I dont really want to die yet
rifleman1
quarter given, but we want to ensure we dont destroy ourselves in our
eagerness to kill the muslims
Strabo
The Big Three - Jews, Christians and Muslims. An intense dislike
of Christianity is shared by Jews and Muslims, and vice versa.
I believe they are in competition to see Christianity in disrepute.
Do you suppose it is a battle for supremacy?
Brown Thumb
wrote:
>rifleman1 wrote:
>>
>> We need to deal with the fundamentalist threat to the free world with no
>> quarter given, but we want to ensure we dont destroy ourselves in our
>> eagerness to kill the muslims
I have Moslem friends and neighbors and coworkers. And Hindu ones,
and Jewish ones, including Isrealis, and Chinese, and, and and.
Fundamentalist threats exist in ALL these areas, not just Moslem.
Inclding Christianity.
>The Big Three - Jews, Christians and Muslims. An intense dislike
>of Christianity is shared by Jews and Muslims, and vice versa.
>I believe they are in competition to see Christianity in disrepute.
What Jews have you been talking to? This thing happened because
of U.S. support for Israel, including Christian support for Israel,
which Israeli's AND Moslems are VERY conscious of. The above
paragraph is totally weird.
>Do you suppose it is a battle for supremacy?
It started as a battle for land, but at this point, the Moslem
religion is the same age Christianity was when we invented
the Inquisition...not healthy for Jews, Moors, Moslems, women,
people who like to read their Bibles themselves, and anybody
who had property or enemies. If they follow the same pattern
Christianity did, we can expect to wait another 350 years before
their leaders start putting up with anybody but their own.
------------------------------------------------
Liberal in favor of the Second Amendment
tracy
real ones that is, share the same God. We share the same beliefs. Only
those on the fringes that focus on the miniscule differences and react to
them in unfaithful ways are a danger. Don't mean to sound preachy to an
intelligent gent like yourself, but I've had some pretty deep conversations
with some Jews and Muslims and they thought about God the same way I do. I
think it's sort of planned that way.
Strabo
Brown Thumb wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:42:50 -0400, Strabo <str...@flashmail.net>
> wrote:
>
> >rifleman1 wrote:
> >>
> >> We need to deal with the fundamentalist threat to the free world with no
> >> quarter given, but we want to ensure we dont destroy ourselves in our
> >> eagerness to kill the muslims
>
> I have Moslem friends and neighbors and coworkers. And Hindu ones,
> and Jewish ones, including Isrealis, and Chinese, and, and and.
> Fundamentalist threats exist in ALL these areas, not just Moslem.
> Inclding Christianity.
>
> >The Big Three - Jews, Christians and Muslims. An intense dislike
> >of Christianity is shared by Jews and Muslims, and vice versa.
> >I believe they are in competition to see Christianity in disrepute.
>
> What Jews have you been talking to? This thing happened because
> of U.S. support for Israel, including Christian support for Israel,
> which Israeli's AND Moslems are VERY conscious of. The above
> paragraph is totally weird.
Weird, huh? You want weird, you should have been around
in the 1st century AD to 900 AD. That's when Western
civilization really began.
Flash! Jerusalem, ca. 28 AD. The fundamentalist Jews have
disavowed the character Jesus. He dons the cloak of
a priest of the House of David and yet he knows the
Essenes and preaches that we, the real Jews, are
wrong and must change. He, claims to be the Messiah.
Not a chance. He is a traitor! Hang him.
Flash! Rome, 150 AD. Big doings as the Jews continue
to form various splinter groups. They still claim that
Jesus was either just a befuddled fool or a fool
AND a dangerous rebel. Some groups leave the area
while others stay and continue to intermarry with
Roman upper class and persecute the Christian sects.
[Note that there are no Moslems yet]
620 AD. Mohammed is on the move. He too claims to be the
Messiah but as a messenger of Allah. He claims that the
Jews have corrupted their works. He too is rejected by
the Jews. The Moslems claim that they have the direct and
true connections to God and Jesus was a great prophet
but that the Christians are wrong in their beliefs and
the Jews are worse.
900 AD. Christians have been a fully formed religion for
several hundred years. They now proclaim that the Jews
killed the Christ and that the only good Muslim is a
dead Muslim.
So, let the Crusades begin!
What's the point? All of these early views form the basis
for the literature and teachings of the Big Three
that are venerated by followers today. All these
writings are selected and taken out of context. All
were developed as a means of controlling
the followers. And, they fell for it. And so it
continues.
When one follower rants about another follower, he
is parroting ancient dictates and actions.
>
> >Do you suppose it is a battle for supremacy?
>
> It started as a battle for land, but at this point, the Moslem
> religion is the same age Christianity was when we invented
> the Inquisition...not healthy for Jews, Moors, Moslems, women,
> people who like to read their Bibles themselves, and anybody
> who had property or enemies. If they follow the same pattern
> Christianity did, we can expect to wait another 350 years before
> their leaders start putting up with anybody but their own.
It was never about land. It is about ego. About the
arrogant assumption that only their association with
their version of God is real.
We didn't invent the Inquisition. About 10 people within the
Catholic church were responsible.
You can wait another 1000 years and it will not have changed.
Only when a new epoch begins and the old is forgotten.
Chris Hill
>The threat is not from Muslims in general. Christians, Jews, and Muslims,
>real ones that is, share the same God. We share the same beliefs. Only
>those on the fringes that focus on the miniscule differences and react to
>them in unfaithful ways are a danger.
I think the danger is people who are at once closed-minded on the
issue of religion as well as smart on other issues. These people can
be talked into using their intelligence to "do work for god" because
they are able to learn enough to do well in society, but are unwilling
to stop listening to the cranks who taught them religion. I've never
understood how intelligent people can believe people less intelligent
than they are without question in one area, while continuing to think
critically in others.
---
Money to a politician is like blood supply to a cancer.
hil...@earthlink.net Columbia Missouri or thereabouts
Dan Goodman
hil...@earthlink.net says...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:04:34 -0500, tracy <tr...@ev1.net> wrote:
>
> >The threat is not from Muslims in general. Christians, Jews, and Muslims,
> >real ones that is, share the same God. We share the same beliefs. Only
> >those on the fringes that focus on the miniscule differences and react to
> >them in unfaithful ways are a danger.
>
> I think the danger is people who are at once closed-minded on the
> issue of religion as well as smart on other issues.
It doesn't have to be religion. It can be political beliefs, fairly
commonly. Or any of a number of other things -- though so far, no
architectural fanatics have gotten violent on that scale.
> These people can
> be talked into using their intelligence to "do work for god" because
> they are able to learn enough to do well in society, but are unwilling
> to stop listening to the cranks who taught them religion. I've never
> understood how intelligent people can believe people less intelligent
> than they are without question in one area, while continuing to think
> critically in others.
--
Dan Goodman
dsg...@visi.com
rifleman1
"tracy" <tr...@ev1.net> wrote in message news:3B9EDED2...@ev1.net...
> The threat is not from Muslims in general. Christians, Jews, and Muslims,
> real ones that is, share the same God. We share the same beliefs. Only
> those on the fringes that focus on the miniscule differences and react to
> them in unfaithful ways are a danger. Don't mean to sound preachy to an
> intelligent gent like yourself, but I've had some pretty deep
conversations
> with some Jews and Muslims and they thought about God the same way I do.
I
> think it's sort of planned that way.
>
bears well for freedom.
Cheese Monkey
Ok so we eradicate the Muslim Fundies Then what? we only killed off
1/4th the problem. We would then have the Atheist, Jewish & Christian
Fundies to hijack planes and ram them into things. I say do it right
the first time and eradicate ALL Fundamentalists.
Ike
Strabo
And leave only those who believe in nothing.
Unknown
>
>Ok so we eradicate the Muslim Fundies Then what? we only killed off
>1/4th the problem. We would then have the Atheist, Jewish & Christian
>Fundies to hijack planes and ram them into things. I say do it right
>the first time and eradicate ALL Fundamentalists.
>
>Ike
As a Christian Fundamentalist, I object to that plan.
jeriwho
twofish
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In article <3BB3DD13...@earthlink.net>, Cheese Monkey
<cheesem...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I say do it right
> the first time and eradicate ALL Fundamentalists.
>
> Ike
Sounds like a fundamentalists attitude.
Jeff Schwartz
"Strabo" <str...@flashnet.com> wrote in message
news:3BB41BC1...@flashnet.com...
No, he wants to geek the Atheists too.
Jeff Schwartz
"Cheese Monkey" <cheesem...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3BB3DD13...@earthlink.net...
(sigh) Cheese Monkey, when have you seen Jewish Fundamentalists hijack
planes?
Does Entebbe mean anything to you? That's about as close as Jews get to
hijacking planes...
Christian Fundies don't hijack planes - they attack abortion clinics. Or,
more accurately, a tiny, tiny fraction of them do.
Atheist Fundies... You might be able to put Harris and Klebold in that
catagory. If you stretched it.
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Reading the postings in the thread above, I have to conclude that you
folks here are very much like those in the forum where I was banned.
Your concerns are different, but you still have to deal with the real
world like everybody else. At the risk of being banned here too, I
will misquote myself "Bored with gaming ? G.E.T. Philosophy!" No
single book has a monopoly on wisdom. I lack wisdom myself, but do
know enough to see that I lack the big picture. Every day the picture
gets bigger for me, as it would for you too if you tried. So you
should read widely in literature, listen to lots and lots of music,
view and do a bit of art yourselves, try your hand at cooking, and
learn various arts and crafts. Finally, follow the boy/girl scout
motto "Be Prepared" ? Hah ! I propose a modification, "Prepare
yourselves to help others prepare". Like an avalanch it cascades into
self reliance rather than a grasping dependency on others for help....
LCC - meddling as usual
Strabo
And no doubt in following your path to wisdom, we would
eventually arrive at the conclusion that anyone with
principles should be ostracized.
Lonnie Courtney Clay
> Lonnie Courtney Clay wrote:
> >
> > Cheese Monkey <cheesem...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<3BB3DD13...@earthlink.net>...
> > > rifleman1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We need to deal with the fundamentalist threat to the free world with no
> > > > quarter given, but we want to ensure we dont destroy ourselves in our
> > > > eagerness to kill the muslims
> > >
>
> And no doubt in following your path to wisdom, we would
> eventually arrive at the conclusion that anyone with
> principles should be ostracized.
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All my life I have been ostracized, even when put with a "peer group",
with the exception of fellow gamers in a few cases. It has toughened
me up to the point where the only opinion which matters is my own.
Having grown bored with being a set of one, I now seek to drag others
around to my philosophical point of view, which is based on a set of
principles yet to be determined as I seek to accomodate/tolerate the
opinions of others. In the arena of philosophy, the only thing which I
will not tolerate now is intolerance, of which I have been rather
guilty in the past. So yes, I am kicking other people in the hopes
that someone will have the brains and guts capable of *** RATIONALLY
*** kicking back. If you have valid principles, be prepared to defend
them. If your principles are based upon animal emotions rather than
civilized rationality, then be prepared for scorn. On the other hand I
too have "gut feelings" that some things are intuitively wrong. I
suggest that you apply the principle of marginal utility in such
cases. In other words, will the world be a better place (will mankind
be better off) *** in the long run *** if the non rational path of
reasoning is followed.
Does that answer your question strabo = O'brats ?
If you want to make proper fun of MY name, buy Anagram Genius!
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Unknown
> So yes, I am kicking other people in the hopes
>that someone will have the brains and guts capable of *** RATIONALLY
>*** kicking back. If you have valid principles, be prepared to defend
>them. If your principles are based upon animal emotions rather than
>civilized rationality, then be prepared for scorn.
You've neglected the possibility that other people with differing
values from yours may not care what you think, and so even if they
disagree with you, the energy invested in "kicking back" might not be
worth the expenditure to them. For some people, tolerance is only
partly a virtue. Tolerance can also be seen simply as a great time
saver for those who are comfortable with their beliefs and like to
spend their time on achieving their goals rather than arguing with
people.
In other words, some people hope that you will be allowed to believe
what you choose to believe because they would rather cut the grass,
write a FAQ, build a model ship, have a few rounds of poker, etc.,
than sit around and try to change your mind. Quite frankly, I cannot
think of anything more tedious than taking you up on your offer.
jeriwho
Lonnie Courtney Clay
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I see your point. I shall be moving onward before long, but will
occasionally check back unless banned here too.
Lonnie Courtney Clay - A set of a different quirk. A peculiar gesture.