Need Ideas - Foods with shelf life in hot weather
Halcitron
>Newsgroups: misc.survivalism
>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:42:13 GMT
>
>It was 107 F in Phoenix yesteday and today. That tells me it's almost
>summer and it will start getting hot soon.
>
>I keep my BOB and a box with a weeks easy eat food in the vehicle
>during moderate weather but I pull the food in the summer.
>
>This thread comes up every year but it's time to re-ask the question
>and see if there are any new ideas on food that can have a reasonable
>life when the inside of a vehicle reaches maybe 140 F daily for four
>months straight. (It probably plumets to 80 F at night.)
>
>Thanks
>
>W§ in m.s - http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira
I keep PowerBars, Mellinium Bars* and water, in a fanny pack, in the cab of my
truck. During Summer, I add more water, for personal use and to give to people
as needed. The summer temperatures around here can reach 117F.
You could keep candies, gum, raisins, nuts, granola bars, fruit bars, dried
fruits, and more.
*
http://www.simplerlife.com/milleniumbars.html
http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/index.htm
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ice chests that are being sold now. Tossing in a chunk of the "blue ice"
stuff also helps a lot, but just the insulating properties of the ice chest
makes a big difference.
Also, window film helps and - ta daaaaa - a white car or truck helps most
of all.
"Winston §mith" <NOspa...@1stconnect.com> wrote in message
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Louis Boyd
It's makes the upholstry last a lot longer too.
--
Lou Boyd
Geoffrey L. Hardin
> >From: NOspa...@1stconnect.com (Winston §mith)
> >Newsgroups: misc.survivalism
> >Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:42:13 GMT
> >
> >It was 107 F in Phoenix yesteday and today. That tells me it's almost
> >summer and it will start getting hot soon.
> >
> >I keep my BOB and a box with a weeks easy eat food in the vehicle
> >during moderate weather but I pull the food in the summer.
> >
> >This thread comes up every year but it's time to re-ask the question
> >and see if there are any new ideas on food that can have a reasonable
> >life when the inside of a vehicle reaches maybe 140 F daily for four
> >months straight. (It probably plumets to 80 F at night.)
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >W§ in m.s - http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira
>
> I keep PowerBars, Mellinium Bars* and water, in a fanny pack, in the cab of my
> truck. During Summer, I add more water, for personal use and to give to people
> as needed. The summer temperatures around here can reach 117F.
>
> You could keep candies, gum, raisins, nuts, granola bars, fruit bars, dried
> fruits, and more.
Some other suggestions:
If you can find any. . .try military "Hooah!" bars which are meant for
such circumstances. Also, the freeze-dried foods (mountain house,
Alpine-aire, etc.) last quite well under such circumstances.
The "coast-guard rations" (aka Datrex and/or Mainstay) also tend to do
well under practically all circumstances.
One other recommendation might be to include your primary water source
in the bag, as well. Mainstay makes foil waterpackets designed for
long-term storage use. I keep my entire primary supply in the kit at
all times. This way, I don't have to go searching for drinkable
water right off the bat AND don't have to remember to rotate the water
supply every couple of months.
Just some thoughts, hope they help.
Geoffrey L. Hardin,
geo...@abcs.com
Edgar S.
temperatures like that are incompatible with human life. Now...if
someone had essentially the same body type and physical requirement of
a gila monster, or horned toad... Phoenix is a fine choice in homes.
Any life at all on the desert is going to entirely dependent on tech,
and enuf of it to comfortably get u the chuck out of there if anything
bad happens.
U need a house with working AC, a good dependable car and an open road
to bug out.
halc...@aol.comhatespam (Halcitron) wrote in message news:<20030523012917...@mb-m10.aol.com>...
Condor Chef
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> A TRUE survivalist doesn't LIVE in a place like Phoenix. Extremely hi
> temperatures like that are incompatible with human life. Now...if
> someone had essentially the same body type and physical requirement of
> a gila monster, or horned toad... Phoenix is a fine choice in homes.
>
> Any life at all on the desert is going to entirely dependent on tech,
> and enuf of it to comfortably get u the chuck out of there if anything
> bad happens.
>
> U need a house with working AC, a good dependable car and an open road
> to bug out.
Tell it to the Papago, Pima, Yaqui, Yavapai, and all of the assorted Pueblo
tribes, Ed. Not to mention the thousands of miners and settlers that
occupied AZ for 100+ years before the advent of cars, "open roads", "tech",
and air conditioning.
Insisting that someone cannot be a "true survivalist" in a climate harsher
than Oregon makes you sound like a "couch commando" projecting your
inferiority complex onto others...Not saying that's what you meant, that's
just how it sounds.
Now, to answer Winston's question: Don't worry so much about fat content in
the food in your BOB. You can sustain yourself quite well on carbs and
minerals. Carbs are actually a better high-stress,
gotta-make-it-outta-here-alive fuel than fat. A BOB, by definition, is a
stop-gap to get you to greener pastures. Freeze-dried and instant foods are
ideal....leaves more room in the BOB for H2O - the *real* necessity.
CC
CanopyCo
<vin...@hal-pc.org> writes:
>What helps a great deal is to keep your BOB food items in one of the 5-day
>ice chests that are being sold now. Tossing in a chunk of the "blue ice"
>stuff also helps a lot, but just the insulating properties of the ice chest
>makes a big difference.
If you swap the blue ice for a frozen 2ltr pop bottle and you get 2 ltrs of
drinking water and ice for treating overheating as a bonus. The bottle can be
swapped to the freezer about twice a week and still help.
Gunner
Many of the 99c stores now sell several bottled waters in square
bottles. These fit chests etc very very well
Gunner
CanopyCo
<gun...@lightspeed.net> writes:
>Many of the 99c stores now sell several bottled waters in square
>bottles. These fit chests etc very very well
I haven't seen these, but a square bottle would be great!
Will look next time I am there.
Geoffrey L. Hardin
> A TRUE survivalist doesn't LIVE in a place like Phoenix.
A "TRUE" survivalist can live anywhere he or she wants.
. . .snip. . .
>
> Any life at all on the desert is going to entirely dependent on tech,
> and enuf of it to comfortably get u the chuck out of there if anything
> bad happens.
Yeah. . .those Bedouin certainly are tech-heads.
>
> U need a house with working AC, a good dependable car and an open road
> to bug out.
Well. . .maybe _you_ do, but that doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else.
Geoffrey L. Hardin,
geo...@abcs.com
Gunner
wrote:
>edga...@yahoo.com (Edgar S.) wrote in message news:<2519a2c4.0305...@posting.google.com>...
>> A TRUE survivalist doesn't LIVE in a place like Phoenix.
>
>A "TRUE" survivalist can live anywhere he or she wants.
>
>
> . . .snip. . .
>>
>> Any life at all on the desert is going to entirely dependent on tech,
>> and enuf of it to comfortably get u the chuck out of there if anything
>> bad happens.
>
>Yeah. . .those Bedouin certainly are tech-heads.
The Electric Yurt was one of ancient Arabias finest contributions,
right up there with algerbra.
>
>>
>> U need a house with working AC, a good dependable car and an open road
>> to bug out.
>
>Well. . .maybe _you_ do, but that doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else.
>
>Geoffrey L. Hardin,
>geo...@abcs.com
Hear Hear.
Gunner, Central California, yesterdays temp 102F.
Gunner
IIRCl the brand was Niagra for one, with 1/2gal sizes as well.
Gunner
Edgar S.
> "Edgar S." <edga...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2519a2c4.0305...@posting.google.com...
> > A TRUE survivalist doesn't LIVE in a place like Phoenix. Extremely hi
> > temperatures like that are incompatible with human life. Now...if
> > someone had essentially the same body type and physical requirement of
> > a gila monster, or horned toad... Phoenix is a fine choice in homes.
> >
> > Any life at all on the desert is going to entirely dependent on tech,
> > and enuf of it to comfortably get u the chuck out of there if anything
> > bad happens.
> >
> > U need a house with working AC, a good dependable car and an open road
> > to bug out.
>
> Tell it to the Papago, Pima, Yaqui, Yavapai, and all of the assorted Pueblo
> tribes, Ed.
Weren't these native peoples cave swellers? Dug out residential caves
in cliff faces. Couple million lbs. of rock and dirt make good
protection from the burning desert sun.
Last time I checked, there were not many cliff dwellings in Phoenix.
They ate native foods that were hunted/gathered, and stored deep in
the caves. If a modern day westerner were able to reproduce those
conditions, they mite have a chance of considering themselves to be
suvivalists in the desert.
> Not to mention the thousands of miners and settlers that
> occupied AZ for 100+ years before the advent of cars, "open roads", "tech",
> and air conditioning.
Doesn't mining presuppose they spend most of their time in sheltered
mines deep in the earth?
>
> Insisting that someone cannot be a "true survivalist" in a climate harsher
> than Oregon makes you sound like a "couch commando" projecting your
> inferiority complex onto others...Not saying that's what you meant, that's
> just how it sounds.
What do U think is going to happen in desertous areas if they just
lose power for a few months? It wouldn't be pretty.
D H
(temps upwards of 100F sometimes in the summer and below freezing in
winter), samples I've personally eaten still okay after 2 seasons in those
conditions albeit with a little "metally" flavor, less bad in beans than
canned meat like vienna sausage. Crackers unpalatable and stale after 5
months storage. Used to get Nature Valley granola bars and those lasted a
long time (the hard dry ones with oats in them--haven't seen these in stores
in years; not the soft chewy ones. Jolly Rancher candy and Juicy Fruit gum
found in pocket of fishtail parka put there sometime in 1970s still
consumable but not good, as of last year). Beer and soda pops in both cans
and bottles kept unrefrigerated in travel trailer still good after six years
so prob. indef. shelf life(?). Bottled water over a year slightly
"plasticy" tasting but prob. safe to drink.
Winston §mith wrote in message <3ecd7c37...@news.1stConnect.com>...
Louis Boyd
If phoenix went without power for a month it might actually be nicer.
After living there 22 years I bugged out of Phoenix about eight years
ago. Before air conditioning was common Phoenix wasn't too bad. Even
when I move there in the 1970's I went without air conditioning in my
house or car for three years and I didn't find it objectionable. By the
1990's many gigawatts of energy were being dumped into a 10 mile radius
area, along with many millions of gallons water piped in from various
wells and rivers much of which is used on lawns. It's become a
steaming hell hole. It's not too bad if you just run from an air
conditioned house to an air conditioned car to an air conditioned
workplace and do all your shopping in air conditioned malls and get your
entertainment in air conditioned theaters. Being outdoors though is
miserable from May to September.
I still live in Arizona but in the mountains at 6000' where it's dry and
typically 20 to 25 degress cooler than my downtown Phoenix home was. I
even get to see snow a couple of times a year.
--
Lou Boyd
Condor Chef
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> "Condor Chef" <condo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<W6yza.130204$3n5....@news2.central.cox.net>...
> > "Edgar S." <edga...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:2519a2c4.0305...@posting.google.com...
> > > A TRUE survivalist doesn't LIVE in a place like Phoenix. Extremely hi
> > > temperatures like that are incompatible with human life. Now...if
> > > someone had essentially the same body type and physical requirement of
> > > a gila monster, or horned toad... Phoenix is a fine choice in homes.
> > >
> > > Any life at all on the desert is going to entirely dependent on tech,
> > > and enuf of it to comfortably get u the chuck out of there if anything
> > > bad happens.
> > >
> > > U need a house with working AC, a good dependable car and an open road
> > > to bug out.
> >
> > Tell it to the Papago, Pima, Yaqui, Yavapai, and all of the assorted
Pueblo
> > tribes, Ed.
>
> Weren't these native peoples cave swellers? Dug out residential caves
> in cliff faces. Couple million lbs. of rock and dirt make good
> protection from the burning desert sun.
Those were the Pueblo tribes.
> Last time I checked, there were not many cliff dwellings in Phoenix.
That's because Phoenix is in Maricopa county, home of the - you guessed it -
Maricopa tribe.
> They ate native foods that were hunted/gathered, and stored deep in
> the caves. If a modern day westerner were able to reproduce those
> conditions, they mite have a chance of considering themselves to be
> suvivalists in the desert.
Yes, the Pueblos did - the rest did not.
> > Not to mention the thousands of miners and settlers that
> > occupied AZ for 100+ years before the advent of cars, "open roads",
"tech",
> > and air conditioning.
>
> Doesn't mining presuppose they spend most of their time in sheltered
> mines deep in the earth?
Huh? Ore mined from tunnels is taken *outside* to be processed - pit mines
are worked exposed to the elements. Also, do you think they set up daycare
facilities in the mines for the children? How did the early
pioneers/settlers survive?
> > Insisting that someone cannot be a "true survivalist" in a climate
harsher
> > than Oregon makes you sound like a "couch commando" projecting your
> > inferiority complex onto others...Not saying that's what you meant,
that's
> > just how it sounds.
>
> What do U think is going to happen in desertous areas if they just
> lose power for a few months? It wouldn't be pretty.
You're absolutely correct - for the majority. There will be some, however,
who have prepared for worst-case scenarios....like the ones who follow this
newsgroup.
CC
Louis Boyd
>>What do U think is going to happen in desertous areas if they just
>>lose power for a few months? It wouldn't be pretty.
>
>
> You're absolutely correct - for the majority. There will be some, however,
> who have prepared for worst-case scenarios....like the ones who follow this
> newsgroup.
>
Survivalist have already bugged out. No survivalist wants to test his
skills by being in Phoenix when the Palo Verde reactor fails. The Lake
Pleasant or Roosevelt dam turning loose could also make life a bit too
interesting.
It's a lot easier to bug out if you don't have two million other people
trying to do it at the same time.
--
Lou Boyd
Condor Chef
news:baoghq$df5$1...@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
> Condor Chef wrote:
>
> >>What do U think is going to happen in desertous areas if they just
> >>lose power for a few months? It wouldn't be pretty.
> >
> >
> > You're absolutely correct - for the majority. There will be some,
however,
> > who have prepared for worst-case scenarios....like the ones who follow
this
> > newsgroup.
> >
>
> Survivalist have already bugged out. No survivalist wants to test his
> skills by being in Phoenix when the Palo Verde reactor fails. The Lake
> Pleasant or Roosevelt dam turning loose could also make life a bit too
> interesting.
It's just a shaded square on the payoff table, Lou. People think I made a
strange choice retiring in OK rather than SEA/TAC. My threat analysis
leaned towards flat land and open highways with a vast network of dirt roads
rather than two main highways that crossed umpteen flimsy bridges. The main
factors were the *risk* of earthquake/tsunami/volcano versus the *certainty*
of tornados...
Made my decision, and my plans/preparations accordingly.
> It's a lot easier to bug out if you don't have two million other people
> trying to do it at the same time.
Though you have to admit it's easier to bug out if you have a practised
plan, and a back-up to that plan, and a back-up to.......
CC
Louis Boyd
>
>>It's a lot easier to bug out if you don't have two million other people
>>trying to do it at the same time.
>
> Though you have to admit it's easier to bug out if you have a practised
> plan, and a back-up to that plan, and a back-up to.......
If you're trying to get out of a nuclear contaminated burning city none
of your backup plans are going to be as good as sitting in a warm cabin
200 miles upwind.
--
Lou Boyd
Gunner
§mith) wrote:
>On Sat, 24 May 2003 16:23:07 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net>
>wrote:
>
>> The Electric Yurt was one of ancient Arabias finest contributions,
>> right up there with algerbra.
>
>Their biggest contribution added up to zero. <grin>
>
>
>W§ in m.s - http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
Well well done!!!
Gunner
charles krin
wrote:
>
>The Electric Yurt was one of ancient Arabias finest contributions,
>right up there with algerbra.
mmm...Gunner, the Yurt is a Mongolian/Siberian invention...
and I guess that the French helped adopt "le alger bra" from their
extensive work in Egypt back in the 1810's under Nappy?
ck
country doc in louisiana
(no fancy sayings right now)
Gunner
wrote:
I dont even remember what this was from..over two months ago...
Gunner
"What do you call someone in possesion of all the facts? Paranoid.-William Burroughs
erniegalts
wrote:
>On Sat, 24 May 2003 16:23:07 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>The Electric Yurt was one of ancient Arabias finest contributions,
>>right up there with algerbra.
Yep, really looking forward to details of the "electric yurt" and/or
algebra.
As you will no doubt know, the "electric yurt" is a code phrase for
the "electric bra".
It wasn't a simple resistance device operating on "direct current" but
an "alternating current" device that stimulated the female breast by
using a obscure frequency which resonated with the average female
nipple.
>mmm...Gunner, the Yurt is a Mongolian/Siberian invention...
>
>and I guess that the French helped adopt "le alger bra" from their
>extensive work in Egypt back in the 1810's under Nappy?
This device was known as the "le alternating current bra" which was
later somehow shortened to the "le alger bra", probably through some
mistranslation.
The precise frequency is, of course a secret. However, when you look
at the range of frequencies that can be that can be carried by the
human nervous system you might be able to work it out. :-)
Of course, to really be effective, the frequency must be sub modulated
by an acceptable bit of music of popular music appropriate to their
age.
I wouldn't suggest "I see a Bad Moon Risin" by Creedence Clearwater
Revival. ....Although did hear it last night.
Of course, if looking for a more general indication, it could do OK.
Old enough to remember it, Dr. Krin? :-)]
If not, don't worry about it. Perhaps even Sue and Gunner won't.
Others will, though. Can remember the first time that I heard it.
Sue
Of course I remember it! Got the LP, too.
Sue
Jason Sheppard
Didn't think so...let me know when you're willing to show her your
dark side.
Jason
[snip]
erniegalts
Then there is hope for you yet!
Maybe not for Gunner, though. :-(
In the long run, never any hope for liars like him.
erniegalts
erniegalts
wrote:
>> Others will, though. Can remember the first time that I heard it.
>>
>Hey Ernie, your wife read the crap between you and you know who yet?
>Didn't think so...let me know when you're willing to show her your
>dark side.
Nope, she isn't really interested. However have told her about the MF
liar.
>
>Jason
>[snip]
Jason Sheppard
> On 6 Jul 2003 00:12:18 -0700, jds...@hotmail.com (Jason Sheppard)
> wrote:
>
> >erniegalts <ernie...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:<7s3dgvg07tdivfl3i...@4ax.com>...
> >> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 01:37:26 GMT, charles krin <ck...@iamerica.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 24 May 2003 16:23:07 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net>
> >> >wrote:
[major snippage]
> >Hey Ernie, your wife read the crap between you and you know who yet?
> >Didn't think so...let me know when you're willing to show her your
> >dark side.
>
> Nope, she isn't really interested.
You two must not be very close then. Surely she would care about
something that has had such a negative effect on her beloved husband.
> However have told her about the MF
> liar.
You telling her your version doesn't count since you clearly cannot
speak objectively about the situation. Ask her to read it for herself
and tell you if she thinks you are being reasonable.
Jason
> >
> >Jason
> >[snip]
Myal
"Jason Sheppard" <jds...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f283b08d.03071...@posting.google.com...
Thats a big ask of someone like ernie , Jason , do you seriously think he
will show his wife what an arsehole he is online ?
Myal
> > >
> > >Jason
> > >[snip]
Jason Sheppard
Of course I don't _really_ expect that he'll let her read it all, but
as long as he's gonna disrupt this group (and until I get bored with
it) I'm gonna keep calling him on it. If it begins to bother anybody,
just let me know.
Jason FTFTA (feeding the f---ing trolls again)
Myal
Its not a worry , not to me anyway , I keep calling him on him being a
hypocrite and a liar , ... yep feeding trolls is a hard habit to break aint
it ?
Myal
erniegalts
wrote:
>erniegalts <ernie...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:<3dlqgvc2oe8ju1igj...@4ax.com>...
>> On 6 Jul 2003 00:12:18 -0700, jds...@hotmail.com (Jason Sheppard)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >erniegalts <ernie...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:<7s3dgvg07tdivfl3i...@4ax.com>...
>> >> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 01:37:26 GMT, charles krin <ck...@iamerica.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sat, 24 May 2003 16:23:07 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net>
>> >> >wrote:
>
>[major snippage]
>
>> >Hey Ernie, your wife read the crap between you and you know who yet?
>> >Didn't think so...let me know when you're willing to show her your
>> >dark side.
>>
>> Nope, she isn't really interested.
>
>You two must not be very close then. Surely she would care about
>something that has had such a negative effect on her beloved husband.
She has no interest in computers or usenet, full stop.
>
>> However have told her about the MF
>> liar.
>
>You telling her your version doesn't count since you clearly cannot
>speak objectively about the situation. Ask her to read it for herself
>and tell you if she thinks you are being reasonable.
Firstly, would contest the fact that most human beings are "objective"
in anything but the most narrow of definitions. No partners,
relatives, friends, or even acquaintances could possibly be truly
"objective" about anyone they know.
Secondly, the closest human institution to complete objectivity is the
law. Which defines both libel and slander. Lawyers are usually
pretty objective.
Thirdly, am more qualified than she is on such issues. :-)
erniegalts
>Jason
>
>> >
>> >Jason
>> >[snip]
Jason Sheppard
There are a few presumptions that have to be made anytime one talks
about objectivity. I think you understand what I meant. There are
even people that say everything is subjective. Its usually liberal
touchy feely types like a couple of my relatives that subscribe to
such notions.
> No partners,
> relatives, friends, or even acquaintances could possibly be truly
> "objective" about anyone they know.
The objectivity mentioned here referred to your clear lack of it. I'm
sure her reaction to what she reads (although you make it clear you
are unwilling to have her read it) will be colored to a degree by her
closeness with you. What I am counting on is that she will be _more_
objective than you about five words strung together in a context that
made it clear they were not being claimed as fact.
> Secondly, the closest human institution to complete objectivity is the
> law. Which defines both libel and slander. Lawyers are usually
> pretty objective.
If you mean _good_ judges can be pretty objective then maybe I'd
agree. But most lawyers? I'd have to disagree; For a great many of
them, their objectivity is clouded by greed. Lawyers in the U.S. sue
gun and tobacco manufacturers and fast food chains for negligience as
a result of the actions of the purchaser of their products and
advertise incessantly on TV that you "deserve" money for being in a
car accident that wasn't your fault. Is it any wonder that lots of
people here view having their car hit by someone as a "day maker" like
somebody told me last night?
>
> Thirdly, am more qualified than she is on such issues. :-)
I think its time to recuse yourself then. You clearly are too close
to the issue to not be biased. Besides, more qualified doesn't
necessarily mean she's unqualified, unless that is what you meant.
Jason
[snip]
erniegalts
wrote:
Firstly, would doubt that she would be. She probably has less
tolerance for damned liars than I do.
>
>about five words strung together in a context that
>made it clear they were not being claimed as fact.
If that point was clear to me I wouldn't be objecting about the lie,
would I? I don't know why Gunner chose to lie about me if it was an
attempt at character assassination.
Or, to quote a bit of Australian law from an earlier post:
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From: erniegalts <ernie...@bigpond.com.au>
To:
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Subject: Re: Dyeing oils and tax evasion Was : Recipe for Car Power:
Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go.
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:59:36 +1000
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Australian defamation law
"The tort of defamation prevents publication of material which `tends
to injure the personal, professional, trade or business reputation of
an individual or a company, to expose them to ridicule or to cause
people to avoid them'. . . .
More at:
<http://www.mds.rmit.edu.au/law/node5.html>
Perhaps this is allowable where you are, but in Australia people are
innocent until proven guilty.
==================================
>
>> Secondly, the closest human institution to complete objectivity is the
>> law. Which defines both libel and slander. Lawyers are usually
>> pretty objective.
>
>If you mean _good_ judges can be pretty objective then maybe I'd
>agree.
The law is objective. Lawyers are more objective than others in that
they know the law, or should anyway.
> But most lawyers? I'd have to disagree; For a great many of
>them, their objectivity is clouded by greed. Lawyers in the U.S. sue
>gun and tobacco manufacturers and fast food chains for negligience as
>a result of the actions of the purchaser of their products and
>advertise incessantly on TV that you "deserve" money for being in a
>car accident that wasn't your fault. Is it any wonder that lots of
>people here view having their car hit by someone as a "day maker" like
>somebody told me last night?
I cannot help how your legal system operates. If you want to allow
people to sue and split any compensation with the lawyer, then you are
going to obviously have a lot of lawsuits.
>
>>
>> Thirdly, am more qualified than she is on such issues. :-)
>
>I think its time to recuse yourself then. You clearly are too close
>to the issue to not be biased.
Anyone who is convinced that they have been seriously wronged in law
obviously cannot be "unbiased". If "X" robs a bank and is arrested,
then are you going to claim that the legal system or the prosecuting
attorney is "biased" against him?
Is the plaintiff in a civil trial "biased" when he or she files suit
against someone else? How about his lawyer?
> Besides, more qualified doesn't
>necessarily mean she's unqualified, unless that is what you meant.
"More qualified" means just what it says. I know a fair bit about
subjects that she wouldn't have a clue about, and vice versa.
erniegalts
>
>Jason
>[snip]
erniegalts
wrote:
And, of course, you and Jason share all.
Just when do the rest of us see anything from your wives?
Hell, I have been "savaged" by "Gunner" [and others] but have yet to
see any posts from their wives.
Have yet to see any posts from Gunner's wife. .... Or, come to think
of it, _anything_ from any of the wives of anyone on
misc.survivalism.
erniegalts
>
Sue
§mith) wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 05:05:12 GMT, erniegalts <ernie...@bigpond.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>> Hell, I have been "savaged" by "Gunner" [and others]
>
>Was it good for you ?
ROFL. I have Ernie on manual killfile so I didn't see his post. Glad
I didn't miss your response.
Sue
>
>Somehow, I didn't think Gunner swung that way. <grin>
charles krin
wrote:
>On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 01:37:26 GMT, charles krin <ck...@iamerica.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 May 2003 16:23:07 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>The Electric Yurt was one of ancient Arabias finest contributions,
>>>right up there with algerbra.
>>
>>mmm...Gunner, the Yurt is a Mongolian/Siberian invention...
>>
>>and I guess that the French helped adopt "le alger bra" from their
>>extensive work in Egypt back in the 1810's under Nappy?
>>
>>ck
>>country doc in louisiana
>>(no fancy sayings right now)
>
>I dont even remember what this was from..over two months ago...
>
hmmm...I got that message as a new one...and didn't notice the time
stamp on the original message...sorry bout that!
charles krin
<ernie...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
>I wouldn't suggest "I see a Bad Moon Risin" by Creedence Clearwater
>Revival. ....Although did hear it last night.
>
>Of course, if looking for a more general indication, it could do OK.
>
>Old enough to remember it, Dr. Krin? :-)]
>
>If not, don't worry about it. Perhaps even Sue and Gunner won't.
>Others will, though. Can remember the first time that I heard it.
chuckle...I was living on the East Coast about that time...and I even
remember the Sloop the band was named for...
erniegalts
wrote:
>On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 19:24:28 +1000, erniegalts
Thats better than I can do. :-)