The new wave of female firebrands striking fear into liberal America
Leroy N. Soetoro
rah-palin
Right-wing radicals are already pinning presidential ambitions on a
mother-of-five from Minnesota who calls herself a 'fool for Christ' and
condemns Obama as a socialist at the head of a gangster regime
She is a striking brunette with a decidedly outspoken attitude. She
lambasts President Barack Obama as a socialist and has become the
darling of America's right-wing activists who flock to her appearances.
She is hated by liberals and loved by conservatives.
Sarah Palin? Not quite. Meet Michele Bachmann, a Republican
congresswoman from Minnesota who is being hailed as a new and
increasingly powerful voice in American politics.
Bachmann, at 53, is a darling of the so-called Tea Party movement, which
has campaigned vociferously against healthcare reform, the economic
stimulus package and legislation to combat climate change. Her followers
have been behind mass rallies in Washington and smaller ones all over
the country. She has emerged as one of the most visible politicians in
America, frequently appearing on the conservative Fox News channel,
whose hosts often champion her causes.
She is part of an increasingly visible "female brand" of conservatism
that is rising in America in the wake of the election of Obama. They
include notable syndicated commentators such as Michelle Malkin and Ann
Coulter, whose dislike for liberals has grown ever more shrill in recent
months. And, of course, Palin herself. She is still a giant of the
political and media landscape and next week embarks on a book tour to
sell her autobiography. It has already sparked a media frenzy, with a
heavily hyped appearance on Oprah Winfrey's show, and become a huge
bestseller on pre-orders alone.
All these women express a mood of conservative discontent that is
becoming increasingly vocal and, some experts warn, extreme. The
Republicans have been kicked out of power in the White House and
Congress. The party is becoming more white and southern at the same time
as national demographic changes give power to other regions and
minorities. Many Americans are also suffering in the recession. That is
a grim picture but one that also makes many voters vulnerable to a
talented rabble-rouser. "They are tapping into grassroots frustration...
they are charging up an already highly charged group of people," said
Shaun Bowler, a political scientist at the University of California at
Riverside.
The politics espoused by Bachmann, Palin and others on the far right of
the conservative movement warn darkly of Obama's intentions. They paint
a picture of an America that is under threat from its own president.
Bachmann has spoken of the possibility of the White House setting up
"re-education camps" for America's youth. Palin once accused Obama of
"palling around" with terrorists. To the many critics of this new breed
of conservatism, people such as Bachmann and Palin are putting an
attractive female face to a very ugly brand of politics.
The crowd gathered in Washington DC on 5 November had answered
Bachmann's call. Using Fox News and her own press announcements,
Bachmann had demanded that conservative activists descend on the
nation's capital to invade the corridors of Congress and demand that
politicians stop healthcare reform. Thousands of people did just that,
showing up for a mass rally. They chanted: "We want Michele!"
Many liberals criticised the protest as a failure. But from Bachmann's
point of view that was hard to see. The move catapulted her to the front
of the Republican party as politician after politician showed up to
address the crowd. She was a fixture on cable news all day. In the short
space of a couple of years Bachmann had gone from obscure congresswoman
to national media figure.
But out in the crowd the ugly face of some modern conservatives was not
hard to find. There were 12 arrests. One protester wore a mask of House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi with handfuls of bloody foetuses. Another protester
held up a picture of piles of Jewish corpses from Dachau concentration
camp. "National Socialist Healthcare", the sign read.
Bachmann later condemned those who had made Holocaust references at the
rally. But even a cursory glance at her career reveals that this rising
star has long trafficked in some extreme positions. In October last year
Bachmann called some of her fellow congressmen anti-American. She has
said Obama holds socialist views. She has attacked global warming by
saying that carbon dioxide emissions are a natural part of the
atmosphere. "Carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas, it is a harmless gas,"
she said. She has fed into fears of a violent backlash against Obama by
saying that "having a revolution every now and then is a good thing".
She has spoken of "gangster government" in a speech viewed more than two
million times on the internet. She has dubbed Obama's plans to increase
AmeriCorps � a government volunteer service group � as a plan to
forcibly indoctrinate young people. "I believe there is a very strong
chance that we will see young people put into mandatory service...
there are provisions for what I would call re-education camps for young
people," she told an interviewer. Her language in opposing healthcare
reform has been bloodcurdling. At a recent event in Colorado she told
her audience: "What we have to do today is make a covenant, to slit our
wrists, be blood brothers on this thing. This will not pass. We will do
whatever it takes to make sure this doesn't pass." She is also extremely
socially conservative, strongly opposing abortion and gay marriage, and
deeply religious. She has described herself as a "fool for Christ".
Such extreme statements and beliefs have made Bachmann a figure of both
fun and fear among liberal Americans, especially in her home state of
Minnesota. "It is hard to think that people take her seriously. But on a
national level it is happening. It scares me," said Aaron Landry, a
senior correspondent at MNpublius.com, a Minnesota-based politics blog.
But what makes liberal Americans laugh or cry has got the conservative
wing of the Republican party extremely excited. In an article that sent
shockwaves through America's political classes, top conservative
newspaper columnist George Will recently wrote a piece anointing
Bachmann as a new star of the movement. "Some of her supposed excesses
are... not merely defensible, they are admirable," Will wrote. It is
easy to see why Bachmann is being so enthusiastically embraced by
conservatives. The high profile of Palin showed the impact a
charismatic, young conservative woman could have on the right wing of
the Republican party.
"Politics on the right used to be a parlour game played by old, white
men," said Bowler. Palin changed that and Bachmann has followed. They
have replaced the dulcet tones of grey-haired Washington senators with
Midwestern vowels and Alaskan twangs. They have risen swiftly through
careers forged a long way from Washington, wearing their outsider label
as a badge of pride. They have given conservatism the look of a
middle-American suburban soccer mom with first-hand experience of
raising a family in tough times.
That is certainly much of Bachmann's appeal. She was born in Iowa and
then moved to Minnesota. When her parents divorced, her mother was left
to fend for herself. Bachmann has known what it means to scrimp and save
to get by. But she made a success of herself. She and her husband now
run a small business in mental health and she is the mother of five
children. She has also given foster care to a staggering 23 kids.
Political legend has it that her career began when she spoke out at a
local Republican party meeting after her state senator had shifted his
politics in a liberal direction. When asked by others in the crowd if
she herself should try to unseat the incumbent, she gave a speech that
so excited those assembled that she was plunged into the race, which she
went on to win. It was the unlikely start of a career that has now come
to national prominence.
But Bachmann � and Palin too � are more than just individual
politicians. They have come to represent a mass social movement that
stretches far beyond just turning up on election day. It is no
coincidence that both Palin and Bachmann have inspired lines of
T-shirts, coffee mugs and action figures for their fans to snap up. That
movement first made its appearance during John McCain's rallies after he
picked Palin for his running mate in the 2008 election. The choice
electrified what had been a fairly moribund campaign. Suddenly crowds of
thousands were turning out to Republican rallies, as well as Democratic
ones. They were there to see Palin, not McCain.
Palin's brand of homespun wisdom, rooted in uber-patriotism and killer
heels, was a breath of fresh air that conservatives had been looking
for. So were unashamedly conservative views and a willingness to state
bluntly what she thought about Democrats. Palin's subsequent
self-destruction in a series of media interviews only served to make her
more popular.
Indeed, to examine the impact of both Palin and Bachmann is to see an
America split firmly into two different worlds. The first is a liberal
one where such politicians make outlandish comments that become the butt
of jokes on the Daily Show or Saturday Night Live. The other is one
where Palin and Bachmann are the victims of a liberal media that hates
its own country. "For their supporters, attacking Palin and Bachmann
actually gives them the proof that they are the victims that they
already believe themselves to be," said Bowler. To the conservative
mind-set, these women are truth-tellers who are viciously attacked
precisely because of the validity of the message that they are carrying.
That side of the great American divide is about to get a prolonged
period in the sun. This week Palin begins her book tour, touting her
autobiography. It is already a massive hit and leaks have hit the
internet, generating stories and gossip. Palin is set to talk about her
feelings about her daughter's pregnancy, dish dirt on McCain and his
aides and slam the very same media that once slammed her. Her tour is
like a mini political campaign. She and her family are set to travel by
bus across America as she shuttles from stop to stop. She is also
shunning large cities such as New York and instead going to small towns
and out-of-the-way states.
It is a stunning reversal of the situation after the McCain-Palin ticket
lost, when McCain's staff tried to distance themselves from Palin and
blame her for the defeat. But now McCain, hated by many conservatives,
has retreated quietly to the Senate, while Palin powers from strength to
strength.
But the political future is not likely to belong to Palin. The trouncing
that she received in the media during the presidential election campaign
and the fact she currently holds no office have rendered her political
power symbolic. Though it is not impossible, it is hard to imagine Palin
launching a credible run in 2012. But what she has done is pave the way
for an extremist conservative candidate to emerge as the Republican
nominee. The excitement coursing through the conservative movement, and
the power wielded by its media stars such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn
Beck, has made selecting any sort of moderate very difficult.
Palin's legacy could be to place the 2012 nomination in the hands of the
people who supported her. Could that recipient be Bachmann? It is an
outside bet. But Bachmann has spoken of it, couching the question in
religious terms that are deeply familiar and beloved of her followers.
"If I felt that's what the Lord was calling me to do, I would do it,"
she told one conservative website of her potential presidential
ambitions. Such comments have filled liberals with scorn and fear. "Most
people don't think she can have presidential ambitions. She's too
crazy," said Landry. "But a lot of people in Alaska thought that about
Sarah Palin."
--
Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact to
Rangel's tax evasion.
Sweet Sue
wrote:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/15/michele-bachmann-presiden...
..and I *suppose* we should all be " very afraid" LOL. What a bunch
of whiney cowards and chickenhawks desperately searching for a new
leader for their " I want MY America back " teabagger rallies
sponsored by the GOP and their good friends the multi-national
corporate aristocrats who received billion dollar bailouts and do not
give a hoot that 47+ million Americans are without healthcare access
or insurance. So what, they say. They get bailed out the the rest can
go croak.
Harold Burton
<4e0b4b36-4d6c-4484...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Sweet Sue <suea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What a bunch of whiney cowards...
> ....and do not give a hoot that 47+ million Americans are without
> healthcare access or insurance. So what, they say. They get bailed
> out the the rest can go croak.
Talk about whiney!
Snicker
Sweet Sue
> In article
> <4e0b4b36-4d6c-4484-9a76-84f167f57...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> Sweet Sue <sueag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What a bunch of whiney cowards...
> > ....and do not give a hoot that 47+ million Americans are without
> > healthcare access or insurance. So what, they say. They get bailed
> > out the the rest can go croak.
>
> Talk about whiney!
>
> Snicker
The teabaggers and their sorry excuse for leaders, such as bachmann,
are little more than willing tools of powerful corporate interests who
have robbed America of it's wealth and destroyed he remnants of what
was once known as the middle class. Without jobs, housing and medical
care, they are non--persons and the situation is not improving. For
America to rebuild itself, we must have jobs which pay a living wage,
affordable housing and healthcare. To oppose this hurts millions of
decent hardworking Americans with families, many of whom are homeless
and by invoking God into her logic, she thinks she is righteous and
leading a crusade against those "socialists " as she calls them, who
take issue with her decision to harm her fellow human beings for
corporate earnings.
Remember when Cheney referred to the evangicals as the " crazies in
the basement.." . Even he knew that they were easily
manipulated.Waging war against other people by denying them healthcare
is a godless thing to do.
Gunner Asch
<leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>All these women express a mood of conservative discontent that is
>becoming increasingly vocal and, some experts warn, extreme. The
>Republicans have been kicked out of power in the White House and
>Congress. The party is becoming more white and southern
Minnesota is in the South?
When the fuck did they move it?
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton
Gunner Asch
wrote:
I see Palin and other Conservatives are starting to scare the shit out
of Leftards like Sour Sue.
Good!
We wanna see you sweat before the crowds grab you and hang you by the
neck from the nearest horizontal surface.
Spandau Ballet...Ill be Sour Sues parents didnt think she could do the
Spandau Ballet.
Bret Cahill
> >of whiney cowards and chickenhawks desperately searching for a new
> >leader for their " I want MY America back " teabagger rallies
> >sponsored by the GOP and their good friends the multi-national
> >corporate aristocrats who received billion dollar bailouts and do not
> >give a hoot that 47+ million Americans are without healthcare access
> >or insurance. So what, they say. They get bailed out the the rest can
> >go croak.
> I see Palin and other Conservatives are starting to scare the shit out
> of Leftards like Sour Sue.
> Good!
Better start purgin' them moderates like Charlie Crist or Palin won't
be able to get rightardopia to break out.
> We wanna see you sweat before the crowds grab you and hang you by the
> neck from the nearest horizontal surface.
Try not to spree, but if you do spree, try to do the suicide thingy
first.
Bret Cahill
HH&C
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:37:38 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
>
> >All these women express a mood of conservative discontent that is
> >becoming increasingly vocal and, some experts warn, extreme. The
> >Republicans have been kicked out of power in the White House and
> >Congress. The party is becoming more white and southern
>
> Minnesota is in the South?
>
> When the fuck did they move it?
>
> Gunner
Both of these books should help that British author.
These should help
http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Know-Much-About-Geography/dp/0380713799/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258595582&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Maps-Mark-Monmonier/dp/0226534219/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258595451&sr=1-1
Harold Burton
<9d77924e-0c05-456a...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Sweet Sue <suea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 18, 2:18�pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <4e0b4b36-4d6c-4484-9a76-84f167f57...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > �Sweet Sue <sueag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What a bunch of whiney cowards...
> The teabaggers and their sorry excuse for leaders, such as bachmann,
> are little more than willing tools of powerful corporate interests who
> have robbed America of it's wealth and destroyed he (sic) remnants of
> what was once known as the middle class. Without jobs, housing and
> medical care, they are non--persons and the situation is not improving.
Talk about whiney!
Snicker.
MACK DADDY
wrote:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/15/michele-bachmann-presiden...
>
> read more »
These are some examples of why the Republitard party is dead!
Gunner Asch
<BretC...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >..and I *suppose* we should all be " very afraid" � LOL. �What a bunch
>> >of whiney cowards and chickenhawks desperately searching for a new
>> >leader for their " I want MY America back " teabagger rallies
>> >sponsored by the GOP and their good friends the multi-national
>> >corporate aristocrats who received billion dollar bailouts �and do not
>> >give a hoot that 47+ million Americans are without healthcare access
>> >or insurance. So what, they say. They get bailed out the the rest can
>> >go croak.
>
>> I see Palin and other Conservatives are starting to scare the shit out
>> of Leftards like Sour Sue.
>
>> Good!
>
>Better start purgin' them moderates like Charlie Crist or Palin won't
>be able to get rightardopia to break out.
Palin is nothing more than a potential leader. <G> And if the People
pick her..nothing Charlie Crist can say is gonna stop em.
>
>> We wanna see you sweat before the crowds grab �you and hang you by the
>> neck from the nearest horizontal surface.
>
>Try not to spree, but if you do spree, try to do the suicide thingy
>first.
Well shucks Bret, but you will likely be doing the Spandau Ballet your
own self..so dont worry about the rest of of the People. Just about
trying to get air into your lungs as the noose tightens and your throat
closes down.
>
>
>Bret Cahill
Gunner Asch
Indeed...he certainly needs em both.
Gunner Asch
Sure its not an example of why the Democratic party will soon have dead
members?
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> In article
> <da19c09d-df18-4b97...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> Bret Cahill <BretC...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> >In article <dl89g5t7v5dn55497...@4ax.com>, Gunner Asch
>>> ><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> >..and I *suppose* we should all be " very afraid" LOL. What a
>>> >bunch of whiney cowards and chickenhawks desperately searching for a
>>> >new leader for their " I want MY America back " teabagger rallies
>>> >sponsored by the GOP and their good friends the multi-national
>>> >corporate aristocrats who received billion dollar bailouts and do
>>> >not give a hoot that 47+ million Americans are without healthcare
>>> >access or insurance. So what, they say. They get bailed out the the
>>> >rest can go croak.
>>
>>> I see Palin and other Conservatives are starting to scare the shit out
>>> of Leftards like Sour Sue.
>>
>>> Good!
>>
>>Better start purgin' them moderates like Charlie Crist or Palin won't be
>>able to get rightardopia to break out.
>
> Lucky for him his Republican masters aren't dumb enough to allow Palin
> to gain the nomination, they know it would result in a bigger Democratic
> landslide than the LBJ/Goldwater race in '64.
Who do the Republicans have to run in 2012?
Bobby Jindal
Mark Sanford
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
John Ensign
Newt Gringich
Rudy Gulliani
Glen Beck
Rush Limbaugh
Tom Coburn
Jeb Bush
Mitch McConnell
Michael Steele
John Boehner
Joe Liebermann
David Duke
Randall Terry
Liz Cheney
Condoleeza Rice
Would you vote any of them into the White House?
Republicans: "The Party of Neanderthals and proud of it!"
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2012 Run, Rudy, Run! 2012
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>In article
><da19c09d-df18-4b97...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Bret
>Cahill <BretC...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> >In article <dl89g5t7v5dn55497...@4ax.com>, Gunner Asch
>>> ><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> >..and I *suppose* we should all be " very afraid" � LOL. �What a bunch
>>> >of whiney cowards and chickenhawks desperately searching for a new
>>> >leader for their " I want MY America back " teabagger rallies
>>> >sponsored by the GOP and their good friends the multi-national
>>> >corporate aristocrats who received billion dollar bailouts �and do not
>>> >give a hoot that 47+ million Americans are without healthcare access
>>> >or insurance. So what, they say. They get bailed out the the rest can
>>> >go croak.
>>
>>> I see Palin and other Conservatives are starting to scare the shit out
>>> of Leftards like Sour Sue.
>>
>>> Good!
>>
>>Better start purgin' them moderates like Charlie Crist or Palin won't
>>be able to get rightardopia to break out.
>
>Lucky for him his Republican masters aren't dumb enough to allow Palin to
>gain the nomination, they know it would result in a bigger Democratic
>landslide than the LBJ/Goldwater race in '64.
If you are wrong..will you be slicing your wrists or swallowing poison?
We know what you leftards thing bout guns..so shooting yourself is out.
Laugh laugh laugh
Or will you perish during the Great Cull?
hal
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/15/michele-bachmann-president-sa
>rah-palin
>
>Right-wing radicals are already pinning presidential ambitions on a
>mother-of-five from Minnesota who calls herself a 'fool for Christ' and
>condemns Obama as a socialist at the head of a gangster regime
BWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gahdam! You people are a fucking hoot !
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
The big picture.
She has 20% approval rating.
Thats worse than even the Smirk.
LOL.
Coffee in Madrid
Can't wait to see her lifting babies in front of the Afghan people.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
From the Left.
Care to provide cites for her approval ratings from everyone else?
Or should I simply say that the Obamassiah has an approval rating of 2%
and you will believe it?
>
>Thats worse than even the Smirk.
>
>LOL.
Ill be waiting for valid cites on her approval ratings.
Leave the Huffy Post out of it..its simply a leftwing blog.
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
No matter.
The ratings will always be the same no matter when or who.
The media will crush her in the end. Its the American way.
Coffee in Alaskastan
Gunner Asch
wrote:
So you are unable to back up your claim?
No problem
The Obamassiah has a 2% approval rating
Read it and weep
<G>
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
The media is her friend now...
... but the media will be her UN-DOING when it comes to doing any REAL
"thinking" and matters of REAL global-politics.
Coffee in The media
Observer
Perhaps, he'll just smoke himself to death?
>Laugh laugh laugh
Indeed.
__
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
Observer
Er, NeoCons ARE leftists. Far far from anything conservative.
>Good!
>
>We wanna see you sweat before the crowds grab you and hang you by the
>neck from the nearest horizontal surface.
>
>Spandau Ballet...Ill be Sour Sues parents didnt think she could do the
>Spandau Ballet.
>
>
>Gunner
>
>"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
>I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
> Unknown Usnet Poster
>
>Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
> Keyton
__
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Which "media" are you refering to? Leftwing or Rightwing?
Chuckle....
Gunner
>
>Coffee in The media
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
Both.
Her yap will do herself in. lol.
> Chuckle....
Indeed.
Coffee in *THE* media
Gunner Asch
wrote:
As Obama's is doing himself in.
Chuckle indeed.
>
>> Chuckle....
>
>Indeed.
>
>Coffee in *THE* media
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
Sweet Sue
wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:14:52 -0600, denni...@dennism3.invalid (Dennis M)
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <da19c09d-df18-4b97-8fe8-0df1a82e9...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> > Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >In article <dl89g5t7v5dn55497lu0e8vihpss735...@4ax.com>, Gunner Asch
> 2012 Run, Rudy, Run! 2012
>
> - Show quoted text -
the republicon party truly is the party of the rich white chubsters
and their flunkies.
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
... as seen ONLY on the 20% Rightwing media.
Sarah shields herself onstage dangling babies in front of cameras. tsk
tsk.
The clear MAJORITY of THINKERS and Independent swing voters who deal
with the REAL issues and political solutions... won't be reading her
selfish baby-dangling drivel.
> Chuckle indeed.
> >
> >> Chuckle....
> >
> >Indeed.
Chuckles indeed.
Coffee, without sugar
MACK DADDY
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:57:40 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>
>
>
>
>
> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 18, 8:41 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:37:38 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
>
> >> <leroysoet...@usurper.org> wrote:
> >> >All these women express a mood of conservative discontent that is
> >> >becoming increasingly vocal and, some experts warn, extreme. The
> >> >Republicans have been kicked out of power in the White House and
> >> >Congress. The party is becoming more white and southern
>
> >> Minnesota is in the South?
>
> >> When the fuck did they move it?
>
> >> Gunner
>
> >Both of these books should help that British author.
>
> >These should help
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Maps-Mark-Monmonier/dp/0226534219/ref=s...
>
> Indeed...he certainly needs em both.
>
> Gunner
>
> "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
> I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
> Unknown Usnet Poster
>
> Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Must be a Republitard if he has no nads.
MACK DADDY
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:14:52 -0600, denni...@dennism3.invalid (Dennis M)
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <da19c09d-df18-4b97-8fe8-0df1a82e9...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> > Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> 2012 Run, Rudy, Run! 2012
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's a nice long list of total losers!
Lefty
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:42:37 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:21:31 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:48:38 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:14:22 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>
Speaking of dogs, have you strangled another one yet?
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
If American puts another Republican in the White House it truly is the
end of the world as we know it.
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
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Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Nov 18, 10:54�pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>
The Demonrat party truly is the party of the rich white Marxists and
their enslaved flunkies.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Odd...you reading the Huffington Post as some sort of data point?
If so..they have it wrong. 20% of the nation is Leftists, 70% of the
country is conservative.
And there will be a great shortage of Leftists in less than 3 yrs.
>
>Sarah shields herself onstage dangling babies in front of cameras. tsk
>tsk.
>
>The clear MAJORITY of THINKERS and Independent swing voters who deal
>with the REAL issues and political solutions... won't be reading her
>selfish baby-dangling drivel.
Chuckle. So where will you be moving, or will you stay to be killed?
<G>
Gunner
>
>> Chuckle indeed.
>> >
>> >> Chuckle....
>> >
>> >Indeed.
>
>Chuckles indeed.
>
>Coffee, without sugar
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
Gunner Asch
So Leftard...my address is 326 Olive Ave, Taft, California, 93268
Come visit and find out which one of us has nads. Put your id in your
sock so the next of kin can be notified of your passing.
<G>
When can I expect you?
Hummmm?
Gunner Asch
When will you be showing up?
Lets see how big a loser you really are.
<G>
Ill be waiting
Curly Surmudgeon
>>So Leftard...my address is 326 Olive Ave, Taft, California, 93268
Is that the ranch Gummer so often speaks of? The one where he was most
recently going down to work on the "South 40"?
Or is the one where he hid after promising to visit Deucalion and beat
him up?
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:46:38 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:19:06 -0500, Deucalion <som...@nowhere.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>So Leftard...my address is 326 Olive Ave, Taft, California, 93268
>>
>>Is that the ranch Gummer so often speaks of? The one where he was most
>>recently going down to work on the "South 40"?
>>
>>Or is the one where he hid after promising to visit Deucalion and beat
>>him up?
>
> Google Earth provides a very nice street view of it. I keep trying to
> find a path between all those mobile homes/tract houses for his 1000
> yard firing range he claims to have from the back deck that he hangs his
> dogs from.
To be fair I think it was his front porch where the dog was hung to death
with a choker collar.
> Doesn't California have a law against discharging a firearm within 100
> ft. of an occupied dwelling?
Not to my knowledge.
> Wouldn't his neighbors who belong to gangs start shooting back?
Hopefully.
> I think he not be telling the truth. I know that when he makes a "name
> the time and location" challenge to meet someone and show them what a
> man he is that he is bluffing. I proved it to him, so he ran and hid
> like the little girl that he is.
That* is the pivotal definition of a usenet wanker. A definition shared
by Bob Milby, AKA "Patriot Games" who hid when his death threat was
challenged.
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
Typical of the far-right to want to "kill" me.
They always want to "kick OTHER peoples asses" instead of their own,
which they can never find without a good book.
> >> Chuckle indeed.
> >> >
> >> >> Chuckle....
> >> >
> >> >Indeed.
> >
> >Chuckles indeed.
Chuckles bigtime.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>>
>> Chuckle. So where will you be moving, or will you stay to be killed?
>
>Typical of the far-right to want to "kill" me.
>
>They always want to "kick OTHER peoples asses" instead of their own,
>which they can never find without a good book.
Frankly..I dont want to kill anyone. And Im rather against it in fact.
But others will be killing off the Leftwing in less than 3 yrs.
And Ill be sitting on the front porch, playing riffs on the banjo while
listening to the body counts mount.
Shrug..make up your mind if you wish to leave the nation, or simply die.
Shrug again...makes no difference to me
Gunner Asch
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:57:47 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Chuckle. So where will you be moving, or will you stay to be killed?
> >
> >Typical of the far-right to want to "kill" me.
> >
> >They always want to "kick OTHER peoples asses" instead of their own,
> >which they can never find without a good book.
>
> Frankly..I dont want to kill anyone. And Im rather against it in fact.
Thank goodness SOMEONE in here makes some sense.
> But others will be killing off the Leftwing in less than 3 yrs.
Ypu must be referring to the militant extremist right-wingers? You will
always have a left-wing... no matter how hard "they" try.
Remember the Reformation?
> Shrug..make up your mind if you wish to leave the nation, or simply die.
I care too much for the US to let it happen.
As for "dying"... at least not yet. I still got 20 or 30 years. Want to
see how close the ocean gets to my house' foundation.
Coffee in Mazatlan
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>In article <bisdg5lq0jkjq2b7e...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:57:47 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Chuckle. So where will you be moving, or will you stay to be killed?
>> >
>> >Typical of the far-right to want to "kill" me.
>> >
>> >They always want to "kick OTHER peoples asses" instead of their own,
>> >which they can never find without a good book.
>>
>> Frankly..I dont want to kill anyone. And Im rather against it in fact.
>
>Thank goodness SOMEONE in here makes some sense.
Ive killed or have been responsible for the deaths of ..hummm..about
400-500 people..and sometimes the 4am nightmares tend to break up a
peaceful sleep. Even after 25 yrs.
>
>> But others will be killing off the Leftwing in less than 3 yrs.
>
>Ypu must be referring to the militant extremist right-wingers? You will
>always have a left-wing... no matter how hard "they" try.
Actually...no..Im not. The American Revolutionary war was fought by
aprox 10% of the "colonials"..and the majority of those were hardly
"extremist rightwingers". In fact..I figure that a significant amount
of those will be close to center Democrats AND Republicans, who have
been disposessed from their homes and are living in their cars, camp
grounds and so forth.
The Leftwing Extremists make hay about all the people (conservatives)
who are bailing out of the Republican party..but they try desperately to
avoid talking about all the Democrats (conservatives) who are also
bailing out of their now controlled by Marxists party.
Democrats who had voted for Hopey and Changy..and were
disappointed..disgusted by what they found out to have voted for.
I know quite a few Dems in my area alone, that are reloading ammo,
sharpening their knives and collecting rope, tools needed to wipe out
the far leftwing extremist fringe kooks that now control the DNC.
Shrug...its gonna suck to be a Leftwinger soon..very soon.
>
>Remember the Reformation?
No..Im not that old..but..Ive read up on it.
>
>> Shrug..make up your mind if you wish to leave the nation, or simply die.
>
>I care too much for the US to let it happen.
Shrug..then grab a gun and terminate a leftwing extremist when the
balloon goes up.
>
>As for "dying"... at least not yet. I still got 20 or 30 years. Want to
>see how close the ocean gets to my house' foundation.
>
>Coffee in Mazatlan
Shrug...I hope you have taken steps. Frankly..if you are anything like
the usual run of Liberal puke...you will suddenly realize that calling
the cops really wont stop them from dragging you out and hanging you by
the neck until dead.
But hey...everyone loves to watch suprise on retarded childrens faces!
Gunner
MACK DADDY
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:58:49 -0800, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com>
> 2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's laughable that anyone thinks Sarah Palin is presidential. The
only White House position she is worthy of is bringing Barack his
morning coffee!
MACK DADDY
Violence! That is always the Republitards answer to everything! I'm
too mature and clear-thinking to stoop to that level of STUPIDITY!
MACK DADDY
>
> - Show quoted text -
You just showed yourself to be a loser by posting a threat on the
world wide web. Mighty macho of you!
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
I see you have an itchy trigger finger waiting to go.
Are you preparing for a NeoCivil American war 2.0?
Or how about a gov't coup with pitchforks.
People will be too busy surviving when the shit hits the fan. Might be
good for community-building in the long run. Might have to resort to
intelligence and cooperation.
Coffee in Saskatoon
Gunner Asch
wrote:
I see your reading comprehension issues are yet to be resolved. Or are
you simply criminally stupid? What part of Sitting on my porch etc etc
did you fail to underdstand?
>
>Are you preparing for a NeoCivil American war 2.0?
Actually..yes, I am.
>
>Or how about a gov't coup with pitchforks.
Coup? No.
>
>People will be too busy surviving when the shit hits the fan. Might be
>good for community-building in the long run. Might have to resort to
>intelligence and cooperation.
>
>Coffee in Saskatoon
Indeed. Well..the Leftards will be scrambling hard to find a place to
hide. Too bad the voting records are easy to acess as are Usenet posts
and what have you.
Im sure some regular asshole Liberals will also be terminated, when they
are turned on by their victims..but...its hard to tell an asshole
Lieberal from a Leftwinger anyways..so...shrug...
Gunner Asch
You keep posting your opinions. Is there some reason you think anyone
cares what it is?
Gunner Asch
That means in less than 3 yrs..you will be a dead man.
Good.
Gunner Asch
Which threat was that? Specifics if you would be so kind.
<VBG>
I will be waiting, pussieboi
Laugh laugh laugh
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
Indeed.
With all these paranoid rightards everywhere... it might be better for
you just to shoot them all just to make sure.
Watch out though, some may be disguised as Americans.
Have fun planning your Arms-aggheddon.
I'm going towards the healthy alternative.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
All whom? Since the Leftwinger dont believe in guns..they wont have any
so the shooters will be anyone to the right of Far Leftwing Extremist
Fringe Kooks. You know..DNC party heads, lawyers, teachers..the usual
bunch of fanatics. I know Democrats who are planning on shooting those
Lefties, if the balloon goes up. Shrug..Not all Democrats are evil
Socialist/progressive/marxists. Just a significant number of them.
>
>Watch out though, some may be disguised as Americans.
Indeed. But since they are Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks..ie
Socialist/progressive/marxists..thats all they are..disguised as
Americans.
>
>Have fun planning your Arms-aggheddon.
Mine? You really ARE stupid. Ive told you repeatedly Ill be sitting on
my porch, banjo in hand, listening to the mounting body counts on the
radio. Fascinating. You are either drunk or retarded. Which is it?
>
>I'm going towards the healthy alternative.
Cuba or Canada?
Sweet Sue
> In article <2nqeg5t4jelh3j3dabnu74erlndg1ks...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:57:00 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> > >> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:07:52 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> > >> wrote:
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
did you know the rightwing wackos are calling for the overthrow of the
government? Billboards are appearing in various states:
www.thinkprogress.org
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> >> >Are you preparing for a NeoCivil American war 2.0?
> >>
> >> Actually..yes, I am.
> >With all these paranoid rightards everywhere... it might be better for
> >you just to shoot them all just to make sure.
>
> All whom? Since the Leftwinger dont believe in guns..
Then what are you afraid of... words?
If they don't have guns... why be so paranoid of a few little leftists
scattered around your yard.
> >Have fun planning your Arms-aggheddon.
>
> Mine?
You said it yourself:
> >> >Are you preparing for a NeoCivil American war 2.0?
> >>
> >> Actually..yes, I am.
I'm starting to think it is yourself that is the "extremist".
> >I'm going towards the healthy alternative.
>
> Cuba or Canada?
Healthy is a state of being. Its not "owned" by any nation or political
party. It just is.
Trick is to root-out the sickness so you can see people for their
similarities and not their differences.
I know... its hard for some to just drop ones bias's and be able to move
on - change towards a healthier state of being.
Sad thing is... you'll probably snap-back with your usual "leftsist
extremist" response, with not much in the way of actual
thought-progression or solution-building dialogue.
Enjoy curling up on your porch with your lefty-ghosts.
Make sure you banjo is in tune.
Happy Arm-aggheddon.
Lefty
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:29:39 -0800, Gunner Asch
> called? Trying to be the big bully after having had your ass handed
> to you doesn't work very well. I'm a little surprised that you would
> try it.
>
> BTW, you admitted a couple of weeks ago to not having enough nads to
> keep the ladies happy.
>
>
>
> ><G>
>
> <BSEG>
>
>
>
> >When can I expect you?
>
He only gave his business address, anyway, knowing the other employees
would protect him if anyone showed up. It's called Coyote Engineering
and googling his stupid name brings it up, so he's not giving out any
info that isn't already known.
His home address is easy enough to find, though. But who would give
enough of a shit about him to bother going to a horse-assed town like
Taft just to kick his fat nazi ass? I'm guessing nobody.
Lefty
wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:19:06 -0500, Deucalion <some...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >>So Leftard...my address is 326 Olive Ave, Taft, California, 93268
>
> Is that the ranch Gummer so often speaks of? The one where he was most
> recently going down to work on the "South 40"?
>
> Or is the one where he hid after promising to visit Deucalion and beat
> him up?
It's the engineering firm where he works, Chickenshit won't give out
his home address, naturally, but it's easy to find. For somebody
addicted to making limp-dicked threats, he sure doesn't cover his
tracks well. He already knows his business addy is out there, since I
told him I had easily found it, so he's pretending to be brave by
giving out info that's already available.
What a dullwit.
Lefty
wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:16:50 -0500, Deucalion <some...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:46:38 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
>
> >>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:19:06 -0500, Deucalion <some...@nowhere.net>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>>So Leftard...my address is 326 Olive Ave, Taft, California, 93268
>
> >>Is that the ranch Gummer so often speaks of? The one where he was most
> >>recently going down to work on the "South 40"?
>
> >>Or is the one where he hid after promising to visit Deucalion and beat
> >>him up?
>
> > Google Earth provides a very nice street view of it. I keep trying to
> > find a path between all those mobile homes/tract houses for his 1000
> > yard firing range he claims to have from the back deck that he hangs his
> > dogs from.
>
> To be fair I think it was his front porch where the dog was hung to death
> with a choker collar.
>
> > Doesn't California have a law against discharging a firearm within 100
> > ft. of an occupied dwelling?
>
> Not to my knowledge.
>
> > Wouldn't his neighbors who belong to gangs start shooting back?
>
> Hopefully.
>
> > I think he not be telling the truth. I know that when he makes a "name
> > the time and location" challenge to meet someone and show them what a
> > man he is that he is bluffing. I proved it to him, so he ran and hid
> > like the little girl that he is.
>
> That* is the pivotal definition of a usenet wanker. A definition shared
> by Bob Milby, AKA "Patriot Games" who hid when his death threat was
> challenged.
Milby and Asch are like twins. It's hard to decide who is the dumbest.
Lefty
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:07:52 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:57:47 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> Chuckle. So where will you be moving, or will you stay to be killed?
>
> >> >Typical of the far-right to want to "kill" me.
>
> >> >They always want to "kick OTHER peoples asses" instead of their own,
> >> >which they can never find without a good book.
>
> >> Frankly..I dont want to kill anyone. And Im rather against it in fact.
>
> >Thank goodness SOMEONE in here makes some sense.
>
> Ive killed or have been responsible for the deaths of ..hummm..about
> 400-500 people..
Pathetic lie. You only kill helpless dogs, coward. Don't even try to
claim a classic Section 8 like you was ever in combat.
>and sometimes the 4am nightmares tend to break up a
> peaceful sleep. Even after 25 yrs.
Or it would, if it were true and if you had a conscience.
Curly Surmudgeon
Milby and Asch are dumb and mean. If you limit the criteria to dumb then
you'd have to put RONSERESURPLUS at the top of the list.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Everyone will LOVE this one....
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>In article <qt4fg5ddhoqcb7lm7...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> >> >Are you preparing for a NeoCivil American war 2.0?
>> >>
>> >> Actually..yes, I am.
>
>> >With all these paranoid rightards everywhere... it might be better for
>> >you just to shoot them all just to make sure.
>>
>> All whom? Since the Leftwinger dont believe in guns..
>
>Then what are you afraid of... words?
>If they don't have guns... why be so paranoid of a few little leftists
>scattered around your yard.
No..they control the government..and thats what Everyone is afraid of.
Marxists controlling and changing a democratic republic. Unless you are
a marxist..that should scare the shit out of you.
>
>> >Have fun planning your Arms-aggheddon.
>>
>> Mine?
>
>You said it yourself:
I said I was going to be sitting on the porch, banjo in hand, listening
to the growing body counts.
You really ARE a stup, arncha. Pity.
>
>> >> >Are you preparing for a NeoCivil American war 2.0?
>> >>
>> >> Actually..yes, I am.
>
>I'm starting to think it is yourself that is the "extremist".
I already understand that you are the Extremist Far Leftwing Fringe
Kook.
Shrug.
>
>> >I'm going towards the healthy alternative.
>>
>> Cuba or Canada?
>
>Healthy is a state of being. Its not "owned" by any nation or political
>party. It just is.
Really? Then whats Obama fucking around with it for?
>
>Trick is to root-out the sickness so you can see people for their
>similarities and not their differences.
And thats why the Great Cull will happen..and soon.
Because those to be culled are dangerous to the People and the Nation.
>
>I know... its hard for some to just drop ones bias's and be able to move
>on - change towards a healthier state of being.
We have tried that since FDR..so..its into the mass graves with you.
>
>Sad thing is... you'll probably snap-back with your usual "leftsist
>extremist" response, with not much in the way of actual
>thought-progression or solution-building dialogue.
>
So blue isnt really blue..its chartruse polkadots?
>Enjoy curling up on your porch with your lefty-ghosts.
Lefty Ghosts? My dogs and cats are lefty ghosts????
>
>Make sure you banjo is in tune.
It usually is <G>
>
>Happy Arm-aggheddon.
<G>
So..have you decided to move to Cuba or simply stay and die?
MACK DADDY
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your opinions mean NUTHIN!
Gunner Asch
Of course they dont. Nor do yours.
On the other hand..I rather suspect far more people approve of my
opinion, than do yours.
Which of course means absolutely nothing.
On the other hand...a very very large portion of those People will be
hunting down and killing you and your ilk in less than 3 yrs.
Shrug...so while neither one of our opinions mean shit..you will be
dead, and I wont. Not for quite a number of years actually. Long long
after you have been reduced to bone and memory.
Works for me. Shrug
And there is nothing you can do about it. Well..Canada or Cuba might
take you.
Shrug again
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> Marxists
Enough said. Anyone else?
> I said I was going to be sitting on the porch, banjo in hand, listening
> to the growing body counts.
Ya right. you'll be grabbing for your gun if the zombies running up your
lawn looking to their left, disguised as americans. lol
> >> >> Actually..yes, I am.
Theres the proof, folks.
> whats Obama fucking around with it for?
He's trying to get you morons out of the stone-age pharmcological empire
of greed where US is No. 39 in the world re: healthcare.
Instead, you guys would be up the ladder to No. 1 possibly.
> >Trick is to root-out the sickness so you can see people for their
> >similarities and not their differences.
>
> And thats why the Great Cull will happen..and soon.
You'd like that would you. Dream on.
> so..its into the mass graves with you.
Is that your Final Solution?
ROTFLMAO... what a nazi.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>In article <f2ogg515d1fbaetrp...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> Marxists
>
>Enough said. Anyone else?
>
>> I said I was going to be sitting on the porch, banjo in hand, listening
>> to the growing body counts.
>
>Ya right. you'll be grabbing for your gun if the zombies running up your
>lawn looking to their left, disguised as americans. lol
Wouldnt you? Actually..those people running up your lawn will be there
to execute you. Count on it.
>
>> >> >> Actually..yes, I am.
>
>Theres the proof, folks.
>
>> whats Obama fucking around with it for?
>
>He's trying to get you morons out of the stone-age pharmcological empire
>of greed where US is No. 39 in the world re: healthcare.
>
>Instead, you guys would be up the ladder to No. 1 possibly.
>
>> >Trick is to root-out the sickness so you can see people for their
>> >similarities and not their differences.
>>
>> And thats why the Great Cull will happen..and soon.
>
>You'd like that would you. Dream on.
The clock is ticking. <VBG>
>
>> so..its into the mass graves with you.
>
>Is that your Final Solution?
>
>ROTFLMAO... what a nazi.
So Comrade..the Nazis murdered 8 million..the Communists murdered 175
million. Are you claiming you are superior because you murdered more?
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
HH&C
Pacifist: a person who has never won a fight and therefore thinks
that violence never solves anything.
MACK DADDY
Once again you Republitards always have to talk about violence and
make threats. You know that's a sure sign of weak ideas!
MACK DADDY
>
> - Show quoted text -
You can potentially win a fight without actually winning what it was
that you were fighting for. Kickin someones ass is no guarantee of
anything except maybe you'll end up in jail.
Gunner Asch
What threat did I make? Be specific.
And violence..well..thats a Leftwing thing. Our prisons are filled with
violent leftwingers..and in the last century..they killed 175,000,000
people
So we on the Right shouldnt mention your tendencies towards violence?
<VBG>
Have you decided if you are moving out of the Nation, or staying and
dying?
Shrug...blither all you want...there is a rope waiting for you
regardless.
And you really need to work on your lack of education.
Google the following words and report back to us
1. Threat
2. Observation
We will All be waiting
<VBG>
Gunner Asch
Shrug..true indeed. But in less than 3 yrs..there wont be enough jail
cells for everyone who wacks off a Leftard. And there wont be any will
to do so.
Nor enough police/military etc etc to make the arrests. Assuming those
that wack Leftards admit to doing it in the first place.
<VBG>
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:01:39 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <f2ogg515d1fbaetrp...@4ax.com>,
> > Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> Wouldnt you? Actually..those people running up your lawn will be there
> to execute you. Count on it.
I'm here with the other 144,000 to see an end to fake/false-propaganda
that has put fear where their heart should be. Not good when you start
beleiving your own bullshiite.
I'll see you in 7 years, at the end of Obama's term... and it will be
proven that you are incorrect about your upcoming murder spree.
> So Comrade..the Nazis murdered 8 million..the Communists murdered 175
> million. Are you claiming you are superior because you murdered more?
Looks like they missed one... aka Gunner Asch-hole.
snicker.
Gunner Asch
<gde...@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>In article <6mcjg5d26hauu287f...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:01:39 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <f2ogg515d1fbaetrp...@4ax.com>,
>> > Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> Wouldnt you? Actually..those people running up your lawn will be there
>> to execute you. Count on it.
>
>I'm here with the other 144,000 to see an end to fake/false-propaganda
>that has put fear where their heart should be. Not good when you start
>beleiving your own bullshiite.
Shrug...you hope anyways that Im not right. Just because no one has
hunted you down and killed you yet..doesnt mean that it wont happen.
Can you tell me what the French Revolution was all about? And what
happened when the People finally had had enough....
"let them eat cake"
<VBG>
Came as a hell of a surprise to the royalty didnt it.....?
>
>I'll see you in 7 years, at the end of Obama's term... and it will be
>proven that you are incorrect about your upcoming murder spree.
Again you slander me and claim that Im going to be murdering people.
Is that simply the result of your long term retardation or is it
simply the mush the DNC has filled your brain cavity with?
>
>> So Comrade..the Nazis murdered 8 million..the Communists murdered 175
>> million. Are you claiming you are superior because you murdered more?
>
>Looks like they missed one... aka Gunner Asch-hole.
So you cant counter my statement of truth..so have to assault the
messenger eh?
Laugh laugh laugh...just shows that you are no different than the
usual run of the mill Fucktard...you just are a bit smoother..until
crossed. Then you turn into the usual fucktard Leftwinger.
<G>
Good to see that. Everyone has been expecting it. Ill have to check
the pool and see who won. I bet that it would be 8 posts before you
showed your ass, but it looks like it was 14 posts.
>
>snicker.
Snicker indeed...laugh laugh laugh laugh
Gunner Asch
Coffee in Madrid
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:52:12 GMT, Coffee in Madrid
> <gde...@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> >In article <6mcjg5d26hauu287f...@4ax.com>,
> > Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:01:39 GMT, Coffee in Madrid <gde...@eastlink.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <f2ogg515d1fbaetrp...@4ax.com>,
> >> > Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Wouldnt you? Actually..those people running up your lawn will be there
> >> to execute you. Count on it.
> >
> >I'm here with the other 144,000 to see an end to fake/false-propaganda
> >that has put fear where their heart should be. Not good when you start
> >beleiving your own bullshiite.
>
> Shrug...you hope anyways that Im not right.
Global warming will get-us back online... politics will be the LAST
thing on anyones mind, (if), the shit hits the fan.
We'll be too busy being in survival mode. At least somewhere on the
planet.
> hunted you down and killed you yet..doesnt mean that it wont happen.
I'll be sitting here waiting, playin' me guitar... bling bling blingg.
> >I'll see you in 7 years, at the end of Obama's term... and it will be
> >proven that you are incorrect about your upcoming murder spree.
>
> Again you slander me and claim that Im going to be murdering people.
I prefer thinking of it as a R-evolution. The NON-violent kind.
> Gunner Asch-hole.
What? don't like your new bumper sticker?
snicker Inddeed...
>
> So you cant counter my statement of truth..so have to assault the
> messenger eh?
>
> Laugh laugh laugh...just shows that you are no different than the
> usual run of the mill Fucktard...you just are a bit smoother..until
> crossed. Then you turn into the usual fucktard Leftwinger.
We're all on the dismal boat.
Some of us will row,
Others will plan mutiny.
(not that I'm pointing any fingers) lol.
The Rock
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
news:he2j1h$s3t$5...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:14:52 -0600, denn...@dennism3.invalid (Dennis M)
> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <da19c09d-df18-4b97...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>> Bret Cahill <BretC...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> >In article <dl89g5t7v5dn55497...@4ax.com>, Gunner Asch
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 2012 Run, Rudy, Run! 2012
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
No, but you left out Beck and Limpballs to complete the list of extremists.
I would vote for Rudy if he comes out again in his dress and with that blond
wig.
Hahahahahah, that was so sexy if you could hide his face...heheheheheheh.
It seems the country doesn't count with rightards. They already screwed it
up.
--
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wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_90nRRoXK8
Topaz
2006-08-20
By Jean Bricmont
Americans are constantly told that they have to defend themselves
against people who "hate them", but without understanding why they are
hated. Is the cause our secular democracy? Our appetite for oil? There
are lots of democracies in the world that are far more secular than
the United States (Sweden, France...) and lots of places that want to
buy oil at the best possible price (China) without arousing any
noticeable hatred in the Middle East.
Of course, it is true that, throughout the Third World, Americans and
Europeans are often considered arrogant and are not particularly
liked. But the level of hatred that leads a large number of people to
applaud an event like September 11 is peculiar to the Middle East.
Indeed, the main political significance of September 11 did not derive
from the number of people killed or even the spectacular achievement
of the attackers, but from the fact that the attack was popular in
large parts of the Middle East. That much was understood by Americans
leaders and infuriated them. Such a level of hatred calls for
explanation.
And there can be only one explanation: United States support for
Israel. It is indeed Israel that is the main object of hatred, for
reasons we shall describe, but since the United States uncritically
supports Israel on almost every issue, constantly praises it as "the
only democracy in the Middle East" and provides its main financial
backing, the result is a "transfer" of hatred.
Why is Israel so hated? The constant stalling of "peace plans" in
favor of more settlements and more war aggravates that hatred, but the
basic cause lies in the very principles on which that state is built.
There are basically two arguments that have justified establishing the
State of Israel in Palestine: one is that "God" gave that land to the
Jews, and the other is the Holocaust. The first one is deeply
insulting to people who are profoundly religious, like most Arabs, but
of another creed. And, for the second, it amounts to making people pay
for a crime that they did not commit.
Both arguments claim that it is right for Jews, and only Jews, to set
up a state in a land that would obviously be Arab, like Jordan or
Lebanon, if not for the slow Zionist invasion. This is illustrated by
the "law of return": any Jew, anywhere, having no connection with
Palestine whatsoever, and not suffering from the slightest
persecution, can, if he so wishes, emigrate to Israel and easily
become a citizen, while the inhabitants who fled in 1948, or their
children, cannot. Add to that the fact that a city claimed to be holy
by three religions has become the "eternal capital of the Jewish
people" (and only them) and one should start to understand the rage
that all this provokes throughout the Arab and Muslim world.
It is precisely this [Jewish supremacist] aspect that infuriates most
Arabs, even if they do not have any personal connection to Palestine.
This situation delegitimizes the Arab regimes that are impotent in the
face of the Zionist enemy and, after the defeat of the region's two
main secular leaders, Nasser and Saddam Hussein (the latter thanks to
the U.S.), leads to the rise of religious fundamentalism.
The conflict over Palestine goes beyond the second class status of
Israeli Arabs or even the treatment of the Occupied Territories. Even
if a Palestinian state were established on the latter, and even if
full equality were granted to Israeli Arabs, the wounds of 1948 would
not heal quickly. Arab leaders, even religious ones, can of course
sign peace agreements with Israel, but they are fragile so long as the
Arab population considers them unjust and does not accept them
wholeheartedly. Palestine is the Alsace-Lorraine or the Taiwan of the
Arab world and the fact that it is impossible to take it back does not
mean that it can be forgotten . (I am not arguing here in favor of
"wiping Israel off the map", or in favor of a "one state solution" but
simply underlining what seems to me to be the root and the depth of
the problem. In fact, I am not arguing for any solution partly because
none seems to me to be attainable in the short term, but, more
fundamentally, because I do not think that outsiders to the Middle
East should propose such solutions.)
There is no sign that any of this is understood in Israel by more than
a few individuals; if Arabs hate them, this is just another instance
of the fact that everybody hates Jews and it only proves that they
have to "defend themselves" (i.e. attack others pre-emptively) by any
means necessary. That is bad enough, but why isn't this understood in
the United States either? There are traditionally two answers to that:
one is that the population is manipulated into supporting Israel by
the government, the arms merchants or the oil industry, because Israel
is a strategic U.S. ally; the other answer is that the United States
is manipulated by the Israel lobby. The idea that Israel is a
strategic ally, if by that one means a useful ally (useful to, say,
the oil interests, broadly understood), although widely accepted,
specially in the Left, does not survive a critical examination. That
may have been the case in 1967 or even during the Cold War period,
although one could argue that, even then, the Arab states were
attracted by the Soviet Union only because it might support them in
their struggle against Israel, albeit ineffectively. But both in 1991
and in 2003, the United States attacked Iraq without any help from
Israel, even begging Israel not to intervene in 1991, in order for its
Arab coalition not to collapse. Or consider the post-2003 occupation
of Iraq, and suppose that the goal of that occupation is control over
oil. In what sense does Israel help in that respect? Everything it
does (the currents attacks on Gaza and Lebanon for example) further
alienates the Arabs, and U.S. support for Israel makes the control of
oil harder, not easier. Even the Iraqi parliament, Malaki and Sistani,
who are the closest to allies that the United States can find there,
condemn Israel's actions.
Finally, just imagine that the United States would make a 180 [degree]
turn and suddenly side with the Palestinians, as they did with the
Kosovars against the Serbs. Such a change of policies is by no means
impossible: when Indonesia invaded East Timor in 1975, the US
supported the invasion by providing most of Indonesia's weapons. Yet,
25 years later, the U.S. supported, or at least did not oppose, East
Timor's accession to independence.
What effect would that have? Can anyone doubt that such a change of
policy would facilitate U.S. access to oil fields and help it gain
strategic allies (if any were still needed) throughout the Muslim
world? In the Middle East, the main charge against the United States
is that it is pro-Israel, because it lets itself be "manipulated by
the Jews". Therefore, if Washington switched sides, there would be no
more basis for hostility to U.S. presence, including its control over
oil. Thus the notion of Israel as "strategic ally" makes no sense.
This leads us to the "Israel lobby" answer, which is closer to the
truth, but not the whole truth. To get a complete picture, one has to
understand why the lobby works as effectively as it does, and that
depends on factors lying outside the actions of the lobby itself.
After all, the militant Zionists constituting the lobby are a minority
among Jews, who themselves form a small minority of the American
population. The Israel lobby does not work like other lobbies, for
example, the arms and the oil industry lobbies (which is one of the
reasons why it is easy to dismiss it as irrelevant, as long as one
does not understand how it really exerts its influence).
Of course, like the latter, the Israel lobby does fund electoral
campaigns and its power derives in part from its ability to target
people in Congress who deviate from its "line". But if that were all,
it could be easily defeated -indeed. There are other sources of
electoral funding, the big industrial lobbies for example, and if the
pro-Israel candidates could be shown to be paid to serve the interests
of another state, their opponents could denounce the people who
receive money from the lobby as some sort of agents of a foreign
power. Just imagine a pro-French, pro-Chinese or pro-Japanese lobby
that would try to significantly influence the U.S. Congress.
Certainly, money alone cannot suffice.
What protects the Israel lobby is the fact that anyone who would
denounce an opponent funded by the Lobby as a quasi-agent of a foreign
power would immediately be accused of anti-Semitism. In fact, imagine
that big business is unhappy with the current U.S. policies (as it
well may be) and wants to change them-how could they do it? Any
criticism of lobby influence on U.S. policy would immediately trigger
the anti-Zionism-is-anti-Semitism accusation.
So the strength of the Israel lobby resides in part in this second
line of defense, which itself is linked to its influence on the media.
But even that could easily be defeated-not all the media are under the
lobby's influence, and, more importantly, the media are not
all-powerful: in Venezuela, they are anti-Chavez, but Chavez regularly
wins elections. In France, the media were overwhelmingly in favor of
the "yes" vote to the referendum on the European Constitution, yet the
"no" won. The problem-and this is why the Israel lobby is so
effective, is that it expresses a world view that is accepted too
easily by too many Americans. After all, nothing could be more
ridiculous than accusing someone of anti-Semitism because he wants or
claims to put America's interests above those of Israel. Yet, the
accusation is likely to be effective, but only because years of
ideological brainwashing have predisposed people to consider U.S. and
Israeli interests as identical-although instead of "interests" one
speaks of "values".
Associated with this identification comes a systematically hostile
view of the Arab and Muslim world, which both increases the lobby's
effectiveness and is in part the result of its propaganda. There is an
almost total lack of understanding of the Arab viewpoint on Palestine,
and, in particular, of the [Jewish supremacist] nature of the problem.
It is this triple layer of control (selective funding, the
anti-Semitism card, or rather canard, and interiorization) that gives
the lobby its peculiar strength. (And that is also why it is easy to
dismiss its strength by saying, for instance, that, obviously, Jews
don't control America. Sure, but direct control is not the way it
works.)
People who think that it is the arms or the oil industry that are
running the show in Washington as far as foreign policy is concerned
should at least answer the following question: how does it work? There
is no evidence whatsoever that the oil industry, for example, pushed
for the Iraq war, the threats against Iran, or the attack on Lebanon .
(There is a lot of evidence that the Israel lobby pushed for the Iraq
war; see Jeff Blankfort, A War for Israel). They are supposed to act
secretly, of course, but where is the evidence that they do? And if
there is no evidence, even no indirect evidence, how does one know?
Profits from the war, at least for major corporations, haven't
materialized yet, and there are many indications that the U.S. economy
will suffer a lot from war-related expenses and the associated
deficits. On the other hand, it is enough to open any mainstream U.S.
newspaper or TV and read or hear opinions expressed by Zionists
calling for more war. War needs war propaganda and a supporting
ideology, and the Zionists provide it, while none of this is offered
by big business in general or the oil industry in particular.
When people in the antiwar movement divert attention from Israel by
blaming big oil or big business for the wars (specially the one in
Lebanon, or the threats against Iran) one should demand that they
provide some evidence for their claims. Challenge all the apologists
or excuse makers for Israel or its lobby within progressive circles.
When politicians and journalists claim that Israel and the United
States have common interests, ask what services exactly has Israel
rendered to the United States recently. Of course one can always point
to some (minor) services; but, then, ask them what a cold-blooded
cost-benefits analysis would reveal and why such an analysis is
impossible to undertake publicly. If they speak of common values (the
fallback position), provide a list of discriminatory Israeli laws for
non-Jews.
It is true that a change in the U.S. policy with respect to the
Israel-Palestine conflict would change nothing about traditional
imperialism-the United States would still support traditional elites
everywhere, and press countries to provide a "favorable investment
climate". But the conflict in the Middle East, involving Iraq, Iran,
Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine, has all the aspects of a religious
war-with Islam on one side and Zionism as a secular "Western" religion
on the other. And wars of religion tend to be the most brutal and
uncontrollable of all wars. What is at stake in the de-Zionization of
the American mind is not only the fate of the unfortunate inhabitants
of Palestine but also unspeakable miseries for the people of that
region and maybe of the rest of the world. The ultimate irony in all
this is that the fate of much of the world depends on the American
people exercizing their right to self-determination, which, of course,
they should.
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Dave Heil
> The De-Zionization of the American Mind
> 2006-08-20
>
> By Jean Bricmont
>
> Americans are constantly told that they have to defend themselves
> against people who "hate them", but without understanding why they are
> hated.
That's odd. I've never been told that and I'm an American. I don't
know anyone who has been told such a thing. I think Jean Bricmont just
made that up.
Is the cause our secular democracy?
Our? Is Jean an American? America has been secular but not a
democracy. America is a representative republic.
> Our appetite for oil? There
> are lots of democracies in the world that are far more secular than
> the United States (Sweden, France...) and lots of places that want to
> buy oil at the best possible price (China) without arousing any
> noticeable hatred in the Middle East.
Sweden--far more secular? Really? Sweden has a state church. America
has never had a state church.
> Of course, it is true that, throughout the Third World, Americans and
> Europeans are often considered arrogant and are not particularly
> liked.
I lived in the third world for a goodly part of my working life. I
never disguised that fact that I was an American and I seldom
encountered a noticeable dislike for Americans.
> But the level of hatred that leads a large number of people to
> applaud an event like September 11 is peculiar to the Middle East.
> Indeed, the main political significance of September 11 did not derive
> from the number of people killed or even the spectacular achievement
> of the attackers, but from the fact that the attack was popular in
> large parts of the Middle East. That much was understood by Americans
> leaders and infuriated them. Such a level of hatred calls for
> explanation.
It surely does. Let those in the Middle East start explaining their hatred.
> And there can be only one explanation: United States support for
> Israel.
Gee, that's tough. We owe no explanation nor apology to anyone in the
Middle East. The U.S. supports Egypt and the Palestinians as well.
> It is indeed Israel that is the main object of hatred, for
> reasons we shall describe, but since the United States uncritically
> supports Israel on almost every issue, constantly praises it as "the
> only democracy in the Middle East" and provides its main financial
> backing, the result is a "transfer" of hatred.
Maybe those in the Middle East need to learn to control their hatred of
Israel for no good can come of that. The U.S. will continue to support
Israel. There are fledgling democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
rest of the Middle East should be paying attention.
> Why is Israel so hated? The constant stalling of "peace plans" in
> favor of more settlements and more war aggravates that hatred...
I've seen the Palestinian way of negotiating for peace.
> but the
> basic cause lies in the very principles on which that state is built.
> There are basically two arguments that have justified establishing the
> State of Israel in Palestine: one is that "God" gave that land to the
> Jews, and the other is the Holocaust. The first one is deeply
> insulting to people who are profoundly religious, like most Arabs, but
> of another creed.
Judaism existed for thousands of years before that peaceful faith, Islam
made its appearance. The Bible tells us that God gave the land to the
Jews. The Holocaust helped them get it back after the diaspora. There
is already a Palestinian homeland in existence. Its name is Jordan.
And, for the second, it amounts to making people pay
> for a crime that they did not commit.
The country of Israel exists. It is not going to dissolve itself. As
has been shown by a number of invasions of Israel by its neighbors, the
odds are not good for Arab states to attempt taking it by force. The
result of that has typically been for one or more of the attacking
states to have their country lose some of its land to Israel.
> Both arguments claim that it is right for Jews, and only Jews, to set
> up a state in a land that would obviously be Arab, like Jordan or
> Lebanon, if not for the slow Zionist invasion.
The area now occupied by Israel was primarily Jewish land until the
diaspora. It was reclaimed by its previous owners. The usurpers don't
like it.
This is illustrated by
> the "law of return": any Jew, anywhere, having no connection with
> Palestine whatsoever, and not suffering from the slightest
> persecution, can, if he so wishes, emigrate to Israel and easily
> become a citizen, while the inhabitants who fled in 1948, or their
> children, cannot. Add to that the fact that a city claimed to be holy
> by three religions has become the "eternal capital of the Jewish
> people" (and only them) and one should start to understand the rage
> that all this provokes throughout the Arab and Muslim world.
Gee, I guess it is high time the Muslims get over it. The Jews are not
going away. Israel is the only non-Arab state in the area.
> It is precisely this [Jewish supremacist] aspect that infuriates most
> Arabs, even if they do not have any personal connection to Palestine.
Now *that's weird*. I think the Jews have managed to live with the
Arabs being infuriated.
> This situation delegitimizes the Arab regimes that are impotent in the
> face of the Zionist enemy and, after the defeat of the region's two
> main secular leaders, Nasser and Saddam Hussein (the latter thanks to
> the U.S.), leads to the rise of religious fundamentalism.
That's false. The religious fundamentalism was there before the fall of
either Nasser or Saddam.
Topaz
wrote:
>>
>> Americans are constantly told that they have to defend themselves
>> against people who "hate them", but without understanding why they are
>> hated.
>
>That's odd. I've never been told that and I'm an American. I don't
>know anyone who has been told such a thing. I think Jean Bricmont just
>made that up.
>
> Is the cause our secular democracy?
>
>Our? Is Jean an American? America has been secular but not a
>democracy. America is a representative republic.
>Sweden--far more secular? Really? Sweden has a state church. America
>has never had a state church.
>
>
>I lived in the third world for a goodly part of my working life. I
>never disguised that fact that I was an American and I seldom
>encountered a noticeable dislike for Americans.
>
>
>It surely does. Let those in the Middle East start explaining their hatred.
America is ruled by the Jews.
by Kevin MacDonald
The current situation in the United States is really an awesome
display of Jewish power and influence. People who are very strongly
identified as Jews maintain close ties to Israeli politicians and
military figures and to Jewish activist organizations and pro-Israeli
lobbying groups while occupying influential policy-making positions in
the defense and foreign policy establishment. These same people, as
well as a chorus of other prominent Jews, have routine access to the
most prestigious media outlets in the United States. People who
criticize Israel are routinely vilified and subjected to professional
abuse.
Perhaps the most telling feature of this entire state of affairs is
the surreal fact that in this entire discourse Jewish identity is not
mentioned. When Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, Michael Rubin,
William Safire, Robert Satloff, or the legions of other prominent
media figures write their reflexively pro-Israel pieces in the New
York Times, the Wall Street Journal, or the Los Angeles Times, or
opine on the Fox News Network, there is never any mention that they
are Jewish Americans who have an intense ethnic interest in Israel.
When Richard Perle authors a report for an Israeli think tank; is on
the board of directors of an Israeli newspaper; maintains close
personal ties with prominent Israelis, especially those associated
with the Likud Party; has worked for an Israeli defense company; and,
according to credible reports, was discovered by the FBI passing
classified information to Israel - when, despite all of this, he is a
central figure in the network of those pushing for wars to rearrange
the entire politics of the Middle East in Israel's favor, and with
nary a soul having the courage to mention the obvious overriding
Jewish loyalty apparent in Perle's actions, that is indeed a
breathtaking display of power.
One must contemplate the fact that American Jews have managed to
maintain unquestioned support for Israel over the last thirty-seven
years, despite Israel's seizing land and engaging in a brutal
suppression of the Palestinians in the occupied territories - an
occupation that will most likely end with expulsion or complete
subjugation, degradation, and apartheid. During the same period Jewish
organizations in America have been a principal force - in my view the
main force - for transforming America into a state dedicated to
suppressing ethnic identification among Europeans, for encouraging
massive multiethnic immigration into the U.S., and for erecting a
legal system and cultural ideology that is obsessively sensitive to
the complaints and interests of non-European ethnic minorities - the
culture of the Holocaust. All this is done without a whisper of
double standards in the aboveground media...
>
>> And there can be only one explanation: United States support for
>> Israel.
>
>Gee, that's tough. We owe no explanation nor apology to anyone in the
>Middle East. The U.S. supports Egypt and the Palestinians as well.
By LUKE O'FARRELL
http://www.heretical.com/ofarrell/index.html
There are two types of people in the world: people who think there are
two types of people in the world and people who don't. I'm among the
first type and I think the world is divided into people who recognize
the Jewish problem and people who don't.
In other words, the world is divided into smart people and dumb
people. If you've got an IQ of 80, have difficulty operating a
can-opener, and recognize the Jewish problem, you're smart. If you've
got an IQ of 180, have already won a couple of Nobel Prizes, and don't
recognize the Jewish problem, you're dumb.
I've been dumb for most of my life: it took me a long time to
recognize the Jewish problem. I didn't think for myself, I just
accepted the propaganda and conformed to the consensus. Jews are good
people. Only bad people criticize Jews. Jews good. Anti-Semites bad.
But then, very slowly, I started to see the light.
Recognizing Jewish hypocrisy was the first big step. I was reading an
article by someone called Rabbi Julia Neuberger, a prominent British
liberal. I didn't like liberals then, so I didn't like her for that
(and because her voice and manner had always grated on me), but her
Jewishness wasn't something I particularly noticed. But as I read the
article I came across something that didn't strike me as very liberal:
she expressed concern about Jews marrying Gentiles, because this
threatened the survival of the Jewish people.
That made me sit up and think. Hold on, I thought, I know this woman
sits on all sorts of "multi-cultural" committees and is constantly
being invited onto TV and radio to yap about the joys of diversity and
the evils of racism. She's all in favor of mass immigration and
there's no way she's worried about Whites marrying non-Whites, because
"Race is Just a Social Construct" and "We're All the Same Under the
Skin". She's a liberal and she thinks that race-mixing is good and
healthy and Holy. Yet this same woman is worried about Jews marrying
Gentiles. Small contradiction there, n'est ce-pas?
Well, no. Big contradiction. She obviously didn't apply the same rules
to everyone else as she applied to her own people, the Jews. She was,
in short, a hypocrite. But not just that - she was a Jewish hypocrite.
And that's a big step for a brainwashed White to take: not just
thinking in a negative way about a Jew, but thinking in a negative way
about a Jew because of her Jewishness.
After that, I slowly started to see the world in a different way. Or
to be more precise: I started to see the world. I started to see what
had always been there: the massive over-representation of Jews in
politics and the media. And I started to notice that a lot of those
Jews - like Rabbi Julia Neuberger, in fact - gave me the creeps. There
was something slimy and oily and flesh-crawling about them. And it
wasn't just me, either: other Gentiles seemed to feel it too.
Politicians often attract nicknames based on some outstanding aspect
of their character or behavior. Margaret Thatcher was "The Iron Lady".
Ronald Reagan was "Teflon Ron". Bill Clinton was "Slick Willy". But
these are Gentile politicians and their nicknames are at least
half-affectionate. Jewish politicians seem to attract a different kind
of nickname. In Britain, Gerald Kaufman, bald, homosexual Member of
Parliament for Manchester Gorton, is nicknamed "Hannibal Lecter".
Peter Mandelson, now Britain's Euro-Commissioner and Tony Blair's
suspected former lover, is "The Prince of Darkness". Michael Howard
(n� Hecht), the leader of the British Conservative Party, is
"Dracula".
When I noticed this kind of thing, I started to ask questions. What
was going on here? Why did Jews attract nicknames like that? And why
had Gentiles reacted to them like that not just now, but a long way
into the past? Shakespeare seems to have felt the same kind of
repulsion when he created the vengeful lawyer Shylock, and Dickens
when he created the parasitic master-thief Fagin. Classic
"anti-Semitic" stereotypes, but I knew that stereotypes aren't always
wrong. If anti-Semitic stereotypes aren't always wrong, then there's
an obvious conclusion: neither is anti-Semitism. Gentiles are
sometimes right to dislike and distrust Jews.
After all, at the same time I was noticing something else: the massive
over-representation of Jews, not just among politicians and
journalists, but among crooked businessmen too. In fact, among very,
very crooked businessmen, the ones responsible for really big frauds
at Gentile expense. Men like Robert Maxwell (n� Hoch), Ivan "Greed is
Good" Boesky, and Michael Milken. And, on a slightly lesser scale,
Ernest Saunders, who finagled an early release from prison because he
was coming down with Alzheimer's, that well-known incurable brain
disease from which no-one ever recovers. Only Saunders managed to
confound medical science and recover from it.
Slimy. Hypocritical. Crooked. In a word: Jewish. But I didn't take the
final step, the step to full recognition of the Jewish problem, until
I watched the reaction to Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ. I'm
not a Christian and I have little sympathy with modern Christianity,
but I had a lot of sympathy for Mel Gibson as I watched the hysterical
campaign against him. The hysterical, well-organized, international
campaign by the slimy, hypocritical, crooked Jew Abe Foxman, Head of
the Anti-Defamation League, and his fellow slimy, hypocritical,
crooked Jews around the world. They didn't like something and they
were moving heaven and earth to get it stopped.
And what was it they didn't like? A movie about an event at the heart
of European art, literature, and culture: the crucifixion of Christ.
So here was another obvious conclusion: Jews hate European art,
literature, and culture. In other words, Jews hate White civilization
and the White race who created it.
After that, it all fell into place. I finally recognized that Jews
weren't just slimy, hypocritical, and crooked, but actively dangerous
too. If I thought of something harmful to White civilization and the
survival of the White race - mass immigration, feminism,
multi-culturalism, anti-racism, gay rights - I realized that Jews were
behind it, were promoting it through their control of the media, and
had been doing so for decades.
Finally, I had seen the light. Finally, I had gotten smart and
recognized the Jewish problem, the problem that even dumb Gentiles
subconsciously recognize when they give nicknames like "Hannibal
Lecter" and "Prince of Darkness" and "Dracula" to Jewish politicians.
Jews really do want to eat us, and steal our souls, and suck our
blood, and it's about time we started firing a few silver bullets.
>
>Maybe those in the Middle East need to learn to control their hatred of
>Israel for no good can come of that. The U.S. will continue to support
>Israel. There are fledgling democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
>rest of the Middle East should be paying attention.
Democracy is a cruel joke when the Jews control the media.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
with the average voter."
Winston Churchill
"Jewry rules from behind the mask of democracy. What one calls
democracy today is concealed Jewish domination. Jews determine what
happens in the democratic states"
Julius Streicher, Der St�rmer, #34/1939.
"A couple of weeks ago I quoted a few sentences from a book published
in 1928 titled Propaganda, by ... Edward Bernays. Today I'll read to
you an expanded set of excerpts from Bernays' book to give you a
little more of the gist of his message. I quote:
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits
and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic
society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society
constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of
our country.
"We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes are formed, our
ideas suggested largely by men we have never heard of. This is a
logical result of the way in which our democratic society is
organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner
if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. . . .
"Whatever attitude one chooses to take toward this condition, it
remains a fact that in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in
the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our
ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of
persons . . . who understand the mental processes and social patterns
of the masses.
It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, who
harness old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the
world. . .
"No serious sociologist believes any longer that the voice of the
people expresses any divine or especially wise and lofty idea. The
voice of the people expresses the mind of the people, and that mind is
made up for it by the group leaders in whom it believes and by those
persons who understand the manipulation of public opinion. . . .
"Whether in the problem of getting elected to office or in the problem
of interpreting and popularizing new issues, or in the problem of
making the day-to-day administration of public affairs a vital part of
the community life, the use of propaganda, carefully adjusted to the
mentality of the masses, is an essential adjunct of political life." -
end of quote -
I should mention that Bernays' book is not profound or especially
valuable in itself. It merely states a few self-evident facts about
the way in which a modern society works. For the person interested in
propaganda, far more useful books are available. The fact that Bernays
was a Jew is not even especially relevant here except to emphasize
that propaganda, the mass media, psychology, and the manipulation of
others always have been subjects of special interest to the Jews. It
is not for nothing that they are as thick in these fields today as
they were in the time of Bernays and Freud. The reason I chose
Bernays' book to quote is that it provides a more concise and clear
summary, in a few quotable paragraphs, of the role of propaganda in
modern life than most other
books on the subject.
If I were you I wouldn't even waste time trying to hunt down a copy of
Bernays' book. All it does is state the obvious: namely, that the
whole concept of democracy is meaningless in an age where a few people
have in their hands the mechanism for controlling the attitudes and
opinions of a majority of the electorate. And Bernays also takes the
disingenuous position that not only is this control a fact of life,
but it is a good thing; it is necessary to control and regiment the
thinking of the public in order to avoid chaos, and it can only lead
us to greater progress and prosperity. He simply glosses over the
question of
who should exercise this control and what their motives should be.
If you really want to study the subject of propaganda, a good place to
start is with the 1962 book, also titled Propaganda, by the Frenchman
Jacques Ellul. That book is still in print and is available from the
sponsor of this program, National Vanguard Books. Professor Ellul
deals with the subject in much greater depth and with much greater
honesty than Bernays does, but he agrees with Bernays on the most
obvious and
fundamental conclusions: on the irrelevance of the idea of democracy,
for example. I quote from Professor Ellul's book:
"If I am in favor of democracy, I can only regret that propaganda
renders the true exercise of it almost impossible. But I think that it
would be even worse to entertain any illusions about a coexistence of
true democracy and propaganda." -- end of quote --
To me it is frustrating that a conclusion that seems so obvious is
nevertheless resisted by so many otherwise intelligent people.
Democracy has become almost a sacred concept to them, this idea that
the policies guiding our nation should be decided by counting the
votes of every featherless biped who has reached the age of 18. It's
like motherhood:
they're almost afraid to question it.
This seems to be as true of intellectuals in our society as it is of
Joe Sixpacks. The fact is that intellectuals are no more likely to be
independent-minded than people who work with their hands; most
intellectuals, just like most Joe Sixpacks, are lemmings. In fact, as
Ellul points out, it is precisely the intellectuals who are most
strongly controlled by propaganda, because they are more open to every
medium of propaganda.
And I must admit that it took me a long time to overcome the ideas
drummed into me when I was in school that under a democracy people are
more free than under any other political system, that under a
democracy we are all free to think and say whatever we want, and that
we have a greater responsibility as citizens of a democracy to make up
our own minds about things independently, and so on. Actually, we
still have some degree of individual freedom in the United States
today because more than 200 years ago men whose temperament was far
more aristocratic than democratic in the modern sense of the word were
willing to go to war against their legitimate government in order to
secure that freedom for us, and people with a truly democratic
temperament, who have been
gnawing away at that freedom ever since, haven't yet succeeded in
suppressing it completely.
Well, it should not be surprising to us that although books such as
Professor Ellul's Propaganda - and many others - are readily
available, almost no one has heard of them. Keeping the public
believing in the myth of democracy is an important element in
maintaining control over the thinking and behavior of the public. It
is simply immoral and
scandalous to question the reality of democracy. It's like questioning
the truth of the "Holocaust" story. And for that reason we're not
likely to be taught in our social studies classes in school or to read
in the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal even the most obvious
and self-evident conclusions presented by Bernays or Ellul. We're
still
taught how democracy safeguards our freedom, even while those who
control the mechanism of propaganda in our democratic society are
working day and night to eliminate that freedom."
>I've seen the Palestinian way of negotiating for peace.
"Witnesses watched as more than 60 Palestinian shops were bulldozed to
the ground this week in one West Bank village, while the owners stood
by and watch helplessly. But not one American in ten saw or heard
about this in the US press.
An educated American pro-life activist was surprised to disbelief
when I told him that the Israeli death losses run about one-fourth the
number or Palestinians killed by Israelis. He thought the statistics
were reversed, having never heard or seen a count in the US press, he
has been brain scrubbed. Misinformation by the US press is not
excusable in the Internet age. So Israel has provided an Orwellian
propaganda filter called the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs
(IMFA) that makes it all possible. It provides the convenient excuse
the US press needs to look the other way and print abridged stories,
keeping most of us ignorant.
The propaganda arm of the Israeli military has once again been caught
purposefully lying about the death count among its forces. We believe
their purpose in doing this is to condition Americans into accepting
Israel's use of American-made weapons of mass destruction against the
vulnerable civilian population in Gaza and the West Bank. Israel's
willing facilitator is the US Media, which spreads their distorted
stories in the USA. This same pattern of misrepresentation is repeated
again and again, proving how important and routine propaganda is to
Israel.
On December 5th, the IMFA released an account of two suspected
sacrifice bombers (wrongly called suicide bombers*) who allegedly
killed 22 persons and wounded more than 100. But the press release
failed to mention that there were also Israeli military casualties in
the raid. Furthermore, their account omitted the fact that a female
army sergeant was among the killed. The omission is significant. It
fits perfectly into the predictable pattern of how the IMFA deceives
Americans almost daily. This practice repeatedly uses almost every
report of Israeli deaths to distort the facts of their conflict with
the Palestinians. We will now teach you how to read between the lies
and know when the story is distorted.
THE PATTERN OF DECEPTION
On November 19, 2002, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs (IMFA)
re-manufactured a similar story about a Palestinian sacrifice raid on
a military target. Twelve Israeli soldiers and paramilitary fighting
men were killed and there was no collateral damage (civilians dead).
The propagandists changed the "facts" to call the raid a "Massacre of
innocent (Israeli) civilians," as the story was carried in the US
press. It is a total and complete bald-faced lie, which We Hold These
Truths alone corrected it in our article: U. S. Media, Caught Lying...
Again http://www.whtt.org/articles/021224.htm
This writer put the facts together from the Israeli military's own
documents one month after the event was misreported. Do you, dear
reader, know how to recognize such lies for yourself so you don't have
to wait for us to unravel it for you? To do this one must first
understand the quaint language of the IMFA. We call these lies
"z-facts" (short for Zionist facts) meaning lies that are couched in
official, narrative sounding language but are indeed untrue. Here is
how the Hebron report was distorted by z- facts, which the Media
reported as rear facts. The first release from the IMFA read:
"THE TERROR ATTACK IN HEBRON CLAIMED 12 LIVES." and "PALESTINIAN
GUNMEN" had opened fire on "JEWISH WORSHIPPERS WALKING HOME FROM
RELIGIOUS SERVICES,"
Z-facts differ from bald-faced lies because they do not state outright
all the killed or wounded are civilians, but it is clearly implied.
(In those rare cases where everyone killed are indeed civilian, the
IMFA says so and saves its lies for a later day.) The truth is told
only if it suits the teller. By calling an attack on an armed military
unit a "terror attack" on "Jewish worshipers" and "claiming 12 lives,"
the z-facts leave the a clear impression that those killed were
civilians. Any honest account would have called it "an attack on
Israeli military unit by Palestinian guerillas" etc. In our previous
article we explained the procedure as follows: "The Israeli Ministry
of Foreign Affairs is a propaganda arm of the Israeli Defense Force
(IDF).-They are the first to know who is killed. But they cause the
story to be circulated that all killed were civilians because it
serves their purpose. Then, once the misinformation has reached the
American public, the corrected story is allowed to surface in Israel,
though the false images are never corrected in the eyes of the
American public." http://www.whtt.org/articles/021224.htm (please
forgive us for quoting ourselves, but we are the best source)
In January 5th story Israel did it again. This time every one of our
readers should have detected the lie without being told. The press in
both countries used the same predictable, deceptive language. Each
stated "22 Israelis" had been killed and many more wounded. Had all
those killed or wounded had been non-military the report would most
likely have called them "civilians." The generic term "Israelis"
suggest to us that the IMFA is hiding something, not wanting to
identify who was really killed. They were.
Later the same day, a sad corrected story was carried with the names
of those killed. The IMFA stated that all of the victims had been
identified and included Staff Sgt. Mazal Orkobi of Azor. Ha'aretz
subsequently revealed in an obituary that Sgt. Orkobi was a 20
year-old female who was on her first day of active duty with the
Israeli Defense Forces. But this part of the story never reached the
USA. Nor can we find a disclosure as to how many of the 120 wounded
were military. As usual, the IMFA did not disclose those who were in
the active reserves but not on duty at the time of death...
But because military were killed and possibly wounded, no one can
conclude they targeted civilians. In all but a few sacrifice bombings
military are killed or wounded. The IMFA had two reasons for keeping
Sergeant Orkobi's name out of the print. They can garner sympathy for
their air raids if the American public believes the sacrifice bombers
are targeting civilians only. Israel kills Palestinian civilians by
the dozens and do not even bother to apologize.
The second reason Israel keeps Sergeant Orkobi's name out of
American's minds is that most do not know that Israeli's draft their
girls and puts them in harms way. If American Christians knew about
the mistreatment of Israeli women, including the use of Military-paid
abortion as a birth control method, many would wonder about their
unquestioned support of the Israeli war machine.
Christian Israeli Patriots such as Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham and
Jerry Falwell, who Ariel Sharon calls the Christian Zionists, might be
embarrassed to explain their undying devotion to a regime which drafts
women into combat, marches them hip to hip with men, and provides free
abortions for the resulting problems. Some might wake up and actually
wonder if boys and girls are conditioned to kill and torture
Palestinian including children. Israel and a complicit US Media solve
these twin problems by doctoring press releases with false statements
that omit the loss of military personnel in guerilla raids. Female
names are never associated with the military even though they make up
about 1/3 of the total draftees.
("Suicide bomber:" Suicide is the act of taking ones one life for the
purpose of ending it. Sacrifice bombers have never been shown to have
a desire to stop living; their motive is to find and destroy enemy
personal regardless of the cost. Thus the term "sacrifice bombers" is
more accurate in describing them. The former is an Israeli propaganda
label.)
We Hold These Truths (http://www.whtt.org)
P.O. Box 14491 Scottsdale, AZ
85267 480-947-3329
>
>Judaism existed for thousands of years before that peaceful faith, Islam
>made its appearance. The Bible tells us that God gave the land to the
>Jews.
John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would
not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."
John 20:19 "the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled
for fear of the Jews"
2 Co 11:24 "Of the Jews five times recieved I forty stripes save
one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned"
Mathew 27: 20+25 "But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the
multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus...then
answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our
children."
Acts 25:24 "ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews
have dealt with me, both at Jerusalem and also here, crying that he
ought not to live any longer."
John 8:42,44,48 "Jesus said unto them...Ye are of your father the
devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from
the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth
in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a
liar, and the father of it...Then answered the Jews..."
> The Holocaust helped them get it back after the diaspora. There
>is already a Palestinian homeland in existence. Its name is Jordan.
During World War Two the Germans put Jews and Communists in
concentration camps. The USA locked also up the Japanese and their
political opponents and for less reason. At the end of the war there
was a lot of deaths in the German camps from disease and starvation
because Germany was being bombed to rubble. There is no evidence that
the Germans had gas chambers or an extermination plan.
Newsweek magazine May 15, 1989 says on page 64:
"the way the Nazis did things: the secrecy, the unwritten orders, the
destruction of records and the innocent-sounding code names for the
extermination of the Jews. Perhaps it was inevitable that historians
would quarrel over just what happened"
The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan is
because there was no extermination plan. The Germans planned to deport
the Jews out of Germany. The records show that they planned to move
them to Madagascar.
Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
"Thirty-one samples were selectively removed from the alleged gas
chambers at Kremas I, II, III, IV and V. A control sample was taken
from delousing facility #1 at Birkenau. The control sample was removed
from a delousing chamber in a location where cyanide was known to have
been used and was apparently present as blue staining. Chemical
testing of the control sample #32 showed a cyanide content of 1050
mg/kg, a very heavy concentration. The conditions at areas from which
these samples were taken are identical with those of the control
sample, cold, dark, and wet. Only Kremas IV and V differed, in the
respect that these locations had sunlight (the buildings have been
torn down) and sunlight may hasten the destruction of uncomplexed
cyanide. The cyanide combines with the iron in the mortar and brick
and becomes ferric-ferro-cyanide or prussian blue pigmentation, a very
stable iron-cyanide complex.
"The locations from which the analyzed samples were removed are set
out in Table III.
"It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that the
few that were positive were very close to the detection level
(1mg/kg); 6.7 mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krerma I. The absence
of any consequential readings at any of the tested locations as
compared to the control sample reading 1050 mg/kg supports the
evidence that these facilities were not execution gas chambers. The
small quantities detected would indicate that at some point these
buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all the buildings at
all these facilities"
Professional holocaust believers have admitted that the "gas chamber"
which is shown to the tourists at Auschwitz was actually built by the
allies after the war was over. This is what they wrote:
Brian Harmon <har...@msg.ucsf.edu> wrote in article
<080620000051136373%har...@msg.ucsf.edu>...
"You're confusing Krema I with Kremas II-V. Krema I is a
reconstruction, this has never been a secret. Kremas II-V are in
their demolished state as they were left."
Charles Don Hall <cdhall...@erols.com> wrote in article
<8F4CB71B...@news.erols.com>...
"Certainly not! The word "fake" implies a deliberate attempt to
deceive.
"The staff of the Auschwitz museum will readily explain that the Nazis
tried to destroy the gas chambers in a futile attempt to conceal their
crimes. And they'll tell you that reconstruction was done later on. So
it would be dishonest for me to call it a "fake". I'll cheerfully
admit that it's a "reconstruction" if that makes you happy."
They admit that the "gas chamber" shown to the tourists at Auschwitz
was built by the allies after the war was over. There is no physical
evidence that the Germans had gas chambers. No bodies of people who
died from gas have been found. The Communists were the first to enter
the camps. How do the other allies know the Communists didn't blow up
the buildings? Then they could claim that these demolished buildings
used to be gas chambers.
But then the believers will say the Germans confessed. Their main
confession is from Hoess. Here are the details:
"In the introduction to Death Dealer [Buffalo: Prometheus, 1992], the
historian Steven Paskuly wrote: "Just after his capture in 1946, the
British Security Police were able to extract a statement from Hoess by
beating him and filling him with liquor." Paskuly was reiterating what
Rupert Butler and Bernard Clarke had already described.
In 1983, Rupert Butler published an unabashed memoir (Legions of
Death, Hamlyn: London) describing in graphic detail how, over three
days, he and Clarke and other British policemen managed to torture
Hoess into making a "coherent statement." According to Butler [Legions
of Death, p. 237], he and the other interrogators put the boots to
Hoess the moment he was captured. For starters, Clarke struck his face
four times to get H�ess to reveal his true identity.
<quote>
The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of Jewish sergeants in
the arresting party whose parents had died in Auschwitz following an
order signed by H�ss.
The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pajamas ripped from his
body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where
it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off,
unless you want to take back a corpse."
A blanket was thrown over H�ss and he was dragged to Clarke's car,
where the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whisky down his
throat. H�ss tried to sleep.
Clarke thrust his service stick under the man's eyelids and ordered in
Geffnan: "Keep your pig eyes open, you swine."
For the first time H�ss trotted out his oft-repeated justification: "I
took my orders from Himmler. I was a soldier in the same way as you
are a soldier and we had to obey orders."
The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow
was swirling still, but the blanket was torn from H�ss and he was made
to walk completely nude through the prison yard to his cell.
</quote>
An article in the British newspaper Wrexham Leader [Mike Mason, "In a
cell with a Nazi war criminal-We kept him awake until he confessed,"
October 17, 1986] following the airing of a TV documentary on the case
of Rudolf Hoess included eyewitness recollections by Ken Jones:
<quote>
Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the Fifth Royal Horse Artillery
stationed at Heid[e] in Schleswig-Holstein. "They brought him to us
when he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activities
during the war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a
small jail cell in the barracks," recalls Mr. Jones. Two other
soldiers were detailed with Mr. Jones to join H�ss in his cell to help
break him down for interrogation. "We sat in the cell with him, night
and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time
he fell asleep to help break down his resistance," said Mr. Jones.
When H�ss was taken out for exercise he was made
to wear only jeans and a cotton shirt in the bitter cold. After three
days and nights without sleep, H�ss finally broke down and made a full
confession to the authorities.
</quote>
The confession Hoess signed was numbered document NO-1210; later
revamped, as document PS-3868, which became the basis for an oral
deposition Hoess made for the IMT on April 15, 1946, a month after it
had been extracted from him by torture...
Since what people confess to after they have been captured by the
Communists and their liberal comrades is not proof of anything, this
leaves only the stories of survivors. These contradict each other and
not believable. One professional survivor said that he could tell if
the Germans were gassing German Jews or Polish Jews by the color of
the smoke.
The fact that there are so many "survivors" is not proof of an
extermination plan. There may be six million survivors. Just about
every Jew that is old says he is a survivor.
The real "holocaust" was when the Communist Jews murdered millions of
Christians. Communism was Jewish. Here is proof:
Article Winston Churchill wrote in 1920:
"This movement amongst the Jews (the Russian Revolution) is not new.
From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down
to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kuhn (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany)
and Emma Goldman (United States), this world wide conspiracy for the
overthrow of civilization and the reconstruction of society on the
basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible
equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part
in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of
every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at
last this band of extraordinary personalities has gripped the Russian
people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the
undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to
exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the
actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international
and for the most part atheistic Jews. Moreover, the principal
inspiration and driving power comes from Jewish leaders." (ibid)
Lev Trotzky wrote a book called "Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man and
His Influence", Harper Bros., New York and London, 1941, translated by
Charles Malamuth.
In this book he told who the principle members of the October Central
Committee were. This group was the leadership of the Bolshevik Party
during the October Revolution. This is what he wrote:
"In view of the Party's semi-legality the names of persons elected by
secret ballot were not announced at the Congress, with the exception
of the four who had received the largest number of votes. Lenin--133
out of a possible 134, Zinoviev--132, Kamenev--131, Trotzky--131."
Of these four top leaders of the Bolshevik Party the last three were
known Jews. Lenin was thought to be a gentile married to a Jewess. It
was later proven that he was one quarter Jewish, London Jewish
Chronicle April 21, 1995, Lenin: Life and Legacy.
David Francis, the American Ambassador to Russia at the time of the
Revolution, wrote:
"The Bolshevic leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country
but are internationalists and they are trying to start a world-wide
revolution."
The Director of British Intelligence to the U.S. Secretary of State
wrote this:
"There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international
movement controlled by Jews."
In 1945 the FBI arrested six individuals for stealing 1700 highly
confidential documents from State Department files. This was the
Amerasia case they were:
Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who came to the U.S. in 1905. He was at
one time the editor of the communist paper "Labor Defense" and the
ringleader of the group arrested.
Andrew Roth, a Jew.
Mark Gayn, a Jew, changed his name from Julius Ginsberg.
John Service, a gentile.
Emmanuel Larsen, nationality unknown
Kate Mitchel, nationality unknown.
In 1949 the Jewess Judith Coplin was caught passing classified
documents from Justice Department files to a Russian agent.
The highest ranking communist brought to trial in the U.S. was Gerhart
Eisler. He was a Jew. He was the secret boss of the Communist Party
in the U.S. and commuted regularly between the U.S. and Russia.
In 1950 there was the "Hollywood Ten" case. Ten leading film writers
of the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted for contempt of Congress
and sentenced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews. Six of the ten
were communist party members and the other four were flagrantly
pro-communist.
One of the top new stories of 1949 was the trial of Eugene Dennis and
the Convicted Eleven. This group comprised the National Secretariat of
the American Communist Party. Six were Jews, two gentiles, three
nationality unknown.
Also in 1949 the German-born atomic scientist Klaus Fuchs was
convicted for passing atomic secrets to the Russians. Acting on
information obtained from Fuchs the FBI arrested nine other members of
the ring. All of them were convicted. Eight of the nine were Jews.
Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis
Browne.
"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated in the
heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were neither
Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing Jews at
all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
throughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."
"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two men
who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went throughout
Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."
The book "Soviet Russia and the Jews" by Gregor Aronson and published
by the American Jewish League Against Communism, quotes Stalin in an
interview in 1931 with the Jewish Telegraph Agency. Stalin said:
"...Communists cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of
Anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the
Soviet Union. Active anti-Semites are punished by death under the
law."
The following quotes are taken directly from documents available from
the U.S. Archives:
State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominent in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."
State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."
From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomery Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type" type."
A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
were 384 'commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government.
The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920 "In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the
membership of the Soviet communist party was Jewish, though Jews
comprised only 1.8 percent of the total population." (Stuart Kahan,
The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried to read
articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in doing
so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous
stuff. From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I
recalled to mind the names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then
I realized that most of them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social
Democratic representatives in the Imperial Cabinet as well as the
secretaries if the Trades Unions and the street agitators. Everywhere
the same sinister picture presented itself. I shall never forget the
row of names- Austerlitz, David, Adler, Ellonbogen, and others. One
fact became quite evident to me. It was that this alien race held in
its hands the leadership of that Social Democratic Party with whose
minor representatives I had been disputing for months past."
Solzhenitsyn named in his book the six top administrators of the
Soviet death camps. All six of them were Jews.
Here is something the National Socialists wrote:
"The Soviet Union was in fact a paradise for one group: the Jews. Even
at times when for foreign policy reasons Jews were less evident in the
government, or when they ruled through straw men, the Jews were always
visible in the middle and lower levels of the administration."
>
>The country of Israel exists. It is not going to dissolve itself. As
>has been shown by a number of invasions of Israel by its neighbors, the
>odds are not good for Arab states to attempt taking it by force. The
>result of that has typically been for one or more of the attacking
>states to have their country lose some of its land to Israel.
Tiptoeing around Our Problems
By Dr. William Pierce
"We've been talking about the very dangerous situation in the Middle
East recently, just because so much is happening there, and
undoubtedly we'll be talking about it much more in the future. For
that reason I want to make very clear what my motives and sympathies
are, lest I lead anyone astray and be thought a hypocrite for doing
so. First, regarding Palestine: although my sympathies definitely lie
with the Palestinians rather than with the Jews, it is not horror at
what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians that motivates me. What
motivates me is horror that my country is being used by the Jews in
their war against the Palestinians. If America were not involved at
all in the Middle East I still would sympathize with the Palestinians
and I would wish that they could be successful in driving the Jews
into the sea and annihilating the abomination that is Israel, but that
conflict between Jews and Palestinians would not be a major concern
for me. At least, my
concern there would be dwarfed by my concern for problems more
directly involving my own people in America and in Europe and in
southern Africa.
Even now, with money and weapons being supplied by America and used to
slaughter Palestinians, my concern is much less with monsters like
Ariel Sharon who are doing the slaughtering than it is with the filthy
creatures among my own people in America who are collaborating with
Jews here to keep the weapons and money flowing to Sharon -- and are
ready to do whatever else the Jews require of them here or abroad.
So when I tell you about Jews in occupied Palestine shooting
Palestinian children, and disapproval and anger are evident in my
voice, what I really am angry about is that the American people, my
people, are being used for this murderous activity. I am angry that
America's whole foreign policy has been perverted to serve Jewish
interests at the expense of American interests. I am angry that
America's political system has been perverted to ensure that we always
have so-called "leaders," whether Democrat or Republican, who are
dependent on the Jewish media or Jewish money or both for their
election and consequently will do the bidding of the Jews. I am angry
that our whole government is riddled with Jews -- Jews in our Defense
Department, Jews in our State
Department, Jews in our Immigration and Naturalization Service, Jews
in our Justice Department, Jews in the President's speech-writing
staff - who really set the policies of our government behind the
scenes, while the politicians are out front in the spotlight making
speeches and kissing babies - and doing as they're told by the Jews
behind the
scenes.
Did you know that it was a Jewish speechwriter, David Frum, who put
the phrase "axis of evil" in George Bush's mouth to justify America's
ongoing war against Israel's enemies? Did you know that a clique of
Jews in the Defense Department and among George Bush's foreign policy
advisers are the people actually running the so-called "war on terror"
in Afghanistan: a war that they intend to expand to Iraq and any other
Middle Eastern country that gets uppity, in order to make that part of
the world safe for Israel at American expense? Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld is a front man for his nominal subordinates, Deputy
Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Deputy Undersecretary of
Defense for Policy Douglas Feith; and George Bush's official foreign
policy adviser, Condoleezza Rice, helps him meet his Black quota for
the Cabinet, but it is the Jew Richard Perle, chairman of Bush's
Defense Policy Board, who gives him his foreign policy directives.
As I've said on more than one occasion, George Bush is a feckless
nincompoop who couldn't come up with a defense policy or a foreign
policy on his own if he had to -- which is why he's President. The
real policymakers behind the scenes certainly don't want a man in the
White House who has ideas of his own, because those ideas might
conflict with theirs.
And it is nothing but empty sophistry to make a distinction between
Jews in Israel, such as Ariel Sharon and Simon Peres, and the Jews in
Mr. Bush's administration formulating his policies or the Jews
controlling our mass media. They all are Jews, and that's what really
matters.
There are many knowledgeable Americans besides me who think that it's
not a good thing to have Jews using America to advance Israel's
interests at the expense of America's interests. They know how the
system works: how the Jews exert their control through money and media
and a well-entrenched network of Jewish operatives, such as Wolfowitz
and Feith and Perle. And many of these knowledgeable Americans also
understand how Jewish subterfuge and deceit work: they understand that
the Jews throw up a lot of smoke to conceal their control and make it
appear that they have much less influence than they actually do.
Despite this degree of understanding that many knowledgeable Americans
have, there seem to be very few who are willing or able to draw the
necessary conclusions. What I keep seeing are comments about the need
to get the so-called "peace process" going again in the Middle East,
and how there are hardline supporters of Israel who are obstructing
the "peace process" because they think that it will give too much to
the Palestinians or will compromise Israel's security, or whatever.
These knowledgeable Americans seem to believe that if we could just
get around the Jewish hardliners somehow -- if we could just
neutralize Jews such as Wolfowitz and Feith and Perle; if Ariel Sharon
could be replaced by a "moderate" Jewish prime minister -- then the
"peace process" could proceed, America could gradually reduce its
involvement in helping the Jews keep the Palestinians repressed, and
eventually Israel no longer would be using America, and everything
would be rosy. And so these knowledgeable Americans expend all of
their wit and energy in these trivial pursuits.
Listen! Do you know what the most hopeful aspect of the conflict
between Jews and Palestinians is now? It is the ongoing radicalization
of the Muslim masses throughout the whole Middle East. The
collaborator governments in Pakistan, in Egypt, in Saudi Arabia are
terrified of the reaction they see among their own people to what
Ariel Sharon is doing to the Palestinians. When Sharon's Jewish troops
shoot Palestinian children, Muslim mobs riot, and governments that now
collaborate with the United States quake. Ariel Sharon is the best
thing that has happened in the Middle East in the last 54 years.
The Palestinian tactic of suicide bombing is being denounced by every
politician and every media spokesman over here now. It's nothing but
terrorism, they all say. There's no justification at all for suicide
bombing, they tell us. Of course, whenever you hear that sort of
unanimity from the politicians and the media people you should be
suspicious. In fact, suicide bombing is the best tactic for the
Palestinians to use now, because it provokes the Jews to step up
reprisals. And the reprisals radicalize the masses in every country in
the Middle East. If just one of the collaborator governments falls,
the spines of all the rest will be stiffened, and the Bush government
will be far less likely to find collaborators for building its
so-called "coalition" to do the will of the Jews in the Middle East.
Suicide bombers now hardly put a dent in the population of five
million Jews in occupied Palestine, and Sharon's bloody reprisals
hardly put a dent in the overall Palestinian population. But if
conflict of this sort continues until just one collaborator government
is overthrown, that ultimately will be worth more than ten thousand
successful suicide
bombings in which only 20 or so Jews are killed each time. In the long
run there can be no real peace in the Middle East and no end to
America's shameful role there -- and no future for the Palestinian
people -- as long as there is an Israel. There seems to be a better
understanding of these things among knowledgeable Palestinians than
among knowledgeable Americans.
Shallow thinking and the pursuit of trivial goals is even worse among
knowledgeable Americans when it comes to domestic problems. They
really do not want to grasp these problems with both hands and deal
with them in a forthright way. Look, for example, at what uncontrolled
immigration has done and is doing to America. And what do
knowledgeable Americans propose to do about that? Very little, really.
They make much of the fact that several of the al-Qaeda hijackers who
carried out the September 11 attack were in the United States only
because of very lax immigration policies, and so that's a good reason
for tightening up the policies.
How about simply rounding up all illegal aliens immediately -- all 12
million of them -- and booting them and all of their offspring out of
the country without further ado?
Oh, no, no, no! We can't do that! Why not? Well, the media never would
stand for it. The media would be all over anyone who even proposed a
mass expulsion of illegal aliens. They would denounce any political
leader who tried to do that as a "racist" and a "neo-Nazi." And so
knowledgeable Americans, who understand the immigration disaster quite
well, continue tiptoeing around it, afraid to do or even say anything
really significant about it: terrified even to think about really
radical solutions that might actually end the problem. And it's the
same with the rest of our domestic problems. Lots of people understand
these problems and are worried about them, but they won't tackle them
in any
significant way. They let the Jews -- the Jewish media and Jewish
money and the entrenched Jewish network -- have their way, for all
practical purposes.
Why? Why are the Jews permitted to get away with all of their
destructive policies and activities without being challenged or
opposed in any significant way? Part of the reason is that the Jews
are very powerful, and therefore many people are afraid to cross them.
They're afraid of the sort of media reaction I just mentioned in
connection with immigration. Everyone understands that the Jews stick
together and will viciously attack anyone who opposes them. It's the
old story, so aptly expressed by the late-16th-century writer, Sir
John Harington. Harington wrote: "Treason doth never prosper: what's
the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Today the
Jewish power structure is
prospering, and none dare oppose it or even call it what it is. Well,
that's only part of the reason Jews are permitted to get away with so
much. There's more to it than that. There's a mystique the Jews have
built very carefully around themselves and nurtured diligently. It is
a mystique of piety and injured innocence. It is a mystique that says
to the Gentile world: "We are a gentle and inoffensive race, and
because of this everyone hates us. We're smart and we work hard and
achieve success, and because of this everyone hates us. We are a
highly moral and ethical race, and because of this everyone hates us.
We are a very talented race, with many gifted members, many geniuses,
and because of this everyone hates us. We are a very altruistic race,
a race of philanthropists who only want to make a better world for
everyone, and because of this everyone hates us."
Many simpletons among the lemmings simply accept these claims at face
value. Many knowledgeable people, however, who can see through these
claims to the real Jews hiding behind them, still hesitate to
challenge them. Part of the Jewish mystique is the so-called
"Holocaust." In its most simpleminded form the "Holocaust" story is
the claim that the
Germans hated the Jews for the reasons I just mentioned -- for their
gentleness and their success and their morality and their talent and
their altruism -- and because of this hatred roasted six million of
them during the Second World War in "gas ovens," to use one of the
Jews' favorite "Holocaust" phrases.
Actually, the "Holocaust" is a very powerful part of the Jewish
mystique. The Jews crafted the "Holocaust" story with great care and
great effort -- well, actually not with as much care as they might
have used: it's as full of holes as a Swiss cheese, but still it is
sufficient to make most people, even those who understand what Jews
are really like, hesitate to attack them. People don't want to be seen
as bullies. They don't want to be seen as so insensitive that they
would criticize the Jews, who already have suffered so much, poor
dears, at the hands of anti-Semites.
In several past broadcasts we've looked at a number of the lies and
exaggerations and distortions that make up the "Holocaust" story.
There are a number of good books available on the subject from the
sponsor of this broadcast, National Vanguard Books, including Norman
Finklestein's excellent book The Holocaust Industry, which I discussed
in an earlier broadcast. The point is that despite the lies, despite
the fact that many knowledgeable Americans are aware of the lies, the
"Holocaust" still serves its purpose for the Jews. People are afraid
of the image conjured up by the "Holocaust."
Perhaps it's that American life is too soft... Whatever the reason,
many otherwise knowledgeable and hardheaded Americans just can't
entertain the idea of rounding up the Jews and getting rid of them,
even when the situation is as urgent as it is in America today. And
really, in the long run that is the only way to solve the Jewish
problem.
The Germans understood that, back in the 1930s, and they had the
courage and the foresight to act on their understanding. Unlike
Americans today, they had an honest government concerned above all
with the survival, welfare, and progress of the German people, and
they began doing what was necessary, forcing the Jews to emigrate
wholesale from Germany beginning in 1933. And because of that the
Jewish propaganda machine has attacked the Germans so viciously, has
so blackened and demonized their image, that today even knowledgeable
people are afraid to be associated with that image. They are afraid to
say that the Germans were right, that the Germans were justified, and
that we need to do the same if we are to survive. So, as I said, the
"Holocaust" story, despite its
glaring discrepancies and lies, still serves as a shield for the Jews;
it still protects them from criticism.
Well, mostly. In parts of Europe not quite as poisoned by Jewish
propaganda as America is, the shield has slipped a bit. A large
British department store chain, Selfridges, has yielded to demands
from anti-Israel demonstrators and has removed from its shelves
products marked "Made in Israel." Last week the second largest
supermarket chain in Norway, Coop Norge -- which is to say, Norway
Coop, announced its decision to boycott all Israeli imports. That
decision was not the result of pressure from anti-Israel demonstrators
but was based on the feeling by Coop Norge management that it would be
immoral to continue supporting the Israeli economy by selling Israeli
imports under the
present circumstances. That is a step forward, though it is a long way
from what is needed.
The Jews, of course, immediately began waving their "Holocaust" story
around, and now, as the boycott movement catches hold in Scandinavia,
they are trying to portray themselves as injured innocents being
attacked once more by "anti-Semites." They are comparing the growing
Scandinavian boycott of Israeli products to the German boycott of
Jewish merchants in the late 1930s. Certainly, a boycott of Israeli
products is a good thing, and the fact that such a boycott is even
thinkable by big businessmen today is a sign that the Jewish mystique
-- and in particular the Jewish "Holocaust" story -- is becoming a bit
shopworn. It no longer has the hypnotic power that it once had -- at
least, in some parts of the world. And I suppose that we should be
happy about that. The unfortunate fact remains, however, that in
America the Jews still have their money and
their media and their entrenched network of bureaucrats, and even if
the "Holocaust" story has lost some of its charm in Europe, it still
keeps most knowledgeable Americans intimidated.
Knowledge isn't enough. Courage and boldness also are necessary.
Honesty and forthrightness are necessary also. Tiptoeing around the
critical issues of our time isn't enough. Tiny reforms in our
disastrous foreign policy and in our disastrous immigration policy and
in a dozen other disastrous policies aren't enough. We need to stop
apologizing to the people who are destroying us and go full bore at
destroying them instead.
Instead of being hypnotized by the "Holocaust" story we need to look
with clear eyes at why there was a need for action against the Jews in
Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. The Jews' claim today that the Germans
were suffering from collective insanity and had no reason for trying
to get the Jews off their backs is as phony as George Bush's claim
that
Osama bin Laden had no reason for attacking America on September 11.
Wherever Jews go they corrupt and destroy. That is their nature,
always and everywhere. Let us be thankful to the Palestinians who now
are making such terrible sacrifices to help the world see what the
Jews are like. And I suppose we also should be thankful to Ariel
Sharon for demonstrating so forthrightly to the world what Jews are
like.
Let us hope that the conflict between Jews and Palestinians
intensifies and lasts long enough to wake up many more of our people
around the world and fill them with disgust at America's continuing
support for the Jews. Let us hope that it lasts long enough to bring
about the overthrow of every collaborationist regime in the Muslim
world. Let us hope that it brings about an airtight oil embargo
against the United States and shuts off the lights in every shopping
mall and every sports stadium in America long enough for the lemmings
to become restless and begin asking questions. Let us hope that it
makes the efforts of every fool and every traitor who is striving for
a resumption of the so-called "peace process" so obviously futile that
these efforts no longer have the power to deceive anyone.
Ultimately, of course, we must not depend on the Palestinian suicide
bombers or on Ariel Sharon's murder squads to do for us what we should
be doing for ourselves. Ultimately we must stop tiptoeing and begin
marching boldly and forthrightly toward solving our own problems."
>
>The area now occupied by Israel was primarily Jewish land until the
>diaspora. It was reclaimed by its previous owners. The usurpers don't
>like it.
The Old Testament does say that God likes one race of people more than
others. It calls this race the Israelites. Nature wants the most
advanced and evolved race to take over. This is obviously the White
race. Compare Europe to Africa.
This is the definition of the word "adam" in Strong's Concordance:
"to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:- be
(dyed, made) red (ruddy)."
This can only be describing a White man. Look at people today
and see which ones have rosy red cheeks. They are light skinned White
people.
The Bible says David was ruddy. This is the definition of the
Hebrew word "ruddy":
"reddish (of the hair or of the complexion):-red, ruddy."
David had rosy cheeks (or red hair) and did not look like a
typical Jew.
The original Israelites were White people.
Jews are like the American Indians of today. These people say they
are Indians but the original Indians were clearly described as having
red skin. Today Indians may look brown or white, but not red. Neither
are Jews like the original Israelites.
The religious leaders of the Jews were the Pharisees. Jesus
condemned them in the harshest words.
Matthew 23:33 "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye
escape the damnation of hell?"
The New Jewish Encyclopedia, edited by David Bridger, PH.D in
association with Samual Wolk, Rabbi, J.S.D, copyright 1962, Published
by Behrman House, inc.,1261 Broadway, New York 1, N.Y., Library of
Congress Catalog Card Number: 62-17079, says on page 376:
"The Pharisees are therefore regarded as those authorities who helped
develop and preserve traditional Judaism as it is known today."
The old drawing of Jesus were probably correct. He probably had blond
hair and blue eyes.
John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would
not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."
John 20:19 "the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled
for fear of the Jews"
2 Co 11:24 "Of the Jews five times recieved I forty stripes save
one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned"
Mathew 27: 20+25 "But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the
multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus...then
answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our
children."
Acts 25:24 "ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews
have dealt with me, both at Jerusalem and also here, crying that he
ought not to live any longer."
John 8:42,44,48 "Jesus said unto them...Ye are of your father the
devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from
the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth
in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a
liar, and the father of it...Then answered the Jews..."
>
>Gee, I guess it is high time the Muslims get over it. The Jews are not
>going away. Israel is the only non-Arab state in the area.
Israel Line - Friday, June 10, 2005
Thousands Participate in Gay Pride Parade in Tel Aviv.
Thousands of people took to the streets of Tel Aviv this
afternoon to participate in the city's annual gay pride parade,
HA'ARETZ reported. The parade set out from Rabin Square and was to end
in Yarkon Park, where musical performances were planned.
MKs Yosef Lapid (Shinui), Eitan Cabel (Labor) and Zehava Gal-On
(Yahad), as well as Tel Aviv Mayor Ron Huldai, were set to speak at
the event.
The chairman of the national Association of Gay Men, Lesbians,
Bisexuals and Transgender in Israel, Mike Hamel, said today the parade
was organized with the "close cooperation" of the Tel Aviv
municipality. "It's great to see it, and great that it's one of the
few places in the world that has the support of a municipal body, a
government body," he said.
Hamel said the event is called a "pride parade," because it has
to do with "being proud of the way we are and the demand to accept
every person as a person, as he is, and not trying to change him."
Full story:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/586950.html
By 1992, lesbian and gay activists had succeeded in getting the
Knesset to amend Israel's Equal Workplace Opportunities Law to outlaw
discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
In 1993, the Israeli military rescinded its few regulations
discriminating against gays and lesbians. And in 1994, the Israeli
Supreme Court ordered El Al Israel Airlines to grant a free plane
ticket to the partner of a gay flight attendant, as the airline had
long done for heterosexual partners of employees.
http://www.thegully.com/essays/gaymundo/020220_gay_israel_history.html
>
>Now *that's weird*. I think the Jews have managed to live with the
>Arabs being infuriated.
>
>
>That's false. The religious fundamentalism was there before the fall of
>either Nasser or Saddam.
Judeo Christians think it is the "end times" even though it has been
the "end times" for over two thousand years so far. They think the one
and only hope is for Jesus to return and straighten everything out.
And a big part of the plan is the destroy the world. They think wars
and everything being blown up is a great thing because it means Jesus
will return soon.
Marxists were murderous lowlifes but they said religion is the opium
of the masses. There obviously is some truth to that. Enemies often
have some truth in their arguments. On top of the opium there is the
Jewish propaganda started by Scofield.
Christians are great for telling what some of the problems are, such
as homosexual perversion, feminism etc. But to actually solve these
problems one should look elsewhere. Who do Christians hate the most,
first Hitler and then the Muslims. These are the two who actually
solved the problems that Christians are famous for speaking against.
Maybe the Muslims go a little overboard but they are the opposite of
liberalism. There is no way that "Brokeback Mountain" would be shown
in a Muslim country.
Dave Heil
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:27:35 -0500, Dave Heil <k8...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> Americans are constantly told that they have to defend themselves
>>> against people who "hate them", but without understanding why they are
>>> hated.
>> That's odd. I've never been told that and I'm an American. I don't
>> know anyone who has been told such a thing. I think Jean Bricmont just
>> made that up.
>>
>> Is the cause our secular democracy?
>>
>> Our? Is Jean an American? America has been secular but not a
>> democracy. America is a representative republic.
>
>> Sweden--far more secular? Really? Sweden has a state church. America
>> has never had a state church.
>>
>>
>> I lived in the third world for a goodly part of my working life. I
>> never disguised that fact that I was an American and I seldom
>> encountered a noticeable dislike for Americans.
>>
>>
>> It surely does. Let those in the Middle East start explaining their hatred.
>
> America is ruled by the Jews.
No, it is not. You've simply set forth another false premise without proof.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Just kill file the dumb son of a bitch.
Dave Heil
> Liberating America From Israel
>
> by Paul Findley
>
> Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had refused
> to help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express
> this conclusion publicly, but many believe it is the truth. I believe
> the catastrophe could have been prevented if any U.S. president during
> the past 35 years had had the courage and wisdom to suspend all U.S.
> aid until Israel withdrew from the Arab land seized in the 1967
> Arab-Israeli war.
I have a better idea. If you attack your neighbor and lose, you forfeit
any land the neighbor is able to seize from you. If Arabs didn't want
to lose their land, they should have attacked Israel the year I
graduated from high school. They're still beefing and carping 42 years
later.
Topaz
"After the Second World War, shortly before the United Nations
partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and non-Jewish areas, Jews
still made up less than one-third of the population of Palestine. The
1946 British census counted 608,000 Jews out of a total population of
1,845,000. The great majority of these Jews were recent immigrants,
whereas nearly all of the Arabs were natives who had roots in
Palestine going back many generations. What the Jews had that the
Palestinians didn't have, however, was a very substantial degree of
control of the governments of the United States and the United
Kingdom, and these two countries exerted a decisive influence on the
policies of the United Nations.
The result of this influence was the partition of Palestine in 1948
into separate Jewish and non-Jewish areas, with the one-third of the
population that was Jewish being awarded two-thirds of the land,
including the most valuable areas.
The Jews immediately set about ethnically cleansing their areas,
carrying out a number of horrifying massacres of non-Jewish
Palestinians and terrorizing tens of thousands of others into fleeing
from their homes, which immediately were seized and occupied by the
Jews. In a series of wars since 1948, the Jews, backed by the United
States, seized even more Palestinian land. The Palestinians who were
driven from their land-the real Palestinians, whose parents and
grandparents and great-grandparents had owned the land-were forced
into crowded and dirty refugee camps, where they still live. And
whenever one of these dispossessed Palestinians strikes back at the
Jews who stole his country from him, everyone in the Bush government,
from the chief liar on down, and everyone in the controlled media here
denounces the Palestinian as a "terrorist"-and all of the Sally
Soccermoms and Joe Sixpacks nod in agreement.
I'll tell you about one of these Palestinian "terrorists" you've
certainly heard mentioned by the media if you pay any attention at all
to what's happening in the world. He's called Abu Nidal: the most
feared Palestinian "terrorist" of them all. The name the man called
Abu Nidal was born with is Sabri al-Banna. He was born in 1937 in the
Palestinian coastal city of Jaffa. His family was one of the
wealthiest and most distinguished families in Palestine and owned,
among other things, more than 6,000 acres of orange orchards, which
were the major source of income for the family. When Sabri al-Banna
was an 11-year-old schoolboy, the Jews seized all of his family's
orchards and other lands, all of their houses, and everything else his
family owned, and he and his family ended up living in a tent in a
refugee camp in the Gaza strip. Quite a shock for a quiet,
introverted little boy.
The shock led him to dedicate his life to evening the score, to
gaining justice for his people, to striking back at the Jews who had
stolen all of his family's property and driven them into a refugee
camp. He built what was probably the most highly disciplined and
ruthless fighting organization on the Palestinian side. He struck not
only at Jews but also at Palestinians who collaborated or compromised
with the Jews. Whenever Abu Nidal's troops would strike,
machine-gunning Israeli tourists at an airport or bombing some Jewish
facility in another country, the politicians and the media here always
would go into hysterics about Arab "terrorism." I always cheered. Abu
Nidal is not some crazed murderer who likes to kill people. He is a
Palestinian patriot fighting for his people and for his country in the
only way he can fight under the circumstances. He does not "hate
America's freedom" as George Bush and the media would have you
believe. There is no reason for him to be an enemy of America, except
that we have made him an enemy by arming and financing the Jews who
stole his family's orange groves and forced him into a refugee camp.
Remember that whenever you buy an orange that came into America from
Israel: one of those sweet Jaffa oranges that are so favored by New
York Jews. That orange is stolen property. It belongs to Abu Nidal. It
was stolen from him by the Jew who sold it to you."