Fort Hood shooters were Muslims (surprise!)
Dänk 1010011010
in the shooting of 19+ people at Fort Hood in Texas were Muslims.
Whether they were born Muslim or recently converted is still unknown,
but they were definitely izlamoids.
Izlam is like a virus and should be treated as such. As we have seen,
the Cult transcends ethnicity, and even the most average middle-class
Americans can be brainwashed and turned into jihad zombies.
Strabo
In America I think Islam appeals to the disenchanted and alienated. In
other words, it's a vehicle for anti-American behavior.
I said two things ten years ago: Islam is incompatible with American
culture, values and traditions and screwing around with the Arabs would
invite wholesale revenge.
Muslims should not be in political office or in the military.
I recall that one of the first frags in the Gulf War was a black
Muslim.
hal
yea, Christianity too.
Nicholas
Radical Extremists are to be found in most cultures. They're the
dangerous one's because they rather DIE for *the cause* than LIVE for
the cause.
Any time you hear somebody mention *martyr* in their diatribe, red
flags need to go up, quickly. (and guns at the ready)
SHAHEED
does that word mean anything to you? These are people that live to
die. As Curly would say: crazy motherfuckers.
Nick
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
Here come the haters, right on cue...
staten
wrote:
Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range by a
Muslim. Who are haters here?
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
You are, bubbles. You've jumped to conclusions based on the name of one
of the shooters.
kangarooistan
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 11 people before being shot dead
at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans
in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said
last night.
By Philip Sherwell in New York
Published: 1:41AM GMT 06 Nov 2009
Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military
base in Texas, described angry confrontations between Maj Hasan and
other officers after he expressed his views.
Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the
end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and
insults because of his Arab background and his faith.
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The major was a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning
from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse
problems.
"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and
claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col
Lee told Fox News.
"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we
should not be in the war in the first place."
He said he was aware that the major had been subject to "name calling"
during heated arguments with other officers.
Maj Hasan's cousin Nader Husan said he was happy working for the
military but did dread deployment to Iraq.
Mr Hasan said his cousin was a US-born Muslim who had joined the
military after high school.
He had served as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical
Center in Washington DC, which treats many badly wounded troops.
"He was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed dealing with the people coming
back and ... trying to help them with their trauma," he said.
He said his cousin had been transferred to Fort Hood in April months
ago and was very reluctant to be deployed to Iraq. "We've known over
the last five years that was probably his worst nightmare," he said.
Published: November 5, 2009
Updated: 23 min. ago
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seriously, and the Air Force is committed to protecting all service
members, their families, civilian employees and anyone else that works
or visits MacDill AFB," Col. Larry Martin, 6th Air Mobility Wing
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Fort Hood shootings not first brush with tragedy
05:20 PM CST on Thursday, November 5, 2009
From staff reports
Killeen was the site of one of the nation's most deadly mass shootings
on Oct. 16, 1991. On that day, George Hennard, 35, slammed his truck
through the front window of a Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen.
Yelling, "This is what Bell County did to me," he got out of his truck
and began shooting diners. Within 10 minutes, he had killed 23 people
and wounded more than 20 before committing suicide.
12 dead as soldier opens fire at Fort Hood Army base
Google map: Area where shootings reportedly occurred
Obama laments 'horrific outburst of violence'
Link: Fort Hood facts
Witnesses said the killer strolled through the cafeteria, randomly
selecting victims.
No motive was ever established.
Reportedly a racist and a misogynist, he wrote to a friend in early
1991: "Please give me the satisfaction of one day laughing in the face
of all those mostly white treacherous female vipers." After graduating
from high school, he joined the Navy, then later transferred to the
Merchant Marine,
Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001)
was a United States Army veteran and security guard who was convicted
of bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19,
1995, the second anniversary of the Waco Siege, as revenge or to
inspire a revolt against what he considered a tyrannical federal
government.
The bombing killed 168 people and was the deadliest act of terrorism
within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.[2]
Military career
In May 1988, McVeigh enlisted in the U.S. Army.[17] He had little
interest in the bar scene, preferring to use his spare time to read
about guns, sniper tactics, or explosives.[18] He once ordered a
"White Power" T-shirt from the KKK in protest against black servicemen
who wore "Black Power" T-shirts around his army camp [19], but was
reprimanded.
He was a decorated veteran of the United States Army, having served in
the Gulf War, where he was awarded a Bronze Star. He had been a top-
scoring gunner with the 25mm cannon of the Bradley Fighting Vehicles
used by the U.S. 1st Infantry Division to which he was assigned. He
served at Fort Riley, Kansas, before Operation Desert Storm. At Fort
Riley, McVeigh completed the Primary Leadership Development Course
(PLDC). McVeigh later would say that the Army taught him how to switch
off his emotions.[6] He had special lifesaving training and may have
saved the life of a comrade who had life-threatening shrapnel wounds.
[20]
McVeigh wanted to join the United States Army Special Forces. After
returning from the Gulf War, he entered the selection program for
United States Army Special Forces to become a SF soldier , but was
quickly dropped from the program after failing to meet the physical
fitness requirements. Shortly thereafter, McVeigh decided to leave the
Army. He was discharged on December 31, 1991.[21] McVeigh was given an
honorable discharge from the Army Reserve in May 1992.
He was convicted of 11 federal offenses, sentenced to death and
executed on June 11, 2001.
Escape_the_Cult_Now
other Obama Thugs decided Lou Dobbs wasn't enough - They are on TV often
declaring their wars and enemies.
Both Anita Dunn, Al Grayson, Valerie Jarrett and other Obama thugs have
declared war and have enemy lists of those they wish dead by inciting this
on TV. ALL Republicans, Conservatives, News Reporters they hate (they
started with Lou Dobb). People willing to fight for their country are
usually republicans. People willing to tear down the country are lefty
wimpy liars. If a soldier was involved he or she was only acting under
orders from Dunn Grayson, Jarrett and Pelosi, and Obama. None of which has
made an effort to our young soldiers begging for help in Afghanistan and who
CONTINUALLY appear on TV declaring to their base who THEIR ENEMIES ARE and
they DECLARED WAR on them.
Escape_the_Cult_Now
"5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com> wrote in message
news:uPudnenuPPdPGm7X...@posted.carinet...
YOU are the idiot in addition to being dead. The shooter was a life-long
Muslim.
Lib Loo
"Nicholas" <Lawrence...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:d4u6f5li1pihshvb5...@4ax.com...
She'd sleep with anyone.
Dänk 1010011010
wrote:
> "5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09" <d...@dead.com> wrote in messagenews:uPudnenuPPdPGm7X...@posted.carinet...
Before I had even learned the shooter's name, I had predicted he was a
Muslim, though I believed he was more likely to be a convert to Islam
- since previous attacks on U.S. army personnel have come from Muslim
converts.
My favorite detail is the fact that he was a psychiatrist, the same
person who would be psychoanalyzing soldiers to make sure they were
mentally hygienic enough to be trusted with deadly weapons. This
provides a nice little counterargument to gun control advocates who
argue that only the police and military should be allowed to possess
firearms, and who also advocate psychological testing as a condition
of receiving a gun license.
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
Prove it.
In the meantime, the press reports say he was born in Virginia.
Lib Loo
"kangarooistan" <kangaro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:37dbd096-885c-406c...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> Muslims should rise up'
> Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 11 people before being shot dead
Apparently he is still alive.
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
> Are you saying Strabo is wrong or just that you don't like him saying
> it?
I'm saying he's wrong.
knews4...@yahoo.com
Phlip
> Couple this with recent events in Afghanistan.
>
> Soldiers group with local recruits to train them. In the past two
> weeks one of these local trainees shot and killed his British Army
> trainers. Just a few days ago the same scenario played out against
> some Americans.
>
> The plan is obvious, keep the trainers afraid of the students to
> undermine the whole process. Now it looks like that same tactic is
> being exported to the states.
Yay! We invade their country, and they get even, and we accuse all
Muslims of plotting violence for no reason against us!
Too_Many_Tools
And the shooter was an American...and a soldier.
TMT
staten
Not just a soldier but a Muslim soldier what is equivalent to - enemy
Phlip
> And the shooter was an American...and a soldier.
That's what turns the racists on the most.
In the game D&D, a particularly loathsome monster, the Beholder, has
an arrogant attitude toward other Beholders. It can only love its own
reflection, and considers its own configuration to be the One True
Ideal for Beholderhood.
Fortunately for its prey species, Beholders come in a huge variety of
shapes, sizes, & patterns. Beholders will coldly & carefully plot war
against other groups who look very different, but they go into an
insane frenzy, and instantly fight recklessly, to the death, if they
meet a very similar Beholder with just one tiny difference, such as
one stripe too many...
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
I wonder how many harmless, patriotic American Moslems are at risk
tonight because of hate-mongering, cowardly little assholes like you.
elmer
little lite and friendship to people with no family etc.
those Christians that bend over bacwards to let you walk all over them
and America and forgive you.
The next time you feel put on by Christians let us know. That may chane
or is changin as everyone begins, finally, to recognize the scope of
threat Islam presents whether American of British or Taliban.
Too_Many_Tools
And as stated everywhere the shooters were American soldiers.
Why do you not state the obvious?
TMT
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
> hal wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:46:13 -0800 (PST),
>> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E4nk_1010011010?= <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As I predicted in another message just a few minutes ago, the suspects
>>> in the shooting of 19+ people at Fort Hood in Texas were Muslims.
>>>
>>> Whether they were born Muslim or recently converted is still unknown,
>>> but they were definitely izlamoids.
>>>
>>> Izlam is like a virus and should be treated as such. As we have seen,
>>> the Cult transcends ethnicity, and even the most average middle-class
>>> Americans can be brainwashed and turned into jihad zombies.
>>>
>>>
>> yea, Christianity too.
> Those evil Christians that go around to nursing homes etc and give a
> little lite and friendship to people with no family etc.
Do you know that Islam actually REQUIRES charity? Most variations on
Xianty only recommend it.
those
> Christians that bend over bacwards to let you walk all over them and
> America and forgive you.
Does this mean you're forgiving the shooter?
> The next time you feel put on by Christians let us know. That may chane
> or is changin as everyone begins, finally, to recognize the scope of
> threat Islam presents whether American of British or Taliban.
Wait a minute. Stop the presses. Islam is a threat to the Taliban?
Wow. I would never have guessed that in a million years!
elmer
I'd reup to get the ledgering of hanging a ham around his neck before
the noose.
In re Muslim terrorist way, first I would smear him with pig lard, make
hie eat pig entrails, cut of his manhood and feed it to him and then
hang him.
Bury him a pit where they throw away pig innards and excrement's
Then I would put a thick layer of salt over it and then aslab of
concrete, so his evil sould will never see 7 virgins.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Dänk 1010011010 <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Izlam is like a virus and should be treated as such. As we have seen,
>>the Cult transcends ethnicity, and even the most average middle-class
>>Americans can be brainwashed and turned into jihad zombies.
>
> The newest religion has always appealed to the poor and outcast. The
> establishment won't take it seriously but the poor grasp for the only
> hope they are offered. They can't bring rich offerings but they can
> bring fervent belief and there are so damn many poor to swell the ranks.
>
> Every major religion has gone through a similar state in it's history.
> Islam is where Christianity was 1,000 years ago and it was a pretty ugly
> religion then.
"Then"? Don't you consider a cult which gives their children to men in
dresses to butt-fuck ugly? Or a cult which "marries" 11-year old girls?
Or a cult that parties and drinks wine while a paid thugh hacks off the
end of their male-child's penis and gives it it's first blowjob?
Age doesn't make a religion pretty. Time just lets the cult dig it's
fangs deeper making the insanity appear normal.
> Islam is the stage where they are still the new kids on the block with
> fairly recent memories of being an oppressed and exploited minority, but
> they are big enough to be effective.
For the moment Islam is the crazy cousin amongst a family of
crazymotherfuckers.
> The only difference is that distance and hardships of travel mostly kept
> the factions apart back then and their weapons were a hell of a lot less
> effective when they did meet.
The only difference is a matter of degree. They're all
crazymotherfuckers.
--
Regards, Curly
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lo yeeOn
As they say, the rumor of his demise has been greatly exaggerated:)
But it's actually a better outcome than to have the guy killed and for
us know not the reason for his killing or whether he was acting out on
his impending deployment to Iraq which he has apparently resisted with
great efforts or as a part of a terrorist group.
Just a day agp, five UK soldiers in an Afghan military base was killed
in cold blood by an Afghan policeman they were training/mentoring.
It's just too much violence today. And America has a responsibility
to stop the endless bloodshed.
The killer with the UK situation is dead and the most plausible
explanation is the US occupation of Afghanistan with NATO countries
sacrificing their young men to help secure by force. Nobody should
think the people of the country we occupy by force at the cost of many
civilians killed are not grieved by our barbarous act. What happened
to the UK soldiers are tremendous losses to their loved ones back home
in England; but think at the same time how many Afghanis NATO planes
have bombed into smithereens and how chaotic the country has become.
In the Texas Fort Hood case, the following BBC report is telling us
something too - also entirely related to our foreign war enterprise:
Apparently, the guy has been working as a military psychiatrist at
Walter Reeds. And lately he's due to be sent to Iraq. He resents
his impending deployment so much that he's hired a military lawyer to
help him get out of his contract with the military. He even proposes
to pay the government back what it has paid him.
I can imagine that having seen all those who have been crippled by
their services in Iraq and Afghanistan has had a profound effect on
his pysche about going to Iraq, a country torn apart and devastated by
our bombs and missiles wrapped in big government lies.
I remember Columbine which took place near the end of Bill Clinton's
savage bombing of Yugoslavia to break it up. And I thought to myself
Uncle Sam is setting up a very bad cycle of karma/example for everyone
including kids. Things of this nature simply gotten worse.
In the case of the UK soldiers murdered by the Afghan whom they
mentored/trained to become a tough policeman on his own countrymen
wouldn't have to die if the UK hadn't committed them to their task.
In the case of the Fort Hood murder by a soldier of our own who is
fighting his Iraq deployment could have been avoided had he not be
forced to serve.
And the Columbine school massacre could likely have been avoided, had
children been shown the example of peace instead of war.
In all cases, the bloodshed, the tragedy could have been avoided.
And the government has a duty to pursue peace and avoid forcing its
will down people's throats.
But instead, it continues to use lie to sustain its hegemonic endeavor
to dominate the world and call it self-defense. Even as the majority
of the people in the US and that in the UK are opposed to these wars.
People were so tired of these wars and their rulers got so unpopular
that new rulers come in promising change. Like Obama, he was elected
largely because he was running on the credential that he had been
consistently opposed to the Iraq war.
But once he went to the White House. He kept the same "Defense"
secretary who had been presiding over the two wars and continued to
pursue the policy of militarily occupying both Afghanistan and Iraq,
even at the cost of an expanded military involvement and even as he
was borrowing over a trillion from the future and took the blame of
being a big spender. But the biggest expenditure goes to financing
the Iraqi and Afghan occupations.
Yet people continue to be tired of these wars. But Obama and Gordon
Brown in the UK have both been compromised by their job description,
head of a government which is committed to preserve continuity of its
policy, irrespective of the people who administer it.
Continuity of the government and continuity of its policies. It's a
fundamental dogma for all politicians who want to remain within the
establishment strucutre, in D.C. and in London, respectively.
Too bad for democracy. It doesn't matter what the voters have to say
at the polls. Government policy shall continue.
So the governments continue to say that if we don't keep fighting to
keep Iraq and Afghanistan occpuied, we'd have another 9/11. And this
is so even if 9/11 was an immoral act allowed to happen by hawks in
D.C. who wanted to rile up the American people to support a series of
wars planned by the PNAC authors/proponents/supporters.
So, Obama by becoming President of the US accepts the government dogma
and is duty-bound to uphold the war banners in Iraq and Afghanistan,
and even Pakistan and Iran to make sure that we may be bankrupting
ourselves, but we have to keep fighting and killing people and have
our soldiers killed. And they have to go even if they don't want to
go, despite the facade that we have a voluntary army.
This is how sad America has become. We're obliged to ride the beast
the warriors inside our government have created and to keep riding it
and can't get off. Causality or karma, anyway you want to call it,
the blood we've spilled in Iraq and Afghanistan continues to haunt us.
They say: "Oh, very tragic of course, but for any number of reasons,
we have to keep occupying those countries . . . and intimidate you
with personal attacks like "Why . . . are you ignorant, a coward, a
Taliban supporter, or a traitor?" if you try to point the causality.
So, we say we have democracy in the US and the UK. Yet, our elections
mean nothing. And voters' desires are consistently ignored. And they
even go so far as to stifle free speech by calling you a traitor when
you are saying that the wars are hurting not only others but us alos.
Such is the "democracy" we have today, no doubt a far cry from what
Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and others envisioned a couople
of hundred years ago.
And as for the line that these wars are needed for domestic security,
Colonel Matthew Hoh has spoken eloquently that it is a big lie.
"I fail to see the value or worth in continued US casualties... in
support of the Afghan government in what is, truly, a 35-year-old
civil war
"Like the Soviets we continue to bolster a failing state, while
encouraging an ideology and system of government unknown and unwanted
by its people
"If the history of Afghanistan is one great stage play, the United
States is no more than a supporting actor, among several previously,
in a tragedy that... has violently and savagely pitted the urban,
secular, educated and modern of Afghanistan against the rural,
religious, illiterate and traditional.
lo yeeOn
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8345713.stm
BBC report: Page last updated at 03:59 GMT, Friday, 6 November 2009
A US army major has opened fire on fellow soldiers at the Fort Hood
military base in Texas, killing 12 people and injuring 31, officials
say.
Base commander Lt Gen Bob Cone said that the gunman had not been
killed, as earlier stated, but was in custody.
Two other suspects were questioned, but the army now says only one
gunman was involved in the incident.
Lt Gen Cone said the motive for the shooting was not known. One of the
dead was a policeman, others were soldiers.
President Barack Obama described it as "a horrific outburst of
violence".
Speaking at a press conference in Washington, he said: "It is
difficult enough when we lose these brave men and women abroad, but it
is horrifying that they should come under fire at an army base on US
soil."
He extended his condolences to the families of the victims, adding:
"We will make sure that we get answers to every single question about
this horrible incident."
'Racial harassment'
Eleven victims were initially reported dead, but one of the injured
died, bringing the death toll to 12.
Barack Obama: 'A horrific outburst of violence'
The gunman has been named as Major Nidal Malik Hasan. He is now said
to be wounded after being shot a number of times, but in a stable
condition in custody.
"His death is not imminent," said Lt Gen Cone.
Maj Hasan, aged 39, was a military psychiatrist and was reportedly due
to be sent on a mission to Iraq.
His cousin said Maj Hasan - a US-born Muslim - had been resisting such
a deployment.
"He hired a military attorney to try to have the issue resolved, pay
back the government, to get out of the military. He was at the end of
trying everything," Nader Hasan told Fox News.
He also said that Nidal Malik Hasan had been battling racial
harassment because of his "Middle Eastern ethnicity".
Prior to Fort Hood, Maj Hasan served as a psychiatrist at the Walter
Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, which treats wounded troops
from combat zones.
Witness' account
The shooting had begun at about 1330 (1930 GMT) on Thursday at a
personnel and medical centre at Fort Hood, where soldiers who are
preparing to deploy go for last-minute medical check-ups, Lt Gen Cone
said.
He said the gunman had two weapons, one semi-automatic, which "might
explain the rate of fire".
Asked whether the shootings were a terrorist act, Lt Gen Cone said: "I
couldn't rule that out but I'm telling you that right now, the
evidence does not suggest that."
Two more suspects were apprehended in an adjacent facility, he said,
but eyewitness accounts suggesting there might have been more than one
gunman were later discounted.
A serviceman stationed at Fort Hood who asked to remain anonymous told
the BBC: "I heard the emergency announcement over the speakers outside
and saw people rushing to get indoors."
Local congressman John Carter, speaking to NBC News, said gunfire had
erupted half an hour before a graduation ceremony was due to begin.
'Like a city'
Fort Hood, near the town of Killeen, is the largest US base in the
world.
Home to about 40,000 US troops, the base lies between Austin and Waco,
about 60 miles (100 km) from each city.
The BBC's Adam Brookes in Washington says units at Fort Hood are among
those deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and some will have returned
from there.
The base has a centre that deals with combat stress, our correspondent
adds.
Hilary Shine, of the Killeen Fire Department told the BBC's News
Channel Fort Hood was like a small city.
"It has schools, a hospital, a convenience store even. And it has a
large daytime population - including civilians working on the base -
with as many as 80,000 in this area during the daytime."
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About the futility of the Afghan war (from a high-level State
Department appointee in the occupation of Afghanistan):
>That is nothing but Marxist rhetoric and nonsense.
If so, I wonder how you would characterize Matthew Hoh's high-profile
protest resignation from his Afghan assignment. The truth is that
both Hoh and I share much of our assessment about the deceit behind
our military occupation and fighting in Afghanistan. But that truth
is apparently too hard for you to take and so you label it Marxist
without citing evidence, as if the smearing would change the truth.
>The truth is simple. As you sow so shall you reap.
Ah yes, are you talking about our bleeding in Afghanistan and Iraq as
a consequence of the violence and destruction we've committed there
against their peoples?
>Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be
>maintained by violence. Any man who has once proclaimed violence as
>his method is inevitably forced to take the lie as his principle. -
>Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
This sounds like George W Bush's wars on terror in Afghanistan and
Iraq, doesn't it?
Yesterday, within 12 hours of my writing the follow-up to this
article, it was all over the news that a high level diplomat in
Afghanistan, Matthew Hoh, had resigned from his job in protestation
against the war in Afghanistan.
His carefully drafted letter of resignation was said to have sent
shock waves around the world, particularly in political circles here
in the US and in Europe where the war hawks have been busy selling the
idea of substantially boosting NATO troop level in Afghanistan.
All the politicians in Western Europe have been saying how important
it is to sacrifice more young men for the security of the member
nations of NATO. Mr. Hoh begged to differ. In other words, the
politicians who have been selling the war have been lying.
According to the UK Independent:
Mr Hoh wrote,
The US involvement was simply fuelling the insurgency, and was
causing American servicemen to die "in what is essentially a
far-off civil war", or more accurately a number of small local
wars in which the sides are united only in their resentment of a
foreign intruder.
[Hoh's] problem was not _how_ Washington was pursuing the war - the
issue Mr Obama is grappling with in round after round of
consultations with his top national security and military advisers -
"but _why_ and _to what end_" his country was fighting it in the
first place.
(The emphases on "how", "why", and "to what end" are mine.)
So, it is clear to me that Hoh was letting the air out of the balloon,
so to speak, about the Bush-Cheney war in Afghanistan as a war to
fight terrorism or to protect the domestic security of the U.S.
This revelation simply reinforces the suspicion of many that the war
on terror is not what our rulers have been telling us to be. They are
fighting the Taliban just so as to keep Afghanistan under our control,
but for what at this huge cost? Since every time Dick Cheney or some
important US senators visited Afghanistan in the past 8 years, they
went to Bagram more than they cared to visit Kabul.
And since Bagram has been idle in the fighting of the Taliban, leaving
the US and other NATO member nations to send foot soldiers to defend
the supply routes into Afghanistan, at the cost of many fatalities and
failure of delivery of supplies, one cannot but suspect that Bagram is
really the thing US and NATO soldiers are dying for.
For Obama to adopt George Bush's and Dick Cheney's orphan and be seen
as his own baby is foolhardy because as Hoh pointed out, the Afghans
have been fighting a civil war with all kinds of foreigners for some
35 years now.
"I fail to see the value or worth in continued US casualties... in
support of the Afghan government in what is, truly, a 35-year-old
civil war
"Like the Soviets we continue to bolster a failing state, while
encouraging an ideology and system of government unknown and unwanted
by its people
"If the history of Afghanistan is one great stage play, the United
States is no more than a supporting actor, among several previously,
in a tragedy that... has violently and savagely pitted the urban,
secular, educated and modern of Afghanistan against the rural,
religious, illiterate and traditional.
So, it is our government and its allies which have been telling a
massive lie about why we're fighting these open-ended wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan. (The world already knew George Bush's public reason for
going to war against Iraq was a massive lie. And now it emerges also
that the war in Afghanistan is equally a lie.)
The USSR's 10 years of military involvment in Afghanistan failed. And
then Bush and Cheney spent nearly their two full terms doing the same
and failed. Why should Mr. Obama think that he could do better,
particularly when Bagram is not even doing the fighting? Why does
Mr. Obama want to adopt the Bush-Cheney orphan and be seen as his own
failure, his own albatross, when he could help America solve its more
urgent domestic problems and the global problem of climate change, by
first breaking clean from our wayward past and bringing America home?
lo yeeOn
========
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Subject: 5 UK soldiers shot dead by a "rogue" Afghan policeman
BBC report (excerpt)
last updated at 08:43 GMT, Wednesday, 4 November 2009:
Five British soldiers have been shot dead in Helmand Province, in an
attack the UK military says was carried out by a "rogue" Afghan
policeman.
It is the highest number of UK soldiers killed in a single incident of
"combat" since the US-led invasion of 2001.
An investigation into the attack is under way. The soldiers' next of
kin have been informed of the deaths.
BBC Kabul correspondent Ian Pannell said sources indicated the
attacker was a police officer called Gulbuddin who had fled the scene
after the shooting. It appears he could have been involved in a
dispute with his commander, but tribal sources have pointed to a link
with the Taliban.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the latest deaths were a "terrible
loss".
"They fought to make Afghanistan more secure, but above all to make
Britain safer from the terrorism and extremism which continues to
threaten us from the border areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
My online Oxford says: Rogue: a dishonest or unprincipled man
I wonder whether Gordon Brown or the Afghan policemen who killed the
UK soldiers whom Gordon Brown sent there to die, in the name of making
England safe, is more a rogue person.
There is absolutely no justification for the US or UK or any other
country to have troops in Afghanistan except Afghanistan itself.
lo yeeOn
========
orion314
> As I predicted in another message just a few minutes ago, the suspects
> in the shooting of 19+ people at Fort Hood in Texas were Muslims.
>
> Whether they were born Muslim or recently converted is still unknown,
> but they were definitely izlamoids.
>
> the Cult transcends ethnicity, and even the most average middle-class
> Americans
Yet another fine example of "Islam is a peaceful religion" It is time
for people
to grow up and stop believing in fairy tales. RELIGION IS NOTHING BUT
A MENTAL DISORDER. When there are about 3 muslim believers left in
the world, then, maybe, they will truly become peaceful. Until then,
its just an excuse to practice hate.
This diaperhead shooter sounds like a MK-ULTRA test gone bad. Notice
how the base General deflected the idea of it being a cell operation,
the armys worst nightmare....
orion
.
Curly Surmudgeon
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
Another Good Christian...
Curly Surmudgeon
> It is time for people to grow up and stop believing in fairy tales.
> RELIGION IS NOTHING BUT A MENTAL DISORDER.
True but more of a meme or self-delusion than a clinical condition. It
is entirely voluntary, addictive, suppresses higher thought, logic,
rationality, exclusive, divisive and invariably cruel.
The problem arises in a free society, people have an inalienable right to
be crazymotherfuckers. There is no way to legislate or mandate thought
in a free society and have but two choices, lose our liberty or put up
with crazymotherfuckers.
We can, as a nation, combat the meme of crazymotherfuckers but it will be
a hard slog. America is still full of neo-Puritans wishing to enslave us
to their superstition. From pastors, rabbi's, ministers, fathers, imans
in the military to an un-Constitutional tax exemption for church property
to the current health bill which now includes "spiritual counseling"
these crazymotherfuckers attempt to shove their insanity down our
collective throats. Just say "NO"!
Instead of reacting when one of their wackos goes postal recognize that
religion is a constant threat to liberty, freedom and peace. Do not
relent in the battle against their superstition and encroachment of our
liberties for the crazymotherfuckers work at enslaving us at all times.
Speak out forcefully when the insane pretend to speak for some god or
other. Put them back in their respective boxes, protest their abuse of
the public common and good, halt the use of tax money to subsidize any
brand of insanity.
But do not attempt to revoke their rights for that inevitably boomerangs
with the same tools being used against everyone. Religion is, as you a
mental disorder, and the infected must be treated as such. Not treated
as though they are sane or rational.
Yes, Moslems are crazymotherfuckers. So are Christians, Jews,
Zoroastrians, believers in Zeus, Thor, Shinto. Remain alert and active
when the fundamentalists bang on your door Saturday morning. Tell them
unequivocably that they are crazymotherfuckers. Shame them, ridicule
them for what they are but do not abridge their Constitutional rights.
Do not get bogged down in the mud with pigs, take the high road. This
event was not one single Moslem but a typical representative of the
larger class of crazymotherfuckers who flipped. Religionists snap often
snap from the constant denial they've created in their reality bubble.
Religionists are not sane, do not expect rational behavior. Be aware
that they do weird shit at inopportune times. It should be no surprise
when the pressure of war causes many to go psycho. That is predictable,
which crazymotherfucker flips and when is impossible to predict.
Rail against the greater problem. That is insanity portrayed as sane.
Religionists are not sane, they're crazymotherfuckers.
Phlip
> Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range by a
> Muslim. Who are haters here?
Whenever a Christian does it, y'all blame anything except his
religion...
hal
Just look what George Bush did to Iraq, and he considers himself a
good Christian.
hal
<de...@dead.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:48:01 -0500, elmer wrote:
>
>> hal wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:46:13 -0800 (PST),
>>> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E4nk_1010011010?= <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I predicted in another message just a few minutes ago, the suspects
>>>> in the shooting of 19+ people at Fort Hood in Texas were Muslims.
>>>>
>>>> Whether they were born Muslim or recently converted is still unknown,
>>>> but they were definitely izlamoids.
>>>>
>>>> Izlam is like a virus and should be treated as such. As we have seen,
>>>> the Cult transcends ethnicity, and even the most average middle-class
>>>> Americans can be brainwashed and turned into jihad zombies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> yea, Christianity too.
>> Those evil Christians that go around to nursing homes etc and give a
>> little lite and friendship to people with no family etc.
>
>Do you know that Islam actually REQUIRES charity? Most variations on
>Xianty only recommend it.
charity in Christianity is totally self serving. It is used for
evangelizing. It is an excuse to try to convert people.
Observer
If something is OBVIOUS then does it need to be stated?
__
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
staten
wrote:
Harmless"? "Patriotic"? Where are they? Why are they hiding like
cockroaches from light? Name at least one who would step forward and
condemn Islam that inspires to commit these heinous crimes against
infidels.
staten
wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:48:01 -0500, elmer wrote:
> > hal wrote:
> >> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:46:13 -0800 (PST),
> >> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E4nk_1010011010?= <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> As I predicted in another message just a few minutes ago, the suspects
> >>> in the shooting of 19+ people at Fort Hood in Texas were Muslims.
>
> >>> Whether they were born Muslim or recently converted is still unknown,
> >>> but they were definitely izlamoids.
>
> >>> Izlam is like a virus and should be treated as such. As we have seen,
> >>> the Cult transcends ethnicity, and even the most average middle-class
> >>> Americans can be brainwashed and turned into jihad zombies.
>
> >> yea, Christianity too.
> > Those evil Christians that go around to nursing homes etc and give a
> > little lite and friendship to people with no family etc.
>Do you know that Islam actually REQUIRES charity? Most variations on
>Xianty only recommend it.
Do you know that Islam requires to kill all unbelievers "wherever ye
find them " (Quran 9:5)? Who the fuck cares about charity after
murdering recipients of the charity ?
> >Christians that bend over bacwards to let you walk all over them and
> >America and forgive you.
>Does this mean you're forgiving the shooter?
Just for giving you another chance for another mass murder?
Phlip
> Do you know that Islam requires to kill all unbelievers "wherever ye
> find them " (Quran 9:5)? Who the fuck cares about charity after
> murdering recipients of the charity ?
Numbers thru Deuteronomy are all about killing every infidel - and plenty of
Israelites, too! Moses says to kill the infidels wherever you find them. Oh, and
~32 virgin girls get sacrificed to the Lord, too!
But something tells me you are not Xtian enough to give a crap.
staten
> staten wrote:
> > Do you know that Islam requires to kill all unbelievers "wherever ye
> > find them " (Quran 9:5)? Who the fuck cares about charity after
> > murdering recipients of the charity ?
>
> Numbers thru Deuteronomy are all about killing every infidel - and plenty of
> Israelites, too! Moses says to kill the infidels wherever you find them. Oh, and
> ~32 virgin girls get sacrificed to the Lord, too!
Yes, it is about killing but not all infidels , as you speculate, but
just certain tribes that in God's eyes deserved to be punished. This
was a specific command, given at a specific time to the specific
tribe concerning a discrete target. Those are obviously historical
passages, and they no more inspire violence than reading an account
of the Japanese attack on the people of Nanjing in 1937.
By contrast, when you read the word of Allah in Sura 8:12: “I will
instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above
their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” , there is no
historical context whatsoever. This means that murdering all infidels
who refuse Islamic faith is as valid today as it was in 6th
century .That's why This is why Christians and Jews do not treat these
verses as present-day imperatives and they are not losing their
heads to fanatics screaming praises to Jesus (or Moses, or Buddha or
to the numerous Hindu gods ) and do not go on murderous sprees
killing innocent people in the name of their religions.
But the Muslims do exactly what the Quran dictates and that's why
there are so many Mujslim terrorists in this world and it's getting
not better but worse from year toyear.
>But something tells me you are not Xtian enough to give a crap.
Something tells me that you have no clue what you are bubbling about,
jihadi apologist.
Phlip
> On Nov 6, 5:03 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> staten wrote:
>>> Do you know that Islam requires to kill all unbelievers "wherever ye
>>> find them " (Quran 9:5)? Who the fuck cares about charity after
>>> murdering recipients of the charity ?
>> Numbers thru Deuteronomy are all about killing every infidel - and plenty of
>> Israelites, too! Moses says to kill the infidels wherever you find them. Oh, and
>> ~32 virgin girls get sacrificed to the Lord, too!
>
> Yes, it is about killing but not all infidels , as you speculate, but
> just certain tribes that in God's eyes deserved to be punished.
Nice try. Firstly, most of those tribes never explicitly did anything to the
Israelites. Next, the Lord repeatedly said to croak them, which means you can't
play the "man-on-man violence". Next, the tribe that bought it worst was the
Middianites - whence came Moses' mysteriously vanished wife.
And, on the banks of the River Jordan, before Israel crossed into the Promised
Land (filled, natch, with usurping Palestinians), Moses tells his people to kill
the infidel wherever you find them, even if they are your wife.
Oh, and guess what happen to the virgin Middianite girls who _weren't_ sacrificed...
staten
This is not about Israelites and not about "doing something to them",
you idiot. Don't try to update the Old Testament to your stupid fairy
tales about "palestinians" who were invented in 1970s..
It was a command of God to destroy the pagan and sinful tribes who
fell in a total disgrace in His eyes.
“But of the cities of these peoples which Yahweh your God gives you
as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive,
but you shall utterly destroy them — the Hittite, Amorite, Canaanite,
Perizzite, Hivite, and Jebusite — just as Yahweh your God has
commanded you, lest they teach you to do according to all their
abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against
Yahweh your God “(Deuteronomy 20: 16-18).
Yahweh clearly ordered the Hebrews to annihilate the Canaanites and
surrounding peoples. Such violence is therefore an expression of God’s
will, for good or ill. Regardless, all the historic violence committed
by the Hebrews and recorded in the Old Testament is just that —
history. It happened; God commanded it, whether you like it or hate
it. When Hebrews sinned against God they were punished as well. This
is a nature of God – God hates sin and punishes those who trespass His
divine laws. This is the key point of the OT – the relationship of
God and people , not your idiotic attempt to tie the Palestinian and
Jewish conflict to the OT. It is terribly stupid and wrong!
knews4...@yahoo.com
> The Bible: Slavery Good, Gays Bad, Snakes Talk
"Terminal madness of the endtimes"
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS345&q=%22terminal+madness+of+the+endtimes%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
kangarooistan
I dont TRUST anything the yanks say, especially when at war or in a
military incident
MATE we can all READ, we KNOW they wont tell the TRUTH for years and
YEARS
clearly this is another CIA and mossad attempt to SLOW the numbers of
USA soldiers converting to ISLAM
Muslims only need go underground and DONT TELL THEM they are Muslim
when joining the Military like they always used too
WHY tell anybody you are a Muslim , that way its easy to see who the
REAL terrorists are when you see what western soldiers really do to
Muslims its EASY to tell who the REAL terrorists are and gather the
evidence for when the war crimes trials start
GO UNDERGROUND , gather EVIDENCE , time will come when we can arrest
the REAL terrorists
kanga
=====
Like when the Aussie soldiers under ORDERS from John Monash attacked
the picnic train in Broken Hill in 1915
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Broken_Hill
Some STILL blame a couple of old muslims to HIDE the fact that it was
gun happy Australian soldiers and/or a black flag recruiting
propaganda exercise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_MonashMonash recruited tens of
thousands of DUMB aussies from his propaganda attack
Tens of THOUSANDS of DUMB aussies volunteered to DIE for a lie
60,000 DUMB aussies happily DIED for this broken hill LIE, who knows
how many DUMB yanks will happily die for this round of propaganda from
fort Hood
we wont know what really happened at fort Hood for many decades when
the FACTS are declassified
the TRUTH will be manipulated to make Muslims look bad and make
soldiers look good , thats ALWAYS what happens in wars
Spin doctors wont let the TRUTH come out for decades , but the truth
can be FOUND by those who care to look ,the mainstream media ALWAYS
carry the PROPAGANDA and as you say , they ALWAYS get it WRONG, we can
all read history mate , they NEVER EVER tell the truth when at WAR
Like My Lai massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
The military NEVER tell the TRUTH for decades
Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of bringing people (shitskin dunecoons) under subjection - Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ..., Korea., Germany, RSA, USA., Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems
shitskin moslem -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/06/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-alive
HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your
mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the
time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities
at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to
a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an
indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, Hijack a plane,
Hijack a ship, ............ Practice all those and you too could
become a prophet !!
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Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
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furti...@gmail.com
niy...@msn.com
mehya...@hotmail.com
niy...@hotmail.com
Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au
Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad
** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan **
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Fastlink, Jordan
‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah
were child molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
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Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ab8hlafT770nZGR6cHZqOThfMHhwY2szYmc0&hl=en
helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
kaled...@gmail.com
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
mehya...@hotmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad
** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan **
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Fastlink, Jordan
Wassim Noujeim (shitskin moslem Faris Jawad) left Canada to attend a
terrorist training camp in Jordan, and he spent his last nigh in Canda
at this hotel : MONTREAL-AIRPORT,,6500 COTE DE LIESSE,MONTREAL, QC
H4T1E3 CANADA,Hotel Front Desk: 1-514-7393391 :::: Shitskin moslem,
Wassim Noujeim, abusing this service :- Canada, Saint-laurent, QC
h4t1e3, Cote De Liesse Hotels, Bell Canada ---
Wassim Noujeim. 8110 Pesant Saint-Leonard, QC H1R 2Y2 Canada.
Phone: +1 514 728 0550 mailto: nou...@yahoo.com -
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mehya...@hotmail.com
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Australia, +61 8 8391 1292
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Hamzeh Abu-Abed
helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
mehya...@hotmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au
Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad
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Dan
They were killed to make room for the Israelites, and to keep enemies
off the flanks and read during wars of conquest.
The Israelite god (just one of many gods in the bible, actually) is a
pretty blood-thirsty character, and has gotten a lot of airplay over the
centuries for a small-time local deity in a remote corner of the world.
If you look closely, most evangelical (radical, extremist,
fundamentalist) xtians are really NOT christians: they almost
exclusively use the Old Book for their political guide, and fail to ever
actually refer to the New Book for anything but their armageddon fantasy.
Dan
Dan
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:07:07 -0800, orion314 <ma...@curio.com> wrote:
>
>> It is time for people to grow up and stop believing in fairy tales.
>> RELIGION IS NOTHING BUT A MENTAL DISORDER.
>
> True but more of a meme or self-delusion than a clinical condition.
In this individual's case, it appears to be a true mental disorder:
listening to PTSD front-line soldiers' experiences (very graphic) for
several years, then being posted off to the grid-forsaken heckhole they
returned from... I'll bet he thought he was doing those poor bastards a
favor.
Dan
Dan
Bingo!
Dan
Steve
Bullshit! The guy is a Muslum terrorist.
--
Contrary to what liberals are whining, nobody
owes you anything.
staten
Christians do not highjack passenger jets , don't crash them against
tall buildings, don't behead people like chicken and don't mass
murder others just because they are not Christians.
Bingo annulled
Gandalf Grey
"staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:4612909e-3930-4623...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 8:07 pm, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Phlip wrote:
> > On Nov 5, 6:08 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> >> Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range by a
> >> Muslim. Who are haters here?
>
> > Whenever a Christian does it, y'all blame anything except his
> > religion...
>
> Bingo!
^ Christians do not highjack passenger jets , don't crash them against
tall buildings,
No. They just load up vans and pickups with explosives and blow up the
entire building or crash their pickups into buildings and jump out and shoot
people dead or murder doctors for not holding with the 'Christian' viewpoint
they say they represent.
Stop the fucking lying, asshole.
staten
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
Where is your proof that Christians blow up buildings, skuzzbag? And
how many doctors were killed by Christians in comparison with
brutality , sheer numbers and fanatism committed by Muslims? If you
see no difference between these two things , then you are a retarded
cretin, plain and simple.
Gandalf Grey
On Nov 6, 8:30 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4612909e-3930-4623...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 6, 8:07 pm, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Phlip wrote:
> > > On Nov 5, 6:08 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range by a
> > >> Muslim. Who are haters here?
>
> > > Whenever a Christian does it, y'all blame anything except his
> > > religion...
>
> > Bingo!
>
> ^ Christians do not highjack passenger jets , don't crash them against
> tall buildings,
>
> No. They just load up vans and pickups with explosives and blow up the
> entire building or crash their pickups into buildings and jump out and
> shoot
> people dead or murder doctors for not holding with the 'Christian'
> viewpoint
> they say they represent.
>
> Stop the fucking lying, asshole.
^ Where is your proof that Christians blow up buildings, skuzzbag?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army
of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across
the United States.[44][45][46] A number of terrorist attacks, including the
Centennial Olympic Park bombing during the 1996 Summer Olympics, were
accused of being carried out by individuals and groups with ties to the
Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements; including the Lambs of
Christ.[47]:105-120 A group called Concerned Christians were deported from
Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end
of 1999, believing that their deaths would "lead them to heaven."[48][49]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence_in_the_United_States#United_States
In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least
nine people, including five doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard,
and a clinic escort.[5]
a.. March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot
during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters
distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin
was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
b.. July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort,
were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul
Jennings Hill was charged with the killings, received a death sentence, and
was executed September 3, 2003.
c.. December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann
Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John
Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life
International,[6] was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in
prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag
tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in
Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
d.. January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who
worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was
killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also
responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with
the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
e.. October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in
Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against
providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely
committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after
finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
f.. May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an
usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.[7]
g.. Another doctor, George Patterson, was shot and killed in Mobile,
Alabama on August 21, 1993, but it is uncertain whether his death was the
direct result of his profession or rather a robbery.[8] [9]
^ And
how many doctors were killed by Christians in comparison with
brutality , sheer numbers and fanatism committed by Muslims?
Now you're into numbers? So basically we now know you're a whore and we're
just haggling over the price.
^ If you
see no difference between these two things
I see no difference because there IS no difference. You Christofascists are
just as insane as any muslim terrorist out there and just as dangerous.
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
> On Nov 6, 8:30 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4612909e-3930-4623-
a966-53c...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 6, 8:07 pm, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Phlip wrote:
>> > > On Nov 5, 6:08 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >> Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range
>> > >> by a Muslim. Who are haters here?
>>
>> > > Whenever a Christian does it, y'all blame anything except his
>> > > religion...
>>
>> > Bingo!
>>
>> ^ Christians do not highjack passenger jets , don't crash them against
>> tall buildings,
>>
>> No. They just load up vans and pickups with explosives and blow up the
>> entire building or crash their pickups into buildings and jump out and
>> shoot people dead or murder doctors for not holding with the
>> 'Christian' viewpoint they say they represent.
>>
>> Stop the fucking lying, asshole.
>
> Where is your proof that Christians blow up buildings, skuzzbag? And
> how many doctors were killed by Christians in comparison with brutality
> , sheer numbers and fanatism committed by Muslims? If you see no
> difference between these two things , then you are a retarded cretin,
> plain and simple.
Oh, you loudly applaud the murder of Moslem doctors, men, women and
children by good Christian Americans when you can do it in a nation you
invaded for now reason and can package it as something pretty, like
"shock and awe".
Stormin Mormon
there was an extermination order against the Mormons in
Missouri. And the mobs driving Mormons out of Palmyra NY,
Harmony Pa, Kirtland OH, Nauvoo IL, Far West Mo, and a few
other towns. But that was a while ago. And, isn't common
now a days.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Kurt Nicklas
Prove any of that has to do with Christianity, Ricky.
Can you do that?
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
Really. Can you say "shock and awe", little boy?
>
> Bingo annulled
Gandalf Grey
"Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC 27244-9372"
<nick...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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^ Prove any of that has to do with Christianity,
What's the problem, Kurtis? Problems with the truth? You haven't changed
much. You always were a liar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Christian terrorism is religious terrorism by groups or individuals, the
motivation of which is typically rooted in an idiosyncratic interpretation
of the Bible and other Christian tenets of faith. From the viewpoint of the
terrorist, Christian scripture and theology provide justification for
violent political activities.[1]
[edit] History
Ian Gilmour has cited the historical case of the St. Bartholomew's Day
massacre as an instance of papal terrorism on par with modern day terrorism,
and goes on to write, "That massacre, said Pope Gregory XIII, gave him more
pleasure than fifty Battles of Lepanto, and he commissioned Vasari to paint
frescoes of it in the Vatican".[2] It is estimated that ten thousand to
possibly one-hundred thousand Huguenots (French Protestants) were killed by
Catholic mobs, and it has been called "the worst of the century's religious
massacres".[3] The massacre led to the start of the fourth war of the French
Wars of Religion. Peter Steinfels has cited the historical case of the
Gunpowder Plot, when Guy Fawkes and other Catholic revolutionaries attempted
to overthrow the Protestant aristocracy of England by blowing up the Houses
of Parliament, as a notable case of Christian terrorism.[4]
[edit] Organizations and acts by country
[edit] Canada
The Sons of Freedom, a sect of Doukhobor anarchists, have protested nude,
blown up power pylons, railroad bridges, and set fire to homes, often
targeting their own property.[5]
[edit] India
The National Liberation Front of Tripura, a rebel group operating in
Tripura, North-East India classified by the National Memorial Institute for
the Prevention of Terrorism as one of the ten most active terrorist groups
in the world, has been accused of forcefully converting people to
Christianity.[6][7][8]
The Nagaland Rebels of Nagaland, North-East India is a coalition of rebel
groups including the National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah, has
been involved in an ethnic conflict that has resulted in tens of thousands
of deaths since the Indian Declaration of Independence.[9]
[edit] Ireland
Several people have stated that the religious divide between Roman Catholics
and Protestants was a contributing factor to The Troubles:
Mark Juergensmeyer wrote "Like residents of Belfast and London, Americans
were beginning to learn to live with acts of religious terrorism: shocking,
disturbing incidents of violence laced with the passion of religion - in
these cases, Christianity" and "The violence in Northern Ireland is
justified by still other theological positions, Catholic and Protestant."
and "The ferocity of religious violence was brought home to me in 1998 when
I received the news that a car bomb had exploded in a Belfast neighborhood I
had visited the day before.
Martin Dillon interviewed paramilitaries on both sides of the conflict,
questioning how they could reconcile murder with their Christian
convictions.[10]
First Minister of Northern Ireland The Revd. and Rt. Hon. Ian Paisley often
cast the conflict in religious terms. He preached that the Roman Catholic
Church, which he termed "Popery", had deviated from the Bible, and therefore
from true Christianity, giving rise to "revolting superstitions and
idolatrous abuses". Paisley held that there were links between the Catholic
Church and the Provisional Irish Republican Army, a group which is
classified as a proscribed terrorist group in the United Kingdom and as an
illegal organisation in the Republic of Ireland.[11][12]. He once said "The
Provisional IRA is the military wing of the Roman Catholic Church"[13] and
has claimed several times that the Pope is the Antichrist, most famously at
the European Parliament, where he interrupted a speech by Pope John Paul II,
shouting "I denounce you as the Antichrist!" and holding up a red poster
reading "POPE JOHN PAUL II ANTICHRIST".[14][15]
Pastor Alan Campbell has also identified the Papacy as the Antichrist, and
has described the IRA as "Roman Catholic terrorists".[citation needed]
Campbell preaches a Christian Identity theology; he is strongly against
race-mixing, and supports the British Israel hypothesis, claiming that the
Celto-Anglo-Saxon people of Ulster are the true "Israel of God".[citation
needed]
Steve Bruce, sociology professor at the University of Aberdeen, wrote:
"The Northern Ireland conflict is a religious conflict. Economic and
social considerations are also crucial, but it was the fact that the
competing populations in Ireland adhered and still adhere to competing
religious traditions which has given the conflict its enduring and
intractable quality".[16]:249
Reviewing the book, David Harkness of the The English Historical Review
agreed "Of course the Northern Ireland conflict is at heart religious".[17]
John Hickey wrote:
"Politics in the North is not politics exploiting religion. That is far
too simple an explanation: it is one which trips readily off the tongue of
commentators who are used to a cultural style in which the politically
pragmatic is the normal way of conducting affairs and all other
considerations are put to its use. In the case of Northern Ireland the
relationship is much more complex. It is more a question of religion
inspiring politics than of politics making use of religion. It is a
situation more akin to the first half of seventeenth-century England than to
the last quarter of twentieth century Britain".[18]
Padraic Pearse was a devoted believer of the Christian faith, a writer, and
one of the leaders of the Easter Rising.[19] In his writings he often
identified Ireland with Jesus Christ to emphasise the suffering of the
nation, and called for his readers to resurrect and redeem the nation,
through self-sacrifice which would turn them into martyrs.[19] Browne states
that Pearse's "ideas of sacrifice and atonement, of the blood of martyrs
that makes fruitful the seed of faith, are to be found all through [his]
writings; nay, they have here even more than their religious significance,
and become vitalizing factors in the struggle for Irish nationality".[19]
William Edward Hartpole Lecky, an Irish historian, wrote "If the
characteristic mark of a healthy Christianity be to unite its members by a
bond of fraternity and love, then there is no country where Christianity has
more completely failed than Ireland".[20]
Sweeney argued that self-immolation, in the form of hunger strikes by Irish
republicans, was religiously motivated and perceived.[21] He wrote:
"The Rising catapulted the cult of self-sacrifice to centre stage of
twentieth century Irish militant politics in a strange marriage of
Catholicism and republicanism. A religious and a sacrificial motif can be
detected in the writings of those who participated in the 'bloody protest'".
Brian O'Higgins, who helped in the rebel capture of Dublin's General Post
Office in O'Connell Street, recalled how all the republications took turn
reciting the Rosary every half hour during the rebellion. He wrote that
there
"was hardly a man in the volunteer ranks who did not prepare for death on
Easter Saturday [sic][22] and there were many who felt as they knelt at the
altar rails on Easter Sunday morning that they were doing no more than
fulfilling their Easter duty - that they were renouncing the world and all
the world held for them by making themselves worthy to appear before the
Judgement Seat of God... The executions reinforced the sacrificial motif as
Mass followed Mass for the dead leaders, linking them with the sacrifice of
Christ, the ancient martyrs and heroes, and the honoured dead from previous
revolts... These and other deaths by hungerstrike transformed not only the
perceived sacrificial victims but, in the eyes of many ordinary Irish
people, the cause for which they died. The martyrs and their cause became
sacred."[21]
Sweeney went on to note that the culture of hunger strikes continued to be
used by the Provisional IRA to great effect in the 1970s and 1980s,
resulting in a revamped Sinn Fein, and mobilising huge sections of the
Catholic community behind the republican cause.[21]:13
The Guardian newspaper attributed the murder of Martin O'Hagan, a former
inmate of the Maze prison and a fearless reporter on crime and the
paramilitaries, to the revival of religious fundamentalism.[23]
Although often advocating nationalist policies, these groups consisted of
and were supported by distinct religious groups in a religiously partitioned
society. Groups on both sides advocated what they saw as armed defence of
their own religious group.[24]:134-135
The Orange Volunteers are a group infamous for carrying out simultaneous
terrorist attacks on Catholic churches.[25]
[edit] Romania
Anti-Semitic Romanian Orthodox fascist movements in Romania, such as the
Iron Guard and Lancieri, were allegedly responsible for involvement in the
Holocaust, Bucharest pogrom, and political murders during the
1930s.[26][27][28][29]:24
[edit] Russia
Many Russian political and paramilitary groups combine racism, nationalism,
and Russian Orthodox beliefs.[30][31]
Russian National Unity, a far right ultra-nationalist political party and
paramilitary organization, advocates an increased role for the Russian
Orthodox Church according to its manifesto. It has been accused of murders,
and several terrorist attacks including the bombing of the US Consulate in
Ekaterinburg.[30][32]
[edit] Uganda
The Lord's Resistance Army, a sectarian guerrilla army engaged in an armed
rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child
soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including
massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, porters and sex
slaves.[33] It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson
of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Christian Holy Spirit which the
Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations.[34][34][35][36]
LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before
battle, but some Islam is mixed into their beliefs as
well.[37][38][39][40][41][42]
[edit] United States
See also: Anti-abortion violence in the United States
Ku Klux Klan with a burning cross
The End. Victoriously slaying Catholic influence in the U.S. Illustration by
Rev. Branford Clarke from Klansmen: Guardians of Liberty 1926 by Bishop Alma
White published by the Pillar of Fire Church in Zarephath, NJ.
Beginning in the late nineteenth century, white supremacist Ku Klux Klan
members in the Southern United States engaged in arson, beatings, cross
burning, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape,
tar-and-feathering, and whipping against African Americans, Jews, Catholics
and other social or ethnic minorities.[43]
During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army
of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across
the United States.[44][45][46] A number of terrorist attacks, including the
Centennial Olympic Park bombing during the 1996 Summer Olympics, were
accused of being carried out by individuals and groups with ties to the
Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements; including the Lambs of
Christ.[47]:105-120 A group called Concerned Christians were deported from
Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end
of 1999, believing that their deaths would "lead them to heaven."[48][49]
[edit] Motivation, ideology and theology
See also: Anti-abortion violence, Christian Patriot movement, and Christian
Identity movement
Christian views on abortion have been cited by Christian individuals and
groups that are responsible for threats, assault, murder, and bombings
against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States and Canada.
Christian Identity is a loosely affiliated global group of churches and
individuals devoted to a racialized theology that asserts North European
whites are the direct descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, God's chosen
people. It has been associated with groups such as the Aryan Nations, Aryan
Republican Army, Eric Robert Rudolph, Phineas Priesthood, and The Covenant,
The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord. It has been cited as an influence in a
number of terrorist attacks around the world, including the 2002 Soweto
bombings.[50][51][52]
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> On Nov 6, 8:30 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4612909e-3930-4623-
a966-53c...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 6, 8:07 pm, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Phlip wrote:
>> > > On Nov 5, 6:08 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >> Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range
>> > >> by a Muslim. Who are haters here?
>>
>> > > Whenever a Christian does it, y'all blame anything except his
>> > > religion...
>>
>> > Bingo!
>>
>> ^ Christians do not highjack passenger jets , don't crash them against
>> tall buildings,
>>
>> No. They just load up vans and pickups with explosives and blow up the
>> entire building or crash their pickups into buildings and jump out and
>> shoot people dead or murder doctors for not holding with the
>> 'Christian' viewpoint they say they represent.
>>
>> Stop the fucking lying, asshole.
>
> Prove any of that has to do with Christianity, Ricky.
>
> Can you do that?
If he cannot/willnot I can. Would you like to risk a wager on the issue?
--
Regards, Curly
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Kurt Nicklas
> "Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC 27244-9372"<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:8cf94d4d-4588-44d1...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 6, 8:30 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:4612909e-3930-4623...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 6, 8:07 pm, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Phlip wrote:
> > > > On Nov 5, 6:08 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range by a
> > > >> Muslim. Who are haters here?
>
> > > > Whenever a Christian does it, y'all blame anything except his
> > > > religion...
>
> > > Bingo!
>
> > ^ Christians do not highjack passenger jets , don't crash them against
> > tall buildings,
>
> > No. They just load up vans and pickups with explosives and blow up the
> > entire building or crash their pickups into buildings and jump out and
> > shoot
> > people dead or murder doctors for not holding with the 'Christian'
> > viewpoint
> > they say they represent.
>
> > Stop the fucking lying, asshole.
>
> ^ Prove any of that has to do with Christianity,
>
> What's the problem, Kurtis? Problems with the truth? You haven't changed
> much. You always were a liar.
Richard, it's YOU who's lying. Now, rather than reaching back to the
St. Bartholomew's massacre
you might want to defend what you said about and prove any of that has
anything to do with Christianity. For bonus points, you might want to
demonstrate that Christianity contains calls to either convert or
slaughter unbelievers the way the Koran does.
By the way, for moslems you are just another kfir. They'll still cut
your head off if they catch you, you know. Being Unitarian won't save
you.
Gandalf Grey
"Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC 27244-9372"
news:8cf94d4d-4588-44d1...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 8:30 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4612909e-3930-4623...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 6, 8:07 pm, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Phlip wrote:
> > > On Nov 5, 6:08 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range by a
> > >> Muslim. Who are haters here?
>
> > > Whenever a Christian does it, y'all blame anything except his
> > > religion...
>
> > Bingo!
>
> ^ Christians do not highjack passenger jets , don't crash them against
> tall buildings,
>
> No. They just load up vans and pickups with explosives and blow up the
> entire building or crash their pickups into buildings and jump out and
> shoot
> people dead or murder doctors for not holding with the 'Christian'
> viewpoint
> they say they represent.
>
> Stop the fucking lying, asshole.
^ Prove any of that has to do with Christianity,
What's the problem, Kurtis? Problems with the truth? You haven't changed
much. You always were a liar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Kurt Nicklas
> "Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC 27244-9372"<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:8cf94d4d-4588-44d1...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 6, 8:30 pm, "Richard Louis Hanson" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:4612909e-3930-4623...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 6, 8:07 pm, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Phlip wrote:
> > > > On Nov 5, 6:08 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range by a
> > > >> Muslim. Who are haters here?
>
> > > > Whenever a Christian does it, y'all blame anything except his
> > > > religion...
>
> > > Bingo!
>
> > ^ Christians do not highjack passenger jets , don't crash them against
> > tall buildings,
>
> > No. They just load up vans and pickups with explosives and blow up the
> > entire building or crash their pickups into buildings and jump out and
> > shoot
> > people dead or murder doctors for not holding with the 'Christian'
> > viewpoint
> > they say they represent.
>
> > Stop the fucking lying, asshole.
>
> ^ Prove any of that has to do with Christianity,
>
> What's the problem, Kurtis? Problems with the truth? You haven't changed
> much. You always were a liar.
Poor, Richard. Can't backup your silly claims, can you? Don't have a
single thing you can present that proves Christianity had anything to
do with Tim McVeigh, can you?
Poor little you.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>wrote:
>>> Dänk 1010011010 <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Izlam is like a virus and should be treated as such. As we have seen,
>>>>the Cult transcends ethnicity, and even the most average middle-class
>>>>Americans can be brainwashed and turned into jihad zombies.
>>>
>>> The newest religion has always appealed to the poor and outcast. The
>>> establishment won't take it seriously but the poor grasp for the only
>>> hope they are offered. They can't bring rich offerings but they can
>>> bring fervent belief and there are so damn many poor to swell the
>>> ranks.
>>>
>>> Every major religion has gone through a similar state in it's history.
>>> Islam is where Christianity was 1,000 years ago and it was a pretty
>>> ugly religion then.
>>
>>"Then"? Don't you consider a cult which gives their children to men in
>>dresses to butt-fuck ugly? Or a cult which "marries" 11-year old girls?
>>Or a cult that parties and drinks wine while a paid thugh hacks off the
>>end of their male-child's penis and gives it it's first blowjob?
>
> I know that's your shtick, but no, that's not as ugly as the inquisition
> or the crusades. And no, the excess of some Mormon extremes is not
> typical of Christianity in general.
Mormons aren't the "men in dresses" who butt-fuck alter boys, that's
Catholics. Mormons aren't the ones who party hardy to the tune of
wailing infants undergoing genital mutilation without anesthesia.
All the major religions, and probably most of the minor ones, have some
very serious inhumane issues. "Ugly" doesn't come close to covering it...
> Most are just hard working family people that work a job and try to
> make a life. If an hour of singing hymns is a pleasure to them, let it
> be.
And therein lies the problem. What sign from god will cause the
seemingly sedate, obedient, worshipper to snap? Becoming a Soldier for
Christ is but a change in degree, not in kind. Or Mohammad, or Zeus, or
Jehova or the Messiah.
When the crazymotherfuckers abandon critical thinking and begin chanting
and praising talking vegetation, levitation, transmutation how do you
determine which will swallow the venom and become violent? I'll answer
that question, you cannot.
The power of a meme is perhaps the strongest force among barbarians. The
only defense is to convince those can be reasoned with, like taming a
feral dog, and isolate/ridicule/disempower the irredeemable.
>>Age doesn't make a religion pretty. Time just lets the cult dig it's
>>fangs deeper making the insanity appear normal.
>
> Which is exactly while a new religion is attractive to those who see the
> hypocrisy of the old one or are exploited by it.
Neu crazymotherfuckers vs. Olde crazymotherfuckers. What's the
difference?
>>> Islam is the stage where they are still the new kids on the block with
>>> fairly recent memories of being an oppressed and exploited minority,
>>> but they are big enough to be effective.
>>
>>For the moment Islam is the crazy cousin amongst a family of
>>crazymotherfuckers.
>>
>>> The only difference is that distance and hardships of travel mostly
>>> kept the factions apart back then and their weapons were a hell of a
>>> lot less effective when they did meet.
>>
>>The only difference is a matter of degree. They're all
>>crazymotherfuckers.
elmer
You have this hate and are twisting anything you can to justify it.
Nobody is buying your junk.
Gandalf Grey
"Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC
27244-9372"<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
^ Don't have a
single thing you can present that proves Christianity had anything to
do with Tim McVeigh, can you?
But what Kurtis originally said was.
^ Prove any of that has to do with Christianity,
So once again, Kurtis succeeds in proving to be a liar.
and here's the proof, Kurtis.
Poor little you.
Too_Many_Tools
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > On Nov 5, 4:46 pm, Dänk 1010011010 <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> >> As I predicted in another message just a few minutes ago, the suspects
> >> in the shooting of 19+ people at Fort Hood in Texas were Muslims.
>
> >> Whether they were born Muslim or recently converted is still unknown,
> >> but they were definitely izlamoids.
>
> >> Izlam is like a virus and should be treated as such. As we have seen,
> >> the Cult transcends ethnicity, and even the most average middle-class
> >> Americans can be brainwashed and turned into jihad zombies.
>
>
> > Why do you not state the obvious?
>
> > TMT
>
> I wonder if th Army still has the MOS for Hangman?
> I'd reup to get the ledgering of hanging a ham around his neck before
> the noose.
> In re Muslim terrorist way, first I would smear him with pig lard, make
> hie eat pig entrails, cut of his manhood and feed it to him and then
> hang him.
> Bury him a pit where they throw away pig innards and excrement's
> Then I would put a thick layer of salt over it and then aslab of
> concrete, so his evil sould will never see 7 virgins.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Is that what Jesus would do?
TMT
Lib Loo
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
news:hd2pta$sg7$5...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:41:12 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>>Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>wrote:
>>>> Dänk 1010011010 <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Izlam is like a virus and should be treated as such. As we have seen,
>>>>>the Cult transcends ethnicity, and even the most average middle-class
>>>>>Americans can be brainwashed and turned into jihad zombies.
>>>>
>>>> The newest religion has always appealed to the poor and outcast. The
>>>> establishment won't take it seriously but the poor grasp for the only
>>>> hope they are offered. They can't bring rich offerings but they can
>>>> bring fervent belief and there are so damn many poor to swell the
>>>> ranks.
>>>>
>>>> Every major religion has gone through a similar state in it's history.
>>>> Islam is where Christianity was 1,000 years ago and it was a pretty
>>>> ugly religion then.
>>>
>>>"Then"? Don't you consider a cult which gives their children to men in
>>>dresses to butt-fuck ugly? Or a cult which "marries" 11-year old girls?
>>>Or a cult that parties and drinks wine while a paid thugh hacks off the
>>>end of their male-child's penis and gives it it's first blowjob?
LOL, How about when your daddy dressed up as a giant Easter Rabbit and
chased you around the yard until he caught, and raped you? I know you
thought it was fun at the time, but you must admit now that it was ugly.
>>
>> I know that's your shtick, but no, that's not as ugly as the inquisition
>> or the crusades. And no, the excess of some Mormon extremes is not
>> typical of Christianity in general.
>
> Mormons aren't the "men in dresses" who butt-fuck alter boys, that's
> Catholics. Mormons aren't the ones who party hardy to the tune of
> wailing infants undergoing genital mutilation without anesthesia.
>
> All the major religions, and probably most of the minor ones, have some
> very serious inhumane issues. "Ugly" doesn't come close to covering it...
>
>> Most are just hard working family people that work a job and try to
>> make a life. If an hour of singing hymns is a pleasure to them, let it
>> be.
>
> And therein lies the problem. What sign from god will cause the
> seemingly sedate, obedient, worshipper to snap? Becoming a Soldier for
> Christ is but a change in degree, not in kind. Or Mohammad, or Zeus, or
> Jehova or the Messiah.
>
> When the crazymotherfuckers abandon critical thinking and begin chanting
> and praising talking vegetation, levitation, transmutation how do you
> determine which will swallow the venom and become violent? I'll answer
> that question, you cannot.
How aboiut the way you dug up your crazymother and then raised her from the
dead? It's pretty ugly when you parade her in the newsgroup against her will
to pimp to the highest bidder. Now that's ugly, and so is she.
>
> The power of a meme is perhaps the strongest force among barbarians. The
> only defense is to convince those can be reasoned with, like taming a
> feral dog, and isolate/ridicule/disempower the irredeemable.
>
>>>Age doesn't make a religion pretty. Time just lets the cult dig it's
>>>fangs deeper making the insanity appear normal.
>>
>> Which is exactly while a new religion is attractive to those who see the
>> hypocrisy of the old one or are exploited by it.
>
> Neu crazymotherfuckers vs. Olde crazymotherfuckers. What's the
> difference?
>
>>>> Islam is the stage where they are still the new kids on the block with
>>>> fairly recent memories of being an oppressed and exploited minority,
>>>> but they are big enough to be effective.
>>>
>>>For the moment Islam is the crazy cousin amongst a family of
>>>crazymotherfuckers.
>>>
>>>> The only difference is that distance and hardships of travel mostly
>>>> kept the factions apart back then and their weapons were a hell of a
>>>> lot less effective when they did meet.
>>>
>>>The only difference is a matter of degree. They're all
>>>crazymotherfuckers.
>
Honestly, if you have a problem with them fucking your crazymother, why
don't you just drive a stake through her and bury her out back? I'm sure she
would appreciate it if you would just let her RIP.
Kurt Nicklas
wrote:
> "Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC
>
> 27244-9372"<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> ^ Don't have a
> single thing you can present that proves Christianity had anything to
> do with Tim McVeigh, can you?
>
> But what Kurtis originally said was.
>
> ^ Prove any of that has to do with Christianity,
And *that*, Ricky, refered to your citations of Oklahoma City...which
you have
now, conveniently, deleted from this discussion.
So, I guess, you've conceded, right? It's nice to see a Unitarian come
to his senses so soon. It's almost as if you had brains in your head.
Too_Many_Tools
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:16:56 -0600, "5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09"
>
>
>
>
>
> <d...@dead.com> wrote:
> >On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:48:01 -0500, elmer wrote:
>
> >> hal wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:46:13 -0800 (PST),
> >>> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E4nk_1010011010?= <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> As I predicted in another message just a few minutes ago, the suspects
> >>>> in the shooting of 19+ people at Fort Hood in Texas were Muslims.
>
> >>>> Whether they were born Muslim or recently converted is still unknown,
> >>>> but they were definitely izlamoids.
>
> >>>> the Cult transcends ethnicity, and even the most average middle-class
> >>>> Americans can be brainwashed and turned into jihad zombies.
>
> >> Those evil Christians that go around to nursing homes etc and give a
> >> little lite and friendship to people with no family etc.
>
> >Do you know that Islam actually REQUIRES charity? Most variations on
> >Xianty only recommend it.
>
> charity in Christianity is totally self serving. It is used for
> evangelizing. It is an excuse to try to convert people.
>
>
>
>
>
> > those
> >> Christians that bend over bacwards to let you walk all over them and
> >> America and forgive you.
>
> >Does this mean you're forgiving the shooter?
>
> >> The next time you feel put on by Christians let us know. That may chane
> >> or is changin as everyone begins, finally, to recognize the scope of
> >> threat Islam presents whether American of British or Taliban.
>
> >Wait a minute. Stop the presses. Islam is a threat to the Taliban?
>
> >Wow. I would never have guessed that in a million years!- Hide quoted text -
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Well said.
TMT
Gandalf Grey
"Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC
27244-9372"<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
^ Don't have a
single thing you can present that proves Christianity had anything to
do with Tim McVeigh, can you?
But what Kurtis originally said was.
^ Prove any of that has to do with Christianity,
So once again, Kurtis succeeds in proving to be a liar.
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0658d19c-d49a-4bf7...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 6, 12:38 am, elmer <e...@f.udd> wrote:
>> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
7 virgins? That leaves TMT's mommies out.
Curly Surmudgeon
Who is Christian and why should we hate him?
> You have this hate and are twisting anything you can to justify it.
Maybe you should read his posting with a more objective mind.
> Nobody is buying your junk.
What's he selling, old Chevys?
Strabo
> I dont TRUST anything the yanks say, especially when at war or in a
> military incident
>
> MATE we can all READ, we KNOW they wont tell the TRUTH for years and
> YEARS
>
> clearly this is another CIA and mossad attempt to SLOW the numbers of
> USA soldiers converting to ISLAM
>
> Muslims only need go underground and DONT TELL THEM they are Muslim
> when joining the Military like they always used too
>
> WHY tell anybody you are a Muslim , that way its easy to see who the
> REAL terrorists are when you see what western soldiers really do to
> Muslims its EASY to tell who the REAL terrorists are and gather the
> evidence for when the war crimes trials start
>
> GO UNDERGROUND , gather EVIDENCE , time will come when we can arrest
> the REAL terrorists
>
> kanga
> =====
>
New DOD directive:
Attention,
Henceforward all personnel will devour pork at every meal.
Thank You,
The DOD
<snipped>
staten
You obviously screwed up your home work again, dork I asked you to
show Christians who "load vans full of explosives and blowing up
buildings", as you claimed. Instead, you dug up the shit about
murdering abortionists. Two variants here - either you a complete
moron and cretin not able to understand the nature of question or you
are aware of that but pretending to be a fool to conceal your
embarrassment that your lies are not working. .
But anyway , what you brought is not so hard to rebut . All these
horror stories you hoped to scare everybody with Christians have
little, if any, to do with Christianity . These lunatics who
gunned down abortion doctors are CINO - Christians in name only. They
were just the self-appointed, one-man vigilante gangs who never
possessed the ability to interpret their actions in terms of what
the Bible and Chris teach about murder. An any deranged idiot has
rights to call himself a "Christian" but he is as a "Christian" as
Hasan Malik was an " a loyal American soldier"
Likewise. When Paul Hill murdered Dr. John Britton , he didn't become
a celebrity among Christians. Christian community in general and his
former congregation in particular publicly condemned his actions. No
Christian church endorsed his actions and the others. The Florida
Catholic Conference declared that " Hill's brutal murder of Dr.
Britton outside of an abortion clinic were unjustifiable attacks on
human life and we unequivocally condemn and renounce his actions." And
so did Albert Mohler , president of Southern Baptist Seminary, in
Kentucky , Reconstructionist Gary North and many other Christian
churches and communities across the nation.
(II John 1:9-11) says :
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both
the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this
doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" .
Anyone who violates the Bible and Christ's teaching is not a
Christian. Period.
^ And
>>how many doctors were killed by Christians in comparison with
>>brutality , sheer numbers and fanatism committed by Muslims?
>Now you're into numbers?
Yes, idiot, into numbers, as only the numbers tell you who are
dangerous lunatics threatening our freedom and existence and who are
not. In 16 last years the so called "Christians" murdered 7 people.
But, Muslims murder 7 people every 16 hours.
It is a big difference for all sane people. But you obviously do not
belong to this category.
.
>So basically we now know you're a whore and we're just haggling over >the price.
No , you are a whore. A filthy , subservient whore who sold his guts
to jihadi fascists .
^ If you
>see no difference between these two things
> I see no difference because there IS no difference.
That's because you are an irrational cretin . There is nothing much
else to say.
>You Christofascists are just as insane as any muslim terrorist out there >and just as dangerous.
For the deranged leftopaths like yourself Pat Robertson, George Grant,
or Gary North also are "dangerous " though they killed no one and have
no murderous organization like Al Qaeda to back up their actions. For
you absurd, godless liberal cretins a mass murderer and a police
officer are absolutely equal as both as both possess deadly guns.
Liberalism is a severe mental disorder.
staten
wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:49:38 -0800, staten wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 8:30 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> >> news:4612909e-3930-4623-
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> On Nov 6, 8:07 pm, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Phlip wrote:
> >> > > On Nov 5, 6:08 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >> Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range
> >> > >> by a Muslim. Who are haters here?
>
> >> > > Whenever a Christian does it, y'all blame anything except his
> >> > > religion...
>
> >> > Bingo!
>
> >> ^ Christians do not highjack passenger jets , don't crash them against
> >> tall buildings,
>
> >> No. They just load up vans and pickups with explosives and blow up the
> >> entire building or crash their pickups into buildings and jump out and
> >> shoot people dead or murder doctors for not holding with the
> >> 'Christian' viewpoint they say they represent.
>
> >> Stop the fucking lying, asshole.
>
> > Where is your proof that Christians blow up buildings, skuzzbag? And
> > how many doctors were killed by Christians in comparison with brutality
> > , sheer numbers and fanatism committed by Muslims? If you see no
> > difference between these two things , then you are a retarded cretin,
> > plain and simple.
>
> Oh, you loudly applaud the murder of Moslem doctors, men, women and
> children by good Christian Americans when you can do it in a nation you
> invaded for now reason and can package it as something pretty, like
> "shock and awe
Don't give me this shit about "women and children" again. You and
yours wouldn't give a flying fuck about their lives when Saddam
filled mass graves , used rape squads and ran kiddie prisons. You
still don't give a fuck about women and children when jihadis blow
women and children on daily basis in schools , markets and use women
and children as explosive devices. Your pious , selective humanism is
repulsive and phony like a seven dollar bill. You are a disgusting ,
fake and phony fraud.
staten
> > On Nov 6, 8:30 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> >> news:4612909e-3930-4623-
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> On Nov 6, 8:07 pm, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Phlip wrote:
> >> > > On Nov 5, 6:08 pm, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >> Haters? 11 people are dead murdered execution style, close range
> >> > >> by a Muslim. Who are haters here?
>
> >> > > Whenever a Christian does it, y'all blame anything except his
> >> > > religion...
>
> >> > Bingo!
>
> >> ^ Christians do not highjack passenger jets , don't crash them against
> >> tall buildings,
>
> >> No. They just load up vans and pickups with explosives and blow up the
> >> entire building or crash their pickups into buildings and jump out and
> >> shoot people dead or murder doctors for not holding with the
> >> 'Christian' viewpoint they say they represent.
>
> >> Stop the fucking lying, asshole.
>
> > Where is your proof that Christians blow up buildings, skuzzbag? And
> > how many doctors were killed by Christians in comparison with brutality
> > , sheer numbers and fanatism committed by Muslims? If you see no
> > difference between these two things , then you are a retarded cretin,
> > plain and simple.
>
> Oh, you loudly applaud the murder of Moslem doctors, men, women and
> children by good Christian Americans when you can do it in a nation you
> invaded for now reason and can package it as something pretty, like
Phlip
> You obviously screwed up your home work again, dork I asked you to
> show Christians who "load vans full of explosives and blowing up
> buildings", as you claimed.
He tricked you. Everyone knows he's talking about Timothy McVeigh. His
trick was showing your huge blind spot. When someone of Christian
heritage commits a terror attack, you blame anything except his
religion. And when a Muslim does it, you exonerate everything else
except his religion.
Dude, I'm no Atheist, yet I feel compelled to suggest that there is no
invisible man in the sky who ordains all our moves. And there is
especially no two big invisible men, using us as pawns in their own
endless wargame.
When you accuse Islam of motivating violence (oblivious to all that
Oil that Allah blessed the Muslims with), you are essentially granting
so much power to their book that you think reading it would brainwash
anyone into committing suicide attacks.
That makes me think you believe that Allah is a real deity, and He is
so very powerful that he can lead his people to attack you.
So try to remember: Allah ain't real. And anyone who argues about how
powerful he must be, is really only trying to convince themselves.
That includes Muslim zealotry, and your zealotry.
Phlip
> Don't give me this shit about "women and children" again. You and
> yours wouldn't give a flying fuck about their lives when Saddam
> filled mass graves , used rape squads and ran kiddie prisons.
Actually, we financed that. But any Iraqi will tell you (as polls have
shown) that life got much, much worse when we invaded.
Oh, and we had a kiddie prison at GITMO for a while. You probably
didn't know that, right?
The moral high ground is over there, guy. Very easy to go for a little
climb, hmm?
Phlip
> Prove any of that has to do with Christianity, Ricky.
>
> Can you do that?
No, I don't think the televangelists who pray every day that God
starts WWIII and kills us all are real Christians, either.
Kurt Nicklas
Of course this is all your fantasy, Phlop, so it means nothing
whatever
other than to prove what a pathetic liar you are.
No news there.
Kurt Nicklas
wrote:
> "Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC
>
> 27244-9372"<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> ^ Don't have a
> single thing you can present that proves Christianity had anything to
> do with Tim McVeigh, can you?
>
> But what Kurtis originally said was.
>
> ^ Prove any of that has to do with Christianity,
>
> So once again, Kurtis succeeds in proving to be a liar.
>
> and here's the proof, Kurtis.
It doesn't prove that Tim McVeigh was a Christian, does it?
Dick, just stick your head back in the sand. You'll feel better about
yourself.
Phlip
> > No, I don't think the televangelists who pray every day that God
> > starts WWIII and kills us all are real Christians, either.
>
> Of course this is all your fantasy, Phlop, so it means nothing
> whatever
> other than to prove what a pathetic liar you are.
>
> No news there.
Uh... televangelists who pray God starts WWIII for us are Christians?
Kurt Nicklas
Uh...your fantasies don't count here, Phlop. Why do you keep lying?
staten
> On Nov 7, 5:42 am, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > You obviously screwed up your home work again, dork I asked you to
> > show Christians who "load vans full of explosives and blowing up
> > buildings", as you claimed.
>He tricked you. Everyone knows he's talking about Timothy McVeigh. His
>trick was showing your huge blind spot. When someone of Christian
>heritage commits a terror attack, you blame anything except his
>religion.
Read again my response , dissembler. Christ does not command
Christians to take law in their hands and to commit murder in His
name. Everyone who doing this is NOT a Christian. Period.
>And when a Muslim does it, you exonerate everything else
>except his religion.
When a Muslim does it , he does it exactly in accordance with Islamic
teaching - "kill them (infidels) wherever you find them" Quran 9:5.
This is a big difference which you leftist idiots blinded with your
moral relativism refuse to accept.
>Dude, I'm no Atheist, yet I feel compelled to suggest that there is no
>invisible man in the sky who ordains all our moves. And there is
>especially no two big invisible men, using us as pawns in their own
>endless wargame.
>When you accuse Islam of motivating violence (oblivious to all that
>Oil that Allah blessed the Muslims with), you are essentially granting
>so much power to their book that you think reading it would brainwash
>anyone into committing suicide attacks.
That's exactly right. Muslims are brainwashed beyond belief by their
mullahs, madrassas and their unholy book the Koran from their early
childhood. Islam has motivated its murderous hordes of Jihadis by
promising the carnal pleasure in heaven after they had slaughtered all
all infidels in the name of Allah. That's why we see so many jihadist
lunatics today ready to waste their worthless lives by mass murdering
infidels. No one religious entity on earth advocates murdering
perfectly innocent people in the name of their religions. There is no
suicide bombers among Buddhists , Jews, Christians or among pagans
worshiping rocks. That's why your argument is silly and fallacious .
It does not reflects reality. It designed to obfuscate it.
>That makes me think you believe that Allah is a real deity, and He is
>so very powerful that he can lead his people to attack you.
I don't believe in Allah. Allah is not a deity . The Quran is not a
word of God . Allah is a creation of a criminal , paranoid , evil
mind of the evil personality called Mohammed.
Let's assume that Allah , as he described in the Quran , is a real
God . Is it logical, is it reasonable that mighty loving God may be
an illogical and hateful god? Any sane person would agree that God
cannot be illogical and hateful. It is Satan that is illogical and
hateful. Is it logical, is it reasonable that the real God would
allow his followers to lie or deceive people? No! That is not
logical, that is not reasonable because lies and deception are the
instruments of the weak. If you are all powerful you don’t need to lie
or to deceive. But according to the Quran Allah is khairul makirin
(the best deceiver). You have to lie in order to deceive. So if Allah
is deceiver he must be also a liar. Deception and lies are not divine
qualities. This assertion alone is enough to disqualify Muhammad’s
Allah as God. Muhammad’s god is like a Mafia godfather. He has no
real power over anything except the control over his gangsters and it
is these criminals who kill people on his behalf. The powerful God
does not need anyone to murder his detractors. It is not logical, it
is not reasonable. There is no such a criminal God. Islam is not a
religion but a political murderous fascist cult aimed at grabbing a
total power over all human beings on earth. Exactly as it is written
in the Quran. Exactly how all pious Muslims openly proclaim it in
their madrassas, mosques and from their internet sites, but you
liberal idiots refuse to hear and to see what Islam is about.
>We humans are advised to acquire divine qualities. Are these divine qualities?
No. Read my comments above.
> Is a deceitful haughty vengeful despot who humiliates people, subdues them and gives t>hem death and destruction a good person?
Address this question to Mohammad in hell He certainly knows the
answer.
>So try to remember: Allah ain't real.
Absolutely. And Islam is not a religion but a fascist cult. .
>And anyone who argues about how
>powerful he must be, is really only trying to convince themselves.
That's exactly what Muslims doing when they mass murder infidels.
>That includes Muslim zealotry, and your zealotry.
There is no "my zealotry" , moron. I don't advocate to murder people
in the name of my Christian God and don't try to convert all human
beings to Christianity. This is not the Bible's or Christ's
teachings.
staten
> staten screeched helplessly:
>
> > Don't give me this shit about "women and children" again. You and
> > yours wouldn't give a flying fuck about their lives when Saddam
> > filled mass graves , used rape squads and ran kiddie prisons.
>
>Actually, we financed that.
If we financed that and so did France, Britain, Russia, China,
Germany, Albania, Czechoslovakia and many other behind the stage
players who armed and fed Saddam when he was just an ambitious
socialist in the beginning.
>But any Iraqi will tell you (as polls have
>shown) that life got much, much worse when we invaded.
Whose fault is that Iraqis instead of enjoying freedom brought to them
on the silver plate by American blood sunk into the bloody , tribal
slaughtering of each other an every fucking day? I tell you whose
fault it is. It is Islam. . When we liberated Germany and Japan from
Nazism , they greatly appreciated that and have become productive ,
freedom loving human beings. Muslims on the other hand, still live in
7th century and stubbornly refuse to become human beings of the 21st
century. Whose fault is that? Islam's.
>Oh, and we had a kiddie prison at GITMO for a while. You probably
>didn't know that, right?
And your source is?
>The moral high ground is over there, guy. Very easy to go for a little
>climb, hmm?
I don't know how easy it is , but what you offering and advocating is
not a moral highh ground but haughty self-righteousness and hubris. A
distinctive feature of the modern liberalism.
Phlip
> Read again my response , dissembler. Christ does not command
> Christians to take law in their hands and to commit murder in His
> name. Everyone who doing this is NOT a Christian. Period.
Oh, sorry. My Bible started with the "4+1 Books of Moses", so I kind'a
figured they were considered Christian scripture.
You are entirely correct that Jesus would have nothing to do with
bombings, or terror attacks, or appeasement, or undermining elected
governments, like we have been doing in the ME all last century.
BTW both Colin Powell and the Pentagon have agreed that the reason
terrorists fight us is they are sick of us interfering in their
countries, deposing their elected leaders, secretly assassinating
them, and giving their dictators free guns.
But none of that is terrorism, or Christian Jihad...
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
> On Nov 7, 8:55 am, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> staten screeched helplessly:
>>
>> > Don't give me this shit about "women and children" again. You and
>> > yours wouldn't give a flying fuck about their lives when Saddam
>> > filled mass graves , used rape squads and ran kiddie prisons.
>>
>>Actually, we financed that.
>
> If we financed that and so did France, Britain, Russia, China, Germany,
> Albania, Czechoslovakia and many other behind the stage players who
> armed and fed Saddam when he was just an ambitious socialist in the
> beginning.
Wow. You sure do lie a lot, bubbles. The US (CIA, basically) installed
Saddam because he was going to be America's little pet dictator, like all
the other little pet dictators the US maintains around the world.
Argentina, Panama, the Philippines, all over.
And for many years, he was. But he was never a socialist, bubbles.
That's the last thing America wanted. America wanted vicious little nazi
turds, and that's exactly what they got in Saddam.
Phlip
> If we financed that and so did France, Britain, Russia, China,
> Germany, Albania, Czechoslovakia and many other behind the stage
> players who armed and fed Saddam when he was just an ambitious
> socialist in the beginning.
Saddam was a socialist?
Could you define "socialist" - without epithets? I'm curious what you
think the word means.
And maybe your BFF China ain't "socialist" or something...
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
And yet here you are, encouraging people to run out and do exactly that.
So are you a Christian, a Nazi, or what?
Phlip
> Whose fault is that Iraqis instead of enjoying freedom brought to them
> on the silver plate by American blood sunk into the bloody , tribal
> slaughtering of each other an every fucking day?
In the beginning, the British drew national boundaries across tribal
lines. That's a standard colonial trick to make sure your new country
has two factions that you can play off each other. If they are just
one faction, they can overthrow you too easy.
Then, Saddam maintained order by playing Sunni off Shi'a. Just like
you have been taught by our fascists to hate Muslims.
Next, we didn't send in enough troops to cover every choke point -
bridges, interchanges, etc. - to prevent widescale rioting.
When it started, we only secured the ministry of oil.
Then, after it stopped (yes, it stopped), we fired the entire Iraqi
Army. You didn't know that, right? That means, instead of simply
ordering Saddam's generals to keep the soldiers on their bases, with
pay, we sent them all home without any money.
But we let them keep their guns.
We did everything we could to start a civil war. Really - we couldn't
have done any worse than arming & training both sides, but not paying
them or keeping them under their officers.
Cheney did this because he needed time for our troops to invest the
oil fields, and he needed time and pressure to set up a new gov't,
then order it to sign a law that we wrote, giving us free oil forever.
I think the Iraqis have not yet signed that bill.
But by all means keep thinking the war was about Islamic Jihad against
the US. Not oil...
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
Z: You -do- know, bubbles that when Saddam filled those graves, he was
doing it with American backing. They had new and deadly toys they hoped
they could get Saddam to try out on the Iranians. When he attacked the
Kurds instead, slaughtering villages, the US administration was mildly
perturbed, but not enough so to pull Ronnie Reagan's strings and make him
condemn the act. Not that you pig ignorant right wingers didn't get
mileage out of it later, when you accused Saddam of "gassing his own
people", apparently without understanding that the Kurds were no more
Saddam's "own people" than the Jews were Hitler's. But oh! How you
sputtered in moral outrage over that, all the while ignoring the American
markings on the cannisters of gas that were used!
Saddam was a pig, and I've no use at all for jihadists. But you haven't
shown me anything to suggest that you are any better than them.
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
> Don't give me this shit about "women and children" again.
Oh, yes. That.
Fuck you, you sanctimonious, lying hypocrite.
America murdered women and children. They did it through wrong-headed
sanctions, and they did it through a gaudy light show designed to impress
the morons back home and make them think America was an unstoppable force.
I wonder how many children died so you could enjoy your little "shock and
awe" show.
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
Knickers' religion is the one of personal revenge. He hopes to get
Raptured and spend all eternity laughing his ass of at all the rest of us
who didn't.
That'll show us.
Gandalf Grey
"Kurt Nicklas" <nick...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:baa226a9-66a8-41cb...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 11:10 pm, "Richard 'Gandalf' Hanson" <valino...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC
>
> 27244-9372"<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> ^ Don't have a
> single thing you can present that proves Christianity had anything to
> do with Tim McVeigh, can you?
>
> But what Kurtis originally said was.
>
> ^ Prove any of that has to do with Christianity,
>
> So once again, Kurtis succeeds in proving to be a liar.
>
> and here's the proof, Kurtis.
"Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC
27244-9372"<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
^ Don't have a
single thing you can present that proves Christianity had anything to
do with Tim McVeigh, can you?
But what Kurtis originally said was.
^ Prove any of that has to do with Christianity,
So once again, Kurtis succeeds in proving to be a liar.
and here's the proof, Kurtis.
Poor little you.
staten
Phlip wrote:
> On Nov 7, 8:01 am, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > Read again my response , dissembler. Christ does not command
> > Christians to take law in their hands and to commit murder in His
> > name. Everyone who doing this is NOT a Christian. Period.
>
>Oh, sorry. My Bible started with the "4+1 Books of Moses", so I kind'a
>figured they were considered Christian scripture.
Your problem is that you read the Bible as a comix book after you have
become a liberal Sharia - atheist. That's why you are so confused.
>You are entirely correct that Jesus would have nothing to do with
>bombings, or terror attacks, or appeasement, or undermining elected
>governments, like we have been doing in the ME all last century.
Appeasement is wrong. Agreed. Elected governments? Not so. If we
overthrew Hitler's elected government in 1930s , the WWII nightmare
would never happen. We cannot afford to allow Muslims to do everything
they please. It's a sheer suicide.
>BTW both Colin Powell and the Pentagon have agreed that the reason
>terrorists fight us is they are sick of us interfering in their
>countries, deposing their elected leaders, secretly assassinating
> them, and giving their dictators free guns.
What the fuck all that has in common in Sudan, India, Russia,
Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand , in China , in Africa everywhere
where Muslims murder people in the name of Allah? Is it because “we
interfering in their countries” ? Why don't you use your brains
instead of your ass?
>But none of that is terrorism, or Christian Jihad...
“Christian Jihad” doesn't exist. It's commie newspeak.
staten
> On Nov 7, 8:05 am, staten <state...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > If we financed that and so did France, Britain, Russia, China,
> > Germany, Albania, Czechoslovakia and many other behind the stage
> > players who armed and fed Saddam when he was just an ambitious
> > socialist in the beginning.
>
> Saddam was a socialist?
>Could you define "socialist" - without epithets? I'm curious what you
>think the word means.
The Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party (also spelled Ba'th or Baath; Arabic:
حزب البعث العربي الاشتراكي) was founded in Damascus in the 1940s by
Michel Aflaq and Salah al-Bitar, both Syrian intellectuals, as the
original secular Arab nationalist movement, to unify all Arab
countries in one State
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba'ath_Party
>And maybe your BFF China ain't "socialist" or something...
I am not against socialists as long as they don't try to introduce
socialism in America. If they peacefully destroying their own
countries with socialism and don't aim their weapons at us, it's fine
for me.
5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09
Wow. You really are a serious nut, aren't you?