Post Apocalyptic Novels ???
Drooling Coyote
recommend? I've been through some of the standards like Lucifer's Hammer and
the Postman, and struggled through a couple of the Out of The Ashes or
whatever that stuff was. The Left Behind series sort of ...uh, left me
behind.
slidesho
better than others. All are like Science Fiction.
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writing to be of the highest quality, which is o.k. for a pair of new
authors. My sister in law, a real sweet lady who happens to be quite the
born again type, gave us the whole series in hardback at Christmas. I guess
because my particular faith doesn't put much stock in rapture I had a hard
time accepting that as the premise. I'll probably read another, but sheesh,
there are like 30 of them and the underlying premise has to be the same. I
like stuff that's predicated on humanity's stupidity, since I can observe
the precursors more easily in the world today. Hell, some days all I have to
do is wake up and look in the mirror and, bingo, there's the problem.
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I do not recall the authors offhand. but you could try "Malevil",
"Earth Abides", just about anything by John Wyndham (Day of the
Triffids, Out of the Deeps), and most of John Brunner. For a twist
there was one good survival story by John Brunner called "The Crucible
of Time". If you are really into post apocalypse then you have to go
back to the 50's and 60's when the greatest fear was mutual assured
destruction....
The focus of such books is the survivor attitude, so I doubt that you
will find anything of technological utility in them.....
Old hat, what's that you say ?
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Tim May
Courtney Clay <LCC...@aol.com> wrote:
> I do not recall the authors offhand. but you could try "Malevil",
> "Earth Abides", just about anything by John Wyndham (Day of the
> Triffids, Out of the Deeps), and most of John Brunner. For a twist
> there was one good survival story by John Brunner called "The Crucible
> of Time". If you are really into post apocalypse then you have to go
> back to the 50's and 60's when the greatest fear was mutual assured
> destruction....
>
> The focus of such books is the survivor attitude, so I doubt that you
> will find anything of technological utility in them.....
The Web is probably a better place to find lists of books and detailed
reviews, as this subject has been discussed zillions of times.
A book I liked back in the mid-60s was Pat Frank's "Alas, Babylon." It
covers a fair amount of survival topics, more so than "The Earth
Abides."
Here's a review I found by searching on it:
http://www.iamapsycho.com/fallout/resourcesb.htm
"Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank. Available from Harper Perennial, 1999.
Alas, Babylon imagines the effects of a nuclear war on a small Florida
community in the early 1960s. Written in the late 50s, when people
were just beginning to realize the depth of the nuclear horror, Frank's
novel set the standard for much of the later "nuke books" and many of
the "nuke movies" of the 1980s. It starts with the US and USSR
fighting some silly war, and once the bombs start flying no one really
knows who started it. The community where most of the action takes
place is largely spared from fire and fallout, although they deal with
these effects in indirect ways. Alas, Babylon's war is a smaller-scale
conflict than other books and movies, and the destruction is less
severe. Most of the governmental chain of command is gone, leaving
people to fend for themselves for a few years while the structures of
power are replaced. Although Alas, Babylon is probably the best
written of the books in this section, and byfar the easiest to read,
the ending comes across as a little "Disney." Frank's novel
excellently portrays the effects of a smaller-scale conflict on a
community rather far from the "action." A made-for-TV movie was
produced of this book in the early 1960s, although not much is known
about it and it seems to be lost. "
Dan Goodman
Algis Budrys, _Some Will Not Die_. Hasn't been in print for a while, I
don't think. If there's a specialty sf bookstore in your area, they
might have it -- along with a fair number of other older stuff.
Gordon R. Dickson, _Wolf and Iron_.
Poul Anderson, _After Doomsday_. It starts with all life on Earth having
been killed off. There's a starship with an all-male crew, and one with
an all-female crew, but neither knows where the other ship is in the
Galaxy.
You might also ask on rec.arts.sf.written.
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Dan Goodman
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> "slidesho" <slid...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<9ql1au$raj$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>...
> > I like the Left Behind Series. How many of them did you read? some are
> > better than others. All are like Science Fiction.
> >
> >
> > "Drooling Coyote" <dco...@cybernaut.com> wrote in message
> > news:3bce...@news.gj.net...
> > > I haven't read any of this stuff in a while. Any good reads you would
> > > recommend? I've been through some of the standards like Lucifer's Hammer
> > and
> > > the Postman, and struggled through a couple of the Out of The Ashes or
> > > whatever that stuff was. The Left Behind series sort of ...uh, left me
> > > behind.
> > >
> > >
>
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> I do not recall the authors offhand. but you could try "Malevil",
> "Earth Abides",
_Storm_.
> just about anything by John Wyndham (Day of the
> Triffids, Out of the Deeps), and most of John Brunner. For a twist
> there was one good survival story by John Brunner called "The Crucible
> of Time". If you are really into post apocalypse then you have to go
> back to the 50's and 60's when the greatest fear was mutual assured
> destruction....
>
> The focus of such books is the survivor attitude, so I doubt that you
> will find anything of technological utility in them.....
>
> Old hat, what's that you say ?
> Lonnie Courtney Clay
>
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phatmike
neuron capacitor caused the following to appear :
not so much survivalism based, but required reading, imo : ayn rand's
_anthem_. a very quick read which deals mostly with the social aspects
of a post apocalyptic society. allegory is a wonderful thing. ;) as it
is past US copyright, you can find it for free on gutenberg.net
-mike
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Down to a asunless sea by David Graham
Patriots by Jame Rawles
Jeff Schwartz
And , of course, there's always http://www.bitstorm.net/schwartz/mabu.html
is you're really, really hard up for something to read.
Verne's "Mysterious Island" is great - a group of people are stranded on an
island with zilch, and end up building up from there. It's available on the
net as a free e-book if you do a little searching.
Alas Babylon's been mentioned. Great book. I especially like it because it's
set near where I live. It's kinda fun to listen to the same radio station
that fictional folks do.
"Malevil" is great, but I don't remember the author. It's set in France,
where a gent has inherited some money and bought the old ruined castle he
and his buddies used to play in when they were kids. He and his friends are
in the wine cellar, bottling wine, when the nukes hit, and they have to
rebuild from there.
"The Steerswoman" and "The Outskirter's Secret" by Rosemary Kirsten are good
post-post-post-apoc books. They read like "fantasy" rather than P-A, until
it slowly dawns on you that the 'wizards' are people who have pre-War tech,
and the Outskirters are organized along Air Force lines, with a lot of their
rituals and slang being fighter or bomber pilot stuff.
"Emergence" by David Palmer is a good bio-war book. Post--Apoc with a bunch
of Sci-Fi overlays.
James Dakin
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How a naval crew survive on an island after a nuke war. I stumbled on it at
the library and just started reading it. Good, but this guy loves to show
of his flowery prose. Its hard to plow through the two page discriptions of
a sunset, but the novel is enjoyable in small doses. Not a classic, just
differant.
Dan Goodman
jschw...@home.net says...
> "The Steerswoman" and "The Outskirter's Secret" by Rosemary Kirsten are good
> post-post-post-apoc books. They read like "fantasy" rather than P-A, until
> it slowly dawns on you that the 'wizards' are people who have pre-War tech,
> and the Outskirters are organized along Air Force lines, with a lot of their
> rituals and slang being fighter or bomber pilot stuff.
I missed the Outskirters being Air Force....
But I think you've missed some clues, also. I'm fairly sure the planet
is not Earth. The Outskirters are terraforming the edges of the area in
which Earth-type plants can grow.
I suspect that in the third book, the Wizards will turn out to have less
knowledge of the past than they think they do.
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Mardi Gras
Farnham's Freehold, by Robert Heinlein
Jeff Schwartz
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> In article <FTyz7.4368$06.2...@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>,
> jschw...@home.net says...
> > "The Steerswoman" and "The Outskirter's Secret" by Rosemary Kirsten are
good
> > post-post-post-apoc books. They read like "fantasy" rather than P-A,
until
> > it slowly dawns on you that the 'wizards' are people who have pre-War
tech,
> > and the Outskirters are organized along Air Force lines, with a lot of
their
> > rituals and slang being fighter or bomber pilot stuff.
>
> I missed the Outskirters being Air Force....
Notice when they're meeting eachother, and talking about "on your three" or
"On your six".
>
> But I think you've missed some clues, also. I'm fairly sure the planet
> is not Earth. The Outskirters are terraforming the edges of the area in
> which Earth-type plants can grow.
>
> I suspect that in the third book, the Wizards will turn out to have less
> knowledge of the past than they think they do.
>
Dunno.... I was fairly sure it was Earth... My logic was that the edges of
the areas where mutant plants, rather than real ones.
(shrug)
Any word on when the third book is coming out?
Lonnie Courtney Clay
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Well, if you can mention "Emergence" then I can mention "A Canticle
For Leibowitz". Just in case somebody is reading this thread and
wondering, then as I said before, a real survivalist is literate. Why
should that be the case ? I am so glad that you did not bother to ask.
A survivalist is literate because by reading a couple thousand books
you can encounter just about any situation. While reading some book,
you have to ask yourself sometimes if you could have done a better job
than the characters involved. That leads to questioning your
assumptions and problem solving techniques, which is always a good
thing. Those who refuse to read anything but their Holy Book of
whatever brand name will never have a chance against the real
survivalists who keep open minds and shift stance with changing
situations. It's sort of like boxing versus judo, the dumb boxer keeps
finding his behind landing on the ground and wondering what he was
doing wrong. So now you know....
I did it my way,
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Dan Goodman
jschw...@home.net says...
Mutated plants which are working to convert terraform the rest of that
continent.
> Any word on when the third book is coming out?
Last I heard, it was something like when her career leaves her time.
I'll check, and see if she has a website.
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Dan Goodman
sha...@macworks.com.INVALID says...
Actually, that deals mostly with the period after civilization has been
restored.
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REstey9690
grade (won't tell you how long ago that was) - now hang out on
MISC.SURVIVALISM. Must have warped
my fragile little mind.
Tim May
<reste...@aol.com> wrote:
A couple of us _did_ mention it, yesterday.
--Tim May
Lonnie Courtney Clay
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If you are going to mention that one, then drag in "On the Beach" by
Neville Shute ? All of my books are packed away, so I have no quick
way of checking authors, so sorry. An entertaining survival yarn,
though not specifically dealing with earth post disaster is
"Earthblood" iirc by Gordon R. Dickson.
Doctor visit today....
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Lonnie Courtney Clay
> "Earthblood" iirc by Gordon R. Dickson.
>
HUA - "Earthblood" by Keith Laumer or am I still wrong ? That's what
comes of posting without enough caffeine in the bloodstream.
Dan Goodman
> > "Earthblood" iirc by Gordon R. Dickson.
> >
> ********************************************
> HUA - "Earthblood" by Keith Laumer or am I still wrong ? That's what
> comes of posting without enough caffeine in the bloodstream.
Laumer and a female co-author, I think.
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JohnP
> I haven't read any of this stuff in a while. Any good reads you would
> recommend? I've been through some of the standards like Lucifer's Hammer
> and the Postman, and struggled through a couple of the Out of The Ashes
> or whatever that stuff was. The Left Behind series sort of ...uh, left
> me behind.
One of my all time favorite fiction reads is called "Vampire Winter". I
enjoy Vampire novels, but they get to be just more of the same after a
while. This one presented an interesting new twist. Vampire needs humans
for blood, humans need vampire to go out and scrounge for food.
Lonnie Courtney Clay
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I am surprised that nobody mentioned "Footfall" in connection with
L.H.
Read Fred Saberhagen - "Thorn" about a "good" vampire. He also wrote
the human vs computers "berserker" series. If you are into h vs c try
the "Colossus" series and the series that has "A for Andromeda" in it,
not to mention "Me", "It", "When Harlie Was One", "The Two Faces of
Tomorrow", and others of that type pre star trek borg. A
human/computer cooperation series starts with "The Revolution From
Rosinante" by Alexis Gilliland.
Best aborted Armageddon novel ? My vote goes to "The Genesis Machine"
by James P. Hogan, in which a scientist hoodwinks the entire world to
take out all nukes.
Convert a computer today,
Send 7 of 9 my way!
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Walter Daniels
wrote:
>"slidesho" <slid...@hotmail.com> wrote ...
>> "Drooling Coyote" <dco...@cybernaut.com> wrote
>> > I haven't read any of this stuff in a while. Any good reads you would
>> > recommend? I've been through some of the standards like Lucifer's Hammer
>> and
>> > the Postman, and struggled through a couple of the Out of The Ashes or
>> > whatever that stuff was. The Left Behind series sort of ...uh, left me
>> > behind.
>*****************************************************************************
>I do not recall the authors offhand. but you could try "Malevil",
>"Earth Abides", just about anything by John Wyndham (Day of the
>Triffids, Out of the Deeps), and most of John Brunner.
>The focus of such books is the survivor attitude, so I doubt that you
>will find anything of technological utility in them.....
Read the "Guardians of the Flame" series by Joel Rosenberg, as well
as his "Hidden Pathways?" Joel is a nice guy, like a Gunner a
"harmelss fuzzball," and specifically non specific. He doesn't give
you blue prints, but a smart person can figure it out. Another is
Harry Turtledove's "Lost Regiment" series. That one is based on a
Civil War (Union) regiment, finding itself on a very nasty planet. It
covers some details of how to recreate 1850-60's technology.
>Old hat, what's that you say ?
>Lonnie Courtney Clay
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