>> and healthy. I just viewed it as extra, fresh protein. <G>
>>
>> Some bugs don't taste so good, but some others, such as maggots and
>> some apple worms,
>
>Reminds me of that (stupid) old joke:
>What's worse that finding a worm in your apple? Finding 1/2 a worm.
>Groan.
>Sue
Laughing, done it many times. I like apples. Doesn't bother me to
find half a worm.
Bob G
LOLOL !!!!
Oh my. You definitely have an opinion.
And you have a right to your opinion.
But an opinion is not automatically correct, nor automatically FACT.
Chuckle, you brightened my day. I needed a bit of humor.
Thanks,
Bob
NEOMASTINO
through it. Did not keep. The excess fat caused it to go rancid. I dried it
hard and removed fat with paper towels. Have not had that problem with the lean
cuts. Has anyone else had this problem? Any solutions?
donna in tx
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light,
and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isa
5:20
PROMETHEUS
You are most certainly not welcome. It's scum like you that turn the world
into bullshit. You fuckers don't like the government. Go to fucking Russia,
where the government is weak, criminals are strong and the average citizen
is powerless in the face of gangs and mafias. You "patriotic" fuckers
wouldn't STAND A CHANCE if order were to break down in the States. The
gangs, druglords, and other scum would turn y'all into snivelling, cringing
cry-babies, but ah reckon that's what y'all is anyways!!!!!
Laughing real hard at all of you TRAILER TRASH!!!!!!!
PUFF!!
cozyhome
My reply was about the attitude of the person who sold the maggoty jerky -
that wasn't you was it???
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http://www.geocities.com/cozyhomelife
Bob G <sa...@pclink.com> wrote in message
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Br.Roullé
>
> You are most certainly not welcome. It's scum like you that turn the world
> into bullshit. You fuckers don't like the government. Go to fucking
Russia,
> where the government is weak, criminals are strong and the average citizen
> is powerless in the face of gangs and mafias. You "patriotic" fuckers
> wouldn't STAND A CHANCE if order were to break down in the States. The
> gangs, druglords, and other scum would turn y'all into snivelling,
cringing
> cry-babies, but ah reckon that's what y'all is anyways!!!!!
>
> Laughing real hard at all of you TRAILER TRASH!!!!!!!
>
> PUFF!!
Mmmmmm. Taking credit for the circumstances of your birth, eh? So what have
you got against people who live in trailer parks?? I am sort of curious as
to where you got this overweening sense of superiority, BG ...
KB9WFK
> Laughing, done it many times. I like apples. Doesn't bother me to
> find half a worm.
>
> Bob
>
that. :-)
Joe
Bob G
wrote:
>Bob - I wonder why you think I thought that you thought roaches were normal.
>My reply was about the attitude of the person who sold the maggoty jerky -
>that wasn't you was it???
No. A misunderstanding. Cozy, you post your replies at the top of
messages, rather than underneath the particular part you are
responding to. So sometimes it is difficult to determine precisely
who you are addressing your comments to. Or precisely what part of
the message you are commenting on.
Bob G
wrote:
>I made some jerky using a chuck roast which has a fair amount of marbled fat
>through it. Did not keep. The excess fat caused it to go rancid. I dried it
>hard and removed fat with paper towels. Have not had that problem with the lean
>cuts. Has anyone else had this problem? Any solutions?
>
Yes, remove as much fat as possible. In fact you'llfind that listed
as one of the procedures in any competent guide to making jerky.
OTOH, when making pemmican, you use the fat. But render it first.
Bob G
wrote:
Chuckle, some people have a revulsion against bugs. A certain gag
factor. I am not one of those. Takes a lot to make me gag.
Tho I will admit, having purposely eaten both raw and cooked bugs, I
tend to prefer mine cooked.
Bob G
<du...@alpha.ocn.ne.jp> wrote:
>> LOLOL !!!!
>>
>> Oh my. You definitely have an opinion.
>>
>> And you have a right to your opinion.
>>
>> But an opinion is not automatically correct, nor automatically FACT.
>>
>> Chuckle, you brightened my day. I needed a bit of humor.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob
>============
>
>You are most certainly not welcome. It's scum like you that turn the world
>into bullshit. You fuckers don't like the government. Go to fucking Russia,
>where the government is weak, criminals are strong and the average citizen
>is powerless in the face of gangs and mafias. You "patriotic" fuckers
>wouldn't STAND A CHANCE if order were to break down in the States. The
>gangs, druglords, and other scum would turn y'all into snivelling, cringing
>cry-babies, but ah reckon that's what y'all is anyways!!!!!
>
>Laughing real hard at all of you TRAILER TRASH!!!!!!!
>
>PUFF!!
>
ROFLMAO ......
Oh Geez ... you are funny.
Hmmmm ... just in case you are trying to be serious.
You say I show false patriotism. Really?
Hmmm....
FWIW, I spent 23 yrs on active duty in the military. Which included 3
tours in Nam .... VOLUNTARILY. And I carry several scars as a result,
not to mention being short a few feet of intestines, still have pins
in one leg, and half my left ear was reconstructed by a plastic
surgeon.
I'm 53, I've been paying taxes and social security since age 13. I
vote in all elections. I routinely contribute to charities of my
choice. I do additional voluntary community work helping old folk and
people with disabilities. I contribute money outta my pocket and some
of my time and sweat to some conservation and wildlife management and
protection efforts. FWIW, when I say I contibute money to charities
and conservation efforts, I mean to the tune of a few thousand dollars
per year out of pocket. And, no, I am not rich. I make more than
average, but I'm a long way from rich. Personal time donated to
various things would work out to be a couple hundred to a few hundred
hours per year. Depending on the year.
I've been a Boy Scout, and a Boy Scout Leader. A member of 4H. Spent
a couple years as a volunteer mentor. (A volunteer, tutoring
disadvantaged kids after hours.)
I spent 4 years on a local volunteer fire and rescue squad.
When I was living in Alameda, Ca and the big bay area earthquake hit I
was one of the volunteer search and rescue people. I've been a
volunteer worker at 2 massive flood scenes.
Want to tell me ... again ... about my 'false patriotism'? Or
question whether or not I've been a productive citizen?
Plus, you think I'm trailer trash? LOLOL ....
What part of the sterotype do you think I match?
The trailer home? Oh, I own a 37 ft 5th wheel RV trailer. Plus a 15
room home set on 6 acres. Plus a modest cabin on 2 acres on a
lakeshore.
Or, perhaps you are implying I am a bt ... uneducated? That is one of
the stereo-typical attributes associated with 'trailer trash'.
Well, I am not as educated as I'd like to be. But I've managed to get
a 2 yr degree in computer science, a BS in marine engineering and a
masters in sociology.
And I've attended technical schools in boilers and steam power;
generators and automatic transfer switches; internal combustion
engines; heating, refrigration and air conditioning; pneumatics;
hydraulics; cryogenics; BAS (building automation systems);
locksmithing; fire and burglar detection and alarm systems;
electronics; computer repair; waste water treatment systems; welding
and NDT.
I carry valid licenses as an air conditioning and refrigeration tech,
an electrician, and a Chief A (unlimited) boiler license. And am
certified and licensed in Minnesota as a vocational instructor.
I just finished a refresher course to maintain my certifications in
adult and infant CPR and as a First Aid First Responder.
Besides English, I am conversant in Spanish, Tagalog, and Tsalagi.
Tho my Tagalog is beginning to get rusty from lack of use. Still
remember more than a little of the 2 years of Latin I studied in
school. And I can use sign language passably well.
I am a graduate of the Navy Master at Arms school, the Air Force
Security Police school, a special combat course that was given to
river patrol types years ago, an advanced military hand to hand
course, a riot control course, and the Navy saw fit to send me to a
nifty Army run course where they taught me how to make homemade bombs
and booby traps. Particular assignment I was going on, I would
possibly run into such ... so to recognize the hazards and the items
we might face, they taught us how to make them. I've practiced
judo/jujitsu, wrestling, and boxing since I was a youth. And have
picked up some training in karate, krabi krabong and sword fighting
along the way. I am also a graduate of the Navy's SERE school.
(Survival, Escape, Resistance, and Evasion)
I had my first knife fight at age 11. Several more after that, and
carry the scars. I've fought men with hands and feet, clubs, blades
and firearms. It'd take me a while to list the scars I have, and the
number of bones I've had broken.
So if you think I'd just fold up and snivel when someone comes at me,
better think again. BTDT, and I'm still here. I've never been one to
back down from anyone ... unless I'm trying to get them off guard so I
can sucker punch em. Chuckle, and I've used that tactic more than
once. When it comes down to it, I have little reluctance to take
someone by surprise, from behind or whatever. The ambush when needed
is a good thing in my book, my momma raised no fools.
In case you wonder, I've never been one to watch TV much, or play
couch potato. I'd have to try hard to name 5 TV shows currently
produced. My lifestyle is one of DOING, not sitting around thinking
or talking about it, or watching others do something. I have no clue
as to the movies made and released the past few years. I'll watch a
few movies on tape in the winter, perhaps 5 or 6 in total. Usually
have to ask a friend for recommendations as I've not even seen, or
paid attention to the advertisements.
So, what do you do with YOUR time? Besides talk big, make assumptions,
spout stereotype bullshit, and make posts that read more like pure
Trollism than anything useful and contributory to this newsgroup?
FWIW, I believe very much in freedom of speech and expression, even
when I disagree with the person concerned. And as concerns
politicians ... I praise them when they deserve it, and criticize when
they deserve it. And neither you nor anyone else in this life will
stop me from doing so short of killing me. I call things as I see
them. They are elected politicans, not royalty, not dictators, not
spokesmen for God. They are no better than I. They do some things
right, some things wrong. Some are honest, others are only as honest
as they can get away with.
So kiss my ass.
Bob
Lonnie Courtney Clay
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Attaboy Bob G!
Prometheus anagramas (amoung others) The Supremo, Peer Mouths
NEVER EVER buy in to the proposition that politicians are accountable
only at election time....
Horse's mouth or horse's ass you say ?
Send an elephant my way!
Lonnie Courtney Clay
neepnep
Just wanted to say thank you for fighting for the freedom that I enjoy
in this country. You sound like one heck of a guy.
Best Regards,
Patricia
>snip Bob's way impressive list of accomplisments<
> ROFLMAO ......
> Oh Geez ... you are funny.
> Hmmmm ... just in case you are trying to be serious.
> You say I show false patriotism. Really?