Homophobes are assholes.
userb3
>: > That's certainly what one, knowing what "basic human rights" are, would
>think.
>: Marrying the consenting adult of one's choice would be another. Guess
>: that's not a big deal for you, though.
>
>If that is all gays are bitching about, they really
>do not have it bad.
Well, heck, if not being able to own and carry guns is all the NRA is
bitchin' about, then they don;t have it bad, either?
I guess that as long as you only consider the rights YOU have to be
important, you don't lose too much sleep over someone else's rights,
hunh?
>Just try being lynched or
>kept in slavery as American blacks were.
You think gays haven't been lynched? You think gays don't face
discrimination? You think gays don't face being imprisoned for simply
engaging in consensual sex between two adults in the privacy of their
own home? You think maybe gays never have to watch over their shoulder
in case a few homophobes want to do a little gay bashing?
> Basic
>"human rights" is not being killed, being able to
>learn to read, being able to freely speak your
>mind without being killed, and the right to own
>weapons.
Translation: I've got mine, what you bitchin' about?
>Given the homosexuals often have high paying jobs,
>a thing that many blacks have yet to achieve, being
>able to "marry" is not that big a deal.
I'd give my eye teeth if only you could be gay or black for a week.
fwiw, being gay is no more a guarantee of wealth than being black is a
guarantee of poverty.
>My guess is that there are more than a few gold diggers
>within the homosexual community who want to "marry"
>some rich asshole then divorce him for all the money they
>can get. Hell, it happens far too often in the straight community.
And the significance of this is what?
--
userb3
The Taliban supports school prayer!
userb3
>On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:26:14 -0500 (CDT), "userb3" <use...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> You think gays don't face being imprisoned for simply
>>engaging in consensual sex between two adults in the privacy of their
>>own home?
>
>Care to show us any recent convictions for that 'crime'?
>Didn't think so.
>
>Go away.
in 30 seconds on Google:
2001: http://www.washblade.com/local/010907c.htm - in the woods, not at
home
1998:
http://www.lambdalegal.org/cgi-bin/pages/documents/record?record=807
1994: http://www.geocities.com/privacylaws/USA/Louisiana/lanews10.htm
1991: http://dont.stanford.edu/cases/fagg.pdf
Threatened arrest:
2000 http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=9030
http://www.aclu.org/news/2000/n073100b.html
http://uspolitics.about.com/library/weekly/aa072900a.htm
General info:
http://www.aclu.org/news/2000/n041000b.html
http://www.law.mercer.edu/lawreview/Articles/51303.htm
http://home.teleport.com/~glapn/ar04001.html
http://www.georgiacriminaldefense.com/sexcrimes.htm
http://www.citypages.com/databank/22/1076/article9698.asp
http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/sodomy.html
http://www.indegayforum.org/articles/miller39.html
--
userb3
"A religion which requires persecution to sustain it is of the devil's propagation"
Hosea Ballou
WhiteWolf
in my years, i've noticed that those that protest the loudest against
homosexuality and those that react to it violently are generally
closet cases themselves.
they tend to feel that their suppressed urges & the presence of
homosexuals somehow threaten their pseudo-masculinity.
by depriving homosexuals of any of their rights, they are
subconsciously placing themselves on a pinnacle and re-enforcing their
false sense of superiority.
it's kind of like the way the male ape pounds it's chest to impress
other males.
there will come a time when none of it will matter.
when life gets you down -
don't forget, and remind your friends - that GOD loves you.
WhiteWolf
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:48:02 -0500 (CDT), "userb3" <use...@yahoo.com>
jan
I pity the poor bastards.
"userb3" <use...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<hfreolnubbpbz....@news.alt.net>...
Douglas Berry
^Let's Roll^ <^Let's Roll^@^Let's Roll^.^Let'sRoll^ > warmed at our
fire and told this tale:
>If you fuck -anybody- in public you risk jail time.
>
>Are you confused about that, fluffy?
>
>>1998:
>>http://www.lambdalegal.org/cgi-bin/pages/documents/record?record=807
>>1994: http://www.geocities.com/privacylaws/USA/Louisiana/lanews10.htm
>>1991: http://dont.stanford.edu/cases/fagg.pdf
No comment on these three cases then?
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
rand mair fheal
(jan) wrote:
>Homosexuality is a sick perverse lifestyle.
>I pity the poor bastards.
i thought you understood it was not mandatory
userb3
>Homosexuality is a sick perverse lifestyle.
>I pity the poor bastards.
Funny, I feel the exact same way about homophobes.
Interestingly, gun control advocates think its sick and perverted to
own or use a gun, even in self defense. I reject their postion, too.
userb3
>hey userb3,
>in my years, i've noticed that those that protest the loudest against
>homosexuality and those that react to it violently are generally
>closet cases themselves.
Good observation. There is also research that shows a correlation
between degree of stated homophobia and degree of sexual response to
homoerotic stimuli.
userb3
>If you fuck -anybody- in public you risk jail time.
You didn't address the arrests made in people's own homes. And the one
example cited in the woods was IN THE WOODS, not in plain view.
Look, this is simple. You said no one gets arrested, I provided
evidence that people do, in fact, get arrested. The appropriate
response would be to simply admit you were wrong and stand corrected.
H. McDaniel
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:26:14 -0500 (CDT), "userb3" <use...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > You think gays don't face being imprisoned for simply
> >engaging in consensual sex between two adults in the privacy of their
> >own home?
>
> Care to show us any recent convictions for that 'crime'?
> Didn't think so.
Anne Heche and Ellen. What an ugly couple. I can see why they might have been
subject to arrest in Mexico where they don't take kindly to eye sores. Ha ha.
Mind you, Anne isn't a total dog. She's sometimes sane I hear. Haven't seen
it... just hear rumors.
-McDaniel
H. McDaniel
> >Just try being lynched or
> >kept in slavery as American blacks were.
>
> You think gays haven't been lynched? You think gays don't face
> discrimination? You think gays don't face being imprisoned for simply
> engaging in consensual sex between two adults in the privacy of their
> own home? You think maybe gays never have to watch over their shoulder
> in case a few homophobes want to do a little gay bashing?
Where were homosexuals when people like MLK were risking their lives for civil
rights? One was heading up the FBI trying to kill guys like MLK, apparently.
Don't know about the rest. Didn't see them risking their lives for blacks and
latinos.
Now to be fair the NRA wasn't there either. But it has been trying to change
its ways for some years now by being more open.
-McDaniel
Pop Kulcher
> I pity the poor bastards.
>
it somewhere else, thanks.
Pop Kulcher
http://members.home.net/popkulcher
WhiteWolf
their lives. notice i said 'most' (read as - end potential flames on
that part)
they were sitting in their houses, watching the news, shaking their
heads & saying either 'tsk, tsk. it's terrible what they are going
through', or, 'tsk, tsk. won't those ***** ever learn their place.
someone needs to teach them a lesson & shut them up'.
very few involved themselves - including the government, the media and
law enforcement in any positive way in the situation.
it is only in retrospect that we can look back and see what we could
have and should have done.
but then, if we had, we would have changed the future. who knows where
we would have been now.
it also shows that we still don't learn the lessons that history
teaches. each mistake is repeated endlessly on a larger scale each
time until the mistakes are approaching global proportions.
WhiteWolf
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>
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:35:42 -0500, a wanderer, known to us only as
> ^Let's Roll^ <^Let's Roll^@^Let's Roll^.^Let'sRoll^ > warmed at our
> fire and told this tale:
>
> >
> >
> >>http://www.lambdalegal.org/cgi-bin/pages/documents/record?record=807
> >>1994: http://www.geocities.com/privacylaws/USA/Louisiana/lanews10.htm
> >>1991: http://dont.stanford.edu/cases/fagg.pdf
>
>
Well, that last one involved heterosexual contact (oral sex), which just
happened to be defined as sodomy. Toss it out too.
The second one involved a couple of overzealous asshole cops who
arrested a couple for having sex in their own apartment, and an asshole
prosecutor who pushed the case, and a stupid state government that keeps
stupid laws on the books to criminalize concensual sex.
The first one involves allegations of outdoor sex again, maybe it was
procecuted more vigorously because it was gay sex but still would've
been illegal for heterosexual contact in the same circumstances.
> --
>
> Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
> http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
--
===========================================================
Poetry shamelessly stolen from some guy on a newsgroup:
It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion,
It is by the beans of java that thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire trembling,
The trembling becomes a warning.
It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion"
jan
>
> >Homosexuality is a sick perverse lifestyle.
> >I pity the poor bastards.
>
> Funny, I feel the exact same way about homophobes.
>
> Interestingly, gun control advocates think its sick and perverted to
> own or use a gun, even in self defense. I reject their postion, too.
Homophobes, haha. Love those made up PC terms to make the immoral feel
better about their deviancy.
Pedophilaphobe, Murdereraphobe, Terroristaphobe...guess all those also
apply!
Attempting to use gun control advocacy to legitimize this sick
behaviour is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!
PeopleEater
> userb3 wrote:
>
> > >Just try being lynched or
> > >kept in slavery as American blacks were.
> >
> > You think gays haven't been lynched? You think gays don't face
> > discrimination? You think gays don't face being imprisoned for simply
> > engaging in consensual sex between two adults in the privacy of their
> > own home? You think maybe gays never have to watch over their shoulder
> > in case a few homophobes want to do a little gay bashing?
>
> Where were homosexuals when people like MLK were risking their lives for civil
> rights? One was heading up the FBI trying to kill guys like MLK, apparently.
> Don't know about the rest. Didn't see them risking their lives for blacks and
> latinos.
They were too busy trying to hide and repress their sexuality in a
time when their personal feelings would have gotten them pegged as
"communists" and lynched.
-PE
Douglas Berry
j...@www.com (jan) warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>Homosexuality is a sick perverse lifestyle.
>I pity the poor bastards.
Don't. We pity people like you. Sick little boys who live in hatred
and fear.
Guess what? We're all around you! We're cops, lawyers, blue collar
workers, doctors, bus drivers, even soldiers! We live in everything
from hovels to mansions. Some of use like sports, some don't.
There is one thing we do all have in common though...
We're here.
We're queer
And we ain't going away!
WhiteWolf
basically, there are 2 types of homosexuals:
1) those that are homosexual by choice and
2) those that have no choice in the matter.
it is a fact that the makeup of the human brain physically differs
between men & women. given nothing else, a forensic specialist can
tell the sex just by the physical appearance of the brain.
several years ago, in studies of the brains of deceased gays, it was
found that in some, the male brains had definite female
characteristics and visa versa - some female brains had decidedly male
characteristics.
it was theorized that this could have come about in several different
fashions; excessively high hormonal levels of the parent during
pregnancy; presence of the wrong hormone in the pregnant mother;
incorrect hormonal levels prior to and during puberty.
so, if a person's homosexuality is not by choice, then they were made
that way.
if they were made that way then there is nothing that can be done
about it by the time they have passed into & through puberty.
if such is the case, the GOD's hand MUST be involved.
if it is by choice, then there is a predisposition, for whatever
reason, to having an intimate relationship with a person of the same
sex, and the reasons could be many.
what it comes down to is that if the person has no choice in the
matter, then who are you or anyone else to meddle in the affairs of
GOD?
if it is a personal choice, then who are you to stick your nose in
where it doesn't belong.
bottom line is that -
it isn't any of anyone's business, nor is it anyone's right to judge.
as Jesus said, 'who among you that hasn't sinned, can cast the first
stone'.
if it offends you, look the other way.
if someone offers you an encounter - realize that it was a compliment
and if that is not your inclination, thank them & say so.
in other words -
GET OVER IT!
WhiteWolf
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McDaniel" <unli...@unlisted.unlisted> warmed at our fire and told
this tale:
>Where were homosexuals when people like MLK were risking their lives for civil
>rights? One was heading up the FBI trying to kill guys like MLK, apparently.
>Don't know about the rest. Didn't see them risking their lives for blacks and
>latinos.
Hiding in their closets. In the mid-60s being gay could cost you your
job.
The gay civil rights movement began at the Stonewall Inn, in NYC on
the night of June 28, 1969. Police began a harassment raid on the
Inn, like they had done on many nights before that. There had been no
complaints, no warrant, just bored cops deciding to bust a few
"pansies" in the head.
What the got was a riot that raged through the night. The beluagured
cops were forced to call out the Tactical force to help them. By that
point, the rioters numbered over a thousand. It was an end to the
routine harassment of gays in New York. And a beacon to gays across
the country.
>Now to be fair the NRA wasn't there either. But it has been trying to change
>its ways for some years now by being more open.
Very few large organizations were "there" yet. But there wasn't
really a nation-wide movement until after Stonewall. By 1975,
thousands of wrongful termination suites had been filed, stating that
being discharged for a simple fact of life was illegal. And the
judges agreed.
Cary Kittrell
<
{...}
<
<Where were homosexuals when people like MLK were risking their lives for civil
<rights? One was heading up the FBI trying to kill guys like MLK, apparently.
<Don't know about the rest. Didn't see them risking their lives for blacks and
<latinos.
<
Beg pardon? How in the world do you know that there weren't
gays in the civil rights movement? Both statistically and
politically it's overwhelmingly likely that there were.
I just don't see that any who did participate were under
some kind of moral obligation to carry a sign saying "Queers
for Civil Rights". That hardly would have been beneficial to
either party.
If you're asking "Where were the gay organizations?", the
answer -- remembering when all this took place -- is
"what gay organizations?".
-0-
johnny wadd
Jim Patrick
>Now to be fair the NRA wasn't there either. .......
Bzzzzzt!! Wrong answer.
I knew that, but why didn't you? Prejudiced a bit?
>....But it has been trying to change its ways
>for some years now by being more open.
Jeez! Just don't know when to quit, do ya?
Chuck McDunnough
>
Ha ha.. well I guess they do in a sense.
For myself, I think their sexual practices are pretty disgusting. I don't
claim to know the mind of God so beyond, don't lie, don't steal, don't kill...
I don't know what constitutes a sin. However, I do have a friend who is gay.
He is also a vet and has been in two different special forces divisions.
Additionally, he stuck out his neck for me at work twice so I would get the
inside track on promotions within my division. He has been with his boyfriend
for 20 some years.. they met in the the service. I don't know.. it is a touchy
subject. But from what he tells me the special forces have a more than usual
(percentage wise) makeup of gay men.
For those reasons and some others based on my personal experience, I tend to be
tolerant. I don't say I like what they do. I don't say I think it is right.
I can't invision a time when me and my wife would sit down in a restaurant with
him and his boyfriend. But I do know that at least this individual acts based
on what he feels to be right and moral and has a life in which he has given
more sweat blood and tears in the protection of this country than I ever could.
I wouldn't dare to judge him even if I don't want to hang out with him on a
personal basis.
Chuck
H. McDaniel
> In talk.politics.guns, H. McDaniel wrote:
>
> >Now to be fair the NRA wasn't there either. .......
>
> Bzzzzzt!! Wrong answer.
> I knew that, but why didn't you? Prejudiced a bit?
If I were I doubt I would've joined the NRA.
> >....But it has been trying to change its ways
> >for some years now by being more open.
>
> Jeez! Just don't know when to quit, do ya?
I know what I'm talking about from first hand experience, pal.
-McDaniel
WhiteWolf
read what i left chuck.
maybe one day you'll really be HIS friend and you and yours will sit
down for a meal with him and his.
it's a shame......
WW
On 19 Oct 2001 01:31:34 GMT, justfa...@aol.com (Chuck McDunnough)
wrote:
snip
> I do have a friend who is gay.
snip
>I can't invision a time when me and my wife would sit down in a restaurant with
>him and his boyfriend.
snip
>
>Chuck
Jim Patrick
Then why'd you lie? It's a well known fact that Heston was one of the
few 'Hollywood people' to side with the early NAACP, even marching
with King at the risk (realized) of lost income or employment.
It's also a fact that the NRA -- as an organization-- extended charter
status and firearms training to an NAACP chapter that was under attack
from the KKK and local government in Jesse Helms' hometown.
The NRA extended the offer to any group that wanted it. By any
definition it was politically risky and was definitely unpopular.
The NRA felt it was doing the right thing and they did it.
A final fact is that --even if they are demonstrated to be related--
racial equality or gay rights are not the NRA's fight. But if
firearms training, education, collecting, or shooting sports are
involved; the NRA is open.
The only caveat I'm aware of is that the NRA is very pro-American and
very patriotic, and always has been. It was founded on the premise to
promote the firearms ability of US citizens, so the citizens could (if
called) serve their country better. In that, they haven't changed.
H. McDaniel
> In talk.politics.guns, H. McDaniel wrote:
>
> >Jim Patrick wrote:
> >
> >> In talk.politics.guns, H. McDaniel wrote:
> >> >Now to be fair the NRA wasn't there either. .......
>
> >> Bzzzzzt!! Wrong answer.
> >> I knew that, but why didn't you? Prejudiced a bit?
>
> >If I were I doubt I would've joined the NRA.
>
> >> >....But it has been trying to change its ways
> >> >for some years now by being more open.
>
> >> Jeez! Just don't know when to quit, do ya?
>
> >I know what I'm talking about from first hand experience, pal.
>
> Then why'd you lie? It's a well known fact that Heston was one of the
> few 'Hollywood people' to side with the early NAACP, even marching
> with King at the risk (realized) of lost income or employment.
Heston, yes. Did I say anything about Heston? Please. Let you tell it if
Heston drinked Tang in 1969, he did it for the NRA.
> It's also a fact that the NRA -- as an organization-- extended charter
> status and firearms training to an NAACP chapter that was under attack
> from the KKK and local government in Jesse Helms' hometown.
>
> The NRA extended the offer to any group that wanted it. By any
> definition it was politically risky and was definitely unpopular.
> The NRA felt it was doing the right thing and they did it.
Heston and LaPierre are apparently smarter than you because they've realized
that the old NRA wasn't doing enough.
-McDaniel
Jim Patrick
>Heston and LaPierre are apparently smarter than you because they've realized
>that the old NRA wasn't doing enough.
You're probably right; it's why they head it up and I don't! <g>
But the subject was your claim in reference to MLK and civil rights,
"Now to be fair the NRA wasn't there either."
-- H. McDaniel
It simply isn't true. The NRA was there.
H. McDaniel
> But the subject was your claim in reference to MLK and civil rights,
> "Now to be fair the NRA wasn't there either."
> -- H. McDaniel
>
> It simply isn't true. The NRA was there.
I must've missed the NRA volunteers acting as body guards for MLK. Do you have pictures?
-McDaniel
rifleman1
Richard Lewis
He can't have children because he's a male, but he wants the "right"
to have them guaranteed.
I'm going to assume that that needs no explanation.
ral
~Rebel ...The Uncanny~
>when life gets you down -
>don't forget, and remind your friends - that GOD
>loves you.
Actually God detests homosexuals and clearly states that they're an
_abomination_. This isn't limited to Judeo Christian teachings either,
and for good reason. It isn't a normal practice. Whatsoever.
WhiteWolf
WW
~Rebel ...The Uncanny~
feels compelled to use another boy's poop chute for a vagina ...merely
because his mommy doted on him too much and sampling a real female would
(Horror of Horrors! Lol) make him feel all icky like he was poppin' it
to Mum. The thought of some hairychested guy heavin and sweating behind
some other guy while humming Liza Minelli tunes is comical indeed, and
rightly ridiculed.
..even bad guys like Osama don't dig queers ...that tell you anything
lol?
~Rebel ...The Uncanny~
their "culture". That being, ... The Myth of Pusse Comatosis (Latin for
a helpless state induced by poontang, according to the American Medical
Association's "Glossary of Silly Fears") Face your fears boys. Try a
piece. It's nice and warm and free of staff and other nasty things
associated with poop. You'll suddenly feel NORMAL and free of that awful
stigma you suffer. You'll prob forget all about lurking in men's
gymnasiums like a predator and hopefully will denounce Judy Garland for
what she was .... a freckle faced mentally ill trollop. You won't have
to feel like you're hiding anymore because you're doing something
_wrong_.
Trust me .. the only "coma" I suffer from pussy is that niiiiiice
restful sleep that comes after I do a few times.
you silly sugarplum fairies crack me up
and the guy who _unfactually_ quotes his special forces neighbor he
looks up to concerning a large percentage of our elite forces as being
"gay" ......sheesh ...sounds like you're almost ready to dismiss your
poor missus. Hope she doesn't find out the hard way about your affair
by suddenly finding one day that your whacker tastes like poopy lol.
class dismissed lol
WhiteWolf
your god must be a particularly vindictive one with a nasty sense of
humor judging from the silly infantile names he made you take on these
newsgroups -
rebel_cool1 & ~rebel....the uncanny~
two other points:
1) when the bible discusses homosexuality, it does so in the plural,
possibly indicating that it is promiscuity that is being discussed.
2) if i was gay - i'd still think that you are butt-ugly
WW
WhiteWolf
experience.
so, what happened? did he promise that he would call you back but
never did?
WW
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:15:11 -0600 (MDT), Rebel...@webtv.net
(~Rebel ...The Uncanny~) wrote:
snip
>The thought of some hairychested guy heavin and sweating behind
>some other guy while humming Liza Minelli tunes is comical indeed,
snip
Bill Onesty
homosexual who does not like so called homophobes):
If it is true, then why don't homosexuals LIKE homophobes?
userb3
>I heard that homos suck
So does your mama.
--
userb3
"A religion which requires persecution to sustain it is of the devil's propagation"
Hosea Ballou
userb3
>>Now to be fair the NRA wasn't there either. .......
>
>Bzzzzzt!! Wrong answer.
The NRA marched with MLK?
Panhead
>
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:46:11 -0400, johnny wadd wrote:
>
> >I heard that homos suck
>
> So does your mama.
What's wrong with a "mama" sucking off her man?
That IS normal sexual fun between two consenting heterosexual
adults, isn't it?
WhiteWolf
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:39:48 -0400, Panhead <Panmy...@fcc.com>
wrote:
Cary Kittrell
<whitewolf howls (possibly due to a sore areshole?):
<
<>when life gets you down -
<>don't forget, and remind your friends - that GOD
<>loves you.
<
<Actually God detests homosexuals and clearly states that they're an
<_abomination_.
Yep. He also clearly states that eating lobster or oysters
or mussels or crayfish is an abomination.
Perhaps we should lurk outside Long John Silver's and bash
the employees when they come out?
In any event, I'm confident you keep kosher in your choice of foods.
But you don't pay for it with paper money, because graven
images are an abomination. Clearly stated.
How about women wearing pants? Abomination. Lying? You
never lie, right? Ever? "Lying lips" are an abomination,
You'll note that God doesn't rank them -- there's no
Class IV Abomination, for example -- so if you've ever
lied, or eaten shrimp, then you've committed as abomination
every bit as repugnant as you could have by buttfucking your
best buddy.
So, may we conclude that "God detests" you too? Along with
the rest of us?
-- cary
Dan Goodman
Rebel...@webtv.net says...
> whitewolf howls (possibly due to a sore areshole?):
>
> >when life gets you down -
> >don't forget, and remind your friends - that GOD
> >loves you.
>
> Actually God detests homosexuals and clearly states that they're an
> _abomination_.
Isn't there something in Christianity about "Love the sinner but hate the
sin?"
> This isn't limited to Judeo Christian teachings either,
> and for good reason. It isn't a normal practice. Whatsoever.
>
>
--
Dan Goodman
dsg...@visi.com
Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
> images are an abomination. Clearly stated.
errr... why only paper money? Every coin I ever saw in my life from ANY
country has a head on it! :)
Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
> images are an abomination. Clearly stated.
errr... why only paper money? Every coin I ever saw in my life from ANY
Cary Kittrell
Well, yeah, I started to throw that in, but then it explicitly
says "graven images", which I took as something like "incised".
God hadn't heard of die-stamping yet.
-- cary
Jim Patrick
Nice dodge! Sounds like you have an 'avoidance issue'.
Fact is the NRA did what was right during the civil rights struggle.
People who wanted and needed firearms training --in this case blacks
who were being shot and bombed by the police and KKK-- to defend
themselves were provided with NRA training and support they needed.
Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
> <country has a head on it! :)
>
> Well, yeah, I started to throw that in, but then it explicitly
> says "graven images", which I took as something like "incised".
> God hadn't heard of die-stamping yet.
Well, he hadn't heard of photography either, but the Taliban doesn't allow
photos :)
Lonnie Courtney Clay
************************************************************
Howling with laughter! That one must have come from the dweebs
discussing "posse comitatus". I am a red blooded 45 year old American
man still seeking Barbie but would settle for less if Gidget has a
daughter....
diverted by the way,
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Jim Patrick
>>>Now to be fair the NRA wasn't there either. .......
>Jim Patrick wrote:
>>Bzzzzzt!! Wrong answer.
>The NRA marched with MLK?
Far more of them than your type.
[Cheap-shot answers to cheap-shot questions]
Or perhaps I have the context all wrong -- that people like Rosa Parks
don't count because "they didn't march with MLK"; that the Freedom
Riders don't count because they weren't "marching with MLK"; and that
James Farmer contributed nothing to blacks' civil rights? Is that it?
_______________________________________________________
A thoughtful answer is that the NRA --as an organization-- didn't take
any side in the struggle. But the fact is that they provided support
and training for people (blacks) who requested it. Any number of
civil rights activists were NRA members because of that.
I expect many (white) NRA members would have bitterly opposed the idea
if they were aware of it; and the NRA came to regret it later when
some of the activists became friendly to communism. But the charters
the NRA gave weren't revoked, and they stood by their position.
By the NRA taking the position they did, they extended recognition to
the fact that blacks are citizens; that all citizens have the same
basic rights under the Constitution, including the RKBA. By doing
that, they took the position.
Did the NRA march with MLK? Some members did, some members didn't,
some members counter marched. Heston, not an NRA member then, did
march with MLK. But the NRA was there for those who wanted them.
Just outt'a curiosity, do you even know who Farmer was? What he did?
userb3
>Or perhaps I have the context all wrong -- that people like Rosa Parks
>don't count because "they didn't march with MLK"; that the Freedom
>Riders don't count because they weren't "marching with MLK"; and that
>James Farmer contributed nothing to blacks' civil rights? Is that it?
I'm not the one who suggested marching with MLK was the gold standard
that had to be met to have a just cause.
Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
> <country has a head on it! :)
>
> Well, yeah, I started to throw that in, but then it explicitly
> says "graven images", which I took as something like "incised".
> God hadn't heard of die-stamping yet.
Well, he hadn't heard of photography either, but the Taliban doesn't allow
photos :)
WhiteWolf
the bible story?
WW
On 19 Oct 2001 19:44:14 GMT, ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell)
wrote:
Chuck McDunnough
>> That IS normal sexual fun between two consenting heterosexual
>>adults, isn't it?
Actually, in many states, it is illegal. Considered to be crimes against
nature. They just never prosecute on it.
Chuck
Chuck McDunnough
>down for a meal with him and his.
>
>it's a shame......
Yeah, probably. In a way, I don't feel good about it. On the other hand, I
can't exactly put square what I know about gays in general with what I know
about this guy. In other words, it grosses me out. I do realize it is none of
my business.. but by keeping my distance, I keep it none of my business. Not
the bravest stand perhaps, and I would never wish him harm in any way, but the
best I can do is tolerance.
Chuck
RTO Trainer
"Panhead" <Panmy...@fcc.com> wrote in message
news:3BD04944...@fcc.com...
Sodomy, in whatever form, is illegal in Oklahoma.
Unless you're wearing your seatbelt.
Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
> >> That IS normal sexual fun between two consenting heterosexual
>
> nature. They just never prosecute on it.
There are a couple of states where vibrators - or to be more specific
"devices designed to create sexual pleasure" are illegal, too. Some comedian
cracked that Clinton would have been an illegal import to these states ;)
Scott Hunt
>
> Gunner
>
WAIT!!! This game aint over yet!!! Consider these words (From the NIV
Bible):
Matthew 6:25
"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or
drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important
than food, and the body more important than clothes?
Luke 12
22
Then Jesus said to his disciples: "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about
your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear.
23
Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes.
24
Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or
barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!
Mark 7
18
"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man
from the outside can make him `unclean'?
19
For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his
body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
20
He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him `unclean.'
21
For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality,
theft, murder, adultery,
22
greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.
23
All these evils come from inside and make a man `unclean.'"
Romans 14
14
As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is
unclean in itself.
Romans 14
20
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but
it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.
... And now for the coup de grace!!
1 Corinthians 6
13
"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them
both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the
Lord for the body.
Enjoy burning in Hell for sucking a dick!!
Best regards,
Scott Hunt
--
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze too long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into
you. ----Jenseits von Gut und Bðse, IV, 146
WhiteWolf
immorality' consists of.
i also know what the bible says will happen to those that look down
their noses at others and feel that they are better than others.
you have a lot to learn, and time is growing short.
take the time to actually learn the lessons that the bible teaches and
you will greatly benefit from it - in this life, and the next.
WW
Douglas Berry
"johnny wadd" <jw...@hotmail.net> warmed at our fire and told this
tale:
>I heard that homos suck
And you are just aching to find out if it's true.
>
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
Douglas Berry
bill....@ieee.org (Bill Onesty) warmed at our fire and told this
tale:
>Considering the title of this thread (and I assume it was written by a
>homosexual who does not like so called homophobes):
>
>If it is true, then why don't homosexuals LIKE homophobes?
Why don't you ask Matthew Sheppard?
Madman
or at least in the closet.
What gets me about this whole homo thing is that you are a "Homophobe" for
believing what you think is right. So what, I'm a homophobe for thinking
that homosexuality is a psychological problem, not a natural thing?
I am an American, I can believe or think what the hell I want! Suck on that!
Madman
"James F. Cornwall" <jc...@radiks.net> wrote in message
news:3BCEF708...@radiks.net...
> Douglas Berry wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:35:42 -0500, a wanderer, known to us only as
> > ^Let's Roll^ <^Let's Roll^@^Let's Roll^.^Let'sRoll^ > warmed at our
> > fire and told this tale:
> >
> > >If you fuck -anybody- in public you risk jail time.
> > >
> > >Are you confused about that, fluffy?
> > >
> > >>1998:
> > >>http://www.lambdalegal.org/cgi-bin/pages/documents/record?record=807
> > >>1994: http://www.geocities.com/privacylaws/USA/Louisiana/lanews10.htm
> > >>1991: http://dont.stanford.edu/cases/fagg.pdf
> >
> > No comment on these three cases then?
> >
>
> Well, that last one involved heterosexual contact (oral sex), which just
> happened to be defined as sodomy. Toss it out too.
>
> The second one involved a couple of overzealous asshole cops who
> arrested a couple for having sex in their own apartment, and an asshole
> prosecutor who pushed the case, and a stupid state government that keeps
> stupid laws on the books to criminalize concensual sex.
>
> The first one involves allegations of outdoor sex again, maybe it was
> procecuted more vigorously because it was gay sex but still would've
> been illegal for heterosexual contact in the same circumstances.
>
> > --
> >
> > Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
> > http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
> >
> > "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> > when they do it from religious conviction."
> > Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
>
>
> --
>
> ===========================================================
> Poetry shamelessly stolen from some guy on a newsgroup:
>
> It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion,
> It is by the beans of java that thoughts acquire speed,
> The hands acquire trembling,
> The trembling becomes a warning.
> It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion"
Nick Lilavois
>Who's give a flying shit-e about homosexuals. Keep them out of the military
>or at least in the closet.
Well, obviously you give a flying shit-e about homosexuals,
since you want to keep them out of the military in the
closet.
>What gets me about this whole homo thing is that you are a "Homophobe" for
>believing what you think is right. So what, I'm a homophobe for thinking
>that homosexuality is a psychological problem, not a natural thing?
Yep- and someone is a racist if they believe that blacks are
animals, and someone is a sexist if they believe that women
are nothing more than baby factories. One thing is true
across all types of bigots- they all believe that what they
think is right.
>I am an American, I can believe or think what the hell I want! Suck on that!
You are right- in America, you have the constitutional right
to be a brain-dead moron, and I see you exercise that right
whenever you can.
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Nick Lilavois
>They have no place in our military.
That's your response? "They have no place in our military"?
Nothing more than that? Not even an attempt to support your
position? Gee, you are a brain-dead moron all right.
First off, gays ARE in the military, they always have been
and always will be. The only issue is if they lie about it
or not.
Second, many other nations have out gays in the military,
and have absolutely no problems with it.
Third, every argument used against gays in the military was
used against racial integration- such as lowering morale.
White soldiers got used to black soldiers, and straight
soldiers will get used to gay ones.
I'm guessing your response will have all the substance of
something along the lines of "gays are icky".
WhiteWolf
my guess would be that homosexuals are either men or women.
WhiteWolf
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:12:34 GMT, "Madman" <som...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Chuck McDunnough
>
Well, I hate to post on this subject again, because, as I have mentioned, I am
not all that comfortable around gay people. However, it is true that gays are,
and have always been, and will always be in the military. They compose ten
percent of the population after all. If someone wants to fight and perhaps
die for this country, who can make a reasonable argument for why they shouldn't
have the opportunity?
I guess where I stand on the whole thing is that we make way too much of the
whole thing. There is not a valid argument to say no gays in the military on a
religious basis, because the whole idea of a military is unChristian anyway.
I never met a homo that wanted to kill me or that threatened my existence in
any way. If God hates them, let Him do something about it. In the meantime,
let's go after the threatening deviants that we desparately need to stop. The
rapists, the wife beaters, the murderers and the thieves and the real monsters,
those that prey on little children.
If God is so worried about who we are banging, do you think he hates a gay
person more than a guy who cheats on his wife? Let's throw all adulterers out
of the military too. Oh, and isn't it deviant to look at porno... how many
military guys are too pure to do that? How many visit hookers. Reckon Jesus
is looking down at that with admiration?
In my experience, those guys that spend too much time worrying about homos are
the same ones that have a lot of issues with their own sexuality or whose
daddies buggered their butts when they were kids. Personally, I don't really
like to think about gays a lot, but I know from my experience they aren't any
worse than the rest of us. We all have a lot to answer for on judgement day.
Chuck
Scott Hunt
news:ORlA7.1409$WF4.26...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> Who's give a flying shit-e about homosexuals. Keep them out of the
military
> or at least in the closet.
Why should the US protect homosexuals from military service? From my
POV it would be best to allow them to serve our country on the front lines
and save the best and brightest heterosexual men and women for other
duties!! <WEG>
Stop protecting the homosexuals; front line military serve should be
mandatory for all homosexuals!! <WEG>
Scott Hunt
> They have no place in our military.
Apparently, you have never heard of cannon fodder!!
Scott Hunt
> I'm guessing your response will have all the substance of
> something along the lines of "gays are icky".
"gays are icky".
LOL!! That's funny!!!
Best regards,
Scott Hunt
news:20011020234028...@mb-co.aol.com...
This by far is the best response I've read on this subject yet! I
congratulate you Chuck on your thoughtful words!
Scott Hunt
news:pk13ttkshbo8ndu0i...@4ax.com...
[snip]
> i notice that you didn't post a definition regarding what 'sexual
> immorality' consists of.
Since the quotations came directly from a source for Christian biblical
studies (http://www.internetdynamics.com/pub/vc/bibles.html) I saw no need
for me to define sexual immorality to those of you who claim to be
Christians. Plus I thought you were smarter than that!! However, since you
need a definition: from Webster's New American Dictionary... immoral (im
mor' al) adj. Not guided by the commonly accepted ideas of rightness in
conduct; unprincipled. - 'ity n. -- 'ly adv. So, therefore sexual
immorality (i.e.. homosexuality, adultery, and just plain lusting after
someone) would be unacceptable to Christians - that is unless you subscribe
to the idea that anything and everything is forgiven and you are left
unpunished!
[snip]
> i also know what the bible says will happen to those that look down
> their noses at others and feel that they are better than others.
Oooooo! I'm so scared! Good thing I grew up and stopped believing
in fairy tales or I would really be scared!!
[snip]
> you have a lot to learn, and time is growing short.
> take the time to actually learn the lessons that the bible teaches and
> you will greatly benefit from it - in this life, and the next.
>
> WW
Oh goody, more religious ghost stories!! It is getting ever so close to
Halloween!! BTW, if you are referring to the Apocalypse you can not
possibly know that time is growing short. So how dare you declare that you
are God!!!
From Matthew 24:36 (NIV)
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the Father.
Listen WW, I could care less about your pathetic religious beliefs nor
do I care about your assumed knowledge of biblical issues. If you like or
are a homosexual that's fine by me. What you do in your bedroom is YOUR
business and I DO NOT care to know what you do in there. As long as you are
with another consenting adult I dont care what sexual activities you do in
the privacy of your home!!
If you have a problem with my views regarding sexual immorality and
homosexuality (specifically) then it would be to your benefit to know where
I stand on that issue before you go off half cocked; making an ass out of
yourself! From my reading of the Bible (KJV) homosexual activity is an
abomination:
Leviticus 18
21
And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23
Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither
shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Leviticus 20
12
And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put
to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have
committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood
shall be upon them.
14
And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be
burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
Deuteronomy 22
5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a
man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the
LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 23
17
There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the
sons of Israel.
18
Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the
house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination
unto the LORD thy God.
From the New Testament of the NIV (New International Version):
1 Corinthians 6
9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not
be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor
male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10
nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will
inherit the kingdom of God.
From the NASB (New American Standard Bible):
Romans 1
27
and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman
and burned in their desire toward one another, <*1> men with men committing
[1] indecent acts and receiving in [2] their own persons the due penalty of
their error.
From the New Living Translation (NLT):
1 Timothy 1
9But they were not made for people who do what is right. They are for people
who are disobedient and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider
nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who murder their father or mother or
other people. 10These laws are for people who are sexually immoral, for
homosexuals and slave traders, for liars and oath breakers, and for those
who do anything else that contradicts the right teaching 11that comes from
the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God.
Now for my own secular POV. Homosexuality is a pointless, lingering
death! Completely aside from the religious condemnations of the practice it
is damned to failure as homosexuals can not reproduce offspring of their
own. In order for the homosexual lifestyle to continue to exist it must be
indoctrinated to otherwise heterosexual minds. That is, it must be taught
to children and adolescents at a point when sexual identities (gender roles)
are just beginning to form. With regards to the argument that homosexuality
is a genetic predisposition (one is just born to be homosexual) care should
be taken that this argument dies quickly. For homosexuality to survive it
must remain a lifestyle choice. If a gene is discovered that controls human
sexuality then it can be changed (read "fixed"). The homosexuality gene if
such a thing exists will be looking upon as an abnormality that can be
tested for and then altered to fit the biological gender of the embryo!
This will kill homosexuality out right!! As long as homosexuality remains a
lifestyle choice (you make the conscience choice to be homosexual) than
homosexuality will survive for a much longer time, although those who
practice such a lifestyle will suffer greatly for it!
Let me make one thing very clear: I'm talking about a lifestyle not the
person who practices that lifestyle. I can forgive the sinner while still
hating the sin itself!
Best wishes to all,
N9NWO
have genetic birth defects, like some of those
who have genetic faults that cause alcoholism.
Again, who cares? You pushed this issue in
our faces. We did not bring up. It is your
problem. And the only political force you
have is that you have money that political
parties want.
: excuse me if i offend anyone.....
:
: basically, there are 2 types of homosexuals:
: 1) those that are homosexual by choice and
: 2) those that have no choice in the matter.
:
: it is a fact that the makeup of the human brain physically differs
: between men & women. given nothing else, a forensic specialist can
: tell the sex just by the physical appearance of the brain.
:
: several years ago, in studies of the brains of deceased gays, it was
: found that in some, the male brains had definite female
: characteristics and visa versa - some female brains had decidedly male
: characteristics.
:
: it was theorized that this could have come about in several different
: fashions; excessively high hormonal levels of the parent during
: pregnancy; presence of the wrong hormone in the pregnant mother;
: incorrect hormonal levels prior to and during puberty.
:
: so, if a person's homosexuality is not by choice, then they were made
: that way.
: if they were made that way then there is nothing that can be done
: about it by the time they have passed into & through puberty.
: if such is the case, the GOD's hand MUST be involved.
:
: if it is by choice, then there is a predisposition, for whatever
: reason, to having an intimate relationship with a person of the same
: sex, and the reasons could be many.
:
: what it comes down to is that if the person has no choice in the
: matter, then who are you or anyone else to meddle in the affairs of
: GOD?
: if it is a personal choice, then who are you to stick your nose in
: where it doesn't belong.
:
: bottom line is that -
: it isn't any of anyone's business, nor is it anyone's right to judge.
: as Jesus said, 'who among you that hasn't sinned, can cast the first
: stone'.
: if it offends you, look the other way.
: if someone offers you an encounter - realize that it was a compliment
: and if that is not your inclination, thank them & say so.
:
: in other words -
: GET OVER IT!
:
: WhiteWolf
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: On 18 Oct 2001 12:05:38 -0700, j...@www.com (jan) wrote:
:
: >"userb3" <use...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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: >> On 17 Oct 2001 23:25:38 -0700, jan wrote:
: >>
: >> >Homosexuality is a sick perverse lifestyle.
: >> >I pity the poor bastards.
: >>
: >> Funny, I feel the exact same way about homophobes.
: >>
: >> Interestingly, gun control advocates think its sick and perverted to
: >> own or use a gun, even in self defense. I reject their postion, too.
: >
: >
: >Homophobes, haha. Love those made up PC terms to make the immoral feel
: >better about their deviancy.
: >Pedophilaphobe, Murdereraphobe, Terroristaphobe...guess all those also
: >apply!
: >
: >Attempting to use gun control advocacy to legitimize this sick
: >behaviour is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!
:
N9NWO
: homosexuality and those that react to it violently are generally
: closet cases themselves.
That can be the case. Then there are those of us who
just do not care. Do what you want in your own home.
Do it in public (like smoking) and it becomes my problem.
What I am tired of is that constant whining by homosexuals.
Too many of them are well educated and wealthy, something
that most blacks in America still have not achieved. And
blacks dislike homosexuals honing in on the civil rights issue
which they assume to be theirs alone.
: they tend to feel that their suppressed urges & the presence of
: homosexuals somehow threaten their pseudo-masculinity.
: by depriving homosexuals of any of their rights, they are
: subconsciously placing themselves on a pinnacle and re-enforcing their
: false sense of superiority.
Typical liberal. Still bitching about how you were
treated in high school.
: it's kind of like the way the male ape pounds it's chest to impress
: other males.
:
: there will come a time when none of it will matter.
:
: when life gets you down -
: don't forget, and remind your friends - that GOD loves you.
God loves you, the rest of us have to deal with life. If you
want love then go to God because I am tapped out. Besides,
the love of God is not achievable by man without direct
manifestation of God within him. Man, in his natural state,
is not able to give you what you so desire, acceptance.
Again, I really do not care. For one thing, outside the
wealth that you might have, your numbers are so small
that you are not a political force. And remember that
the military and law enforcement are your superiors.
You are expendable.
N9NWO
: >homosexual who does not like so called homophobes):
: >
: >If it is true, then why don't homosexuals LIKE homophobes?
:
: Why don't you ask Matthew Sheppard?
Most of us never knew Matthew Sheppard.
Had any of us gun owners had come across
the scene, it would have been very likely that
we would have came to his rescue.
But what you are doing is what makes so many
of dislike homosexuals' political activities. It is
that in your face, everyone is wrong but us, attitude
that makes care very little about what you believe.
Again, the police and military are your superiors,
they are more valuable than you. Face it, in conflict
your life is expendable. It is up to you to defend
yourself with weapons, not us.
WhiteWolf
On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 05:18:52 GMT, "Scott Hunt"
<thomas...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"WhiteWolf" <whit...@rubyridge.com>wrote in message
>news:pk13ttkshbo8ndu0i...@4ax.com...
>
>[snip]
>> i notice that you didn't post a definition regarding what 'sexual
>> immorality' consists of.
>
> Since the quotations came directly from a source for Christian biblical
>studies (http://www.internetdynamics.com/pub/vc/bibles.html) I saw no need
>for me to define sexual immorality to those of you who claim to be
>Christians. Plus I thought you were smarter than that!! However, since you
>need a definition: from Webster's New American Dictionary... immoral (im
>mor' al) adj. Not guided by the commonly accepted ideas of rightness in
>conduct; unprincipled. - 'ity n. -- 'ly adv. So, therefore sexual
>immorality (i.e.. homosexuality, adultery, and just plain lusting after
>someone) would be unacceptable to Christians - that is unless you subscribe
>to the idea that anything and everything is forgiven and you are left
>unpunished!
WOW!! did webster's write the bible too?
then why would you quote the bible & then give definitions from a
dictionary?
now, theological references might be acceptable, but one would think
that if GOD wanted people to understand something written in the bible
- it would be defined there.
>[snip]
>> i also know what the bible says will happen to those that look down
>> their noses at others and feel that they are better than others.
>
> Oooooo! I'm so scared! Good thing I grew up and stopped believing
>in fairy tales or I would really be scared!!
you contradict yourself.
so now the bible is only useful when YOU want to quote from it -
otherwise it's a fairy tale?
>
>[snip]
>> you have a lot to learn, and time is growing short.
>> take the time to actually learn the lessons that the bible teaches and
>> you will greatly benefit from it - in this life, and the next.
>>
>> WW
>
> Oh goody, more religious ghost stories!! It is getting ever so close to
>Halloween!! BTW, if you are referring to the Apocalypse you can not
>possibly know that time is growing short. So how dare you declare that you
>are God!!!
>
>From Matthew 24:36 (NIV)
>"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the
>Son, but only the Father.
silly point on your part - i never said when it would happen, just
that it would & time is growing short.
every day that passes, is another day closer....
> Listen WW, I could care less about your pathetic religious beliefs nor
>do I care about your assumed knowledge of biblical issues. If you like or
>are a homosexual that's fine by me. What you do in your bedroom is YOUR
>business and I DO NOT care to know what you do in there. As long as you are
>with another consenting adult I dont care what sexual activities you do in
>the privacy of your home!!
> If you have a problem with my views regarding sexual immorality and
>homosexuality (specifically) then it would be to your benefit to know where
>I stand on that issue before you go off half cocked; making an ass out of
>yourself! From my reading of the Bible (KJV) homosexual activity is an
>abomination:
but that doesn't matter, because you clearly stated above that it's a
fairy tale....
snipped........................
> Let me make one thing very clear: I'm talking about a lifestyle not the
>person who practices that lifestyle. I can forgive the sinner while still
>hating the sin itself!
>
>
>Best wishes to all,
>
>Scott Hunt
i don't recall a single gay asking for your forgiveness.
you are a bigot.
WW
Douglas Berry
"Madman" <som...@hotmail.com> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>Who's give a flying shit-e about homosexuals. Keep them out of the military
>or at least in the closet.
How long were you in? What did you do? I was in combat arms, and I'm
bi.
>What gets me about this whole homo thing is that you are a "Homophobe" for
>believing what you think is right. So what, I'm a homophobe for thinking
>that homosexuality is a psychological problem, not a natural thing?
No, homophobes are those actually strike out at us. I don't care what
you think of me, but in the way of my civil rights and I will flatten
you.
>I am an American, I can believe or think what the hell I want! Suck on that!
Now, re-read that sentence, and then look above where you say that we
should stay in closets. I guess freedom only applies to you?
Douglas Berry
"Madman" <som...@hotmail.com> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>They have no place in our military.
Really? I was a Ranger, what did you do in war, Daddy?
Read, if you dare expose your eyes to a few facts, of some of the
others in service:
http://members.aol.com/co501boy/gutsandglory.htm
Douglas Berry
"Scott Hunt" <thomas...@hotmail.com> warmed at our fire and told
this tale:
>"Madman" <som...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:laqA7.2696$b16.47...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
>> They have no place in our military.
>
> Apparently, you have never heard of cannon fodder!!
Well, the infantry is "the Queen of Battle." :)
Anyway, the days of the infantry being expendable idiots with rifles
is long dead. Being an infantryman today is a demanding profession,
requiring technical skills, good physical conditioning, and the
ability to think clearly in chaotic situations.
Scott Hunt
> you are a bigot.
>
> WW
>
And you are an inferior fool!!
userb3
>Who's give a flying shit-e about homosexuals. Keep them out of the military
>or at least in the closet.
I thought you didn't care about them. If so, why do you care that
patriotic homosexuals might want to stand up and serve their country?
They're not good enough to fight and die for your freedoms?
And what about this in the closet business? How would you feel about
practicing your religion in private? No church, no wearing any
religious symbol, no bumper stickers, no praying in public with fellow
believers, and the promise e of persecution is you happened to mention
your religious affiliation? How would you feel about that? Is that the
American way?
>What gets me about this whole homo thing is that you are a "Homophobe" for
>believing what you think is right. So what, I'm a homophobe for thinking
>that homosexuality is a psychological problem, not a natural thing?
Yes. You're mistaken, and by applying a value judgement, you become a
homophobe.
You see, if you really didn't care, it would be like being Methodist.
personally, I'm not a Methodist. I don;t really understand why
Methodists do what they do, and I don't much want to be a part of it.
But as long as they're not forcing me to partcipate, I don't care if
they want to build a Methodist church next to my house, I don't care if
one rooms with my kid at college, I don't care if Methodists teach at
the local public school, and I don't care if they want to have big
splashy Methodist weddings and put pictures in the paper. It's all fine
by me as long as I don't have to go.
When you can say the same thing about homosexuality, you'll simply be a
non-homosexual and not a homophobe.
>I am an American, I can believe or think what the hell I want! Suck on that!
I'm all for you believing what you want. Just be sure to extend the
same courtesy to your neighbors.
--
userb3
"A religion which requires persecution to sustain it is of the devil's propagation"
Hosea Ballou
userb3
>They have no place in our military.
I agree. Homophobes have no place in the military.
userb3
>Again, the police and military are your superiors,
>they are more valuable than you.
Interestingly, the police and military personnel that I know all claim
that their duty os to protect and serve. They claim no superiority.
They have a specific authority and a specific duty, but with those
comes corresponding responsibility.
¹
Homo's like to call homo-haters homophobes because they think it gives
them the moral high ground or something. Sorta like OldSmokie's
"Simpleton" retorts. Childish. A "phobe" is someone who fears
something. Hate is not fear. So when you're called a homophobe realize
the homo calling you a homophobe is ignorant.
Madman wrote:
>
> Who's give a flying shit-e about homosexuals. Keep them out of the military
> or at least in the closet.
>
> What gets me about this whole homo thing is that you are a "Homophobe" for
> believing what you think is right. So what, I'm a homophobe for thinking
> that homosexuality is a psychological problem, not a natural thing?
>
> I am an American, I can believe or think what the hell I want! Suck on that!
>
> Madman
>
> "James F. Cornwall" <jc...@radiks.net> wrote in message
> news:3BCEF708...@radiks.net...
> > Douglas Berry wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:35:42 -0500, a wanderer, known to us only as
> > > ^Let's Roll^ <^Let's Roll^@^Let's Roll^.^Let'sRoll^ > warmed at our
> > > fire and told this tale:
> > >
> > > >If you fuck -anybody- in public you risk jail time.
> > > >
> > > >Are you confused about that, fluffy?
> > > >
> > > >>1998:
> > > >>http
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Kassia
<anar...@one.com> wrote:
>
>Homo's like to call homo-haters homophobes because they think it gives
>them the moral high ground or something. Sorta like OldSmokie's
>"Simpleton" retorts. Childish. A "phobe" is someone who fears
>something. Hate is not fear.
It usually is. People who hate homosexuality are generally terribly
afraid of it.
It's interesting that so many studies have found that homophobes -
sorry, homo-haters - have a much stronger sexual reaction to gay porn
than non-homophobic straight men.
K.
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Feminist discussion boards, t-shirts, web network
Nick Lilavois
>Homo's like to call homo-haters homophobes because they think it gives
>them the moral high ground or something. Sorta like OldSmokie's
>"Simpleton" retorts. Childish. A "phobe" is someone who fears
>something. Hate is not fear. So when you're called a homophobe realize
>the homo calling you a homophobe is ignorant.
No, homophobia, and most bigotry, IS fear-driven. Actually,
ignorance compounded by fear of the unknown. Homophobes are
afraid of gay people "recruiting" them, of gay people
molesting their children, of gay people somehow changing
*their* lives. They fear gay people because they don't know
what homosexuality is, so they project all of these things
-their worst fears- into that void.
So tell me- what is it about "homos" that you are afraid of?
KB9WFK
--
"Nick Lilavois" <no-emai...@newsgroup-only.com> wrote in message
news:svk6ttki3m3julijh...@4ax.com...
> <anar...@one.com> wrote:
>
> >Homo's like to call homo-haters homophobes because they think it gives
> >them the moral high ground or something. Sorta like OldSmokie's
> >"Simpleton" retorts. Childish. A "phobe" is someone who fears
> >something. Hate is not fear. So when you're called a homophobe realize
> >the homo calling you a homophobe is ignorant.
>
> No, homophobia, and most bigotry, IS fear-driven. Actually,
> ignorance compounded by fear of the unknown. Homophobes are
> afraid of gay people "recruiting" them, of gay people
> molesting their children, of gay people somehow changing
> *their* lives. They fear gay people because they don't know
> what homosexuality is, so they project all of these things
> -their worst fears- into that void.
>
> So tell me- what is it about "homos" that you are afraid of?
>
Wow. You managed to say in a whole paragraph what he said in 2 sentences.
"A "phobe" is someone who fears
something. Hate is not fear. " How is it that you spent an entire post
elaborating on and confirming what he said, and then end with an accusation?
Nick Lilavois
You don't know how to read, do you?
Hate IS fear, that is what I said. Homophobia is motivated
BY fear. If you find this topic too complex, have someone
who completed middle school read it and explain it to you.
homophobia, and most bigotry, IS fear-driven. Actually,
ignorance compounded by fear of the unknown. Homophobes are
afraid of gay people "recruiting" them, of gay people
molesting their children, of gay people somehow changing
*their* lives. They fear gay people because they don't know
what homosexuality is, so they project all of these things
-their worst fears- into that void.
Scott Hunt
> homophobia, and most bigotry, IS fear-driven. Actually,
> ignorance compounded by fear of the unknown. Homophobes are
> afraid of gay people "recruiting" them, of gay people
> molesting their children, of gay people somehow changing
> *their* lives. They fear gay people because they don't know
> what homosexuality is, so they project all of these things
> -their worst fears- into that void.
You have said this twice now in two of your postings. I agree with the
general sentiment that people tend to project worse case event onto unknown
objects, people, etc. However, there is one part of your posting that I
would like for you to answer!
[snip]
> They fear gay people because they don't know
> what homosexuality is, ...
So, please tell us what homosexuality is!
WhiteWolf
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:
: That's your response? "They have no place in our military"?
: Nothing more than that? Not even an attempt to support your
: position? Gee, you are a brain-dead moron all right.
:
: First off, gays ARE in the military, they always have been
: and always will be. The only issue is if they lie about it
: or not.
In smaller numbers than in the general population.
: Second, many other nations have out gays in the military,
: and have absolutely no problems with it.
:
: Third, every argument used against gays in the military was
: used against racial integration- such as lowering morale.
: White soldiers got used to black soldiers, and straight
: soldiers will get used to gay ones.
:
: I'm guessing your response will have all the substance of
: something along the lines of "gays are icky".
The reason that the UCMJ was changed on issues
of homosexuality was that we had garrison NCOs
back in the days before Vietnam who raped young
soldiers.
Now answer this, why have you jerks highjacked
this discussion about the military being used for
police work?
N9NWO
: >they are more valuable than you.
:
: Interestingly, the police and military personnel that I know all claim
: that their duty os to protect and serve. They claim no superiority.
: They have a specific authority and a specific duty, but with those
: comes corresponding responsibility.
Bullshit. From day one, during recruitment, a cop
is told that he was selected because he was superior.
Most were former high school athletes who have a
smug attitude anyway.
As far serving and protecting, well they serve the politicians
and protect the system. You are expendable. If push comes
to shove, a cop, or a Marine, would put the life of a fellow
officer above that of a civilian.
And do not forget, cops are treated as more valuable by
the law. Just spitting on a cop is a felony. Kill a police dog
and it is a felony. Yet he can kill yours without reprisal.
Hell, we had a number of cases over the last year where
cops gunned down unarmed civilians without reprisal.
Lets see you do that.
No, they are superior to you. And the police are the final
judge of morality. Not the religious leaders.
WhiteWolf
oh, never mind - i just re-read your posts
i forgot for a second that you are a twit.
WW
Nick Lilavois
>"Nick Lilavois" <no-emai...@newsgroup-only.com> wrote in message
>news:s6o6ttkvqrs5oeivl...@4ax.com...
>
>> homophobia, and most bigotry, IS fear-driven. Actually,
>> ignorance compounded by fear of the unknown. Homophobes are
>> afraid of gay people "recruiting" them, of gay people
>> molesting their children, of gay people somehow changing
>> *their* lives. They fear gay people because they don't know
>> what homosexuality is, so they project all of these things
>> -their worst fears- into that void.
>
> You have said this twice now in two of your postings.
Well, once in each- the last guy did not know how to read,
so I posted it a second time.
>I agree with the
>general sentiment that people tend to project worse case event onto unknown
>objects, people, etc. However, there is one part of your posting that I
>would like for you to answer!
You got it.
>[snip]
>> They fear gay people because they don't know
>> what homosexuality is, ...
>
> So, please tell us what homosexuality is!
Sure- I did not include that in the last post, because the
question was not asked. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality
and bisexuality, is a *sexual orientation*. A sexual
orientation is the drive or desire that determines which sex
one is attracted to. The fourth sexual orientation is called
"asexual", or attracted to nobody. Others simply classify
this as a low sex drive instead, and only consider the three
sexual orientations to be valid. (I think even four is
limiting, because there are people who do not quite fit any
of them so just get put in "bisexual", but I digress.)
Many people are under assorted misconceptions about
homosexuality- that it is a set of behaviors or sex acts,
that it is a lifestyle, or that it is a choice. It is none
of those.
Homosexuality is not a set of sex acts- it is a desire.
Someone can be homosexual and celibate. Someone can be a
closeted homosexual male who gets married to a woman and has
kids- and no one would know he is gay except him. Someone
can be a heterosexual man who has sex with men. The key is
the desire- which sex one is attracted to, not what they do
about it.
This also explains why "conversions" fail- they do not
change someone's orientation, they simply brainwash them to
conform their lives to religious standards.
Homosexuality is also not a lifestyle- true, a "Gay culture"
has grown in the united states, consisting of rainbow flags
and pride marches, but that is not what defines one as
homosexual. There are plenty of gays not in the "gay
culture" and there are plenty of straight friends and family
members of gays who are part of all of the trappings of the
"lifestyle".
There is an "african-american culture", but if a black
person is not in it they are no less black. There are
homosexuals who are hippies, truckers, bikers, yuppies,
techno-geeks, goths, traveling salesmen- and any other
lifestyle you can imagine.
Some have considered "homosexual" and "gay" to be two
separate words for that reason, "homosexual" being a fact of
life, and "gay" being a political/social label.
And third, homosexuality is not a choice- it is an aspect of
who one is, and something that most of us discover about
ourselves early in childhood. It may have a genetic cause,
it may be caused by hormones in the mother's womb, it may be
a combination of factors. Whatever it is, it is NO choice.
Bisexuals, of course, have choices that us homosexuals and
heterosexuals do not- but simply *being* a bisexual was not
a choice for them either.
And one more thing- "homosexual", or more exactly "gay", has
become a defining characteristic of people. This is because
of societies attitudes toward gays. Someday, as culture
changes, being gay will be as insignificant to people as
being left-handed is now- not a defining characteristic, not
a point of ridicule or harassment, simply a fact of life.
Any more questions?
Nick Lilavois
>: >They have no place in our military.
>: That's your response? "They have no place in our military"?
>: Nothing more than that? Not even an attempt to support your
>: position? Gee, you are a brain-dead moron all right.
>: First off, gays ARE in the military, they always have been
>: and always will be. The only issue is if they lie about it
>: or not.
>In smaller numbers than in the general population.
That is unknown- because they don't tell, for fear of being
kicked out. That does not exactly make for ideal survey
situations.
>: Second, many other nations have out gays in the military,
>: and have absolutely no problems with it.
>:
>: Third, every argument used against gays in the military was
>: used against racial integration- such as lowering morale.
>: White soldiers got used to black soldiers, and straight
>: soldiers will get used to gay ones.
>:
>: I'm guessing your response will have all the substance of
>: something along the lines of "gays are icky".
>
>The reason that the UCMJ was changed on issues
>of homosexuality was that we had garrison NCOs
>back in the days before Vietnam who raped young
>soldiers.
Well, THAT'S an urban myth I'm not familiar with.
Why didn't they do anything about the straight male soldiers
who raped young vietnamese girls?
>Now answer this, why have you jerks highjacked
>this discussion about the military being used for
>police work?
What jerks did what high acking? If you want to know how
threads on USENET progress, just follow it up the line.
THIS post is not even in a thread- you changed the subject
line, so it is all by itself, with "homosexuality" in the
title.
KB9WFK
--
"Nick Lilavois" <no-emai...@newsgroup-only.com> wrote in message
news:s6o6ttkvqrs5oeivl...@4ax.com...
No, you obviously don't know how to write what you mean. You said, "No,
homophobia, and most bigotry, IS fear-driven."
Please show me the word hate in that sentence, let alone the phrase "hate is
fear"..
After you can do that we can discuss further. Untill then you are full of
shit.
> Homophobia is motivated
> BY fear.
That is exactly what the other guy said when he wrote, "A "phobe" is someone
who fears something."
>If you find this topic too complex, have someone
> who completed middle school read it and explain it to you.
I find your inability to write what you mean hard to follow. Especially
when you come back later claiming to have said something that you never put
into words. Hell, you NEVER even used the word "hate" in your post at all.
Perhaps you should stop dictating to the guy that completed middle school.
KB9WFK
--
"N9NWO" <n9...@amsat.org> wrote in message
news:1RJA7.520$vC5.1...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> : >Again, the police and military are your superiors,
> : >they are more valuable than you.
> :
> : Interestingly, the police and military personnel that I know all claim
> : that their duty os to protect and serve. They claim no superiority.
> : They have a specific authority and a specific duty, but with those
> : comes corresponding responsibility.
>
> Bullshit. From day one, during recruitment, a cop
> is told that he was selected because he was superior.
> Most were former high school athletes who have a
> smug attitude anyway.
Recriutment? You apply for the job, pass the physical, pass the training
and get hired. It's a job, not some elitist group or club.
>
> As far serving and protecting, well they serve the politicians
> and protect the system. You are expendable. If push comes
> to shove, a cop, or a Marine, would put the life of a fellow
> officer above that of a civilian.
Anybody that serves and believes that does not belong in uniform. If that
was true, then the marines would be rounding up the civilians and sending
them off to combat. The police would be sending non-uniformed citizens into
stop bank robbers. Much safer for them that way. According to you then,
the only true heroes are the firemen such as those that rushed past people
leaving the WTC so they could get inside. The fighting forces are just
pieces of human flotsam unworthy of our support..
If you had served in my unit with that attitude I would gurantee a short
carreer and many bruises and broken bones.
>
> And do not forget, cops are treated as more valuable by
> the law. Just spitting on a cop is a felony. Kill a police dog
> and it is a felony. Yet he can kill yours without reprisal.
The cop still has to account for every round fired. If he can't justify it
to the satisfaction of Internal Affairs he is toast.
> Hell, we had a number of cases over the last year where
> cops gunned down unarmed civilians without reprisal.
> Lets see you do that.
Two words: Bernard Geotz
>
> No, they are superior to you. And the police are the final
> judge of morality. Not the religious leaders.
>
They are no such thing. If that was true then there would be no court
system and besides, the law does not set moral standards. The community
does.
quasar
Not just any fear.
Nick Lilavois <no-emai...@newsgroup-only.com> wrote in message
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Richard Lewis
>--
>"N9NWO" <n9...@amsat.org> wrote in message
>news:1RJA7.520$vC5.1...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
>> : >Again, the police and military are your superiors,
>> : >they are more valuable than you.
>> :
>> : Interestingly, the police and military personnel that I know all claim
>> : that their duty os to protect and serve. They claim no superiority.
>> : They have a specific authority and a specific duty, but with those
>> : comes corresponding responsibility.
>>
>> Bullshit. From day one, during recruitment, a cop
>> is told that he was selected because he was superior.
>> Most were former high school athletes who have a
>> smug attitude anyway.
>Recriutment? You apply for the job, pass the physical, pass the training
>and get hired. It's a job, not some elitist group or club.
You apply along with a bunch of other folks....a small percentage is
selected....that alone makes it an elitist group, bro. All of life is
that way, but certain groups go out of their way to re-inforce that
mentality in their members.
If that doesn't sound correct to you, I suggest you find the local
"cop bar" and walk in some evening. If you're not a cop, you won't be
welcomed.
>>
>> As far serving and protecting, well they serve the politicians
>> and protect the system. You are expendable. If push comes
>> to shove, a cop, or a Marine, would put the life of a fellow
>> officer above that of a civilian.
>Anybody that serves and believes that does not belong in uniform.
Not exactly. That feeling of elitism is positively re-inforced and
even rewarded in the service....both police and military.
Cops think of most civilians as "suspects" while people think of cops
as elitist assholes....both are pretty much right.
If that concept of elitism wasn't there, you would have no "the few,
the proud, the Marines", and no US Army Rangers with unit tattoos.
>If you had served in my unit with that attitude I would gurantee a short
>carreer and many bruises and broken bones.
What sort of unit did you serve in, bro? You've never beat the shit
out of a Navy puke just because he was navy? You've never had a unit
tattoo or a cadence call that included the words "fuck everybody
because we're the best"?
Damned armed services must be getting soft these days if they removed
all the fun stuff :)
>>
>> And do not forget, cops are treated as more valuable by
>> the law. Just spitting on a cop is a felony. Kill a police dog
>> and it is a felony. Yet he can kill yours without reprisal.
>The cop still has to account for every round fired. If he can't justify it
>to the satisfaction of Internal Affairs he is toast.
Justify it to other cops you mean?
I can give you several cases off the top of my head....
BATF and local police raided the wrong house one night before
Christmas (the one they wanted was next door) and after an hour of
terrorizing the innocent family inside (they even discovered their
mistake within minutes of breaking the doors down but decided to use
the house as a quickie base to raid the one next door without asking
anyone), after they ripped open all the Christmas gifts under the tree
to "search" them, trashed the place entirely, one female officer
stomped the family puppy to death because it leaked on her shoe when
she kicked it.
No fine, no reprimand, no firings.
Let's see....the house of an elderly couple (in their 70s) was raided
one night because the local dipshits heard there might be some
pot....they break in with no announcements and grab the two from their
beds and manhandled them to the livingroom....when the man (almost
blind from diabetes) picked up a poker to defend his wife, they shot
him five times dead.
No arrests, no fines, no reprimands....and no pot.
Elderly gun collector (has all the proper permits including a class 3)
is brutally dragged from his bed one night by what turned out to be
plainclothed cops and BATF serving a search warrant to find out if he
had any illegal weapons. His entire gun collection in the basement
was seized (even as he was showing them the permits and paperwork on
the weapons) and three gun vaults were destroyed because he refused to
open them. In all, close to 3,000 LAWFULLY owned and licensed
firearms were taken....and he was told that he would have to bring
proof to the court that he owned them all before he could get them
back. He did so and he only received half of them back. He sued and
won, they returned a few more. He sued once more and got a few more
back. He sued once more and mysteriously got beaten by thieves who
broke into his store.
Bottom line, 112 guns still missing (the cops told the court that they
"disappeared" from the property room), a beating, a raid, several
thousand in damaged property and guess what? No fines, no reprimands,
no arrests, no shit. Even turned out that one of the cops involved
had made the anonimous call that resulted in the search warrant.
Different topic but still the same....
Cop speeding down a highway to join his friends for lunch one shift
(he admitted it)....takes a curve too fast and head-ons a 73 year old
woman in a minivan. He got four weeks payed leave to heal....she got
a coffin.
Suspect in a robbery is arrested and taken in for questioning. He
ends up with seven broken bones and a severe concussion....the tape in
the camera recording the "questioning" disappears.
Woman reports and gets a restraining order against her ex-husband for
assaulting her (two weeks hospitalized), he comes back again and she
reports again (three weeks hospitalized with a ruptured spleen), she
reports him once more....she ends up dead. He's still on the force in
Chicago....three other officers said he was drinking with them at the
time of the murder and she's not alive to testify on the previous
assaults.
Want more?
>> Hell, we had a number of cases over the last year where
>> cops gunned down unarmed civilians without reprisal.
>> Lets see you do that.
>Two words: Bernard Geotz
Ask Bernie what kind of hell the law put him through before and after
he appeared in court. Bad example, bro.
He served close to nine months in prison and received a $43 MILLION
dollar fine for defending himself against four human scum who even
testified on the stand that "they intended to rob him because he was
easy bait".
How many cops would have been convicted if they had shot the same four
human filth?
>>
>> No, they are superior to you. And the police are the final
>> judge of morality. Not the religious leaders.
>>
>They are no such thing. If that was true then there would be no court
>system and besides, the law does not set moral standards. The community
>does.
Oh there's a court system we all know. There's also a much greater
percentage of low income minorities who appear in those courts than
whites and wealthy. How many times in the past few years have you
read accounts of "racial profiling"? How many good old boys have been
let off of drunk driving charges or how many cute bimbos have been
saved a speeding ticket because the officer "used his discretion"?
How many people get waved through a sobriety checkpoint by the cops if
they have a PBA sticker on their car? I know I have several times.
Avoided speeding tickets the same way on three occasions. $25 dollar
a year ticket insurance....you can't beat it.
One study done by a major university took five black students who had
perfect driving records and stuck a "Black Panther" bumper sticker on
their cars....after a week, they had 26 tickets among them.
Courts may decide the guilt of a person....but cops decide who ends up
in court....that makes them more powerful.
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