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Leroy N. Soetoro
Jun 18, 2013, 7:17:28 PM6/18/13
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/11/gun-play-zero-tolerance-toward-young-
schoolkids-could-backfire-says-expert/
Little boys around the nation keep getting in trouble for guns � whether
they�re made of plastic, formed by fingers or even fashioned from Pop-
Tarts � but some experts say having �zero tolerance� for games children
have played for centuries is turning the adults into bullies and
backfiring on kids.
Elementary educators trying to discourage children from settling pretend
beefs with pretend guns is nothing new. But in the aftermath of the
Connecticut school shooting, and with the grownups increasingly polarized
over the Second Amendment, rules for recess, on the bus and in the
classroom have become stricter than ever.
Some say too strict.
�These zero-tolerance policies are psychotic, in the strict sense of the
word: psychotic means �out of touch with reality,�� Dr. Leonard Sax, a
Pennsylvania psychologist and family physician, and author of �Boys
Adrift,� told FoxNews.com.
In recent months, there have been several examples of children being
disciplined for what was once seen as innocent role play.
A group of students was suspended this month from a Washington state
elementary school for using Nerf dart guns as part of a math lesson,
despite having permission from their teacher.
In March, second-grader Josh Welch was suspended from a Maryland
elementary school after unknowingly biting a Pop-Tart into the shape of a
gun.
"I just kept on biting it and biting it and tore off the top of it, and it
kind of looked like a gun," Welch told a local Fox affiliate.
Last month, also in Maryland, a 5-year-old boy who brought an orange-
tipped cap gun onto his Calvert County school bus was suspended for 10
days, according to his family and a lawyer. The child was grilled for more
than two hours by a school principal and wet himself, according to his
family.
Girls have been swept up in the phenomenon as well. In January, a fifth-
grade student in Philadelphia broke down in tears after being scolded in
front of her classmates for accidentally bringing to school a piece of
paper that was folded into the shape of a gun and given to her by her
grandfather. And a 6-year-old South Carolina girl was expelled after
bringing a toy gun to school.
Sax said he worries about the long-term effect, particularly on boys, of
being told the games they play make them bad.
�Out-of-touch policies such as these, which criminalize behaviors which
have always been common among young kids, are contributing to the growing
proportion of American kids, especially boys, who regard school as a
stupid waste of time and who can�t wait to get out of school so that they
can get back to playing their video games,� Sax said.
Dr. Dan Kindlon, a child psychology professor at Harvard University who
specializes in behavioral problems of children and adolescents, said
school administrators have a strong basis for delivering the anti-gun
message to kids.
�It would seem to be an overreaction to discipline a 6-year-old for
pretending his finger is a gun barrel, but I am sure that the specter of
Sandy Hook, Columbine, et cetera, haunts the dreams of many school
administrators,� said Kindlon.
Sax doesn�t disagree, but said those school administrators should get
their point across in a less heavy-handed way.
�There are more effective ways to encourage good behavior and to
discourage criminal behavior, without disengaging boys from school
altogether,� Sax said.
A Hayward, Calif., elementary school is planning a toy gun exchange for
later this month, modeled after the exchanges law enforcement authorities
hold to collect real guns. Kids who hand in the play weapons will get a
book and a raffle ticket for a bicycle. Strobridge Elementary Principal
Charles Hill said he hopes rounding up the toy guns will stop kids from
growing up to play with real ones.
�Playing with toy guns, saying �I�m going to shoot you,� desensitizes
them, so as they get older, it�s easier for them to use a real gun,� Hill
told the Mercury News.
While the toy gun trade-in may be a more reasonable way to address the
issue than suspending or expelling children, Yih-Chau Chang, spokesman for
Responsible Citizens of California, said kids can handle make-believe
games, even if their educators can't.
"Having a group of children playing cops and robbers or cowboys and
Indians is a normal part of growing up,� Chang said.
--
Barack Obama, reelected by the dumbest voters in the history of the United
States of America.
Eric Holder, racist black murdering United States Attorney General, still
has his job.
Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact to
improper vetting of Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama, a confirmed
felon using SSAN 042-68-4425, belonging to a dead man.
Obama ignored the brutal killing of an American diplomat in Benghazi, then
relieved American military officers who attempted to prevent said murder
in order to cover up his own ineptness.
Obama continues his goal of disarming America while ObamaCare increases
insurance premiums 200% and leaves millions without health care.
Obama helped bankrupt Illinois. Democrat run Chicago closes 54 public
schools.
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schoolkids-could-backfire-says-expert/
Little boys around the nation keep getting in trouble for guns � whether
they�re made of plastic, formed by fingers or even fashioned from Pop-
Tarts � but some experts say having �zero tolerance� for games children
have played for centuries is turning the adults into bullies and
backfiring on kids.
Elementary educators trying to discourage children from settling pretend
beefs with pretend guns is nothing new. But in the aftermath of the
Connecticut school shooting, and with the grownups increasingly polarized
over the Second Amendment, rules for recess, on the bus and in the
classroom have become stricter than ever.
Some say too strict.
�These zero-tolerance policies are psychotic, in the strict sense of the
word: psychotic means �out of touch with reality,�� Dr. Leonard Sax, a
Pennsylvania psychologist and family physician, and author of �Boys
Adrift,� told FoxNews.com.
In recent months, there have been several examples of children being
disciplined for what was once seen as innocent role play.
A group of students was suspended this month from a Washington state
elementary school for using Nerf dart guns as part of a math lesson,
despite having permission from their teacher.
In March, second-grader Josh Welch was suspended from a Maryland
elementary school after unknowingly biting a Pop-Tart into the shape of a
gun.
"I just kept on biting it and biting it and tore off the top of it, and it
kind of looked like a gun," Welch told a local Fox affiliate.
Last month, also in Maryland, a 5-year-old boy who brought an orange-
tipped cap gun onto his Calvert County school bus was suspended for 10
days, according to his family and a lawyer. The child was grilled for more
than two hours by a school principal and wet himself, according to his
family.
Girls have been swept up in the phenomenon as well. In January, a fifth-
grade student in Philadelphia broke down in tears after being scolded in
front of her classmates for accidentally bringing to school a piece of
paper that was folded into the shape of a gun and given to her by her
grandfather. And a 6-year-old South Carolina girl was expelled after
bringing a toy gun to school.
Sax said he worries about the long-term effect, particularly on boys, of
being told the games they play make them bad.
�Out-of-touch policies such as these, which criminalize behaviors which
have always been common among young kids, are contributing to the growing
proportion of American kids, especially boys, who regard school as a
stupid waste of time and who can�t wait to get out of school so that they
can get back to playing their video games,� Sax said.
Dr. Dan Kindlon, a child psychology professor at Harvard University who
specializes in behavioral problems of children and adolescents, said
school administrators have a strong basis for delivering the anti-gun
message to kids.
�It would seem to be an overreaction to discipline a 6-year-old for
pretending his finger is a gun barrel, but I am sure that the specter of
Sandy Hook, Columbine, et cetera, haunts the dreams of many school
administrators,� said Kindlon.
Sax doesn�t disagree, but said those school administrators should get
their point across in a less heavy-handed way.
�There are more effective ways to encourage good behavior and to
discourage criminal behavior, without disengaging boys from school
altogether,� Sax said.
A Hayward, Calif., elementary school is planning a toy gun exchange for
later this month, modeled after the exchanges law enforcement authorities
hold to collect real guns. Kids who hand in the play weapons will get a
book and a raffle ticket for a bicycle. Strobridge Elementary Principal
Charles Hill said he hopes rounding up the toy guns will stop kids from
growing up to play with real ones.
�Playing with toy guns, saying �I�m going to shoot you,� desensitizes
them, so as they get older, it�s easier for them to use a real gun,� Hill
told the Mercury News.
While the toy gun trade-in may be a more reasonable way to address the
issue than suspending or expelling children, Yih-Chau Chang, spokesman for
Responsible Citizens of California, said kids can handle make-believe
games, even if their educators can't.
"Having a group of children playing cops and robbers or cowboys and
Indians is a normal part of growing up,� Chang said.
--
Barack Obama, reelected by the dumbest voters in the history of the United
States of America.
Eric Holder, racist black murdering United States Attorney General, still
has his job.
Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact to
improper vetting of Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama, a confirmed
felon using SSAN 042-68-4425, belonging to a dead man.
Obama ignored the brutal killing of an American diplomat in Benghazi, then
relieved American military officers who attempted to prevent said murder
in order to cover up his own ineptness.
Obama continues his goal of disarming America while ObamaCare increases
insurance premiums 200% and leaves millions without health care.
Obama helped bankrupt Illinois. Democrat run Chicago closes 54 public
schools.
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Johnny Football
Jun 18, 2013, 9:06:31 PM6/18/13
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Obama has my vote on anything that will restrict unneeded firearms in
America, owned by wild-eyed yahoos.
Poster
Jun 19, 2013, 12:34:09 AM6/19/13
to
In article <ru02s89pt2ccopkad...@4ax.com>,
> >„Playing with toy guns, saying ŒI‚m going to shoot you,‚ desensitizes
ones, as well. For example, I actually took (brace yourself - this may
come as a shock to your delicate sensibilities) an honest-to-gosh, 100%
for-real rifle to school semi-regularly when I was a young'un. Had live
ammo in my bookbag for it, too. Usually only 5-10 rounds, but sometimes,
a hundred rounds or more! Many, if not all, of my teachers, and the vast
majority of my peers knew I brought it. When I showed it to him in front
of my locker one day, the principal said it was just like one he had
when he was my age, and when I told him sometimes the trigger sticks, he
said his did the same thing, and went on to tell me where to put a pinch
of graphite to fix it. After the initial "You got your hunter safety
card?", the most concern anyone ever showed was along the lines of
"Going for rabbits or squirrels today?" and "Mind if I tag along?"
Probably at least half of the boys in the school, and around a quarter
of the girls did too, at one point or another. And come deer season, it
was difficult to walk through the high-school parking lot and NOT see a
deer rifle laying on the back deck of a car, or hanging in the rear
window of a student's pickup. On school property! Terrifying, huh?!
Know how many people got shot?
Zero.
That's right Johnnykins - zip, zilch, nada, none.
Y'wanna know something else funny? So far, I haven't felt any need to do
anything that would classify me as a "mass shooter". Well, unless you
count shooting a "mass" of rabbits or squirrels every now and again. I
admit I haven't followed any of them particularly closely, but so far, I
haven't heard about any of the kids I grew up with going serial killer,
either.
So I guess that means there's a flaw in your theory.
But, being the idiot troll you've repeatedly proven yourself to be, I
don't really expect you to do anything other than froth at the mouth the
way you usually do.
Johnny Football <johnny_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:17:28 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>
> >http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/11/gun-play-zero-tolerance-toward-young-
> >schoolkids-could-backfire-says-expert/
> >
> >Little boys around the nation keep getting in trouble for guns ˆ whether
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:17:28 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>
> >http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/11/gun-play-zero-tolerance-toward-young-
> >schoolkids-could-backfire-says-expert/
> >
> >they‚re made of plastic, formed by fingers or even fashioned from Pop-
> >Tarts ˆ but some experts say having „zero tolerance‰ for games children
> >have played for centuries is turning the adults into bullies and
> >backfiring on kids.
> >
> >Elementary educators trying to discourage children from settling pretend
> >beefs with pretend guns is nothing new. But in the aftermath of the
> >Connecticut school shooting, and with the grownups increasingly polarized
> >over the Second Amendment, rules for recess, on the bus and in the
> >classroom have become stricter than ever.
> >
> >Some say too strict.
> >
> >„These zero-tolerance policies are psychotic, in the strict sense of the
> >word: psychotic means Œout of touch with reality,‚‰ Dr. Leonard Sax, a
> >backfiring on kids.
> >
> >Elementary educators trying to discourage children from settling pretend
> >beefs with pretend guns is nothing new. But in the aftermath of the
> >Connecticut school shooting, and with the grownups increasingly polarized
> >over the Second Amendment, rules for recess, on the bus and in the
> >classroom have become stricter than ever.
> >
> >Some say too strict.
> >
> >„These zero-tolerance policies are psychotic, in the strict sense of the
> >them, so as they get older, it‚s easier for them to use a real gun,‰ Hill
> >told the Mercury News.
> >
> >While the toy gun trade-in may be a more reasonable way to address the
> >issue than suspending or expelling children, Yih-Chau Chang, spokesman for
> >Responsible Citizens of California, said kids can handle make-believe
> >games, even if their educators can't.
> >
> >"Having a group of children playing cops and robbers or cowboys and
> >Indians is a normal part of growing up,‰ Chang said.
>
> It is? Maybe that's why so many grow up to be mass shooters.
>
>
> Obama has my vote on anything that will restrict unneeded firearms in
> America, owned by wild-eyed yahoos.
Erm... Some kids can handle not only make-believe guns, but *REAL*
> >told the Mercury News.
> >
> >While the toy gun trade-in may be a more reasonable way to address the
> >issue than suspending or expelling children, Yih-Chau Chang, spokesman for
> >Responsible Citizens of California, said kids can handle make-believe
> >games, even if their educators can't.
> >
> >"Having a group of children playing cops and robbers or cowboys and
> >Indians is a normal part of growing up,‰ Chang said.
>
> It is? Maybe that's why so many grow up to be mass shooters.
>
>
> Obama has my vote on anything that will restrict unneeded firearms in
> America, owned by wild-eyed yahoos.
ones, as well. For example, I actually took (brace yourself - this may
come as a shock to your delicate sensibilities) an honest-to-gosh, 100%
for-real rifle to school semi-regularly when I was a young'un. Had live
ammo in my bookbag for it, too. Usually only 5-10 rounds, but sometimes,
a hundred rounds or more! Many, if not all, of my teachers, and the vast
majority of my peers knew I brought it. When I showed it to him in front
of my locker one day, the principal said it was just like one he had
when he was my age, and when I told him sometimes the trigger sticks, he
said his did the same thing, and went on to tell me where to put a pinch
of graphite to fix it. After the initial "You got your hunter safety
card?", the most concern anyone ever showed was along the lines of
"Going for rabbits or squirrels today?" and "Mind if I tag along?"
Probably at least half of the boys in the school, and around a quarter
of the girls did too, at one point or another. And come deer season, it
was difficult to walk through the high-school parking lot and NOT see a
deer rifle laying on the back deck of a car, or hanging in the rear
window of a student's pickup. On school property! Terrifying, huh?!
Know how many people got shot?
Zero.
That's right Johnnykins - zip, zilch, nada, none.
Y'wanna know something else funny? So far, I haven't felt any need to do
anything that would classify me as a "mass shooter". Well, unless you
count shooting a "mass" of rabbits or squirrels every now and again. I
admit I haven't followed any of them particularly closely, but so far, I
haven't heard about any of the kids I grew up with going serial killer,
either.
So I guess that means there's a flaw in your theory.
But, being the idiot troll you've repeatedly proven yourself to be, I
don't really expect you to do anything other than froth at the mouth the
way you usually do.
Johnny Johnson
Jun 19, 2013, 12:14:40 PM6/19/13
to
In article <spamproof-6CF50...@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
spam...@nowhere.invalid says...
>
> In article <ru02s89pt2ccopkad...@4ax.com>,
> Maynard G Krebs, a/k/a "Johnny Football" <johnny_...@yahoo.com>
>>>''Playing with toy guns, saying 'I'm going to shoot you,' desensitizes
shooters"?
When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC) in
high school, I was _ISSUED_ an M1 Garand Main Battle Rifle (MBR) to be used in
training and marksmanship exercises.
That's right a full-size, full-power .30-06 MBR!
Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
spam...@nowhere.invalid says...
>
> In article <ru02s89pt2ccopkad...@4ax.com>,
> Maynard G Krebs, a/k/a "Johnny Football" <johnny_...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:17:28 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
>> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/11/gun-play-zero-tolerance-toward-young-
schoolkids-could-backfire-says-expert/
>>>
>>> Little boys around the nation keep getting in trouble for guns -- whether
>
>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:17:28 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
>> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/11/gun-play-zero-tolerance-toward-young-
schoolkids-could-backfire-says-expert/
>>>
>>> they're made of plastic, formed by fingers or even fashioned from Pop-
>>>Tarts -- but some experts say having 'zero tolerance'ￜ for games
>>> children have played for centuries is turning the adults into bullies and
>>>backfiring on kids.
>>>
>>> Elementary educators trying to discourage children from settling pretend
>>> beefs with pretend guns is nothing new. But in the aftermath of the
>>> Connecticut school shooting, and with the grownups increasingly polarized
>>> over the Second Amendment, rules for recess, on the bus and in the
>>> classroom have become stricter than ever.
>>>
>>> Some say too strict.
>>>
>>>''These zero-tolerance policies are psychotic, in the strict sense of the
>>> word: psychotic means 'ut of touch with reality,'' Dr. Leonard Sax, a
>>>backfiring on kids.
>>>
>>> Elementary educators trying to discourage children from settling pretend
>>> beefs with pretend guns is nothing new. But in the aftermath of the
>>> Connecticut school shooting, and with the grownups increasingly polarized
>>> over the Second Amendment, rules for recess, on the bus and in the
>>> classroom have become stricter than ever.
>>>
>>> Some say too strict.
>>>
>>>''These zero-tolerance policies are psychotic, in the strict sense of the
>>> them, so as they get older, it's easier for them to use a real gun,'' Hill
>>>told the Mercury News.
>>>
>>> While the toy gun trade-in may be a more reasonable way to address the
>>> issue than suspending or expelling children, Yih-Chau Chang, spokesman
>>> for Responsible Citizens of California, said kids can handle make-believe
>>> games, even if their educators can't.
>>>
>>>"Having a group of children playing cops and robbers or cowboys and
>>> Indians is a normal part of growing up,'' Chang said.
>>
>> It is? Maybe that's why so many grow up to be mass shooters.
>
Tell us, Maynard: what percentage of school-age children have become "mass
>>>told the Mercury News.
>>>
>>> While the toy gun trade-in may be a more reasonable way to address the
>>> issue than suspending or expelling children, Yih-Chau Chang, spokesman
>>> for Responsible Citizens of California, said kids can handle make-believe
>>> games, even if their educators can't.
>>>
>>>"Having a group of children playing cops and robbers or cowboys and
>>> Indians is a normal part of growing up,'' Chang said.
>>
>> It is? Maybe that's why so many grow up to be mass shooters.
>
shooters"?
>
>> Obama has my vote on anything that will restrict unneeded firearms
>> in America, owned by wild-eyed yahoos.
>
> Erm... Some kids can handle not only make-believe guns, but *REAL*
> ones, as well. For example, I actually took (brace yourself - this may
> come as a shock to your delicate sensibilities) an honest-to-gosh, 100%
> for-real rifle to school semi-regularly when I was a young'un. Had live
> ammo in my bookbag for it, too. Usually only 5-10 rounds, but sometimes,
> a hundred rounds or more! Many, if not all, of my teachers, and the vast
> majority of my peers knew I brought it. When I showed it to him in front
> of my locker one day, the principal said it was just like one he had
> when he was my age, and when I told him sometimes the trigger sticks,
> he said his did the same thing, and went on to tell me where to put a
> pinch of graphite to fix it. After the initial "You got your hunter safety
> card?", the most concern anyone ever showed was along the lines of
> "Going for rabbits or squirrels today?" and "Mind if I tag along?"
>
> Probably at least half of the boys in the school, and around a quarter
> of the girls did too, at one point or another. And come deer season, it
> was difficult to walk through the high-school parking lot and NOT see
> a deer rifle laying on the back deck of a car, or hanging in the rear
>
If that doesn't blow Maynard Footfall's mind, this most certainly will:
>> Obama has my vote on anything that will restrict unneeded firearms
>> in America, owned by wild-eyed yahoos.
>
> Erm... Some kids can handle not only make-believe guns, but *REAL*
> ones, as well. For example, I actually took (brace yourself - this may
> come as a shock to your delicate sensibilities) an honest-to-gosh, 100%
> for-real rifle to school semi-regularly when I was a young'un. Had live
> ammo in my bookbag for it, too. Usually only 5-10 rounds, but sometimes,
> a hundred rounds or more! Many, if not all, of my teachers, and the vast
> majority of my peers knew I brought it. When I showed it to him in front
> of my locker one day, the principal said it was just like one he had
> when he was my age, and when I told him sometimes the trigger sticks,
> he said his did the same thing, and went on to tell me where to put a
> pinch of graphite to fix it. After the initial "You got your hunter safety
> card?", the most concern anyone ever showed was along the lines of
> "Going for rabbits or squirrels today?" and "Mind if I tag along?"
>
> Probably at least half of the boys in the school, and around a quarter
> of the girls did too, at one point or another. And come deer season, it
> was difficult to walk through the high-school parking lot and NOT see
> a deer rifle laying on the back deck of a car, or hanging in the rear
>
When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC) in
high school, I was _ISSUED_ an M1 Garand Main Battle Rifle (MBR) to be used in
training and marksmanship exercises.
That's right a full-size, full-power .30-06 MBR!
Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
deep
Jun 19, 2013, 12:57:45 PM6/19/13
to
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:14:40 -0500, Johnny Johnson
<TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
<TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC)
Everybody used to make fun of you ridiculous play soldiers. You
thought you were so cool, but you were nothing but stupid little
freaks playing army. I can see you never did get a life. Now you're
just a bitter old man abusing people on the Internet.
too funny....
Johnny Football
Jun 19, 2013, 8:36:49 PM6/19/13
to
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:34:09 -0700, Poster <spam...@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
I care nothing about your expectations. I do my part and vote for
those in favor of gun control.
wrote:
those in favor of gun control.
Johnny Football
Jun 19, 2013, 8:38:10 PM6/19/13
to
>If that doesn't blow Maynard Footfall's mind, this most certainly will:
>
>When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC) in
>high school, I was _ISSUED_ an M1 Garand Main Battle Rifle (MBR) to be used in
>training and marksmanship exercises.
>
>That's right a full-size, full-power .30-06 MBR!
>
>Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
>
>And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
Been plenty of them elsewhere to make up for it. Maybe your spawn
>
>When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC) in
>high school, I was _ISSUED_ an M1 Garand Main Battle Rifle (MBR) to be used in
>training and marksmanship exercises.
>
>That's right a full-size, full-power .30-06 MBR!
>
>Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
>
>And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
will be in the next one. Tough lesson to learn, sporty.
Johnny Football
Jun 19, 2013, 8:38:57 PM6/19/13
to
pussy inside them. It didn't.
Johnny Johnson
Jun 19, 2013, 9:07:24 PM6/19/13
to
In article <6oj4s8lb6vq5hdds0...@4ax.com>, Maynard G Krebs,
posting under the nym Johnny Foosball <johnny_...@yahoo.com> says...
>>
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>
Abderian laughter from the Village Idiot of Talk.Politics.Guns.
[ Abderian laughter: Foolish laughter at things one does not understand.
[ from Abdera, in Thrace, whose citizens were proverbial as rustic simpletons
[ who would laugh at anything or anyone they didn't understand.
to a commissioned officer position in the Army, Marines, Navy or Air Force.
Now, Tiefe Scheiï¿œe; tell us all again how you served in the Indian Air Force
while "tokin'" with Ravi Shankar and the Beatles....
>>>
>>> ... in high school, I was _ISSUED_ an M1 Garand Main Battle Rifle
>
List all of them since 1980.
And FYI, Maynard; I don't have "spawn" -- or children either.
above, I actually proudly served my country in our military forces.
What did you do during the war?
posting under the nym Johnny Foosball <johnny_...@yahoo.com> says...
>
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:57:45 -0600, Tiefe Scheiï¿œe wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:14:40 -0500, Johnny Johnson
>> <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps
>>> (JROTC)...
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:57:45 -0600, Tiefe Scheiï¿œe wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:14:40 -0500, Johnny Johnson
>> <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps
>>
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>
Abderian laughter from the Village Idiot of Talk.Politics.Guns.
[ Abderian laughter: Foolish laughter at things one does not understand.
[ from Abdera, in Thrace, whose citizens were proverbial as rustic simpletons
[ who would laugh at anything or anyone they didn't understand.
>
>> Everybody used to make fun of you ridiculous play soldiers.
>> You thought you were so cool, but you were nothing but stupid little
>> freaks playing army.
>
JROTC was a preparatory course for entry into the college level ROTC, which led
>> Everybody used to make fun of you ridiculous play soldiers.
>> You thought you were so cool, but you were nothing but stupid little
>> freaks playing army.
>
to a commissioned officer position in the Army, Marines, Navy or Air Force.
Now, Tiefe Scheiï¿œe; tell us all again how you served in the Indian Air Force
while "tokin'" with Ravi Shankar and the Beatles....
>>>
>>> ... in high school, I was _ISSUED_ an M1 Garand Main Battle Rifle
>>> (MBR) to be used in training and marksmanship exercises.
>
>>> That's right a full-size, full-power .30-06 MBR!
>
>>> Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
>
>>> And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
>>
>> Been plenty of them elsewhere to make up for it.
>
>>> That's right a full-size, full-power .30-06 MBR!
>
>>> Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
>
>>> And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
>>
>
List all of them since 1980.
And FYI, Maynard; I don't have "spawn" -- or children either.
>
>> I can see you never did get a life.
>> Now you're just a bitter old man abusing people on the Internet.
>>
Enlighten us as to how one "abuses" a worthless piece of sheiï¿œe like you on the
>> I can see you never did get a life.
>> Now you're just a bitter old man abusing people on the Internet.
>>
Internet.
>
>> too funny....
>
> I guess they thought all the silly soldier behavior covered up the
> pussy inside them. It didn't.
>
Well, Maynard, unlike you and the phony "Indian Air Force Colonel" Deep Shit
>
>> too funny....
>
> I guess they thought all the silly soldier behavior covered up the
> pussy inside them. It didn't.
>
above, I actually proudly served my country in our military forces.
What did you do during the war?
Gunner Asch
Jun 19, 2013, 9:50:18 PM6/19/13
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:36:49 -0700, Johnny Football
Your part of what? Violating the Constitution? Thats mighty
patriotic and American of you there Comrade.
You far leftwing extremist Fringe kooks are not going to last very
long if you keep pushing the issue. The coming Great Cull will have
you in a mass grave somewhere faster than you can say...Oh Dude~
--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)
patriotic and American of you there Comrade.
You far leftwing extremist Fringe kooks are not going to last very
long if you keep pushing the issue. The coming Great Cull will have
you in a mass grave somewhere faster than you can say...Oh Dude~
--
""Almost all liberal behavioral tropes track the impotent rage of small
children. Thus, for example, there is also the popular tactic of
repeating some stupid, meaningless phrase a billion times" Arms for
hostages, arms for hostages, arms for hostages, it's just about sex, just
about sex, just about sex, dumb,dumb, money in politics,money in
politics, Enron, Enron, Enron. Nothing repeated with mind-numbing
frequency in all major news outlets will not be believed by some members
of the populace. It is the permanence of evil; you can't stop it." (Ann
Coulter)
Gunner Asch
Jun 19, 2013, 9:53:01 PM6/19/13
to
before gun control was forced down our throats.
Work on it. Bring up...say...5 of them in the past 210 yrs before 1968
We will all be waiting with interest
Then of course we will respond with the government figures that show
citizens with guns prevent 750,000=1.5 million crimes a year.
But go ahead...make our day.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Jun 19, 2013, 9:55:48 PM6/19/13
to
pesky Purple Hearts. Pussys dont fight off burglars and rapists and
those intent on harming them.
Pussys do however get AIDS and guest of honor at gay bars and such
things. Like you in fact.
Gunner Asch
Jun 19, 2013, 9:57:33 PM6/19/13
to
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:07:24 -0500, Johnny Johnson
<TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>What did you do during the war?
He spent his evenings on his knees in front of a Glory Hole in the
<TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>What did you do during the war?
back of an illegal aliens canteena
RD Sandman
Jun 19, 2013, 10:26:10 PM6/19/13
to
Johnny Football <johnny_...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:9mj4s857qfvijk4n1...@4ax.com:
Have you lost kin to gun violence? I have. I have also lost a couple of
kin to suicide with a firearm. I have had guns in the home for over 60
years......I have carried one for over 50. Never shot anyone who didn't
deserve it. What do you think I should feel about guns?
--
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman
Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!
news:9mj4s857qfvijk4n1...@4ax.com:
kin to suicide with a firearm. I have had guns in the home for over 60
years......I have carried one for over 50. Never shot anyone who didn't
deserve it. What do you think I should feel about guns?
--
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman
Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!
Poster
Jun 19, 2013, 10:47:41 PM6/19/13
to
In article <MPG.2c2b94efd...@news.eternal-september.org>,
OH! MY!! GAWD!!!
Won't SOMEBODY *PUHHHH-LEASE* think of the children!!!!
Oh... wait... we were talking about them, weren't we. Sorry, slipped
into knee-jerk-Johnny mode for a moment there...
Remember that principal I mentioned who gave me the graphite advice? The
rifle that hung in the back window of his truck during deer season was
his combat-experienced Garand. Probably related to him being a Korean
War vet. My grandfather's, brought home from WWII, was also
combat-proven, and that's the gun I took my first buck with. Even though
it was heavy as hell (at least to a kid used to toting a kid-size
bolt-action .22) it was as sweet a deer rifle as you could ask for. I
have undying respect for the M1 Garand, and unless it was so thrashed as
to be unshootable, under no circumstances would I turn it down if
someone were to offer me one, but nowdays for deer-ish sized and larger
game, I'm particularly partial to the Remington 700 BDL chambered in
.30-06 that he left me. Dunno why (maybe it was early experience with
the .22?) but I've always preferred bolt-action rifles over semi-autos.
(I wonder if the fact that I also prefer a stick shift to an automatic
transmission might be somehow related? Hmmm... Maybe I'm a luddite and
never knew it?)
>
> Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
>
> And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
Funny how that works, ain't it? :)
What I wanna know is why, when it wasn't uncommon for the kids and/or
staff in schools to be armed, there was, quite literally, NO SUCH THING
as a school massacre, but now, when nobody - student, staff, or general
public - is allowed to have a gun within 1000 feet of a school (look up
the Federal Gun Free School Zones act, Mr. Football. Then TRY telling me
about how well you think it's working.) we've got Sandy Hook and similar
doings.
Johnny Johnson <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <spamproof-6CF50...@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> spam...@nowhere.invalid says...
> >
> > In article <ru02s89pt2ccopkad...@4ax.com>,
> > Maynard G Krebs, a/k/a "Johnny Football" <johnny_...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:17:28 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
> >> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/11/gun-play-zero-tolerance-toward-young-
> schoolkids-could-backfire-says-expert/
> >>>
> >>> Little boys around the nation keep getting in trouble for guns -- whether
> >>> they're made of plastic, formed by fingers or even fashioned from Pop-
> >>>Tarts -- but some experts say having 'zero tolerance'° for games
> In article <spamproof-6CF50...@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> spam...@nowhere.invalid says...
> >
> > In article <ru02s89pt2ccopkad...@4ax.com>,
> > Maynard G Krebs, a/k/a "Johnny Football" <johnny_...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:17:28 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
> >> <leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/11/gun-play-zero-tolerance-toward-young-
> schoolkids-could-backfire-says-expert/
> >>>
> >>> Little boys around the nation keep getting in trouble for guns -- whether
> >>> they're made of plastic, formed by fingers or even fashioned from Pop-
Won't SOMEBODY *PUHHHH-LEASE* think of the children!!!!
Oh... wait... we were talking about them, weren't we. Sorry, slipped
into knee-jerk-Johnny mode for a moment there...
Remember that principal I mentioned who gave me the graphite advice? The
rifle that hung in the back window of his truck during deer season was
his combat-experienced Garand. Probably related to him being a Korean
War vet. My grandfather's, brought home from WWII, was also
combat-proven, and that's the gun I took my first buck with. Even though
it was heavy as hell (at least to a kid used to toting a kid-size
bolt-action .22) it was as sweet a deer rifle as you could ask for. I
have undying respect for the M1 Garand, and unless it was so thrashed as
to be unshootable, under no circumstances would I turn it down if
someone were to offer me one, but nowdays for deer-ish sized and larger
game, I'm particularly partial to the Remington 700 BDL chambered in
.30-06 that he left me. Dunno why (maybe it was early experience with
the .22?) but I've always preferred bolt-action rifles over semi-autos.
(I wonder if the fact that I also prefer a stick shift to an automatic
transmission might be somehow related? Hmmm... Maybe I'm a luddite and
never knew it?)
>
> Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
>
> And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
What I wanna know is why, when it wasn't uncommon for the kids and/or
staff in schools to be armed, there was, quite literally, NO SUCH THING
as a school massacre, but now, when nobody - student, staff, or general
public - is allowed to have a gun within 1000 feet of a school (look up
the Federal Gun Free School Zones act, Mr. Football. Then TRY telling me
about how well you think it's working.) we've got Sandy Hook and similar
doings.
pyotr filipivich
Jun 20, 2013, 1:39:29 AM6/20/13
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:55:48 -0700
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
all about. But hey, there is a lot they have no clue about, upon
which they pontificate their ignorance without even some one dropping
a hat.
--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:38:57 -0700, Johnny Football
><johnny_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:57:45 -0600, deep wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:14:40 -0500, Johnny Johnson
>>><TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC)
>>>
>>>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>>
>>>Everybody used to make fun of you ridiculous play soldiers. You
>>>thought you were so cool, but you were nothing but stupid little
>>>freaks playing army. I can see you never did get a life. Now you're
>>>just a bitter old man abusing people on the Internet.
>>>
>>>too funny....
>>
>>
>>I guess they thought all the silly soldier behavior covered up the
>>pussy inside them. It didn't.
>
>Pussys dont get Bronze stars and Silver Stars and the CMH and those
>pesky Purple Hearts. Pussys dont fight off burglars and rapists and
>those intent on harming them.
>
>Pussys do however get AIDS and guest of honor at gay bars and such
>things. Like you in fact.
And it is obvious that deep football have no idea what JROTC was
><johnny_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:57:45 -0600, deep wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:14:40 -0500, Johnny Johnson
>>><TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC)
>>>
>>>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>>
>>>Everybody used to make fun of you ridiculous play soldiers. You
>>>thought you were so cool, but you were nothing but stupid little
>>>freaks playing army. I can see you never did get a life. Now you're
>>>just a bitter old man abusing people on the Internet.
>>>
>>>too funny....
>>
>>
>>I guess they thought all the silly soldier behavior covered up the
>>pussy inside them. It didn't.
>
>Pussys dont get Bronze stars and Silver Stars and the CMH and those
>pesky Purple Hearts. Pussys dont fight off burglars and rapists and
>those intent on harming them.
>
>Pussys do however get AIDS and guest of honor at gay bars and such
>things. Like you in fact.
all about. But hey, there is a lot they have no clue about, upon
which they pontificate their ignorance without even some one dropping
a hat.
--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
Johnny Football
Jun 20, 2013, 10:58:00 PM6/20/13
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:53:01 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
when 4 or 5 states woke up and put the screws to guns.
Washington DC, Detroit have claimed countless victims before and after
1968. you can check the gun murder statistics yourself. Even ONE
dead is too much and calls for gun control.
wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:38:10 -0700, Johnny Football
><johnny_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:14:40 -0500, Johnny Johnson
>><TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>If that doesn't blow Maynard Footfall's mind, this most certainly will:
>>>
>>>When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC) in
>>>high school, I was _ISSUED_ an M1 Garand Main Battle Rifle (MBR) to be used in
>>>training and marksmanship exercises.
>>>
>>>That's right a full-size, full-power .30-06 MBR!
>>>
>>>Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
>>>
>>>And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
>>
>>
>>Been plenty of them elsewhere to make up for it. Maybe your spawn
>>will be in the next one. Tough lesson to learn, sporty.
>
>There were? Give us examples of school shootings and mass killings
>before gun control was forced down our throats.
Prove that gun control was forced down your throat until just recently
>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:38:10 -0700, Johnny Football
><johnny_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:14:40 -0500, Johnny Johnson
>><TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>If that doesn't blow Maynard Footfall's mind, this most certainly will:
>>>
>>>When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC) in
>>>high school, I was _ISSUED_ an M1 Garand Main Battle Rifle (MBR) to be used in
>>>training and marksmanship exercises.
>>>
>>>That's right a full-size, full-power .30-06 MBR!
>>>
>>>Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
>>>
>>>And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
>>
>>
>>Been plenty of them elsewhere to make up for it. Maybe your spawn
>>will be in the next one. Tough lesson to learn, sporty.
>
>There were? Give us examples of school shootings and mass killings
>before gun control was forced down our throats.
when 4 or 5 states woke up and put the screws to guns.
>
>Work on it. Bring up...say...5 of them in the past 210 yrs before 1968
Well, we have shot 5 Presidents before 1968. Gun shootings in Miami,
>Work on it. Bring up...say...5 of them in the past 210 yrs before 1968
Washington DC, Detroit have claimed countless victims before and after
1968. you can check the gun murder statistics yourself. Even ONE
dead is too much and calls for gun control.
>
>We will all be waiting with interest
>
>Then of course we will respond with the government figures that show
>citizens with guns prevent 750,000=1.5 million crimes a year.
You watch too much fox new.
>We will all be waiting with interest
>
>Then of course we will respond with the government figures that show
>citizens with guns prevent 750,000=1.5 million crimes a year.
Johnny Football
Jun 20, 2013, 10:59:35 PM6/20/13
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hurt yourself.
Gunner Asch
Jun 22, 2013, 1:29:33 PM6/22/13
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On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:58:00 -0700, Johnny Football
then..we can then address the massive gun control across the nation.
(Sullivan Law/New York City as a hint)
little and calls for a relaxation of gun control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use
Take your pick
which according to you..are simple to procure and widely available.
My side of the issue has plenty of cites and documents, where are
yours? Hummmm?
Tell you what...Ill start first.
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx
Your turn.
<johnny_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:53:01 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:38:10 -0700, Johnny Football
>><johnny_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:14:40 -0500, Johnny Johnson
>>><TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If that doesn't blow Maynard Footfall's mind, this most certainly will:
>>>>
>>>>When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC) in
>>>>high school, I was _ISSUED_ an M1 Garand Main Battle Rifle (MBR) to be used in
>>>>training and marksmanship exercises.
>>>>
>>>>That's right a full-size, full-power .30-06 MBR!
>>>>
>>>>Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
>>>>
>>>>And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
>>>
>>>
>>>Been plenty of them elsewhere to make up for it. Maybe your spawn
>>>will be in the next one. Tough lesson to learn, sporty.
>>
>>There were? Give us examples of school shootings and mass killings
>>before gun control was forced down our throats.
>
>Prove that gun control was forced down your throat until just recently
>when 4 or 5 states woke up and put the screws to guns.
Still waiting for those school shootings cites. After you supply
>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:53:01 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:38:10 -0700, Johnny Football
>><johnny_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:14:40 -0500, Johnny Johnson
>>><TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If that doesn't blow Maynard Footfall's mind, this most certainly will:
>>>>
>>>>When I was in the U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC) in
>>>>high school, I was _ISSUED_ an M1 Garand Main Battle Rifle (MBR) to be used in
>>>>training and marksmanship exercises.
>>>>
>>>>That's right a full-size, full-power .30-06 MBR!
>>>>
>>>>Not one of those wimpy medium-power 5.56mm M16 Assault Rifles of today.
>>>>
>>>>And guess what: no school shootings -- ever!
>>>
>>>
>>>Been plenty of them elsewhere to make up for it. Maybe your spawn
>>>will be in the next one. Tough lesson to learn, sporty.
>>
>>There were? Give us examples of school shootings and mass killings
>>before gun control was forced down our throats.
>
>Prove that gun control was forced down your throat until just recently
>when 4 or 5 states woke up and put the screws to guns.
then..we can then address the massive gun control across the nation.
(Sullivan Law/New York City as a hint)
>>
>>Work on it. Bring up...say...5 of them in the past 210 yrs before 1968
>
>Well, we have shot 5 Presidents before 1968. Gun shootings in Miami,
>Washington DC, Detroit have claimed countless victims before and after
>1968. you can check the gun murder statistics yourself. Even ONE
>dead is too much and calls for gun control.
Still waiting. Even one Dead Criminal shot in the act is too
>>Work on it. Bring up...say...5 of them in the past 210 yrs before 1968
>
>Well, we have shot 5 Presidents before 1968. Gun shootings in Miami,
>Washington DC, Detroit have claimed countless victims before and after
>1968. you can check the gun murder statistics yourself. Even ONE
>dead is too much and calls for gun control.
little and calls for a relaxation of gun control.
>>
>>We will all be waiting with interest
Still waiting.
>>We will all be waiting with interest
>>
>>Then of course we will respond with the government figures that show
>>citizens with guns prevent 750,000=1.5 million crimes a year.
>
>You watch too much fox new.
You obviously don't read government reports
>>Then of course we will respond with the government figures that show
>>citizens with guns prevent 750,000=1.5 million crimes a year.
>
>You watch too much fox new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use
Take your pick
>>
>>But go ahead...make our day.
>>
>>Gunner
Its been 4 days...and We are still waiting for you to supply cites
>>But go ahead...make our day.
>>
>>Gunner
which according to you..are simple to procure and widely available.
My side of the issue has plenty of cites and documents, where are
yours? Hummmm?
Tell you what...Ill start first.
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx
Your turn.
Gunner Asch
Jun 22, 2013, 1:33:27 PM6/22/13
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On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:59:35 -0700, Johnny Football
Tsk tsk tsk....
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx
Its obvious that your mental health issues prevent you from gun
ownership. Or that pesky felony on your record.
Shrug
Gunner
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx
Its obvious that your mental health issues prevent you from gun
ownership. Or that pesky felony on your record.
Shrug
Gunner
Don Bruder
Jun 22, 2013, 10:30:13 PM6/22/13
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In article <ponbs811c0pb9fr9m...@4ax.com>,
Awww, Gunner, ya done went and scared away the lamer! We was having fun
watching it shoot holes in its own foot over and over again!!
--
If the door is baroque don't be Haydn. Come around Bach and jiggle the Handel.
watching it shoot holes in its own foot over and over again!!
--
If the door is baroque don't be Haydn. Come around Bach and jiggle the Handel.
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