The food stamp president: food stamp recruiter-in-chief

[George Plimpton]

He really is. Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recruiter-deals-with-wrenching-choices/2013/04/23/b3d6b41c-a3a4-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_print.html

Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible to be
takers dependent on government money seized from makers.

[Ed Huntress]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
eat?

Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
grass, you stupid old fart...

BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.

--
Ed Huntress

[George Plimpton]

It is immoral to try to persuade people to think of themselves as
victims. It is immoral to create a permanent dependent class who give
up entirely on trying to make their own way in life. Temporary
assistance for those in dire need is one thing, but Obama, this vile
woman and your son are trying to increase the numbers of people
permanently dependent on handouts. That's wrong.

[Ed Huntress]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:25:58 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

wrote:

>On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He really is. Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recruiter-deals-with-wrenching-choices/2013/04/23/b3d6b41c-a3a4-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_print.html
>>>
>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>> people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible to be
>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>
>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
>> eat?
>>
>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>>
>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>
>It is immoral to try to persuade people to think of themselves as
>victims.

It is immoral to let people starve because they aren't as bright or as
lucky as you.

>It is immoral to create a permanent dependent class who give
>up entirely on trying to make their own way in life. Temporary
>assistance for those in dire need is one thing, but Obama, this vile
>woman and your son are trying to increase the numbers of people
>permanently dependent on handouts. That's wrong.

They're already on the skids. Almost all of the people my son helps
are over 60 and out of luck.

Fuck you.

--
Ed Huntress

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 10:43 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:25:58 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He really is. Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recruiter-deals-with-wrenching-choices/2013/04/23/b3d6b41c-a3a4-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_print.html
>>>>
>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>>> people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible to be
>>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>>
>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
>>> eat?
>>>
>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
>>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>
>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>>
>> It is immoral to try to persuade people to think of themselves as
>> victims.
>
> It is immoral to let people starve because they aren't as bright or as
> lucky as you.

No one starves in America. We don't let people starve. Any given
person in America can get food from a soup kitchen, food bank, shelter,
numerous churches and other do-gooder entities, and of course there is
some government-funded public assistance - too much of it.

The issue is not whether or not we let people starve, which America does
not do. The issue is creating a permanent class of dependents, which
this administration is furiously trying to do. That's immoral and bad
policy.

That dole recruiter in Florida is trying to persuade people who think of
themselves as not in need of public assistance, and who clearly are not
starving or even hungry or malnourished, to think of themselves instead
as "deserving" of other people's money. Yes, they're scraping by on
little, but they're not starving and not in need of taxpayers' money to
feed themselves, yet that disgusting dependency-monger is trying to
persuade them to take the money. That's immoral.

>
>> It is immoral to create a permanent dependent class who give
>> up entirely on trying to make their own way in life. Temporary
>> assistance for those in dire need is one thing, but Obama, this vile
>> woman and your son are trying to increase the numbers of people
>> permanently dependent on handouts. That's wrong.
>
> They're already on the skids. Almost all of the people my son helps
> are over 60 and out of luck.

That doesn't mean they need someone else's money to feed themselves.
Most probably don't.


> Fuck you.

No, fuck *you*, and fuck your dependency-mongering son.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

Your son is a shitbag, then. He's part of the problem. He's part of
the dependency shills who are trying to undermine the American ethos of
self reliance. He's trying to persuade people who are not starving -
not even close to being hungry - and who still have enough self respect
that they're trying to get by on their own, that there's free stuff out
there for them, and that they ought to shitcan their remaining self
respect and self reliance and just become permanently dependent on money
taken from others.

Your son is immoral. He reflects your immorality. You're exactly the
left-wing fuckscum I've always said you are.

[Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E]

On Apr 24, 12:17 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> He really is.  Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...

>
> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible to be
> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.

Locks in the Demorat vote.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 11:18 AM, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
wrote:

Romney took a lot of heat, entirely unfairly, for his comment last fall
that the Obama regime had bought the votes of a huge part of the
electorate by giving them goodies. Romney was absolutely right. That's
exactly what this regime is doing.

[Ed Huntress]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:07:44 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

For the short-term out-of-luck, like Gunner when he resorted to the
Dumpsters, those things are fine. When you're 60, alone, and
unemployable, there is no reason to subject yourself to those
indignities. They add up and drive you down even further into despair.
And they aren't available everywhere.

If you can ambulate and cook for yourself, that's one remnant of
self-respect you can hang on to. And when you're down that far, you
need one.

>
>The issue is not whether or not we let people starve, which America does
>not do. The issue is creating a permanent class of dependents, which
>this administration is furiously trying to do. That's immoral and bad
>policy.

Nobody is trying to create a permanent class of dependents. That's a
Randian myth.

>
>That dole recruiter in Florida is trying to persuade people who think of
>themselves as not in need of public assistance, and who clearly are not
>starving or even hungry or malnourished, to think of themselves instead
>as "deserving" of other people's money.

The story says they're out of luck and depressed. Go downtown, wakl
around, and take a look. My son got started with kids in a school in
Appalachia (Virginia - West Virginia border, SW Virginia), as a way to
help underpriviledged kids with literacy. He never saw anything like
that before.

Now he's in DC and he knows. He knows it first-hand, a lot better than
I do. Unless I miss my guess, he knows what it is a lot better than
you do.

>Yes, they're scraping by on
>little, but they're not starving and not in need of taxpayers' money to
>feed themselves, yet that disgusting dependency-monger is trying to
>persuade them to take the money. That's immoral.

She knows what it is. I doubt if you do.

>
>
>>
>>> It is immoral to create a permanent dependent class who give
>>> up entirely on trying to make their own way in life. Temporary
>>> assistance for those in dire need is one thing, but Obama, this vile
>>> woman and your son are trying to increase the numbers of people
>>> permanently dependent on handouts. That's wrong.
>>
>> They're already on the skids. Almost all of the people my son helps
>> are over 60 and out of luck.
>
>That doesn't mean they need someone else's money to feed themselves.
>Most probably don't.

Yeah, they do. They need some caring and support to keep from slipping
into depression and a subhuman existence. Food helps.

>
>
>> Fuck you.
>
>No, fuck *you*, and fuck your dependency-mongering son.

Yeah, he's fostering "dependency" among 60-year-old people living in
poverty who have NO hope of getting a job.

I'm sure glad he didn't turn out like you.

--
Ed Huntress

[Ed Huntress]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:17:23 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

wrote:

>On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He really is. Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recruiter-deals-with-wrenching-choices/2013/04/23/b3d6b41c-a3a4-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_print.html
>>>
>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>> people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible to be
>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>
>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
>> eat?
>>
>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>>
>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>
>Your son is a shitbag, then.

<plonk douchebag-prig-anarcho-loon>

--
Ed Huntress

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 12:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He really is. Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recruiter-deals-with-wrenching-choices/2013/04/23/b3d6b41c-a3a4-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_print.html
>>>
>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>> people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible to be
>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>
>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
>> eat?
>>
>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>>
>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>
> It is immoral

to want or allow children the elderly, disabled and the unemployed to go
hungry or even incur malnutrition in a land of plenty. Your claim that
it's somehow "good for them" is merely a disgusting guise for your
adolescent selfishness and greed, which are both hallmarks of an
underdeveloped morality and character.

[F. George McDuffee]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:22:40 -0400, Ed Huntress
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

<snip>

>>Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible to be
>>takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
>Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
>eat?
>
>Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
>grass, you stupid old fart...

<snip>

IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency
of any society is how it treats its members that are
powerless, i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the
unlucky and the physically/mentally challenged. All of us
were very young at one time, and with a little luck and the
grace of god, will be old. Many of us will be unlucky or
physically/mentally challenged in some way at some point in
our lives.

Before we reflexively scream "get a job" at every poor
person we see, the first requirement is there must be
suitable jobs available (and accessible), and secondly the
person is physically, mentally, and educationally capable of
working.

For the first time in human existence the problem is not a
lack of production or supply but rather a lack of equitable
allocation and distribution of the basics. In the U.S. in
particular, and the "developed" world in general, there is
no excuse/reason/rational for any member of society to not
have adequate amounts of food, shelter, clothing, education
and medical care. As has been proven in Greece, Spain,
Portugal, and in too many other countries, starving the poor
and powerless under the catchphrase "austerity" does nothing
to help the economy recover [or develop] and placate the
deficit/debt bogeymen hiding under the bed as the
deficit/debt is an effect and not a cause.

Regardless of the archaic morality mind games and fantasies
being played and replayed in too many peoples' heads on the
one hand, and the avatars of greed beyond avarice in policy
making and leadership positions on the other, we (as in the
huge majority) can no longer afford the poor.

"Poverty" appears to be largely a hereditary disease, and it
is time for the U.S. to eradicate it as has been done with
smallpox and polio. One of the most basic steps is to
insure an adequate diet, possibly with the distribution of
mineral/vitamin supplements along with food vouchers to the
most needy, given their traditionally nutritionally poor
(but cheap) diets and lack of access to fresh
fruits/vegetables in the slum urban areas even when adequate
calories are available.


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

[George Plimpton]

You're desperately refusing to address the *fact* that many of these
people recruited by dependency mongers like your son do *NOT* need the
help in order to avoid malnutrition or worse. Instead, your son has
been immorally reared to embrace the idea that people "deserve" to be
permanently dependent on the efforts of others. You're to blame.

>>
>> The issue is not whether or not we let people starve, which America does
>> not do. The issue is creating a permanent class of dependents, which
>> this administration is furiously trying to do. That's immoral and bad
>> policy.
>
> Nobody is trying to create a permanent class of dependents.

That's exactly what the dependency-monger-in-chief and your immoral son
are trying to do.

>>
>> That dole recruiter in Florida is trying to persuade people who think of
>> themselves as not in need of public assistance, and who clearly are not
>> starving or even hungry or malnourished, to think of themselves instead
>> as "deserving" of other people's money.
>
> The story says they're out of luck and depressed.

That doesn't translate to starving, or entitled to live permanently off
the efforts of others.

> Now he's in DC and he knows. He knows it first-hand, a lot better than
> I do. Unless I miss my guess, he knows what it is a lot better than
> you do.

Your son believes in permanent dependency as a way of securing the votes
of the dependent clients for left-wing collectivists.

>> Yes, they're scraping by on
>> little, but they're not starving and not in need of taxpayers' money to
>> feed themselves, yet that disgusting dependency-monger is trying to
>> persuade them to take the money. That's immoral.
>
> She knows what it is. I doubt if you do.

I know that she is trying to persuade people who don't believe they need
help to take the money anyway. That's immoral. If someone feels she
needs the help and seeks it, then help her; but don't try to persuade
someone who believe she doesn't need it that she really does - that you
know better than she. That's the whole problem with the left-wing
collectivist nanny state: that the cadres know what we need better than
we know ourselves.

>>
>>>
>>>> It is immoral to create a permanent dependent class who give
>>>> up entirely on trying to make their own way in life. Temporary
>>>> assistance for those in dire need is one thing, but Obama, this vile
>>>> woman and your son are trying to increase the numbers of people
>>>> permanently dependent on handouts. That's wrong.
>>>
>>> They're already on the skids. Almost all of the people my son helps
>>> are over 60 and out of luck.
>>
>> That doesn't mean they need someone else's money to feed themselves.
>> Most probably don't.
>
> Yeah, they do.

No, most probably don't, but we have a regime that crucially relies on
fostering a permanently dependent class who then will vote for the
enablers. Obama is creating a culture of Chavismo here.

>>
>>
>>> Fuck you.
>>
>> No, fuck *you*, and fuck your dependency-mongering son.
>
> Yeah, he's fostering "dependency" among 60-year-old people living in
> poverty who have NO hope of getting a job.

Bullshit. He's fostering dependency - *permanent* dependency - among
people many of whom can fend for themselves perfectly well. He's
working to create parasitism.

> I'm sure glad he didn't turn out like you.

I'm a much better person than your immoral son could even dream of being.

[George Plimpton]

not-so-fast eddie, a far-left totalitarian cunt, concedes defeat again.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 11:48 AM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 12:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He really is. Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recruiter-deals-with-wrenching-choices/2013/04/23/b3d6b41c-a3a4-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_print.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>>> people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible to be
>>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>>
>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
>>> eat?
>>>
>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
>>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>
>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>>

>> It is immoral to try to persuade people to think of themselves as
>> victims. It is immoral to create a permanent dependent class who give
>> up entirely on trying to make their own way in life. Temporary
>> assistance for those in dire need is one thing, but Obama, this vile
>> woman and your son are trying to increase the numbers of people
>> permanently dependent on handouts. That's wrong.
>

> to want or allow children the elderly, disabled and the unemployed to go
> hungry or even incur malnutrition in a land of plenty.

No one goes hungry in America, with or without a government dole.

> Your claim that it's somehow "good for them"

No such claim.

[Ed Huntress]

Agreed.

My son knows what's right and wrong in those most basic terms. Plumper
does not.

--
Ed Huntress

[Kicking Ass and Taking Names]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:48:23 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

He's a piece of shit.

Elsewhere on the hallowed grounds of alt.politics are two threads
populated by the Champion Liars: George Plimpton, PHANTOM, and
Criminal Drivers. The topic of these threads is something about "food
stamp recruiters."

They tell us bullshit about how recruiters are out dragooning people
into signing up for food stamps whether they need to or not. They
claim that one recruiter is supposed to sign up 50 a day.

BULLSHIT and again I call BULLSHIT.

Their lies are perversions of a Washington Post story that can be
found at this link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recruiter-deals-with-wrenching-choices/2013/04/23/b3d6b41c-a3a4-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_story.html

Here are the opening paragraphs. Read the entire story and what you
will find . . . which is not what these three lying pieces of shit
want you to find . . . is that lots and lots of people are hurting
badly because of the economic policies of Reagan-Bush-Ryan-onomics.
Note, too, the story is based in FLORIDA, which is controlled by
Republicans who, as we know, love to see poor people starve.

Not exactly what George Plimpton, PHANTOM, and Criminal Drivers want
to hear.

-- quote

FORT PIERCE, Fla. — A good recruiter needs to be liked, so Dillie
Nerios filled gift bags with dog toys for the dog people and cat food
for the cat people. She packed crates of cookies, croissants,
vegetables and fresh fruit. She curled her hair and painted her nails
fluorescent pink. “A happy, it’s-all-good look,” she said, checking
her reflection in the rearview mirror. Then she drove along the
Florida coast to sign people up for food stamps.

Her destination on a recent morning was a 55-and-over community in
central Florida, where single-wide trailers surround a parched golf
course. On the drive, Nerios, 56, reviewed techniques she had learned
for connecting with some of Florida’s most desperate senior citizens
during two years on the job. Touch a shoulder. Hold eye contact.
Listen for as long as it takes. “Some seniors haven’t had anyone to
talk to in some time,” one of the state-issued training manuals reads.
“Make each person feel like the only one who matters.”

In fact, it is Nerios’s job to enroll at least 150 seniors for food
stamps each month, a quota she usually exceeds. Alleviate hunger,
lessen poverty: These are the primary goals of her work. But the job
also has a second and more controversial purpose for cash-strapped
Florida, where increasing food-stamp enrollment has become a means of
economic growth, bringing almost $6 billion each year into the state.
The money helps to sustain communities, grocery stores and food
producers. It also adds to rising federal entitlement spending and the
U.S. debt.

Nerios prefers to think of her job in more simple terms: “Help is
available,” she tells hundreds of seniors each week. “You deserve it.
So, yes or no?”

In Florida and everywhere else, the answer in 2013 is almost always
yes. A record 47 million Americans now rely on the Supplemental
Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), also known as food stamps,
available for people with annual incomes below about $15,000. The
program grew during the economic collapse because 10 million more
Americans dropped into poverty. It has continued to expand four years
into the recovery because state governments and their partner
organizations have become active promoters, creating official “SNAP
outreach plans” and hiring hundreds of recruiters like Nerios.

A decade ago, only about half of eligible Americans chose to sign up
for food stamps. Now that number is 75 percent.

. . .

end quote



And, you busted liars might be interested in this tidbit:

-- quote

More people than ever rely on Supplemental Nutrition Assistance
Program (SNAP), formerly known as food stamps. This is in part due to
a bad economy, but it's also because hundreds of recruiters now work
to enroll people in the government program. State governments have
realized that, with more people on the SNAP program, more federal
money comes into the local economy. We take a look at the jurisdiction
of Dillie Nerios, a recruiter in Florida, as she works toward her
monthly quota of signing up 150 people.

-- end quote


Got that: ". . . more federal money comes into the local economy. "
Just like a red state . . . sucking at the federal tit while preaching
self-reliance, cut spending, damn the 47 percent!!!!!!!!

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 1:58 PM, the Pimple wrote:

>>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>>>
>>> Your son is a shitbag, then.
>>
>> <plonk douchebag-prig-anarcho-loon>
>

> I imagine that eddie, a far better man than me, concedes defeat

Are you familiar with the Black Knight character from the movie "Monty
Python and the Holy Grail"?

That's you, Pimple.

Ed didn't "concede defeat," you nincompoop, he thoroughly thrashed you,
then turned his back on you in contempt, and strode away, victorious.

Your sniveling retort, hurled at his turned and departing back, was weak
and lame. Now, pick yourself up off the dirt, wipe the snot and tears
from your face, and prepare for your next thrashing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_(Monty_Python)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CEIQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmjEcj8KpuJw&ei=sTF4Ubf6F4-m8gSB94G4CA&usg=AFQjCNHMMp-cTzbf2fk4yN2FE_E982geFw&sig2=pzdrJe_41uWaA0DaT4h-pA

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 2:22 PM, Kicking Ass and Taking Names wrote:
[snip]

>>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>>>
>>> It is immoral
>>
>> to want or allow children the elderly, disabled and the unemployed to go
>> hungry or even incur malnutrition in a land of plenty. Your claim that
>> it's somehow "good for them" is merely a disgusting guise for your
>> adolescent selfishness and greed, which are both hallmarks of an
>> underdeveloped morality and character.
>
>

> He's a piece of shit. [snip]

There's no doubt at all about that!

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 11:56 AM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:22:40 -0400, Ed Huntress
> <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>> people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible to be
>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>
>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
>> eat?
>>
>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>
> <snip>
>
> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency
> of any society is how it treats its members that are
> powerless, i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the
> unlucky and the physically/mentally challenged.

You've tried that phony high-minded-sounding rhetoric before, and it got
shot down then, too. That's just something people who embrace
collectivism, and the totalitarianism required to enforce it, like to
say, but it's horseshit.

Societies do not have moral character or competency. Society is not a
moral entity; it's not an organic entity at all. Society is merely a
group name applied to human beings who happen to live together. It does
not have moral characteristics at all, and it is nothing but shitty
rhetoric to talk as if it does. Society does not have interests - there
is no such thing as the social or public interest. People have
interests, and if the interests of people living in a society happen to
coincide to a high degree, then those people will find it easier to
cooperate to promote those interests; but their shared individual
interests do not - *cannot* - become "society's" interests, because
society doesn't have any interests.

It makes sense to talk about an individual person's generosity and
compassion when faced with people who are struggling to get by, but not
society's. Society cannot be generous or compassionate - only
individual people can be.

The only valid evaluation of a society is if it is organized along lines
that allow people to live their lives as they see fit, with the bare
minimum of intrusion into their lives by the armed state. A society
that attempts to compel generosity and compassion by force is a badly
organized society, one in which no self respecting person would wish to
live. Self respecting makers and doers would never wish to live in such
a society, and permanent takers - parasites - have no self respect.

> Before we reflexively scream "get a job" at every poor
> person we see, the first requirement is there must be
> suitable jobs available (and accessible), and secondly the
> person is physically, mentally, and educationally capable of
> working.

No one has a right to a high paying job that allows him to live at some
level of comfort he thinks he "deserves." No one "deserves" any level
of comfort or ease; you have to earn it.

> For the first time in human existence the problem is not a
> lack of production or supply but rather a lack of equitable
> allocation and distribution of the basics.

That's simply bullshit. As a collectivist, you are obliged to bandy
about empty rhetoric such as "equitable", meaning whatever you in your
arrogance and your total lack of understanding of a valid theory of
rights think people "ought" to have, but it's just complete and
unequivocal bullshit. There is no inherent inequity in some people
having more - vastly more - than others. By and large, in few
exceptions, people get what they ought to get in a society like ours,
where there is physical, social and economic mobility, and where people
have more control over their own destiny than in any other country on earth.

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 2:28 PM, Denny wrote:

> I live in one of the poorest states in the country. If there wasn't a food
> stamp program, most or all of the grocery stores here would go out of
> business. And if we didn't have medicare, most or all of the pharmacies and
> clinics would go out of business. We'd have to drive hundreds of miles to
> buy Tylenol. I have a friend that's a pill pusher in a pharmacy in a major
> chain of grocery stores. He said with no Fed money, every chain grocery in
> my state and the adjoining states would either close or face losses of many
> million dollars a year. When you comfy Yankees and west coasters rage
> against these programs, think about your fellow citizens down South, and me
> in particular.
>
I live in one of the reddest corners of the South. I know.

[George Plimpton]

Of course you do. You're a left-wing collectivist. You're a
"Republican" in the same way Mark "gummer" Wieber is a "Democrat."

> My son knows what's right and wrong in those most basic terms.

In the most brutally obvious way, he doesn't. Encouraging dependency is
simply wrong.

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 2:31 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>>> people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible
>>>> to be
>>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>>
>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
>>> eat?
>>>
>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
>>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency
>> of any society is how it treats its members that are
>> powerless, i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the
>> unlucky and the physically/mentally challenged.
>
> You've tried that phony high-minded-sounding rhetoric before, and it got
> shot down then, too. That's just something people who embrace
> collectivism, and the totalitarianism required to enforce it, like to
> say,

And Christians. As it says in the Holy Bible: "And the King shall
answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have
done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it]
unto me.

[Ed Huntress]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:26:30 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

>On 4/24/2013 1:58 PM, the Pimple wrote:
>
>>>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>>>>
>>>> Your son is a shitbag, then.
>>>
>>> <plonk douchebag-prig-anarcho-loon>
>>
>> I imagine that eddie, a far better man than me, concedes defeat
>
>Are you familiar with the Black Knight character from the movie "Monty
>Python and the Holy Grail"?
>
>That's you, Pimple.
>
>Ed didn't "concede defeat," you nincompoop, he thoroughly thrashed you,
>then turned his back on you in contempt, and strode away, victorious.

That wasn't "victory" but it is contempt.

I don't care if someone insults me; I can even take some gentle
snideness about my family, because that's usually indirectly aimed at
me, anyway.

But Plumper is 'way over the top. That stuff above is borderline
sociopathic, at the white-trash level of discourse.

I won't tolerate that crap.

Ed Huntress

[jon_banquer]

On Apr 24, 12:44 pm, Ed Huntress <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:26:30 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 4/24/2013 1:58 PM, the Pimple wrote:
>
> >>>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>
> >>>> Your son is a shitbag, then.
>
> >>> <plonk douchebag-prig-anarcho-loon>
>
> >> I imagine that eddie, a far better man than me, concedes defeat
>
> >Are you familiar with the Black Knight character from the movie "Monty
> >Python and the Holy Grail"?
>
> >That's you, Pimple.
>
> >Ed didn't "concede defeat," you nincompoop, he thoroughly thrashed you,
> >then turned his back on you in contempt, and strode away, victorious.
>
> That wasn't "victory" but it is contempt.
>
> I don't care if someone insults me; I can even take some gentle
> snideness about my family, because that's usually indirectly aimed at
> me, anyway.
>
> But Plumper is 'way over the top. That stuff above is borderline
> sociopathic, at the white-trash level of discourse.
>
> I won't tolerate that crap.
>
> Ed Huntress

Not only do you tolerate it but you're track record clearly shows that
you support people like The Pimple and KiddingNoOne when it's
convenient for you to do so.

[George Plimpton]

No. You're the piece of shit - a fucking goddamned collectivist
totalitarian piece of shit. I'm trying to cut you pieces of shit off at
the knees. I'd like to cut your little raisin nads off and pound them
up your nose.

> Elsewhere on the hallowed grounds of alt.politics are two threads
> populated by the Champion Liars: George Plimpton, PHANTOM, and
> Criminal Drivers. The topic of these threads is something about "food
> stamp recruiters."
>
> They tell us bullshit about how recruiters are out dragooning people
> into signing up for food stamps whether they need to or not. They
> claim that one recruiter is supposed to sign up 50 a day.
>
> BULLSHIT and again I call BULLSHIT.

Nope. No one said 50 a day. The Post story says 150 per month:

In fact, it is Nerios’s job to enroll at least 150 seniors for
food stamps each month, a quota she usually exceeds.

That's just criminal.

>
> Their lies are perversions of a Washington Post story

No lies, no perversion.

> Here are the opening paragraphs. Read the entire story and what you
> will find . . . which is not what these three lying pieces of shit
> want you to find . . . is that lots and lots of people are hurting
> badly because of the economic policies of Reagan-Bush-Ryan-onomics.

No, that's not what you find at all. You find people are hurting
because Obama, that fucking goddamned flea, is bleeding the economy to
death.

[Frank]

There are people truly in need that require food stamps.
But, when you give them telephones, free internet access, section 8
housing and food stamps they have no need to try to fend for themselves.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 12:26 PM, jeffy m, shitstain with a *legal* disability that
prevents him from practicing law, lied:

> On 4/24/2013 11:58 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/24/2013 11:44 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:17:23 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> He really is. Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recruiter-deals-with-wrenching-choices/2013/04/23/b3d6b41c-a3a4-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_print.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>>>>> people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
>>>>> eat?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>>>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
>>>>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>>>

>>>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>>>>
>>>> Your son is a shitbag, then.
>>>
>>> <plonk douchebag-prig-anarcho-loon>
>>

>> not-so-fast eddie, a far-left totalitarian cunt, concedes defeat again.
>

> Are you familiar with the Black Knight character from [clip remaining bullshit]

<yawn>

not-so-fast eddie conceded defeat. Everyone who publicly announces
killfiling does.

not-so-fast eddie's son is a shitbag. It's not surprising, as
not-so-fast eddie is a far-left collectivist shitbag and imparted those
bad values to his sprog.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 12:28 PM, Denny wrote:
> Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:

> I live in one of the poorest states in the country. If there wasn't a food
> stamp program, most or all of the grocery stores here would go out of
> business.

1. Bullshit.
2. So what if they did?

> And if we didn't have medicare, most or all of the pharmacies and
> clinics would go out of business.

You know, I've noticed there aren't enough golf courses and golf pro
shops in my area. Looks like we need some program to put golf-specific
vouchers in people's hands so more of them will be generated.

Look, you fuckstain - we're not concerned with keeping the number of
grocers and pharmacists artificially inflated.

[George Plimpton]

> There's no doubt at all that that's untrue!

Exactly.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 12:31 PM, Denny wrote:
> F. George McDuffee <gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:

> Don't expect the Loyal Right folks to agree with you. It wouldn't bother
> them a bit if millions of Americans starved, as long as it saved them 10
> bucks a week in taxes.

No one would starve in America even if SNAP were abolished.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 12:37 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 2:31 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>>>> people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible
>>>>> to be
>>>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>>>
>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
>>>> eat?
>>>>
>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
>>>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency
>>> of any society is how it treats its members that are
>>> powerless, i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the
>>> unlucky and the physically/mentally challenged.
>>
>> You've tried that phony high-minded-sounding rhetoric before, and it got
>> shot down then, too. That's just something people who embrace
>> collectivism, and the totalitarianism required to enforce it, like to
>> say,
>
> And Christians.

Fuck off. Leftists denigrate religion generally and Christianity
specifically all the time. You advocate a complete divorce of religion
and public policy. When a politician says anything about his Christian
faith informing his policy views, you smirk and ridicule. You don't get
to have it both ways. Fuck off.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 12:37 PM, Denny wrote:

> Please don't go through the old rant about what is and isn't a "right". We
> remember it too well.

Please try to have a point.

[Jeff M]

It's way too early in the day for you to be so inebriated, Pimple.
Really. The spiking extremity of your irrational emotionalism and
inchoate rage is a dead giveaway.

[George Plimpton]

My complaint is not that there is any given person on food stamps. I
understand that some people might find themselves truly in dire straits,
and might benefit from some temporary targeted help.

My complaint is that food stamps and other dependency-creating programs
have become a way of life for a growing number of people, and that they
encourage and reinforce both the sense of sullen entitlement and the
complete abdication of any responsibility that you mention above.
Furthermore, I don't like that there are people actively trying to
*recruit* people to think of themselves as "needy", when previously
those people did *not* think of themselves as needy and were managing to
scrape by. People do not have a "right" not to have to scrape by. Some
people aren't going to have very much, and there's nothing inherently
unjust or inequitable about that.

[George Plimpton]

Shut up, disbarred ambulance chaser.

[jon_banquer]

On Apr 24, 1:31 pm, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 3:01 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/24/2013 12:22 PM, Kicking Ass and Taking Names wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:48:23 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> On 4/24/2013 12:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >>>> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> He really is.  Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>

> >>>>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...

>
> >>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> >>>>>> people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible
> >>>>>> to be
> >>>>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
> >>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
> >>>>> eat?
>
> >>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
> >>>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
> >>>>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>
> >>>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>
> >>>> It is immoral
>
> >>> to want or allow children the elderly, disabled and the unemployed to go
> >>> hungry or even incur malnutrition in a land of plenty.  Your claim that
> >>> it's somehow "good for them" is merely a disgusting guise for your
> >>> adolescent selfishness and greed, which are both hallmarks of an
> >>> underdeveloped morality and character.
>
> >> He's a piece of shit.
>
> > No.  You're the piece of shit - a fucking goddamned collectivist
> > totalitarian piece of shit.  I'm trying to cut you pieces of shit off at
> > the knees.  I'd like to cut your little raisin nads off and pound them
> > up your nose.
>
> It's way too early in the day for you to be so inebriated, Pimple.
> Really.  The spiking extremity of your irrational emotionalism and
> inchoate rage is a dead giveaway.

It's a carry over from last night when The Pimple got more inebriated
than usual.

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 3:20 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

> On 4/24/2013 12:37 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>> On 4/24/2013 2:31 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama
>>>>>> doesn't want people to be self reliant. Obama wants as
>>>>>> many people as possible to be takers dependent on
>>>>>> government money seized from makers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work,
>>>>> they don't eat?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet
>>>>> of delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the
>>>>> breaks. Eat grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency of
>>>> any society is how it treats its members that are powerless,
>>>> i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the unlucky and
>>>> the physically/mentally challenged.
>>>
>>> You've tried that phony high-minded-sounding rhetoric before, and
>>> it got shot down then, too. That's just something people who
>>> embrace collectivism, and the totalitarianism required to enforce
>>> it, like to say,
>>

>> And Christians. [here, the Pimple felt it necessary to edit out the
>> Bible verse that proves how his moral and character
>> underdevelopment are diametrically opposed to core Christian
>> values. I've restored the verse]

As it says in the Holy Bible: "And the King shall answer and say unto
them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of
the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me."

>

> Fuck off. [snip of usual idiotic blather about what Pimple claims to
> "know"]

Do you kiss your inflatable boyfriend with that mouth?

There's that magical omniscience [again] that the Pimple thinks he has,
wherein he can read minds, divine facts unknowable to him absent magical
powers, and predict future events with absolute certainty. He also
believes that any made-up, nonsense, BS "fact" he pulls out of his
rectum is automatically an "an established fact, not in rational
dispute." No wonder he's made himself into such a ridiculous, angry
little laughingstock!

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 3:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
[snip]

>>> No. You're the piece of shit - a fucking goddamned collectivist
>>> totalitarian piece of shit. I'm trying to cut you pieces of shit
>>> off at the knees. I'd like to cut your little raisin nads off
>>> and pound them up your nose.
>>

>> It's way too early in the day for you to be so inebriated, Pimple.
>> Really. The spiking extremity of your irrational emotionalism and
>> inchoate rage is a dead giveaway.
>

> Shut up <waah>

Pimple, it's quite apparent that, emotionally and probably
intellectually, you've never left the junior high schoolyard. If I were
as developmentally stunted as you are, I suppose the expected reply
would be something like "Who's gonna make me? You? Come on and try it,
you pussy."

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 3:35 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
[snip]

>>>>>> It is immoral
>>
>>>>> to want or allow children the elderly, disabled and the unemployed to go
>>>>> hungry or even incur malnutrition in a land of plenty. Your claim that
>>>>> it's somehow "good for them" is merely a disgusting guise for your
>>>>> adolescent selfishness and greed, which are both hallmarks of an
>>>>> underdeveloped morality and character.
>>
>>>> He's a piece of shit.
>>
>>> No. You're the piece of shit - a fucking goddamned collectivist
>>> totalitarian piece of shit. I'm trying to cut you pieces of shit off at
>>> the knees. I'd like to cut your little raisin nads off and pound them
>>> up your nose.
>>
>> It's way too early in the day for you to be so inebriated, Pimple.
>> Really. The spiking extremity of your irrational emotionalism and
>> inchoate rage is a dead giveaway.
>
> It's a carry over from last night when The Pimple got more inebriated
> than usual.

Oh, so he's on another bender, then? What joy!

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 1:35 PM, Denny wrote:
> George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

> Ladies and gents, here we have one of those humanitarians who would
> joyfully accept the 10 dollar a week deal and ignore the corpses.

No.

People do not starve in America, and the abolition of food stamps would
not lead to any incidence of starvation or widespread hunger.

You liars are trying present a completely false choice: *either* we
create a huge and permanently dependent class of people who get ample
food paid for by the efforts of others, and do everything we can to
increase that class; *or* there will be mass starvation in America.
That's what you're trying to say, and it's bullshit.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 1:38 PM, Denny wrote:
> George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

> You are misinformed.

I'm not. I'm exceptionally well informed. I am right about this.
Leftists like you mock religion generally and Christianity in
particular. It's part and parcel of your anti-western-civilization
ideology.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 1:40 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 3:20 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/24/2013 12:37 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2013 2:31 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama
>>>>>>> doesn't want people to be self reliant. Obama wants as
>>>>>>> many people as possible to be takers dependent on
>>>>>>> government money seized from makers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work,
>>>>>> they don't eat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet
>>>>>> of delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the
>>>>>> breaks. Eat grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency of
>>>>> any society is how it treats its members that are powerless,
>>>>> i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the unlucky and
>>>>> the physically/mentally challenged.
>>>>
>>>> You've tried that phony high-minded-sounding rhetoric before, and
>>>> it got shot down then, too. That's just something people who
>>>> embrace collectivism, and the totalitarianism required to enforce
>>>> it, like to say,
>>>

>>> And Christians. [snip cynical bullshit]

>>
>> Fuck off. Leftists denigrate religion generally and Christianity specifically all the time. You advocate a complete divorce of religion and public policy. When a politician says anything about his Christian faith informing his policy views, you smirk and ridicule. You don't get to have it both ways. Fuck off.
>

> [disbarred ambulance chaser wheeze erased]

Fuck off.

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 3:50 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 1:38 PM, Denny wrote:
>> George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2013 12:37 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>>>> On 4/24/2013 2:31 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.
>>>>>>>> Obama doesn't want people to be self reliant. Obama
>>>>>>>> wants as many people as possible to be takers dependent
>>>>>>>> on government money seized from makers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't
>>>>>>> work, they don't eat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that
>>>>>>> fleet of delivery trucks just as the economy crashed?
>>>>>>> Them's the breaks. Eat grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency
>>>>>> of any society is how it treats its members that are
>>>>>> powerless, i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor,
>>>>>> the unlucky and the physically/mentally challenged.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've tried that phony high-minded-sounding rhetoric before,
>>>>> and it got shot down then, too. That's just something people
>>>>> who embrace collectivism, and the totalitarianism required to
>>>>> enforce it, like to say,
>>>>

>>>> And Christians. [here, the Pimple felt it necessary to edit
>>>> out the Bible verse that proves how his moral and character
>>>> underdevelopment are diametrically opposed to core Christian
>>>> values. I've restored the verse]

As it says in the Holy Bible: "And the King shall answer and say unto
them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of
the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me."

>>> Fuck off. Leftists denigrate religion generally and
>>> Christianity specifically all the time. You advocate a complete
>>> divorce of religion and public policy. When a politician says
>>> anything about his Christian faith informing his policy views,
>>> you smirk and ridicule. You don't get to have it both ways.
>>> Fuck off.
>>
>> You are misinformed.
>
> I'm not. I'm exceptional

Pimple, when they told you were "exceptional" they didn't mean it in a
good way. They meant that you qualified to ride the short bus to school.

[Uncle Steve]

Christianity is a blight on the face of humanity, and you are obvously
a posterboy for that indefensible blight. There is nothing moral
accomplished by religious organizations that could not be done better
by committed, intelligent secular policy. Nothing. The religion
exists to provide excuses for shitty morals, corruption, and anti-
social behaviors to weak-minded little hollow half-men like you as
you mass in groups. In exchange for your obedience to it's medieval
morality and pseudo-intellectualism, you hand over your soul to the
church and become its little idiot bitch.


Regards,

Uncle Steve

--
Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it
flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
-- Friedrich Neitzsche

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 3:52 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 1:40 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>> On 4/24/2013 3:20 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2013 12:37 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>>>> On 4/24/2013 2:31 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.
>>>>>>>> Obama doesn't want people to be self reliant. Obama
>>>>>>>> wants as many people as possible to be takers dependent
>>>>>>>> on government money seized from makers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't
>>>>>>> work, they don't eat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that
>>>>>>> fleet of delivery trucks just as the economy crashed?
>>>>>>> Them's the breaks. Eat grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency
>>>>>> of any society is how it treats its members that are
>>>>>> powerless, i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the
>>>>>> unlucky and the physically/mentally challenged.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've tried that phony high-minded-sounding rhetoric before,
>>>>> and it got shot down then, too. That's just something people
>>>>> who embrace collectivism, and the totalitarianism required to
>>>>> enforce it, like to say,
>>>>

>>>> And Christians. [here, the Pimple felt it necessary to edit
>>>> out the Bible verse that proves how his moral and character
>>>> underdevelopment are diametrically opposed to core
>>>> Christian values. I've restored the verse]

As it says in the Holy Bible: "And the King shall answer and say unto
them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of
the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me."

>>> Fuck off. [snip of usual idiotic blather about what Pimple claims to "know"]

Do you kiss your inflatable boyfriend with that mouth?

There's that magical omniscience [again] that the Pimple thinks he has,
wherein he can read minds, divine facts unknowable to him absent magical
powers, and predict future events with absolute certainty. He also
believes that any made-up, nonsense, BS "fact" he pulls out of his
rectum is automatically an "an established fact, not in rational
dispute." No wonder he's made himself into such a ridiculous, angry
little laughingstock!

> Fuck off.

Inane and pointless repetition, along with increased obscenity and
incoherence, are also telltales to your state of inebriation. You
display many signs of chronic alcoholism.

[Kicking Ass and Taking Names]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:01:01 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

In the immortal words of GWBush: BRING IT ON, MOFO, BRING IT ON.

[Sancho Panza]

But cut the guts out of the charitable contribution deduction, as Obama
is doing, and we already see donations to food banks, far more
nutritious and beneficial to recipients, dropping off drastically.

[Sancho Panza]

On 4/24/2013 2:28 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 11:18 AM, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
> wrote:

>> On Apr 24, 12:17 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>> He really is. Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>>>

>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...

>>>
>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't want
>>> people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as possible to be
>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>

>> Locks in the Demorat vote.
>
> Romney took a lot of heat, entirely unfairly, for his comment last fall
> that the Obama regime had bought the votes of a huge part of the
> electorate by giving them goodies. Romney was absolutely right. That's
> exactly what this regime is doing.
>
Hey, it works. Why not?

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 1:46 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 3:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

>>>> No. You're the piece of shit - a fucking goddamned collectivist
>>>> totalitarian piece of shit. I'm trying to cut you pieces of shit off at
>>>> the knees. I'd like to cut your little raisin nads off and pound them
>>>> up your nose.
>>>
>>> It's way too early in the day for you to be so inebriated,
>>

>> Shut up, disbarred ambulance chaser.
>

> Prof. Plimpton, it's quite apparent that

you're a petulant asshole. Yes.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 2:01 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>> On 4/24/2013 1:40 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2013 3:20 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/24/2013 12:37 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>>>>> On 4/24/2013 2:31 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama
>>>>>>>>> doesn't want people to be self reliant. Obama wants as
>>>>>>>>> many people as possible to be takers dependent on
>>>>>>>>> government money seized from makers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work,
>>>>>>>> they don't eat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet
>>>>>>>> of delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the
>>>>>>>> breaks. Eat grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency of
>>>>>>> any society is how it treats its members that are powerless,
>>>>>>> i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the unlucky and
>>>>>>> the physically/mentally challenged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've tried that phony high-minded-sounding rhetoric before, and
>>>>>> it got shot down then, too. That's just something people who
>>>>>> embrace collectivism, and the totalitarianism required to enforce
>>>>>> it, like to say,
>>>>>

>>>>> And Christians. [snip cynical bullshit]
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off. Leftists denigrate religion generally and Christianity
>>>> specifically all the time. You advocate a complete divorce of
>>>> religion and public policy. When a politician says anything about
>>>> his Christian faith informing his policy views, you smirk and
>>>> ridicule. You don't get to have it both ways. Fuck off.
>>>
>>> [disbarred ambulance chaser wheeze erased]
>>

>> Fuck off.
>
> Inane and pointless repetition

...is all you do.

[jon_banquer]

On Apr 24, 2:35 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 1:46 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/24/2013 3:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >> On 4/24/2013 1:31 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> >>> On 4/24/2013 3:01 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >>>> On 4/24/2013 12:22 PM, Kicking Ass and Taking Names wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:48:23 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On 4/24/2013 12:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> He really is.  Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>

> >>>>>>>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...

Time to hit the juice bar at Whole Foods, Pimple. Order a large fresh
vegetable juice. Do it today!

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 4:30 PM, Sancho Panza wrote:
>> No one would starve in America even if SNAP were abolished.
>>
> But cut the guts out of the charitable contribution deduction, as Obama
> is doing,

Pure hyperbole. Obama's proposal is to cap the value of charitable tax
deductions, which would still be basically unlimited in amount, to 28%.
Unless your tax rate is higher than 28%, you won't be affected at all.
Wealthier taxpayers do lose some value in their charitable donations.
If their tax rate is 35%, each dollar they give would, under Obama's
proposal, actually cost them 72 cents. Now, each dollar they give only
costs them 65 cents.

Personally, I prefer a cap on the total of all deductions set at
specific dollar amounts.

> and we already see donations to food banks, far more
> nutritious and beneficial to recipients, dropping off drastically.

IF that's true, I somehow doubt that it's due to proposed FUTURE tax law
changes that have rather poor prospects of ever becoming enacted. It's
much more likely due to the ongoing impoverishment of the middle class.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 24, 12:43 pm, Ed Huntress <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:25:58 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> He really is.  Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>
> >>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...
>
> >>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> >>> people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible to be
> >>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
> >> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
> >> eat?
>
> >> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
> >> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
> >> grass, you stupid old fart...
>
> >> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>

> >It is immoral to try to persuade people to think of themselves as
> >victims.
>
> It is immoral to let people starve because they aren't as bright or as
> lucky as you.
>
> >It is immoral to create a permanent dependent class who give
> >up entirely on trying to make their own way in life.  Temporary
> >assistance for those in dire need is one thing, but Obama, this vile
> >woman and your son are trying to increase the numbers of people
> >permanently dependent on handouts.  That's wrong.
>
> They're already on the skids. Almost all of the people my son helps
> are over 60 and out of luck.
>
> Fuck you.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

PimpleButt is just lucky...not smart.

He could EASILY be in need.

And his life is yet not done...there is hope that this conservative
ahole will be on the receiving end of conservative trickle down
economics yet.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 24, 1:07 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

> On 4/24/2013 10:43 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:25:58 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> He really is.  Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>
> >>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...
>
> >>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> >>>> people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible to be
> >>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
> >>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
> >>> eat?
>
> >>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
> >>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
> >>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>
> >>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>
> >> It is immoral to try to persuade people to think of themselves as
> >> victims.
>
> > It is immoral to let people starve because they aren't as bright or as
> > lucky as you.
>

> No one starves in America.  We don't let people starve.  Any given
> person in America can get food from a soup kitchen, food bank, shelter,
> numerous churches and other do-gooder entities, and of course there is
> some government-funded public assistance - too much of it.
>
> The issue is not whether or not we let people starve, which America does
> not do.  The issue is creating a permanent class of dependents, which
> this administration is furiously trying to do.  That's immoral and bad
> policy.
>
> That dole recruiter in Florida is trying to persuade people who think of
> themselves as not in need of public assistance, and who clearly are not
> starving or even hungry or malnourished, to think of themselves instead
> as "deserving" of other people's money.  Yes, they're scraping by on
> little, but they're not starving and not in need of taxpayers' money to
> feed themselves, yet that disgusting dependency-monger is trying to
> persuade them to take the money.  That's immoral.

>
>
>
> >> It is immoral to create a permanent dependent class who give
> >> up entirely on trying to make their own way in life.  Temporary
> >> assistance for those in dire need is one thing, but Obama, this vile
> >> woman and your son are trying to increase the numbers of people
> >> permanently dependent on handouts.  That's wrong.
>
> > They're already on the skids. Almost all of the people my son helps
> > are over 60 and out of luck.
>

> That doesn't mean they need someone else's money to feed themselves.
> Most probably don't.
>
> > Fuck you.
>
> No, fuck *you*, and fuck your dependency-mongering son.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

You are so out of reality you must be living on Mars.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

"...they need someone else's money to feed themselves."

LOL...Pimplebutt shows his true colors....he would rather see someone
starve including children RATHER than have HIS money used to help
fellow Americans.

He's a real SOB.

I bet he's 450 pounds plus.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 24, 1:17 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> > wrote:
>
> >> He really is.  Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>
> >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...
>
> >> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> >> people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible to be
> >> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
> > Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
> > eat?
>
> > Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
> > delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
> > grass, you stupid old fart...
>
> > BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>

> Your son is a shitbag, then.  He's part of the problem.  He's part of
> the dependency shills who are trying to undermine the American ethos of
> self reliance.  He's trying to persuade people who are not starving -
> not even close to being hungry - and who still have enough self respect
> that they're trying to get by on their own, that there's free stuff out
> there for them, and that they ought to shitcan their remaining self
> respect and self reliance and just become permanently dependent on money
> taken from others.
>
> Your son is immoral.  He reflects your immorality.  You're exactly the
> left-wing fuckscum I've always said you are.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Ed...your son is a impressive person for reaching out to help others.

The only shitbag here is Pimplebutt.

But we already knew that.

Laugh.laugh..laugh...


TMT

[F. George McDuffee]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:00:49 -0400, Ed Huntress
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

<snip>
>Agreed.
>
>My son knows what's right and wrong in those most basic terms.
<snip>

If you are following this thread this article should be of
interest. It is worth remembering that if you lose 1/2 your
income, for example one spouse is laid off in a two income
household, your food costs as a percent of income double.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/economics/2013/04/24/if-your-food-costs-double-what-will-you-give-up/
--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

[Sancho Panza]

Maybe, just maybe, those who can should support themselves. If you want
to say 50 milliion Americans are unable to support themselves, you've
got one sour and depressing view of our country. Do any of those other
so-called advanced countries have anything approaching that?

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 24, 1:48 pm, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:

> On 4/24/2013 12:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> He really is.  Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>
> >>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...
>
> >>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> >>> people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible to be
> >>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
> >> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
> >> eat?
>
> >> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
> >> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
> >> grass, you stupid old fart...
>
> >> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>
> > It is immoral
>

> to want or allow children the elderly, disabled and the unemployed to go
> hungry or even incur malnutrition in a land of plenty.  Your claim that
> it's somehow "good for them" is merely a disgusting guise for your
> adolescent selfishness and greed, which are both hallmarks of an

> underdeveloped morality and character.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Well said.

Ever notice that conservatives are never "needing a meal"?

TMT

[Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E]

> TMT- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Thats correct. We all have jobs and EARN our money.

[Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E]

> TMT- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

And your on Ur-anus.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 24, 1:56 pm, F. George McDuffee <gmcduf...@mcduffee-

associates.us> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:22:40 -0400, Ed Huntress
>

> <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>

>
> >>Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> >>people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible to be
> >>takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
> >Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
> >eat?
>
> >Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
> >delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
> >grass, you stupid old fart...
>

> <snip>
>
> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency
> of any society is how it treats its members that are
> powerless, i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the

> --
> Unka' George
>
> "Gold is the money of kings,
> silver is the money of gentlemen,
> barter is the money of peasants,
> but debt is the money of slaves"
>
> -Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

Very well said.

"....one definitive test of the morality and competency

of any society is how it treats its members that are
powerless, i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the
unlucky and the physically/mentally challenged. "

I argue this is THE TEST of who a person is...really is.

I note that every conservative I have ever known personally has failed
this test.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 24, 1:58 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 11:41 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:07:44 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

> > wrote:
>
> >> On 4/24/2013 10:43 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:25:58 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> He really is.  Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>
> >>>>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...
>

> >>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> >>>>>> people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible to be
> >>>>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
> >>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
> >>>>> eat?
>
> >>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
> >>>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
> >>>>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>

> >>>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>
> >>>> It is immoral to try to persuade people to think of themselves as
> >>>> victims.
>
> >>> It is immoral to let people starve because they aren't as bright or as
> >>> lucky as you.
>
> >> No one starves in America.  We don't let people starve.  Any given
> >> person in America can get food from a soup kitchen, food bank, shelter,
> >> numerous churches and other do-gooder entities, and of course there is
> >> some government-funded public assistance - too much of it.
>

> > For the short-term out-of-luck, like Gunner when he resorted to the
> > Dumpsters, those things are fine. When you're 60, alone, and
> > unemployable, there is no reason to subject yourself to those
> > indignities. They add up and drive you down even further into despair.
> > And they aren't available everywhere.
>
> You're desperately refusing to address the *fact* that many of these
> people recruited by dependency mongers like your son do *NOT* need the
> help in order to avoid malnutrition or worse.  Instead, your son has
> been immorally reared to embrace the idea that people "deserve" to be
> permanently dependent on the efforts of others.  You're to blame.

>
>
>
> >> The issue is not whether or not we let people starve, which America does
> >> not do.  The issue is creating a permanent class of dependents, which
> >> this administration is furiously trying to do.  That's immoral and bad
> >> policy.
>

> > Nobody is trying to create a permanent class of dependents.
>
> That's exactly what the dependency-monger-in-chief and your immoral son
> are trying to do.

>
>
>
> >> That dole recruiter in Florida is trying to persuade people who think of
> >> themselves as not in need of public assistance, and who clearly are not
> >> starving or even hungry or malnourished, to think of themselves instead
> >> as "deserving" of other people's money.
>

> > The story says they're out of luck and depressed.
>
> That doesn't translate to starving, or entitled to live permanently off
> the efforts of others.
>
> > Now he's in DC and he knows. He knows it first-hand, a lot better than
> > I do. Unless I miss my guess, he knows what it is a lot better than
> > you do.
>
> Your son believes in permanent dependency as a way of securing the votes
> of the dependent clients for left-wing collectivists.

>
> >> Yes, they're scraping by on
> >> little, but they're not starving and not in need of taxpayers' money to
> >> feed themselves, yet that disgusting dependency-monger is trying to
> >> persuade them to take the money.  That's immoral.
>

> > She knows what it is. I doubt if you do.
>
> I know that she is trying to persuade people who don't believe they need
> help to take the money anyway.  That's immoral.  If someone feels she
> needs the help and seeks it, then help her; but don't try to persuade
> someone who believe she doesn't need it that she really does - that you
> know better than she.  That's the whole problem with the left-wing
> collectivist nanny state:  that the cadres know what we need better than
> we know ourselves.

>
>
>
> >>>> It is immoral to create a permanent dependent class who give
> >>>> up entirely on trying to make their own way in life.  Temporary
> >>>> assistance for those in dire need is one thing, but Obama, this vile
> >>>> woman and your son are trying to increase the numbers of people
> >>>> permanently dependent on handouts.  That's wrong.
>
> >>> They're already on the skids. Almost all of the people my son helps
> >>> are over 60 and out of luck.
>
> >> That doesn't mean they need someone else's money to feed themselves.
> >> Most probably don't.
>

> > Yeah, they do.
>
> No, most probably don't, but we have a regime that crucially relies on
> fostering a permanently dependent class who then will vote for the
> enablers.  Obama is creating a culture of Chavismo here.

>
>
>
> >>> Fuck you.
>
> >> No, fuck *you*, and fuck your dependency-mongering son.
>

> > Yeah, he's fostering "dependency" among 60-year-old people living in
> > poverty who have NO hope of getting a job.
>
> Bullshit.  He's fostering dependency - *permanent* dependency - among
> people many of whom can fend for themselves perfectly well.  He's
> working to create parasitism.
>
> > I'm sure glad he didn't turn out like you.
>
> I'm a much better person than your immoral son could even dream of being.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Hey Pimplebutt...how do you KNOW they don't need the help?

The fact is that you DO NOT KNOW.

That in itself marks you as a conservative idiot.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 24, 2:37 pm, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 2:31 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> <snip>
>

> >>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> >>>> people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible
> >>>> to be
> >>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
> >>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
> >>> eat?
>
> >>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
> >>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
> >>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>

> >> <snip>
>
> >> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency
> >> of any society is how it treats its members that are
> >> powerless, i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the
> >> unlucky and the physically/mentally challenged.
>

> > You've tried that phony high-minded-sounding rhetoric before, and it got
> > shot down then, too.  That's just something people who embrace
> > collectivism, and the totalitarianism required to enforce it, like to
> > say,
>

> And Christians.  As it says in the Holy Bible: "And the King shall

> answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have
> done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it]

> unto me.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Conservative only remember Bibical teachings when it fattens their
wallets.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 24, 3:01 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 12:22 PM, Kicking Ass and Taking Names wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:48:23 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
> > wrote:

>
> >> On 4/24/2013 12:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >>> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> He really is.  Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>
> >>>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...
>

> >>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> >>>>> people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible to be
> >>>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
> >>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
> >>>> eat?
>
> >>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
> >>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
> >>>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>

> >>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>
> >>> It is immoral
>

> >> to want or allow children the elderly, disabled and the unemployed to go
> >> hungry or even incur malnutrition in a land of plenty.  Your claim that
> >> it's somehow "good for them" is merely a disgusting guise for your
> >> adolescent selfishness and greed, which are both hallmarks of an

> >> underdeveloped morality and character.
>
> > He's a piece of shit.
>
> No.  You're the piece of shit - a fucking goddamned collectivist
> totalitarian piece of shit.  I'm trying to cut you pieces of shit off at
> the knees.  I'd like to cut your little raisin nads off and pound them
> up your nose.
>

> > Elsewhere on the hallowed grounds of alt.politics are two threads
> > populated by the Champion Liars:  George Plimpton, PHANTOM, and
> > Criminal Drivers.  The topic of these threads is something about "food
> > stamp recruiters."
>
> > They tell us bullshit about how recruiters are out dragooning people
> > into signing up for food stamps whether they need to or not.  They
> > claim that one recruiter is supposed to sign up 50 a day.
>
> > BULLSHIT and again I call BULLSHIT.
>
> Nope.  No one said 50 a day.  The Post story says 150 per month:
>
>        In fact, it is Nerios’s job to enroll at least 150 seniors for
>        food stamps each month, a quota she usually exceeds.
>
> That's just criminal.
>
>
>
> > Their lies are perversions of a Washington Post story
>
> No lies, no perversion.
>
> > Here are the opening paragraphs.  Read the entire story and what you
> > will find . . . which is not what these three lying pieces of shit
> > want you to find . . . is that lots and lots of people are hurting
> > badly because of the economic policies of Reagan-Bush-Ryan-onomics.
>
> No, that's not what you find at all.  You find people are hurting
> because Obama, that fucking goddamned flea, is bleeding the economy to

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>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...Pimplebutt is so funny when he stomps his little fat feet...it
makes his blubber wiggle like a whale.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 24, 3:11 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 4/24/2013 12:26 PM, jeffy m, shitstain with a *legal* disability that
> prevents him from practicing law, lied:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/24/2013 11:58 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >> On 4/24/2013 11:44 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:17:23 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> He really is.  Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>
> >>>>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-recrui...
>
> >>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real.  Obama doesn't want
> >>>>>> people to be self reliant.  Obama wants as many people as possible
> >>>>>> to be
> >>>>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>
> >>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they don't
> >>>>> eat?
>
> >>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
> >>>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks. Eat
> >>>>> grass, you stupid old fart...
>
> >>>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>

> >>>> Your son is a shitbag, then.
>

> >>> <plonk douchebag-prig-anarcho-loon>
>
> >> not-so-fast eddie, a far-left totalitarian cunt, concedes defeat again.
>
> > Are you familiar with the Black Knight character from [clip remaining bullshit]
>
> <yawn>
>
> not-so-fast eddie conceded defeat.  Everyone who publicly announces
> killfiling does.
>
> not-so-fast eddie's son is a shitbag.  It's not surprising, as
> not-so-fast eddie is a far-left collectivist shitbag and imparted those
> bad values to his sprog.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I would never killfile you Pimplebutt...you are just too gut busting
funny to watch.

TMT

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 8:30 PM, Sancho Panza wrote:
[snip]

>> LOL...Pimplebutt shows his true colors....he would rather see someone
>> starve including children RATHER than have HIS money used to help
>> fellow Americans.
>
> Maybe, just maybe, those who can should support themselves. If you want
> to say 50 milliion Americans are unable to support themselves, you've
> got one sour and depressing view of our country. Do any of those other
> so-called advanced countries have anything approaching that?

No one is "supported" by SNAP. It's just a rather modest subsidy for
food costs only, and neither complete nor unrestricted financial
support. It's not that different, for example, from the subsidy home
buyers enjoy in the form of the tax deduction for mortgage interest.

[Jeff M]

On 4/24/2013 8:55 PM, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
wrote:
[snip]

>>>> It is immoral
>>
>>> to want or allow children the elderly, disabled and the unemployed to go
>>> hungry or even incur malnutrition in a land of plenty. Your claim that
>>> it's somehow "good for them" is merely a disgusting guise for your
>>> adolescent selfishness and greed, which are both hallmarks of an
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>>
>> Well said.
>>
>> Ever notice that conservatives are never "needing a meal"?
>>
>> TMT- Hide quoted text -
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>
> Thats correct. We all have jobs and EARN our money.

Ah, the familiar fantasy of their totally illusory superiority. It's a
lie, of course, but sine qua non of the conservative is a strong
preference for comforting lies over a sometimes scary or difficult reality.

[Too_Many_Tools]

> > TMT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

It also says that capitalism does not work.

But conservatives never think that others will notice.

TMT

[Ed Huntress]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:26:51 -0500, F. George McDuffee
<gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:00:49 -0400, Ed Huntress
><hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>Agreed.
>>
>>My son knows what's right and wrong in those most basic terms.
><snip>
>
>If you are following this thread this article should be of
>interest. It is worth remembering that if you lose 1/2 your
>income, for example one spouse is laid off in a two income
>household, your food costs as a percent of income double.
>
>http://cincinnati.com/blogs/economics/2013/04/24/if-your-food-costs-double-what-will-you-give-up/

Yeah. And just think what will happen if we replace income taxes with
sales taxes or VATs. Their taxes as a percent of disposable income go
through the roof. That "disposable income" of course is cut to ribbons
by food costs in that situation.

Damn.

--
Ed Huntress

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 4:23 PM, Denny wrote:
> George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

>> On 4/24/2013 1:35 PM, Denny wrote:
>>> George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

>>>> On 4/24/2013 12:28 PM, Denny wrote:
>>>>> Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:

>>>>>> On 4/24/2013 12:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/24/2013 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:17:00 -0700, George Plimpton
>>>>>>>> <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He really is. Did you know that there are food stamp recruiters?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-florida-a-food-stamp-re
>>>>>>>>> cr ui

>>>>>>>>> ter-deals-with-wrenching-choices/2013/04/23/b3d6b41c-a3a4-11e2-9c
>>>>>>>>> 03 -6 952ff305f35_print.html

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't
>>>>>>>>> want people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as
>>>>>>>>> possible to be takers dependent on government money seized from
>>>>>>>>> makers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they
>>>>>>>> don't eat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>>>>>>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks.
>>>>>>>> Eat grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW, my son is a SNAP volunteer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is immoral
>>>>>>

>>>>>> to want or allow children the elderly, disabled and the unemployed
>>>>>> to go hungry or even incur malnutrition in a land of plenty. Your
>>>>>> claim that it's somehow "good for them" is merely a disgusting guise
>>>>>> for your adolescent selfishness and greed, which are both hallmarks
>>>>>> of an underdeveloped morality and character.
>>>>>

>>>>> I live in one of the poorest states in the country. If there wasn't a
>>>>> food stamp program, most or all of the grocery stores here would go
>>>>> out of business.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Bullshit.
>>>> 2. So what if they did?
>>>>
>>>>> And if we didn't have medicare, most or all of the pharmacies and
>>>>> clinics would go out of business.
>>>>
>>>> You know, I've noticed there aren't enough golf courses and golf pro
>>>> shops in my area. Looks like we need some program to put
>>>> golf-specific vouchers in people's hands so more of them will be
>>>> generated.
>>>>
>>>> Look, you fuckstain - we're not concerned with keeping the number of
>>>> grocers and pharmacists artificially inflated.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ladies and gents, here we have one of those humanitarians who would
>>> joyfully accept the 10 dollar a week deal and ignore the corpses.
>>
>> No.
>>
>> People do not starve in America, and the abolition of food stamps would
>> not lead to any incidence of starvation or widespread hunger.
>>
>> You liars are trying present a completely false choice: *either* we
>> create a huge and permanently dependent class of people who get ample
>> food paid for by the efforts of others, and do everything we can to
>> increase that class; *or* there will be mass starvation in America.
>> That's what you're trying to say, and it's bullshit.
>
> I know what you mean. [snip evasive bullshit]

You don't. You're presenting a bullshit false choice.

The food stamp dole recruiters are not signing up people with children,
as that story made clear.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 4:26 PM, Denny wrote:
> George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

>> On 4/24/2013 1:38 PM, Denny wrote:
>>> George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

>>>> On 4/24/2013 12:37 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>>>>> On 4/24/2013 2:31 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Un-fucking-believable...except it's all too real. Obama doesn't
>>>>>>>>> want people to be self reliant. Obama wants as many people as
>>>>>>>>> possible to be
>>>>>>>>> takers dependent on government money seized from makers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Damned parasites. Don't they know that if they don't work, they
>>>>>>>> don't eat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who cares if that guy invested his life savings in that fleet of
>>>>>>>> delivery trucks just as the economy crashed? Them's the breaks.
>>>>>>>> Eat grass, you stupid old fart...
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMNSHO, one definitive test of the morality and competency
>>>>>>> of any society is how it treats its members that are
>>>>>>> powerless, i.e. the very young, the very old, the poor, the
>>>>>>> unlucky and the physically/mentally challenged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've tried that phony high-minded-sounding rhetoric before, and it
>>>>>> got shot down then, too. That's just something people who embrace
>>>>>> collectivism, and the totalitarianism required to enforce it, like
>>>>>> to say,
>>>>>
>>>>> And Christians.
>>>>

>>>> Fuck off. Leftists denigrate religion generally and Christianity
>>>> specifically all the time. You advocate a complete divorce of
>>>> religion and public policy. When a politician says anything about his
>>>> Christian faith informing his policy views, you smirk and ridicule.
>>>> You don't get to have it both ways. Fuck off.
>>>
>>> You are misinformed.
>>
>> I'm not. I'm exceptionally well informed. I am right about this.
>> Leftists like you mock religion generally and Christianity in
>> particular. It's part and parcel of your anti-western-civilization
>> ideology.
>
> I mock the stupidity in all religions, and

Like all western-civilization-hating leftists, you particularly mock
Christianity. You do not have the standing then to spout Christian
scripture back in their faces.

[George Plimpton]

No. Fuck not-so-fast eddie, and his shitbag dependency-recruiting son.


>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
> Prof. Plimpton is just lucky...not smart.

I'm both, but mainly, I'm smart. I've taken care of myself, I've been
cautious, and I have made mainly good choices because I had a good
upbringing and knew right from wrong.

>
> He could EASILY be in need.

No. I've lived my life right. I'm not a spectacular success, but I'm
successful, and I've been more successful than you at every age, and
that pattern will persist. Other than some remarkable premature medical
problem that might have hit me - but didn't - it would be
*extraordinary* if I were in need today. I paid my dues, did the right
things, and realized success, just as pretty much everyone can.

Like most left-wing fuckstains, you wrongly think that success is mostly
a matter of luck. It is not. It's mostly a matter of virtue, but even
when some luck is involved, the truth of the matter is, as Mr. Branch
Rickey understood but you fucking left=wing fuckstains do not, that
"luck is the residue of design." I love that quote - it completely
fucks you effort-hating leftists right up the ass, and of course you
deserve it.

[George Plimpton]

> "...they need someone else's money to feed themselves."

No. That's not what I said. I said, "That doesn't mean they need
someone else's money to feed themselves." They don't.

>
> LOL...Prof. Plimpton shows his true colors....he would rather see someone
> starve

No one starves in America, and food stamps is not the reason why no one
starves.

[George Plimpton]

"a [sic] impressive person" - LOL!

No, he isn't. He exalts takers over makers. That's immoral.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/24/2013 6:26 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:00:49 -0400, Ed Huntress
> <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> My son knows what's right and wrong in those most basic terms.
> <snip>
>
> If you are following this thread this article should be of
> interest. It is worth remembering that if you lose 1/2 your
> income, for example one spouse is laid off in a two income
> household, your food costs as a percent of income double.

Only if you keep buying the same quantities and qualities of food. If
you're rationale, you wouldn't do that - you'd cut back.

Here's a fact: you do not have a "right" to a given quality and
quantity of food. You buy what you can afford, based on what you earn.

[George Plimpton]

> Bullshit said.

Exactly.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 24, 8:55 pm, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"

> Thats correct. We all have jobs and EARN our money.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Never "needing a meal" means that you are fat little fuckers...but you
already know that.

As all of you goons having jobs, what is out of work Romney doing
lately..you know as one of the 47%?

TMT

[George Plimpton]

> Hey Prof. Plimpton...how do you KNOW they don't need the help?

The people that dependency-mongering whore approached didn't think they
needed the help, and they weren't starving. Ergo, they didn't need the
help: QED

I'm a far better person than not-so-fast eddie fuckstain's
dependency-mongering shitbag son.

[George Plimpton]

> LOL...

You think it's funny that unemployment is still nearly 8% even as the
labor participation rate is at its lowest level in generations?

You would. Leftists love spreading misery.

[George Plimpton]

> I would never killfile you

You're a masochist. You enjoy having your ass kicked eight ways to Sunday.

[George Plimpton]

>>> Bullshit said.

>>
>>> Ever notice that conservatives are never "needing a meal"?
>>

>>> toolless

>>
>> Thats correct. We all have jobs and EARN our money.
>

> Never "needing a meal" means

It means that the person takes responsibility for his own lot in life,
and doesn't expect someone else to take care of him. That's what it means.

[Too_Many_Tools]

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>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL..you're proof that it is just luck..for now.

Tomorrow life can deal you a hand where you will need that help...pray
that a liberal is there with it.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

> starves.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

How would you know...does your mother get a cheese check?

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

> dependency-mongering shitbag son.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

No you're not.

A parasite upon society.

America needs to worm people like you.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

> >>         In fact, it is Nerios�s job to enroll at least 150 seniors for

> >>         food stamps each month, a quota she usually exceeds.
>
> >> That's just criminal.
>
> >>> Their lies are perversions of a Washington Post story
>
> >> No lies, no perversion.
>
> >>> Here are the opening paragraphs.  Read the entire story and what you
> >>> will find . . . which is not what these three lying pieces of shit
> >>> want you to find . . . is that lots and lots of people are hurting
> >>> badly because of the economic policies of Reagan-Bush-Ryan-onomics.
>
> >> No, that's not what you find at all.  You find people are hurting
> >> because Obama, that fucking goddamned flea, is bleeding the economy to
> >> death.
>
> > LOL...
>
> You think it's funny that unemployment is still nearly 8% even as the
> labor participation rate is at its lowest level in generations?
>

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>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...I think it is funny that you think you are successful.

Tinfoil hats do that to people.

TMT

[George Plimpton]

> LOL..you're proof that

Your belief that success is mostly a matter of luck is proved false.
You're simply a resentful cocksucker who has enjoyed little success, and
it's because you're not fucking good, not because you haven't been lucky.

[George Plimpton]

> How would you know

I know. It doesn't matter how I know; just that I do know, and I do.

[George Plimpton]

> No you're not.

I am. That's not in serious dispute. I encourage people to be self
reliant and to respect the legitimate rights of others. not-so-fat
eddie's son pushes the opposite. I'm right and he's wrong, and that's
the end of it; nothing left to argue.