How is your immune system ?
Lonnie Courtney Clay
or low grade fever ? If so then you are pretty weak. I have a robust
immune system and have survived "pneumonia" with temperature to 107+
several times. I go to a doctor with a serious problem once every
couple three years. In the meantime I stick it out without taking even
aspirin unless my fever passes 103. I recall reading a book many years
ago where the recreational drugs were time release capsules of
"killer" diseases. The outer layer was a hit to wake up the immune
system with the disease, give a fever flush, and a bad/good trip. Then
the inner coating of antigens would hit, flushing the disease out and
leaving a residue of antibodies in case of biological attack. The
character was in a bar and picked black death, bubonic plague, and
yellow fever as a simultaneous hit.
That seems pretty bizarre doesn't it ? But it may be precisely what we
will have to do if terrorism with biological weapons really gets
rolling. Imagine the frustration of the would be terrorists as the
pill popping population treats their attack as a free hit......
There is absolutely no way to permanently eradicate disease. So work
around it by having super immune systems to proactively react rather
than gutting the ability of the public to defend themselves. In case
you did not notice, that is precisely what the drug companies,
American Medical Association, and Centers for Disease Control are
dedicated to doing. The big question is whether the butcher's bill
will be larger their way or the alternative which I mention above. One
thing is absolutely certain, all the drug companies with their
nostrums to treat symptoms rather than helping the immune system do
its own job would be right out the door.......
I have never trusted a doctor ever since they had my tonsils removed
as a child. They were there for a purpose, and the stupid ********
doctors tore them out. The same goes for problems with appendix too,
which I still have (appendix, not problems). Surgeons would be
contemptable buffoons if they were not also allowed to rip out
people's vital parts. Would you trust a car mechanic who routinely
recommended an engine replacement when you just took your car in for a
turn-up ? I thought not, yet people fall for that one too........
Big windmills today = "Dimwits gain boldly!" Hah!
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Louis Boyd
>
> Do you go running to the medicine cabinet as soon as you get a sniffle
> or low grade fever ? If so then you are pretty weak. I have a robust
> immune system and have survived "pneumonia" with temperature to 107+
> several times. I go to a doctor with a serious problem once every
> couple three years. In the meantime I stick it out without taking even
> aspirin unless my fever passes 103. I recall reading a book many years
> ago where the recreational drugs were time release capsules of
> "killer" diseases. The outer layer was a hit to wake up the immune
> system with the disease, give a fever flush, and a bad/good trip. Then
> the inner coating of antigens would hit, flushing the disease out and
> leaving a residue of antibodies in case of biological attack. The
> character was in a bar and picked black death, bubonic plague, and
> yellow fever as a simultaneous hit.
If you have such a good immune system how come you ever had a 107 fever?
You immune system should have grabbed the little buggers rather than
relying on your body frying them and and with it your brain.
(snip)
> I have never trusted a doctor ever since they had my tonsils removed
> as a child. They were there for a purpose, and the stupid ********
> doctors tore them out. The same goes for problems with appendix too,
> which I still have (appendix, not problems). Surgeons would be
> contemptable buffoons if they were not also allowed to rip out
> people's vital parts. Would you trust a car mechanic who routinely
> recommended an engine replacement when you just took your car in for a
> turn-up ? I thought not, yet people fall for that one too........
Show me a high performace car where a mechanic HASN'T ripped out the
engine and replaced it.
That is routine for racing. Often the only thing left unchanged is the
VIN number plate. Even for normal driving it makes sense to rip out
that dinky wrong diameter spare that comes with most cars. They're
about as useful as tonsils.
--
Lou Boyd
Unknown
>If you have such a good immune system how come you ever had a 107 fever?
>You immune system should have grabbed the little buggers rather than
>relying on your body frying them and and with it your brain.
>
I wondered about this as well. Back in 1989, I suffered an extensive
physical illness from antibiotic toxicity. I went on an immune
boosting hunt and have spent the rest of my life exploring nutrition
and alternative meds to boost my immune system.
Since 1989, I have never used an antibiotic, and I have never had a
fever of 107.
In 1998 I suffered a case of the "Flu from The Land of the Damned"
that put me in bed for a week. But even then, I was told I got off
rather lightly. Most people were down for that one for at least a
week, and several had it turn into bronchitis. (I also refused
aspirin and other meds, but I did drink lots of echinacea tea--steeped
for 8 hours----and I did use hot showers to get over the aching. I
also had a whole array of natural stuff to take. As I recall, I drank
parsely juice. Great for you, but ugh!)
One case of flu in ten years---now *THAT's* a good immune system.
But in the event of bio warfare, a good immune system may not save
you. Some of those bio toxins sidestep the immune system. Ricin
comes to mind. The "A chain" of a molecule of ricin is carried by
normal cell activity to the cytoplasm of a cell and from there the
normal cell process takes it into the endoplasmic reticulum
Once in the ER, the ricin "A chain" inactivates the cell ribosomes by
cleaving off pieces of them so that enzymatic function is halted. The
cell then dies, and the ricin is transported to cell after cell by
normal cell processes. There is no immune response to encapsulate and
eject the ricin, though the immune system does try to compensate for
the increasing numbers of cell deaths. But the ricin will keep
killing new cells until the person dies. A gram of ricin can kill a
person.
Even Anthrax (inhaled Anthrax, that is), if it enters the lungs and
multiplies beyond a certain point, will kill you no matter how good
your immune system is. This is why antibiotics are uselss against
inhaled anthrax after symptoms appear (but can save a person if
administered before symptoms appear). By the time symptoms appear,
(which is the signal that your immune system has identified the
invader and is fighting it), the body has been over colonized. Anthrax
releases a protein toxin called lethal toxin as it reproduces and
colonizes your system. There comes a point where there is so much
lethal toxin present that even the halting of the spread of the
bacteria will not save a person because the body cannot process out
the accumulated lethal toxin fast enough, and the lethal toxin will
destroy enough proteins to break down the pulmonary system
irreversibly and kill the person. It's the lethal toxin that kills,
and the immune system does not detect the lethal toxin, nor can white
blood cells do anything about it. In short, by the time your immune
system gears up to fight the bacteria, the bacteria has produced
enough lethal toxin to be fatal.
Your only hope is that your upper respiratory system would prevent the
bacteria from getting into your lungs. Or else you could hope that
you would be alerted to your danger and get treatment before symptoms
appear. Taking antibiotics before the symptoms appear is really a way
of killing the bacteria before your immune system has gotten itself
together.
jeriwho
Russell C. Nixon
>Lonnie Courtney Clay wrote:
>>
>> Do you go running to the medicine cabinet as soon as you get a sniffle
>> or low grade fever ? If so then you are pretty weak. I have a robust
>> immune system and have survived "pneumonia" with temperature to 107+
>> several times. I go to a doctor with a serious problem once every
>> couple three years. In the meantime I stick it out without taking even
>> aspirin unless my fever passes 103. I recall reading a book many years
>> ago where the recreational drugs were time release capsules of
>> "killer" diseases. The outer layer was a hit to wake up the immune
>> system with the disease, give a fever flush, and a bad/good trip. Then
>> the inner coating of antigens would hit, flushing the disease out and
>> leaving a residue of antibodies in case of biological attack. The
>> character was in a bar and picked black death, bubonic plague, and
>> yellow fever as a simultaneous hit.
>
>If you have such a good immune system how come you ever had a 107 fever?
^^^^^^^
I want to know how he "self-treated" the convulsions that surely
resulted from a 107f fever? Ahhh, bullshit.
Russ
Lonnie Courtney Clay
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It was 1986 right after the Christmas/New Years vacation of 1985 (San
Antonio Texas). As you can guess from the following there may have
been a write-up. I could not find my thermometer and stayed in bed.
After a few days of calling in to work sick, my boss insisted that I
go to a doctor and gave me a ride himself (I do not drive). I did not
have convusions but I did have a miserable backache. The illness had a
week to mature and all that I knew was that I was running a fever and
had chest congestion. After the usual wait I was admitted to an
examination room and a thermometer was placed in my mouth. When the
nurse read it she turned white and ran from the room. About ten
minutes later a doctor came in wearing lab gear and face mask and put
another (digital) thermometer in my mouth, then backed off to the
other side of the room. After checking the temperature, he took urine,
blood, and swab specimens and departed. A few minutes later he
returned with a couple of pills to take down the fever. In all I tied
up that examination room for a couple of hours, shivering on the cold
table, while tests were run. A multispectrum antibiotic was prescribed
and a few days later I was back to mormal with no lasting ill effects.
To give another example, in Dec 1984 I was prescribed as having the
incurable disease "Crohns disease of the Colon" "ulcerative colitis"
by a physician based upon ulcers and an abdominal infection. He
recommended surgery, which I refused. To take down the infection I
used Sulfasalazine for six months. I also changed my diet to eliminate
spicy foods and junk food, substituting lots and lots of salad and
fried onions. Six months later I had no ulcers at all and forced him
to write a retraction of his diagnosis for insurance purposes. Under
stress in 1988 I went to a doctor with similar symptoms and he pointed
out that at 3+ quarts of milk and a pound plus of meat per day, I was
setting up a real sewer in my gut. His words as I recall were
clabbered, rotting, and putrifying garbage. I found his advice much
more enlightening and a simple change of diet again headed off
trouble.
Doctors would *like* people to think that 107 is deadly, but I suspect
that it depends on the general health of the person involved. I do not
consider a few cases of "pneumonia" over 25 years to be a bad record.
I have relatives with chronic illnesses who let the doctors push them
further into the muck all the time. Eat healthy foods, exercise with
caution, keep an alert mind, be aware of your body, and you will be
healthy. Stop taking what the pill peddlers prescribe, since it will
improve your health in the long run. If you do not like my attitude,
then may you yourself fall into the hands of physicians and lawyers. I
know of no greater curse........
No joke by the way
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Strabo
>
> Do you go running to the medicine cabinet as soon as you get a sniffle
> or low grade fever ? If so then you are pretty weak. I have a robust
> immune system and have survived "pneumonia" with temperature to 107+
> several times. I go to a doctor with a serious problem once every
> couple three years. In the meantime I stick it out without taking even
> aspirin unless my fever passes 103.
Get thee to a teaching hospital ASAP! 107+?
A serious problem every three years? I've never had a serious
problem. It seems that your "robust" immune system could use
some work.
> I recall reading a book many years
> ago where the recreational drugs were time release capsules of
> "killer" diseases. The outer layer was a hit to wake up the immune
> system with the disease, give a fever flush, and a bad/good trip. Then
> the inner coating of antigens would hit, flushing the disease out and
> leaving a residue of antibodies in case of biological attack. The
> character was in a bar and picked black death, bubonic plague, and
> yellow fever as a simultaneous hit.
But then he recovered and went on to write the first rap
lyrics.
> That seems pretty bizarre doesn't it ? But it may be precisely what we
> will have to do if terrorism with biological weapons really gets
> rolling. Imagine the frustration of the would be terrorists as the
> pill popping population treats their attack as a free hit......
> There is absolutely no way to permanently eradicate disease. So work
> around it by having super immune systems to proactively react rather
> than gutting the ability of the public to defend themselves. In case
> you did not notice, that is precisely what the drug companies,
> American Medical Association, and Centers for Disease Control are
> dedicated to doing. The big question is whether the butcher's bill
> will be larger their way or the alternative which I mention above. One
> thing is absolutely certain, all the drug companies with their
> nostrums to treat symptoms rather than helping the immune system do
> its own job would be right out the door.......
> I have never trusted a doctor ever since they had my tonsils removed
> as a child.
Is THAT what they told you? Apparently you didn't get ice cream.
> They were there for a purpose, and the stupid ********
> doctors tore them out. The same goes for problems with appendix too,
> which I still have (appendix, not problems). Surgeons would be
> contemptable buffoons if they were not also allowed to rip out
> people's vital parts. Would you trust a car mechanic who routinely
> recommended an engine replacement when you just took your car in for a
> turn-up ? I thought not, yet people fall for that one too........
With a history of recurring 107+ temperatures, I would
check those tonsils (the real ones), and the appendix, as
something is clearly wrong.
> Big windmills today = "Dimwits gain boldly!" Hah!
> Lonnie Courtney Clay
Any kin to Andrew Dice Clay?
Frank White
LCC...@aol.com says...
<snip>
>I have never trusted a doctor ever since they had my tonsils removed
>as a child. They were there for a purpose, and the stupid ********
>doctors tore them out.
Tonsils are lymph nodes. They frequently swell and become
inflammed due to infection. In such cases - particularly
when the infection becomes recurrant - it is best to remove
them and eliminate the discomfort they cause the body.
You don't really NEED them, after all.
Now, at one point tonsils were routinely removed even when
they weren't infected because doctors assumed they'd get
infected SOMEday. Nowadays, since they do have some use,
and the operation does stress the body, doctors only
snip them off when warrented.
> The same goes for problems with appendix too,
>which I still have (appendix, not problems).
The appendix is a vestigal digestive organ. It doesn't really
have a function in humans any more. And if something gets
stuck in it and it goes acute, you WILL change your mind
about surgeons.
My brother certainly did. He finally went to the hospital
and they removed his just before it burst. He regards
acute appendicitis as the most incredible pain he has ever
experienced; and for him and all the injuries he's had,
that's saying something.
FW
Lonnie Courtney Clay
> Do you go running to the medicine cabinet as soon as you get a sniffle
> or low grade fever ? If so then you are pretty weak. I have a robust
> immune system and have survived "pneumonia" with temperature to 107+
> several times
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What do doctors know about the function of the appendix ? Absolutely
nothing, so rip it out.
What do doctors know about the lymphatic system ? When a serious
infection occurs, the nodes become 'infected' swell up, produce goo,
and the swelling abates when the infection is cured. Conclusion by
doctors : lymph nodes encourage infection, rip them out! Need I point
out that this seems to be confusing cause and effect ? The training of
doctors emphasizes memory rather than logical reasoning. The training
of engineers emphasizes logical reasoning rather than memory. For most
engineering disciplines all the basic rules can be written on a single
page while problem solving techniques fill volumes. For doctors it is
just the opposite - data fills volumes, while problem solving is a
page or two. What the public needs is engineers studing the human body
as a complex interconnected system composed of interlocked subsystems.
Either that or require all doctors to take courses in problem solving
methodology for a few years before they start looking at data.
Diagnosis is NOT problem solving, it is climbing around in a data
tree.
In retrospect the health problems which I have had can be traced to
two root causes :
1) Poor dietary habits, corrected when forced by illness.
2) A pet cat (half wildcat, half manx) with razor sharp dirty claws
who scratched me often while kept as a pet between 1985 and 1993. I
have many scars on my hands to prove how unwise I was by ignoring
proper cleaning. I sufferered a couple of serious bouts of bedridden
ilness for multiple weeks during this time frame. You know what ? Not
ONCE did any ******* doctor ask me if I had a cat and had been
scratched recently. If I had a pet it would be an independent cat not
some slobbery bootlicking dog, but now I know what the downside is.
Engineering joke - what do they know ?
Urban - **** flows downhill and some of them never learn even that.
Civil - sum F = 0 sum M = 0
Mechanical - sum F = mA sum T = I alpha
Electrical - sum I node = 0 sum V loop = 0 V = Z I
Aerospace - drag slows you down, lift moves you up, gravity pulls you
down, more
Well, I could go on, but as a software engineer let me simply say that
we have few rules and we all invent our own different languages, but
idiots like all the rest of you would never be able to get anything
done without us. I generously include mere programmers in our ranks.
As an example I can say A=B and regardless of what it was then A SHALL
become = B. Now THAT is POWER! Not even a MATHEMETICIAN can do that
with impunity! We are the magicians of the millenium and the future is
our oyster.
Laughing as I pay,
Lonnie Courtney Clay
John Z. Doe
Over the years I have been sick a few times. Can't say how many times
as my memory is not that good tho I do a have fairly good record
compared to most. My most serious problem was due to the fact that I
never brushed properly and had several teeth go bad at once. (now that
hurts!)
Most of the time with a common illness such as the common cold and the
flu they just give you med to make you feel better so you forget you
are sick. when you forget you are sick you go out and get back to
work. I usually get over the cold within 24 hours and the flu has
never lasted more the 48 hours. the reason I think is that I would
rather be just a little miserable and `stay in bed' and eat chicken
soup and drink the occational hot toddy (hot tea, honey and a little
scotch). people think I am weird for doing this around her but they
suffer for as much as a week with it and I suffer for 24 to 48 hours.
Alway remebr when you are sick you are sick even if you take meds to
hide you are still sick and need rest so your body can recover.
Unknown
>Alway remember when you are sick you are sick even if you take meds to
>hide you are still sick and need rest so your body can recover.
>
Good advice, John Doe! A lot of rest and a lot of hydration is better
than drugging out symptoms and pushing yourself. And that little bit
of scotch sounds good too!
John Z. Doe
wrote:
Well what I have read on research relating to the old wisetales
regarding chicken soup is that it does't really help but the same
research also says it does not hurt either. Research does show that
there is an effect of the mind on health. Such that if you believe it
will help then it prolly will help. Some of the longest lived people
in the world had a simple stress free life. So I try to keep my life
simple and stress free. Tho that does not always work out like that
but I still keep trying.