Re: OT_Rev.Wright
Cliff
>Looks like the Rev.Jeremiah kill Obama's chances yesterday.
>With some luck Hillary's spiritual advisor will have some comments.
>
>I hope it's Al Sharpton
>Daveb
http://www.obamain30seconds.org/pc/?t=3&id=12531-5850877-29pq1G
--
Cliff
Dan
I fail to see what the problem with Wright is.
I see the problem that the ignorati have with him: their own ignorance
is displayed for all to see, but if enough of them conspire to deny it,
then no one will notice THEM being ignorant.
Mark Twain was absolutely correct.
Dan
DaveB
Figures you can't see the problem
Daveb
fan of HCL, Jr
>
> >>> Looks like the Rev.Jeremiah kill Obama's chances yesterday.
> >>> With some luck Hillary's spiritual advisor will have some comments.
>
> >>> I hope it's Al Sharpton
> >>> Daveb
>
> >> http://www.obamain30seconds.org/pc/?t=3&id=12531-5850877-29pq1G
>
> >I fail to see what the problem with Wright is.
>
> >I see the problem that the ignorati have with him: their own ignorance
> >is displayed for all to see, but if enough of them conspire to deny it,
> >then no one will notice THEM being ignorant.
>
> >Mark Twain was absolutely correct.
>
> >Dan
>
> Figures you can't see the problem
>
> - Show quoted text -
Did anyone but me ever try to see the two minutes that came before the
"God Damn America" ending of that speech?
Ever wonder why they weren't spread all over the airwaves?
You can find them if you want to and you might be very surprised and
then know why they were omitted.
DaveB
<mid...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Apr 29, 4:34=A0pm, debc...@dslextreme.com (DaveB) wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:35:27 -0700, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Cliff wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:46:34 GMT, debc...@dslextreme.com (DaveB) wrote:=
>
>>
>> >>> Looks like the Rev.Jeremiah kill Obama's chances yesterday.
>> >>> With some luck Hillary's spiritual advisor will have some comments.
>>
>> >>> I hope it's Al Sharpton
>> >>> Daveb
>>
>> >> =A0http://www.obamain30seconds.org/pc/?t=3D3&id=3D12531-5850877-29pq1G
>>
>> >I fail to see what the problem with Wright is.
>>
>> >I see the problem that the ignorati have with him: their own ignorance
>> >is displayed for all to see, but if enough of them conspire to deny it,
>> >then no one will notice THEM being ignorant.
>>
>> >Mark Twain was absolutely correct.
>>
>> >Dan
>>
>> =A0 Figures you can't see the problem
>> Daveb- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Did anyone but me ever try to see the two minutes that came before the
>"God Damn America" ending of that speech?
>
>Ever wonder why they weren't spread all over the airwaves?
>
>You can find them if you want to and you might be very surprised and
>then know why they were omitted.
I have listened to it a number of times, whats the point?
Daveb
Dan
Yes, it does. I'm intelligent, well educated, and open-minded (not to
mention modest).
I've already described why you have a problem with him.
Dan
Dan
> In Message-ID:<ncORj.556$Q97...@newsfe07.lga> posted on Tue, 29 Apr
> 2008 16:35:27 -0700, Dan wrote: Begin
>> I fail to see what the problem with Wright is.
>
> that want's to appeal to his black half voters
> at the same time as his white half,
> because Wright shows a gaping rift between the two.
I'm white, a genuine American, and fairly well off. I have no problem
with Mr. Wright or his speeches.
No, there is no gaping rift between the two worlds, except for the
(mostly white) sheeple who actually believe what their political
masters, who rob them blind while selling them a pig in a poke, tell
them to believe.
You were saying?
Dan
DaveB
Don't you have a terribly empty feeling ---- in your skull?
Daveb
Dan
Nope. Should I?
Dan
Cliff
<gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:24:54 -0700, Garlicdude
><pul...@garlic.com> wrote:
>
>>doesn't mean he's not crazy
>>
>>--
>===========
>Yes, but he asks good questions, question that all of us should
>not only be asking but demanding answers to.
>
>One of the most critical is how/why recreational drugs are still
>a problem in America, given that we have spent literally
>trillions of dollars, and trampling on every ones' civil rights
>to prevent their importation, production, distribution and use.
>
>Its long past "get hot or go home" time.
>
>If "Bevis and Butt-head" can find their local pusher in 5
>minutes, why can't the police unless they are on the pad?
>
>If the DEA/FBI/etc. can't/won't control the drug epidemic, then
>the voters can at least eliminate the expense for their useless
>and largely extra-legal enforcement activities.
>
>Simple abolition of the DEA would save the taxpayers at least 1.7
>Billion dollars annually in current expenses, with considerable
>more accrued expenses [i.e. pensions/disability], and even more
>funds for futile eradication efforts involving right-wing death
>squads in Columbia, Mexico, etc. Abolition of the FBI
>participation in the "war on drugs" should yield similar savings.
>
>http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct040506.html
>
>Time to get rid of this [very expensive and useless] elephant
>repellant.
>
>
>Unka' George [George McDuffee]
>-------------------------------------------
>He that will not apply new remedies,
>must expect new evils:
>for Time is the greatest innovator: and
>if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
>and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
>what shall be the end?
>
>Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
>Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).
And we could pretty much empty at least half the jails at huge
savings to the poor taxpayer. Plus put people to productive work.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>They do have a history of mercilessly attacking military personnel though.
>They smeared Max Cleland, McCain, Kerry, and many others when they had
>nothing positive to stand on.
Well, you know the conditions GIs are expected to endure in just the
US ... looks like Google's news is being censored in the US ....
--
Cliff
Cliff
>He is a black racist, of which we have far far too many.
BS. You are a racist & a bigot.
--
Cliff
Monika Krug
> And we could pretty much empty at least half the jails at huge
> savings to the poor taxpayer. Plus put people to productive work.
Make drugs legal, guarantee their purity, accompany them by an
explanation of the dangers of using them, tax them. Works for the
Netherlands (without the accompanying paper I suggest).
One of the most important reasons to do it (besides individual rights
and the huge savings): It cuts down serious organized crime like the
Mafia. Don't believe it? Think of the time of Prohibition in the US.
Highest crime rate ever. Criminal organizations financed themselves by
bootlegging alcohol. The same is true for drugs today.
Monika.
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@arcor.de instead.
Shat T. Cat
Pot, kettle, black?
Cliff
<monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
But they would then probably be much less expensive !!!
Fewer thefts, etc.
--
Cliff
Monika Krug
Depends. The state could decide.
Cliff
wrote:
>On Apr 30, 8:33 pm, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:35:04 -0700, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> >He is a black racist, of which we have far far too many.
>>
>> BS. You are a racist & a bigot.
> Pot, kettle, black?
I'll again steal from The Duck (so blame him):
[
DaveB wrote:
> Rev.Jeremiah
A true patriot!
Wright gave up his student deferment, left college and joined the United
States Marine Corps and became part of the 2nd Marine Division with the rank
of private first class. In 1963, after two years of service, Wright then
transferred to the United States Navy and entered the Corpsman School at the
Great Lakes Naval Training Center, where he graduated as valedictorian.
Having excelled in corpsman school, Wright was then trained as a
cardiopulmonary technician at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda,
Maryland where he graduated as salutatorian. Wright was assigned as part of
the medical team charged with care of President Lyndon B. Johnson. Before
leaving the position in 1967, the White House awarded Wright three letters of
commendation
]
I sort of like Duckie <G>.
--
Cliff
Gunner
<monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
Actually...its NOT working for the most part in the Netherlands, if
you do some basic research.
>
>One of the most important reasons to do it (besides individual rights
>and the huge savings): It cuts down serious organized crime like the
>Mafia. Don't believe it? Think of the time of Prohibition in the US.
>Highest crime rate ever. Criminal organizations financed themselves by
>bootlegging alcohol. The same is true for drugs today.
And gun bans in Euro countries
>
>Monika.
Gunner
<ot...@shattcat.com> wrote:
Oddly enough, my black girlfriend, and my brown/black/yellow friends
would be the last folks to call me a racist. Realist, yes indeed.
Sometimes pointing out the truth is unpopular and can earn one the
racist tag.
Bigot, of course I am. I detest liberals, communists,
multigenerational welfare families, liver, and #2 round point shovels
to name a few things Im bigoted against.
But skin color has nothing to do with it. To paraphrase Dr. KIng, ,
its not the color of one skin, but the content of ones charector that
I care about.. Which means Im bigoted against fucktards like Cliff
too. Thats why he has been in my kill file for many years and I see
his spew only when piggy backed on someones reply.
I should note I know personally, far more black and brown racists,
than I do white ones, by an order of magnitude. Which of course the
libtards think is impossible..only white males can be racist.
Gunner
Monika Krug
Cites?
>> One of the most important reasons to do it (besides individual rights
>> and the huge savings): It cuts down serious organized crime like the
>> Mafia. Don't believe it? Think of the time of Prohibition in the US.
>> Highest crime rate ever. Criminal organizations financed themselves by
>> bootlegging alcohol. The same is true for drugs today.
>
> And gun bans in Euro countries
Let's see. Europe, no guns, low crime rate. US, guns, high crime rate.
Yeah, gun bans definitely cause crime.
Matt Stawicki
<monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>Gunner schrieb:
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:22:36 +0200, Monika Krug
>> And gun bans in Euro countries
>
>Let's see. Europe, no guns, low crime rate. US, guns, high crime rate.
>Yeah, gun bans definitely cause crime.
>
>Monika.
From:
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
* In the United States during 1997, there were 15,289 murders. Of
these, 10,369 were committed with firearms. (2)
* In the United States during 1997, there were approximately 7,927,000
violent crimes. Of these, 691,000 were committed with firearms. (12)
Here's another that shows that violent crimes commited with guns is
less than 10%
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/percentfirearm.htm
Guns don't cause crime, criminals do.
Matt
Bob Brock
<gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:23:57 -0700 (PDT), "Shat T. Cat"
><ot...@shattcat.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 30, 8:33 pm, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:35:04 -0700, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> >He is a black racist, of which we have far far too many.
>>>
>>> BS. You are a racist & a bigot.
>>> --
>>> Cliff
>>
>> Pot, kettle, black?
>
>
>Oddly enough, my black girlfriend, and my brown/black/yellow friends
>would be the last folks to call me a racist. Realist, yes indeed.
>Sometimes pointing out the truth is unpopular and can earn one the
>racist tag.
Since you have no brown/black/yellow friends, it's no wonder that they
don't call you a racist. They don't call such people friends.
Shat T. Cat
Gunner,
I would have to say that we share a number of opinions. However,
I like liver with onions. Haven't had any in a while, but I still
would say that I like it.
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Gunner
<monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
www.senliscouncil.net/documents/frank_bovenkerk
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1360-0443.1989.tb00780.x
>>> One of the most important reasons to do it (besides individual rights
>>> and the huge savings): It cuts down serious organized crime like the
>>> Mafia. Don't believe it? Think of the time of Prohibition in the US.
>>> Highest crime rate ever. Criminal organizations financed themselves by
>>> bootlegging alcohol. The same is true for drugs today.
>>
>> And gun bans in Euro countries
>
>Let's see. Europe, no guns, low crime rate. US, guns, high crime rate.
>Yeah, gun bans definitely cause crime.
Actually...many countries in Europe do have guns, and very low crime
rates, rates much lower than those without guns.
Norway, Finland, Switzerland etc are examples.
As for US and European crime rates.....you may wish to review that
erronious bit again...
http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000220.html
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html
>
>Monika.
Gunner
<ot...@shattcat.com> wrote:
Id rather eat a well used tennis shoe than liver...blahg!!!
<G>
GUnner
jon_banquer
> don't call you a racist. They don't call such people friends.
You have no way of knowing this. This is a Cliff Huprich / Tom
Brewer / Joe 788 Nazi propaganda tactic. You may not like him, you may
feel he's a racist but you simply don't know if he's friends with
someone who is "brown/black/yellow".
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
pyotr filipivich
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Thu, 01 May
2008 08:04:48 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
>
>Oddly enough, my black girlfriend, and my brown/black/yellow friends
>would be the last folks to call me a racist. Realist, yes indeed.
>Sometimes pointing out the truth is unpopular and can earn one the
>racist tag.
>
>Bigot, of course I am. I detest liberals, communists,
>multigenerational welfare families, liver, and #2 round point shovels
>to name a few things Im bigoted against.
>
>But skin color has nothing to do with it. To paraphrase Dr. KIng, ,
>its not the color of one skin, but the content of ones charector that
>I care about.. Which means Im bigoted against fucktards like Cliff
... regardless of race, color, creed or planetary origin.
>too. Thats why he has been in my kill file for many years and I see
>his spew only when piggy backed on someones reply.
--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."
Bob Brock
I would venture to guess that he and David Duke have about the same
number of friends who are "brown/black/yellow."
Gunner
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Whoever posted that bit about not having any black etc etc friends is
indeed ignorant, and the facts about my non-racist views can be
verified by a number of posters here, who actually do know me in the
Meat World.
And yes..I do face time with a number of folks here, but wont bring up
their names.
Gunner
Bob Brock
And then there are those with whom he won't do "face time" with.
jon_banquer
> On Fri, 2 May 2008 03:19:22 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
>
"venture to guess" is much better than your original statement of:
"Since you have no brown/black/yellow friends..."
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and no doubt others would
agree with you. Who knows I *might* even agree with you.
I have a problem when opinions are presented as fact and used to try
and hang someone.
Cliff
wrote:
Or someone whose ears leak green ooze when they are fed buzzwords.
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>I have a problem when opinions are presented as fact and used to try
>and hang someone.
<Snicker>
<Snicker>
<Snicker>
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>On May 2, 8:05 am, Bob Brock <bbr...@i-americia.net> wrote:
Both you & Gummer are self-hanging.
Interesting skill & aptitude.
>
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>Which means Im bigoted against fucktards like Cliff
>
> ... regardless of race, color, creed or planetary origin.
Nobody knows where WingerVille's bunkers all are.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:19:20 +0200, Monika Krug
><monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>
>>Gunner schrieb:
>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:22:36 +0200, Monika Krug
>
>>> And gun bans in Euro countries
>>
>>Let's see. Europe, no guns, low crime rate. US, guns, high crime rate.
>>Yeah, gun bans definitely cause crime.
>>
>>Monika.
>
>From:
>http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
>
>* In the United States during 1997, there were 15,289 murders. Of
>these, 10,369 were committed with firearms. (2)
There were 38,317 firearms deaths in the US in 1991 compared to
54,862 motor-vehicle- related deaths per the CDC.
The CDC projected firearms deaths to exceed motor-vehicle- related
deaths in a few years at that time.
Too bad that they ordered the CDC to quit producing the data a few
years ago .... another win for the wingers, repubs & gun lobbiests.
The party of denial by any means possible, including censorship
of the data.
>* In the United States during 1997, there were approximately 7,927,000
>violent crimes. Of these, 691,000 were committed with firearms. (12)
How many people were shot?
How many got punched in the nose bad enough to bleed?
>Here's another that shows that violent crimes commited with guns is
>less than 10%
>http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/percentfirearm.htm
How nice. So getting killed with guns is fine because getting
a nose punched is worse.
>Guns don't cause crime, criminals do.
Gee, and IF you have a gun & use it you usually become
a criminal.
Circular & self-defeating argument.
>Matt
Guns make criminals.
--
Cliff
pyotr filipivich
2008 09:26:33 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
You know, the funny thing was, I had to stop and think if I have
any friends "of color". Took a while, but then "Oh yeah, so & so
isn't Caucasian..." It may be that I don't keep track of my friends
and acquaintances by racial classification.
Reminds me of a consciousness raising sketch I saw, back in the
late sixties. Kid comes home, parent asks him about his new friend.
Finally The Mom ask "Well, is he colored?" "I don't know, I'll have
to ask him." and the lights come up and both actors are wearing green
face paint.
Gunner Asch
Bobby Blockhead has only opinions, and typically fatally flawed ones
at that. Frankly, he is as stupid as a bag of doorknobs. One only has
to google his posts for years to wonder why he has managed to survive
this long.
Like Clitt...Ive had the dumbtard killfiled for years, and only see
his drool piggy backed on others posts.
The day his posts stop, will be the day his guardian angel took a piss
break and Bobby takes himself out of the gene pool
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Indeed. I was sitting in the "Backdoor" bar a couple weeks ago, in
Pomona, chatting with a couple people, playing a little pool, and one
of them missed a pool shot, and the other chided him "nigger, you
cant play pool for shit"...and it dawned on me that they were both
black. It simply really didnt mean shit, so just didnt sink in. The
bouncer is on sabatical from a teaching job, and we were having a deep
discussion about economics and "white flight" came up and he started
for a second, as it dawned on him that I was white..chuckle
Is there a black culture? Yes. Are there many different white
cultures, hell yes, same with Latino, many different asian ones...some
good, some bad, most are just different ways folks use to get by, day
by day.
Gunner
jon_banquer
Bob Brock restated what he said as an opinion and not as a fact. I'm
comfortable with that. It's his opinion and he's certainly entitled to
it. If you have a beef with Bob Brock that's between you and him.
Seems like a nice enough person to me and I thought he took my
criticism with his approach well. Hopefully both of you will one day
find some common ground.
I can certainly understand why you will never have any common ground
with a liar and Anti-Semite like Cliff Huprich. Neither will I. I bet
I haven’t responded to anything Cliff Huprich posts in two years. I
don’t even bother to read what he posts anymore.
Hawke
"Cliff" <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:8c6o141rss89arb5l...@4ax.com...
Do you have any statistics on how many crimes were committed before the
invention of guns? I know this is just a wild guess on my part but my
knowledge of human nature tells me that before guns were invented there were
just as many and probably more assaults, murders, and other violent acts
against each other than there are now. The only difference between then and
now is that we have guns now. I'll wager that when there were only edged and
blunt weapons available the amount of crime was even higher than now. If
that is true, then the invention of guns did nothing to increase mankind's
penchant for crime, and therefore the elimination of them won't have any
effect on crime either. Crime is inherent in the human animal not in the
tools he uses. It's the nature of the beast.
Hawke
pyotr filipivich
May 2008 14:58:51 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
>
>>>And yes..I do face time with a number of folks here, but wont bring up
>>>their names.
>>
>> You know, the funny thing was, I had to stop and think if I have
>>any friends "of color". Took a while, but then "Oh yeah, so & so
>>isn't Caucasian..." It may be that I don't keep track of my friends
>>and acquaintances by racial classification.
>>
>> Reminds me of a consciousness raising sketch I saw, back in the
>>late sixties. Kid comes home, parent asks him about his new friend.
>>Finally The Mom ask "Well, is he colored?" "I don't know, I'll have
>>to ask him." and the lights come up and both actors are wearing green
>>face paint.
>
>
>Indeed. I was sitting in the "Backdoor" bar a couple weeks ago, in
>Pomona, chatting with a couple people, playing a little pool, and one
>of them missed a pool shot, and the other chided him "nigger, you
>cant play pool for shit"...and it dawned on me that they were both
>black. It simply really didnt mean shit, so just didnt sink in. The
>bouncer is on sabatical from a teaching job, and we were having a deep
>discussion about economics and "white flight" came up and he started
>for a second, as it dawned on him that I was white..chuckle
>
>Is there a black culture? Yes. Are there many different white
>cultures, hell yes, same with Latino, many different asian ones...some
>good, some bad, most are just different ways folks use to get by, day
>by day.
I knew a (white) guy who was raised up in the ghetto. So he spoke
"jive", and all the rest. And the looks he got when he'd shift
dialects.
At the other extreme is Ruth. She grew up on Indian food, so
trying "something different" is The Sizzler.
LOL, that reminded of a friend's friend, also named "Ruth". She
was a convert to Judaism as her husband was Jewish, and had married
her while he was in Korea. So Ruth spoke English with a
Yiddish/Korean accent.
It isn't so much that it takes all kinds, as we got all kinds. B-)
pyotr
fan of HCL, Jr
>
> I should note I know personally, far more black and brown racists,
> than I do white ones, by an order of magnitude. Which of course the
> libtards think is impossible..only white males can be racist.
>
> Gunner
I think that makes sense. Most whites are not subject to racism, so
who should they be racists? Few people are like you with friends (I
assume) of all colors with whom you can have honest talks. I've heard
some horror (non-violent) tales in my seven decades and am glad to
have seen improvements,
I've been called a Red, a Redneck, a White Devil and a Blue Blood.
What could make me more American than that?
fan of HCL, Jr
But what part of San Diego?
Bario Logan?
La Jolla?
Grantville?
Hillcrest?
Del Cerro?
I suppose that I could go get the directory...
Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:
In Japan, where ownership of guns is banned, they do the school
massacre bit with either knives or swords.......
On the other hand Vermont, where I believe there are almost no state
laws governing gun ownership, or use, has one of the lowest crime
rates in the country....
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
Cliff
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>I was sitting in the "Backdoor" bar a couple weeks ago
Pretty good gay pick-up bar, eh?
--
Cliff
Cliff
<monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>> But they would then probably be much less expensive !!!
>
>Depends. The state could decide.
Huge markups & profits now I gather.
--
Cliff
Cliff
I once checked a few things. Gun crimes & deaths are extra it seemed.
The UK, Japan, Canada .... all had stats similar to the US for things
like murders EXCEPT that those by gunfire are added in the US. IOW
the US has ~ the same rates of murders by knives, poison, etc.
>I know this is just a wild guess on my part but my
>knowledge of human nature tells me that before guns were invented there were
>just as many and probably more assaults, murders, and other violent acts
>against each other than there are now. The only difference between then and
>now is that we have guns now. I'll wager that when there were only edged and
>blunt weapons available the amount of crime was even higher than now. If
>that is true, then the invention of guns did nothing to increase mankind's
>penchant for crime, and therefore the elimination of them won't have any
>effect on crime either. Crime is inherent in the human animal not in the
>tools he uses. It's the nature of the beast.
Grabbing the nearest handy gun (or stealing or inheriting one)
makes killing rather easy & with less risk, work & mess. Not
much thinking needed either so wingers like them.
I doubt that one gun-related crime in ten was done
with a gun purchased to commit crimes with.
And the non-criminal brandishes a gun .... instant criminal.
They got that gun to "protect" themselves from what they
become *because they got the gun*. It's circular.
And whoever shoots first wins anyway .. so any decent
criminal would shoot before the other guy can draw *if the
other guy has a gun*.
>Hawke
>
--
Cliff
Cliff
<decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
>On the other hand Vermont, where I believe there are almost no state
>laws governing gun ownership, or use, has one of the lowest crime
>rates in the country....
Vermont has a low population density IIRC. And few poor.
Don't blame guns.
In 2006 the US had a murder rate of 5.7 per 100,000.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
Vermont had a rate of 1.9 per 100,000.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/vtcrime.htm
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>I can certainly understand why you will never have any common ground
>with a liar and Anti-Semite like Cliff Huprich. Neither will I. I bet
>I haven’t responded to anything Cliff Huprich posts in two years.
I did not know that gummer was Jewish.
A close relative?
Ask him about those "WMDs".
>I don’t even bother to read what he posts anymore.
Hence your continued clueless errors & clueless lies,
right?
--
Cliff
Cliff
>On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:19:20 +0200, Monika Krug
><monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>
>>Gunner schrieb:
>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:22:36 +0200, Monika Krug
>>> <monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cliff schrieb:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:28:29 -0500, F. George McDuffee
>>>>> <gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:24:54 -0700, Garlicdude
>>>>>> <pul...@garlic.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> doesn't mean he's not crazy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>> Yes, but he asks good questions, question that all of us should
>>>>>> not only be asking but demanding answers to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the most critical is how/why recreational drugs are still
>>>>>> a problem in America, given that we have spent literally
>>>>>> trillions of dollars, and trampling on every ones' civil rights
>>>>>> to prevent their importation, production, distribution and use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its long past "get hot or go home" time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If "Bevis and Butt-head" can find their local pusher in 5
>>>>>> minutes, why can't the police unless they are on the pad?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the DEA/FBI/etc. can't/won't control the drug epidemic, then
>>>>>> the voters can at least eliminate the expense for their useless
>>>>>> and largely extra-legal enforcement activities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simple abolition of the DEA would save the taxpayers at least 1.7
>>>>>> Billion dollars annually in current expenses, with considerable
>>>>>> more accrued expenses [i.e. pensions/disability], and even more
>>>>>> funds for futile eradication efforts involving right-wing death
>>>>>> squads in Columbia, Mexico, etc. Abolition of the FBI
>>>>>> participation in the "war on drugs" should yield similar savings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct040506.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time to get rid of this [very expensive and useless] elephant
>>>>>> repellant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unka' George [George McDuffee]
>>>>> And we could pretty much empty at least half the jails at huge
>>>>> savings to the poor taxpayer. Plus put people to productive work.
>>>> Make drugs legal, guarantee their purity, accompany them by an
>>>> explanation of the dangers of using them, tax them. Works for the
>>>> Netherlands (without the accompanying paper I suggest).
>>>
>>> Actually...its NOT working for the most part in the Netherlands, if
>>> you do some basic research.
>>
>>Cites?
>
><http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:hmnfho-WTugJ:www.dpna.org/drugissues/failure_of_dutch_drug_policy.htm+netherland+drug+failure&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a>
You just have to love illiterate wingers that cannot even read & grasp their
own "cites".
[
Here are the figures of the Trimbos Institute, the public health advisory body.
Heroin use among pupils in 1997 averaged 1 per cent. Cocaine use among pupils in
1997, 4 per cent, (second only after the U.S.). Amphetamine use among pupils in
1997: 8 per cent (third place after UK and the U.S.) and finally the popular
'hard' drug Ecstasy, 8 per cent (second after Ireland).
]
Illegal in the US but more use there.
Legal = lower use. And not a crime.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>As for US and European crime rates.....you may wish to review that
>erronious bit again...
>
>http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000220.html
>http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
>http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html
Not much from guncite is to be trusted.
Try legit sources.
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>> >-------------------------------------------
>> >He that will not apply new remedies,
>> >must expect new evils:
>> >for Time is the greatest innovator: and
>> >if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
>> >and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
>> >what shall be the end?
>>
>> >Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
>> >Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).
>>
>> And we could pretty much empty at least half the jails at huge
>> savings to the poor taxpayer. Plus put people to productive work.
>
> I see a problem with this idea. Many of those people, DEA, FBI,
>and jail-birds don't know how to do productive work and are not
>retrainable. That means that a lot of them will just end up on a
>different part of the taxpayer's dollar.
Even in those cases it's cheaper.
Even wingers can probably be reeducated & trained too.
--
Cliff
Cliff
<monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>And actually in the US prisons there are a lot of people who just got
>caught with marijuana three times.
First offense was 20 to life ....
--
Cliff
jon_banquer
Pick the one you like.
Monika Krug
> Do you have any statistics on how many crimes were committed before the
> invention of guns? I know this is just a wild guess on my part but my
> knowledge of human nature tells me that before guns were invented there were
> just as many and probably more assaults, murders, and other violent acts
> against each other than there are now. The only difference between then and
> now is that we have guns now. I'll wager that when there were only edged and
> blunt weapons available the amount of crime was even higher than now. If
> that is true, then the invention of guns did nothing to increase mankind's
> penchant for crime, and therefore the elimination of them won't have any
> effect on crime either. Crime is inherent in the human animal not in the
> tools he uses. It's the nature of the beast.
Then, I suppose, Americans must be a different species from Europeans?
Monika.
--
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers ... Each one owes
infinitely more to the human race than to the particular country in
which he was born. - Francois Fenelon, theologian and writer (1651-1715)
E-mail address is valid until 4 weeks after the expiration date. Use
@arcor.de instead.
Monika Krug
When?
*
Since you are crossposting on a metalworking group, I am hoping you will be
able to tell me the difference between a reversing and a non-reversing
tapping attachment.
Can you help me out, Moanika?????
Gunner Asch
Few minorities are subject to racism directed in their direction. Not
blacks, not browns, not asians.
The question has been asked many times of blacks (for example) if they
PERSONALLY had been subject of racism, and universally they say "no,
Ive not, but I've heard that....."
Race baiters such as Jesse Jackson, Farrakan, Sharpton etc etc have
managed to ingrain such beliefs into the black culture, making them a
group of pyschological victims of racism, foisted on them not by
whites, but by their own leadership/culture.
The exception now being the antagonism/racism between blacks and
latinos. And it in many places, is becoming epidemic. I posted the
links a few days ago on the attempts of the new immigrants (latinos)
to displace the blacks in many parts of the US.
Blacks are the hardest hit of all Americans as a result of massive
illegal immigration. Blacks typically used to hold the lower skilled
trades, carpenters, roofers, ditch diggers, warehouse workers etc etc
and they have been largely completely run out of those jobs by illegal
aliens who are willing to work for peanuts
If we ever have a race war in the US, it will be between blacks and
browns, not blacks and whites.
And in many cities, Southern California being a perfect example...its
already started.
Latinos ...primarily Mexicans, dislike blacks in the first
place..their racism is well established and has for many years and now
that they have become economic rivals for black jobs....
Gunner
Gunner Asch
<monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>Hawke schrieb:
>
>> Do you have any statistics on how many crimes were committed before the
>> invention of guns? I know this is just a wild guess on my part but my
>> knowledge of human nature tells me that before guns were invented there were
>> just as many and probably more assaults, murders, and other violent acts
>> against each other than there are now. The only difference between then and
>> now is that we have guns now. I'll wager that when there were only edged and
>> blunt weapons available the amount of crime was even higher than now. If
>> that is true, then the invention of guns did nothing to increase mankind's
>> penchant for crime, and therefore the elimination of them won't have any
>> effect on crime either. Crime is inherent in the human animal not in the
>> tools he uses. It's the nature of the beast.
>
>Then, I suppose, Americans must be a different species from Europeans?
>
>Monika.
Species? No. Mindset and culture? Fuck yes.
Americans have not gone on periodic waves of continent wide blood
baths.
Europeans are notorious for such.
Gunner
Darrell Stec
The only reason she is crossposting to (not on) a metalworking group is that
some chap or chapette from your group added the group previously. Since it
is difficult to tell from which group a poster sent a reply, she is only
being polite by keeping the group listing intact, else the person to whom
she is reply might think she is ignoring them.
But then I'm sure big, brave you, posting anonymously already realizes his
opinion doesn't even rise to the level of shit, now don't you?
--
Later,
Darrell Stec dar...@neo.rr.com
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
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Bob Brock
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 3 May 2008 23:34:47 -0700 (PDT), "fan of HCL, Jr"
><mid...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>On May 1, 8:04 am, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I should note I know personally, far more black and brown racists,
>>> than I do white ones, by an order of magnitude. Which of course the
>>> libtards think is impossible..only white males can be racist.
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>>I think that makes sense. Most whites are not subject to racism, so
>>who should they be racists? Few people are like you with friends (I
>>assume) of all colors with whom you can have honest talks. I've heard
>>some horror (non-violent) tales in my seven decades and am glad to
>>have seen improvements,
>>
>>I've been called a Red, a Redneck, a White Devil and a Blue Blood.
>>What could make me more American than that?
>
>
>Few minorities are subject to racism directed in their direction. Not
>blacks, not browns, not asians.
>
>The question has been asked many times of blacks (for example) if they
>PERSONALLY had been subject of racism, and universally they say "no,
>Ive not, but I've heard that....."
Hell, I've been subject to racism and I was born in North Carolina.
Such things happen when you walk around shopping with a latina wife
and conversing in Spanish.
BTW, I guess all those blacks over 50 years old have forgotten about
the "Colored" bathrooms and water fountains. The segregated schools
and colleges. The segregated neighborhoods.
You live in a fantasy world gummer.
John R. Carroll
> * wrote:
>
>> Hey Moanika....
>>
>>
>> Since you are crossposting on a metalworking group, I am hoping you
>> will be able to tell me the difference between a reversing and a
>> non-reversing tapping attachment.
>>
>> Can you help me out, Moanika?????
>
> The only reason she is crossposting to (not on) a metalworking group
> is that some chap or chapette from your group added the group
> previously.
Not actually. It was Cliff's doing and from the aol.tricks alt group.
Anyway. Monica is interesting - even to people that make things in the real
world for a living.
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
gk
jon_banquer wrote:
> On May 2, 8:05 am, Bob Brock <bbr...@i-americia.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 2 May 2008 03:19:22 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
>>
>><jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Since you have no brown/black/yellow friends, it's no wonder that they
>>>>don't call you a racist. They don't call such people friends.
>>
>>>You have no way of knowing this. This is a Cliff Huprich / Tom
>>>Brewer / Joe 788 Nazi propaganda tactic. You may not like him, you may
>>>feel he's a racist but you simply don't know if he's friends with
>>>someone who is "brown/black/yellow".
>>
>>I would venture to guess that he and David Duke have about the same
>>number of friends who are "brown/black/yellow."
>
>
> "venture to guess" is much better than your original statement of:
>
> "Since you have no brown/black/yellow friends..."
>
> You are certainly entitled to your opinion and no doubt others would
> agree with you. Who knows I *might* even agree with you.
>
> I have a problem when opinions are presented as fact and used to try
> and hang someone.
>
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CA
>
But Jonnie Boy, you are constantly presenting opinions as FACT. I guess
it's OK of you do it though, being the opinion king.
gk
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>In Message-ID:<iqvr14l04kqm4fgr5...@4ax.com> posted on
>Sun, 04 May 2008 11:34:51 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Begin
>
>>If we ever have a race war in the US, it will be between blacks and
>>browns, not blacks and whites.
>>
>>And in many cities, Southern California being a perfect example...its
>>already started.
>
>Seems to be a rather common theme these days
>in social group conflicts that escalate enough to make news,
>or as they say "gang related" hostilities.
Its not "social group" but competing economic groups.
Gunner
Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Bruce in Bangkok
You took the words right out of my mouth :-) Exactly what I was trying
to point out - it is people who commit crimes not guns.
But when written in those words it seems to make a large number of
people froth at the mouth and start to howl at the moon so I usually
pose the question about Vermont and people leap right in to prove my
point.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>In Message-ID:<ckes14122t64ae207...@4ax.com> posted on
>Sun, 04 May 2008 15:37:32 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Begin
>
>>Its not "social group" but competing economic groups.
>
>They refer to themselves as social groups,
They are wrong. Perhaps they could be considered "tribal groups"
>or in some cases a posse or krew,
>and of course competitive economics is essential to their existence.
And in many cases, they are competing for the sales and distribution
of recreational pharmacuiticals in a given area.
Like Kmart and Walmart with driveby killings.
Cliff
>Hey Moanika....
>
>
>Since you are crossposting on a metalworking group, I am hoping you will be
>able to tell me the difference between a reversing and a non-reversing
>tapping attachment.
None of he makers of the "non-reversing tapping attachments"
stayed in business long?
--
Cliff
Cliff
<monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>Cliff schrieb:
>
>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 12:44:20 +0200, Monika Krug
>> <monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>>
>>> And actually in the US prisons there are a lot of people who just got
>>> caught with marijuana three times.
>>
>> First offense was 20 to life ....
>
>When?
http://www.johnsinclair.us/10for2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30
Other people & places too no doubt.
--
Cliff
Cliff
<monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>Cliff schrieb:
>
>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 12:44:20 +0200, Monika Krug
>> <monik...@expires-2008-04-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>>
>>> And actually in the US prisons there are a lot of people who just got
>>> caught with marijuana three times.
>>
>> First offense was 20 to life ....
>
>When?
>
>Monika.
You could probably "volunteer" to go to Vietnam to kill little girls.
--
Cliff
Cliff
<decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
>On Sun, 04 May 2008 07:41:10 -0400, Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 04 May 2008 16:50:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
>><decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
>>
>>>On the other hand Vermont, where I believe there are almost no state
>>>laws governing gun ownership, or use, has one of the lowest crime
>>>rates in the country....
>>
>> Vermont has a low population density IIRC. And few poor.
>> Don't blame guns.
>>
>> In 2006 the US had a murder rate of 5.7 per 100,000.
>> http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
>> Vermont had a rate of 1.9 per 100,000.
>> http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/vtcrime.htm
>
>
>You took the words right out of my mouth :-) Exactly what I was trying
>to point out - it is people who commit crimes not guns.
>
>But when written in those words it seems to make a large number of
>people froth at the mouth and start to howl at the moon so I usually
>pose the question about Vermont and people leap right in to prove my
>point.
About low population density & few poor?
That has little to do with how handy guns are ...
>Bruce-in-Bangkok
>(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
--
Cliff
*
Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in article
<hknu14ttajpmho75f...@4ax.com>...
Thanks for answering a question I didn't ask - typical liberal..........
Don't you have a piece of CNC software that you promised to write for
someone????
Cliff
<darrel...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
>But then I'm sure big, brave you, posting anonymously already realizes his
>opinion doesn't even rise to the level of shit, now don't you?
LOL ....
--
Cliff
Cliff
It's a party <G>.
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
Probably stolen from a KKK Web Site ...
--
Cliff
Bruce in Bangkok
For some reason firearms seem to have become some sort of fetish, good
or bad, in the U.S. in the last 40 - 50 years. Simply making a simple
statement of fact that, "guns do not kill people; people kill people",
is enough to spark off an emotional outbreak with much hand wringing
and head shaking, about how bad guns are. There was even a thread on
one of the groups about a guy that wanted to learn to shoot but his
wife was so frightened of guns she wouldn't allow him to have one in
the house.
Rather then attempt to deal with these histrionics I generally point
out something like the Vermont case. People reply with the facts, as
above, and I say, "See?"
Bob Brock
Makes one wonder if gummer realizes that a fair number of Latinos,
mostly not Mexican, are black.
Gunner Asch
<decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
>>>
>>>You took the words right out of my mouth :-) Exactly what I was trying
>>>to point out - it is people who commit crimes not guns.
>>>
>>>But when written in those words it seems to make a large number of
>>>people froth at the mouth and start to howl at the moon so I usually
>>>pose the question about Vermont and people leap right in to prove my
>>>point.
>>
>> About low population density & few poor?
>> That has little to do with how handy guns are ...
>>
>
>For some reason firearms seem to have become some sort of fetish, good
>or bad, in the U.S. in the last 40 - 50 years. Simply making a simple
>statement of fact that, "guns do not kill people; people kill people",
>is enough to spark off an emotional outbreak with much hand wringing
>and head shaking, about how bad guns are. There was even a thread on
>one of the groups about a guy that wanted to learn to shoot but his
>wife was so frightened of guns she wouldn't allo
Its not become a fetish, but an issue due to the fact that the
anti-gun libtards and media have gone to such great lengths to ban
them.
Guns in the US are and have always been as common as dirt. But its
only been in the last 40-50 yrs that so many attempts (many
successful) to ban them, or to put onerous restrictions on the, and to
demonize the owners and ownership of firearms.
Do gun owners kneejerk? I think not. Its a legitimate response to
these attempts at removing them, and for the demonization that they
suffer at the hands of the media and so forth.
49% of all homes in the US contain at least one firearm. Yet those
owners are considered to be subhuman, or at best, untrustworthy by the
antis.
Considering the net benefit of firearms ownership has been well
covered, the continuing attempts by the Left against them, its damned
certain they are going to get a negative response when they attempt to
regulate out a Constitutional Right.
The NRA is a Civil Rights organization, every bit as much so as the
ACLU, yet the Left demonizes it. Which pretty much speaks volumes
about what the Left thinks about Civil RIghts. And its all bad.
fan of HCL, Jr
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:57:34 -0700 (PDT), "fan of HCL, Jr"
>
>
>
>
>
> <midl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >On Apr 29, 4:34=A0pm, debc...@dslextreme.com (DaveB) wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:35:27 -0700, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Cliff wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:46:34 GMT, debc...@dslextreme.com (DaveB) wrote:=
>
> >> >>> Looks like the Rev.Jeremiah kill Obama's chances yesterday.
> >> >>> With some luck Hillary's spiritual advisor will have some comments.
>
> >> >>> I hope it's Al Sharpton
> >> >>> Daveb
>
> >> >> =A0http://www.obamain30seconds.org/pc/?t=3D3&id=3D12531-5850877-29pq1G
>
> >> >I fail to see what the problem with Wright is.
>
> >> >I see the problem that the ignorati have with him: their own ignorance
> >> >is displayed for all to see, but if enough of them conspire to deny it,
> >> >then no one will notice THEM being ignorant.
>
> >> >Mark Twain was absolutely correct.
>
> >> >Dan
>
> >> =A0 Figures you can't see the problem
> >> Daveb- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Did anyone but me ever try to see the two minutes that came before the
> >"God Damn America" ending of that speech?
>
> >Ever wonder why they weren't spread all over the airwaves?
>
> >You can find them if you want to and you might be very surprised and
> >then know why they were omitted.
>
> I have listened to it a number of times, whats the point?
>
> Daveb- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why is just that the fifteen second segment is shown and not the full
thing.
We both kow the answer to that, don't we.)
fan of HCL, Jr
> > But what part of San Diego?
>
> Pick the one you like.
>
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CA
I bought a rental place in Hillcrest sight-unseen and live in La Mesa,
near Baltimore / Lk Murr Blvd.
Now, care to give your nearest intersection?
Bruce in Bangkok
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 06 May 2008 18:42:04 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
><decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>You took the words right out of my mouth :-) Exactly what I was trying
>>>>to point out - it is people who commit crimes not guns.
>>>>
>>>>But when written in those words it seems to make a large number of
>>>>people froth at the mouth and start to howl at the moon so I usually
>>>>pose the question about Vermont and people leap right in to prove my
>>>>point.
>>>
>>> About low population density & few poor?
>>> That has little to do with how handy guns are ...
>>>
>>
>>For some reason firearms seem to have become some sort of fetish, good
>>or bad, in the U.S. in the last 40 - 50 years. Simply making a simple
>>statement of fact that, "guns do not kill people; people kill people",
>>is enough to spark off an emotional outbreak with much hand wringing
>>and head shaking, about how bad guns are. There was even a thread on
>>one of the groups about a guy that wanted to learn to shoot but his
>>wife was so frightened of guns she wouldn't allo
>
>
>Its not become a fetish, but an issue due to the fact that the
>anti-gun libtards and media have gone to such great lengths to ban
>them.
I used the word "fetish" deliberately as the whole gun/anti-gun
movement has become almost a religion in its own right. "Guns are bad"
is the cry, as though an inanimate object can be good or bad. People
are "afraid" of guns. For God's sake! My grandmother wasn't "afraid"
of guns. I don't believe she ever fired one (it was a man's job to go
out and shoot a deer; her's was to cook it) but she was no more scared
of one then she was of grandfather's cross-cut saw or double bitted
axe.
>Guns in the US are and have always been as common as dirt. But its
>only been in the last 40-50 yrs that so many attempts (many
>successful) to ban them, or to put onerous restrictions on the, and to
>demonize the owners and ownership of firearms.
I have, down deep inside, the feeling that this has something to do
with the "civilization", for want of a more descriptive word, of the
U.S. public. If I were Mrs. Brady (was it) who's husband got shot I'd
be out waving signs and shouting "Hang the Bastard", but you see,
hanging someone is barbaric, so instead we shout "Ban the Guns".
Many years ago my Thai brother-in-law toted a 12 gauge shotgun down to
me. "Don't work", says he. After I fixed it I asked him why he wanted
the gun fixed and he replied, "Somebody stole my water buffalo". I
must have looked puzzled because he added, "The old gun didn't work
and I thought you could fix it". I asked him what the broken gun had
to do with the water buffalo being stolen and he said that he knew the
guy that stole the buffalo and he needed the gun to get the buffalo
back.....
Now, maybe I'm getting old but that makes a lot more sense to me then
"Somebody shot my husband, BAN GUNS". Does that make me a Right
Winger?
>Do gun owners knee jerk? I think not. Its a legitimate response to
>these attempts at removing them, and for the demonization that they
>suffer at the hands of the media and so forth.
The gun owners are a bunch of nuts! Probably their own worst enemy!
The basic problem is that the Government, or whoever you want to
designate as the Black Hats, are destroying what has been considered a
right since 1776, or there about. Why shouldn't I have the right to
own a gun - the Bill of Rights says I can. What is all the argument
about? A drug crazed pervert rapes and shoots a poor innocent maiden
on her way back from church and they holler "take away the guns!" I'm
not advocating mob rule but "lynch the bastard" seems to make more
sense to me.
Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but to my personal knowledge I
owned guns, my father owned guns, my grandfather owned guns, and my
great-grandfather owned guns. I do not doubt that my ancestors back to
1600-something owned guns and not a bloody one of us ever committed a
crime with a gun.
It seems logical to me (but as I say, maybe I'm getting on a bit) that
the guilty individual is the individual that commits the crime using a
gun and that is who we should be looking at. Not me or my granddad.
>
>49% of all homes in the US contain at least one firearm. Yet those
>owners are considered to be subhuman, or at best, untrustworthy by the
>antis.
>
If it wasn't so sad it would be humorous. When I was a lad, I'd guess
that probably 75% of the homes in the little New England village I
grew up in had some sort of a gun and as I remember there was not a
single gun crime from the time I was in grade school until I left home
to go to collage and even after my mother never mentioned anything
like that in her letters to me.
>Considering the net benefit of firearms ownership has been well
>covered, the continuing attempts by the Left against them, its damned
>certain they are going to get a negative response when they attempt to
>regulate out a Constitutional Right
Forget the benefits of gun ownership and concentrate on "they are
taking away your rights". My granddad had two deer rifles, a shotgun
and a .22 rifle stood in the corner behind the kitchen door as long as
I can remember and none of the grand-kids ever touched Granddad's guns
- kids used to be taught to mind (but that's another story) - and he
never held up a bank or shot anybody with them. He is long dead now
(God rest him) but what did he ever do that they should take his guns
away?
>The NRA is a Civil Rights organization, every bit as much so as the
>ACLU, yet the Left demonizes it. Which pretty much speaks volumes
>about what the Left thinks about Civil RIghts. And its all bad.
And, as I say, their own worst enemy. They appear to be re-active,
rather then pro-active. They should be concentrating on getting out
the vote! Ah ha, Senator Jones. You voted for a gun ban we are
advising our members NOT to vote for you. The civil righters did this,
and it worked, the labor unions did this, and it worked, the
anti-gunners did this, and it worked.
I don't think you can categorize it as Left or Right Wing as there
seems little difference in either side any more. I hate so call it
civilization but that is one word for it, perhaps wimpizing is
another.
A guy kills a whole family, rapes the 6 year old daughter, cuts her up
and eats her liver and there will be, I promise you, groups of people
saying, "it's barbaric to hang that bloke". and, in your lovely home
state they probably won't hang him. Manson is still alive and being
supported by the tax payers of California.
Now there is an election slogan, "Reduce Taxes! Hang the Murderers!"
I guess in retrospect I must be a Winger, of some sort, as I have this
feeling that prisons ought to be "profit centers" and make money, or
at least support themselves (labor intensive industries are where most
Asian countries got their start), and people who commit crimes should
be punished for it. The rest of us who are standing around drinking
ripple and having a good time ought to be left alone until we do
something bad.
In closing, I remember reading a science fiction story, years ago,
about a society where legal trials were held much like the Roman Games
with the lawyers down in the arena and the judges sitting on the
podium. After the evidence and arguments were presented and the
judgement made the crowd descended and tore the losing lawyer limb
from limb. Very few law suits in that place.
>Gunner
>
>Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
>illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
>unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
>proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
jon_banquer
I'll pass for now. Perhaps in the future. Who's HCL, Jr and why should
I know who this is?
jon_banquer
> near Baltimore / Lk Murr Blvd.
> Now, care to give your nearest intersection?
I've only lived here a little over a year but I have eaten at what I
thought was a very good restaurant in Hillcrest. Haven't seen any
Studebakers yet. Don't know the car very well. I like how they look.
Cliff
<decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
To show your biases & preconcptions & simple thinking OR
that you are posting propaganda.
It's people *with* guns.
Gun deaths are extra deaths. Their owners rarely think "Well,
I'm going to go find a brick & cool down". They already have the gun ..
>to spark off an emotional outbreak with much hand wringing
>and head shaking, about how bad guns are. There was even a thread on
>one of the groups about a guy that wanted to learn to shoot but his
>wife was so frightened of guns she wouldn't allow him to have one in
>the house.
She's not the dumb one.
>Rather then attempt to deal with these histrionics I generally point
>out something like the Vermont case. People reply with the facts, as
>above, and I say, "See?"
Thereby entirely missing the points. See?
>Bruce-in-Bangkok
>(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>On Tue, 06 May 2008 18:42:04 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
><decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>You took the words right out of my mouth :-) Exactly what I was trying
>>>>to point out - it is people who commit crimes not guns.
>>>>
>>>>But when written in those words it seems to make a large number of
>>>>people froth at the mouth and start to howl at the moon so I usually
>>>>pose the question about Vermont and people leap right in to prove my
>>>>point.
>>>
>>> About low population density & few poor?
>>> That has little to do with how handy guns are ...
>>>
>>
>>For some reason firearms seem to have become some sort of fetish, good
>>or bad, in the U.S. in the last 40 - 50 years. Simply making a simple
>>statement of fact that, "guns do not kill people; people kill people",
>>is enough to spark off an emotional outbreak with much hand wringing
>>and head shaking, about how bad guns are. There was even a thread on
>>one of the groups about a guy that wanted to learn to shoot but his
>>wife was so frightened of guns she wouldn't allo
>
>
>Its not become a fetish, but an issue due to the fact that the
>anti-gun libtards and media have gone to such great lengths to ban
>them.
Per gummer & his "cites" you have the fewest deaths when everybody
is packing a machine gun & the most when nobody has any guns at all.
He loves winger-"logic".
>Guns in the US are and have always been as common as dirt. But its
>only been in the last 40-50 yrs that so many attempts (many
>successful) to ban them, or to put onerous restrictions on the, and to
>demonize the owners and ownership of firearms.
And you don't have any pocket Nukes either we trust.
They too are arms.
>Do gun owners kneejerk?
They whine like babies.
>I think not. Its a legitimate response to
>these attempts at removing them, and for the demonization that they
>suffer at the hands of the media and so forth.
Like all those gun deaths getting counted. Not to mention non-fatal
wounds or more crimes of a more serious nature.
>49% of all homes in the US contain at least one firearm. Yet those
>owners are considered to be subhuman, or at best, untrustworthy by the
>antis.
And wingers are liars too.
>Considering the net benefit of firearms ownership has been well
>covered,
I posted on it & Florida <G>.
OTOH They have pills these days too.
>the continuing attempts by the Left against them, its damned
>certain they are going to get a negative response when they attempt to
>regulate out a Constitutional Right.
And you have no idea what it means (and lie about it).
>The NRA is a Civil Rights organization,
Nope. It's part of the gun-lobby.
>every bit as much so as the
>ACLU, yet the Left demonizes it. Which pretty much speaks volumes
>about what the Left thinks about Civil RIghts. And its all bad.
Having a gun is about the only "right" a winger cares about.
>Gunner
>
>Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
>illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
>unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
>proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
"The purpose of fighting is to win." - Gummer
--
Cliff
Cliff
<decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
>The basic problem is that the Government, or whoever you want to
>designate as the Black Hats, are destroying what has been considered a
>right since 1776, or there about.
The right is one reserved to the States to regulate arms.
Just like it says.
Just like they can regulate about anything else.
--
Cliff
Cliff
<decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
>Why shouldn't I have the right to
>own a gun - the Bill of Rights says I can.
No, it does not.
You really should try reading ALL of it someday. So should the
other wingers & gun nuts.
--
Cliff
Cliff
<decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
>Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but to my personal knowledge I
>owned guns, my father owned guns, my grandfather owned guns, and my
>great-grandfather owned guns. I do not doubt that my ancestors back to
>1600-something owned guns and not a bloody one of us ever committed a
>crime with a gun.
So what? Perhaps all had the measles too.
--
Cliff
Cliff
<decypher_...@signature.line> wrote:
>
>It seems logical to me (but as I say, maybe I'm getting on a bit) that
>the guilty individual is the individual that commits the crime using a
>gun and that is who we should be looking at. Not me or my granddad.
And you are going to find them in advance how, exactly?
Most of those doing crimes or shooting people with guns could
once have probably made the same claims.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>
>
>Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in article
><hknu14ttajpmho75f...@4ax.com>...
>> On Sun, 04 May 2008 10:32:41 -0500, "*" <nos...@this.addy.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hey Moanika....
>> >
>> >
>> >Since you are crossposting on a metalworking group, I am hoping you will
>be
>> >able to tell me the difference between a reversing and a non-reversing
>> >tapping attachment.
>>
>> None of he makers of the "non-reversing tapping attachments"
>> stayed in business long?
>> --
>> Cliff
>>
>
>Thanks for answering a question I didn't ask - typical liberal..........
Do you disagree?
>Don't you have a piece of CNC software that you promised to write for
>someone????
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
He's in hiding.
--
Cliff
Bruce in Bangkok
You see, you prove my point. Mention guns and the world goes mad.
But if your proposition that people with guns kill people why are the
Vermont figures so different? I can assure you that Vermonters own
guns. Perhaps the fact that Vermonters are pretty down to earth,
rational people might have something to do with it? Perhaps rational
people just don't kill other people, whether they have guns or not? Or
do you have some other explanation?
Bruce in Bangkok
Lad, you gonna argue at least learn to read first. The amendment says:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed.
The reference is:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html
Please get someone to explain the long words there, where is says,
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed." to you so you won't make such a fool of yourself next
time.
Bruce in Bangkok
I did read it, in its entirety back about 60 years ago in civics
class. Just read it again and Damn Me! It hasn't changed a bit:
See:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed. "
See lad, right there it says "the right of the people..." Just like
the little bit you quoted above.
Boy, you just got to learn to read. Back there in second grade when
Mrs. Jones was trying to teach you that all them funny looking
squiggles were LETTERS and you could actually make words out of them
you should have listened.