Fire In The Hole!!!
knews4...@yahoo.com
from me just above downtown Santa Barbara.
Intermittent power outages all over town and fire area since 7:00pm
PST.
Forced evacuations 15 blocks from my home in downtown Santa Barbara
ordered now.
4 radio stations have lost their towers.
300 foot flames as homes go up in explosive fire.
"Strike Teams" coming from up to 100 miles away now.
I'm loading important papers, photos, valuables, and research in 2 bug
out cars.
Will be taking down computer as last thing out the door.
High winds making anything possible. It's about 80 degrees out.
70 homes confirmed destroyed. Likely many more. It's dark out.
About 800 acres burned as of 11:45 pm PST.
At least two people sent to "Severe burn unit" in Irvine.
No mention of any containment.
Last big "Paint Fire" in Santa Barbara destroyed 527 homes in about 3
hours due to high winds.
Going back outside to see how fast coming my way.
Going to be a long night.
Northern Raider
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Kirby M. Wilson
just leave the computer and your "research" there
Myal
hope it ends well for ya , stay safe
~^ beancounter ~^
knews4...@yahoo.com
> what are the winds like...right now?
>
the smoke.
Hundreds of planes and choppers dropping water and retardant.
I am now in "Evacuation Warning" area. Which means load up and have
car facing out of driveway.
Pretty much ready to bug out except computer and a bag or two.
The "wildcard" is what winds do come 4-5pm this evening.
"Sundowner" winds can go 50-60 mph down the mountains and send fire
and destruction straight to the beach in minutes.
Fire here in 1990 took 90 minutes to go 4 miles and destroy more than
500 homes.
You can listen to live link coverage here.
www.ktyd.com
~^ beancounter ~^
hope it isn't arson......
> > > Going to be a long night.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
knews4...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> yea...well...good luck w/all that...........be safe....
>
> hope it isn't arson......
2:33 pm PST.
No Official indications or speculations being made yet as to how it
started.
It began at/near a historic home/gardens called the "Tea House," thus
the name Tea Fire.
The canyon right next to it is likely the habitat for more than a few
of the local homeless and it wouldn't be the first local fire started
by a "campfire" or discarded cigarette but the Tea House itself is an
antique and it could have started by an electrical fire.
Officials have yet to say one word about possible sources of the
conflagration but you can be sure it will be investigated.
A friend of mine is well acquainted with the owners of the Tea House
and was with them last night but no mention was made of how it
started.
All we know is when the fire call went out it was only burning about 3
acres but quickly turned into twenty to thirty in minutes because of
the high winds and terrain and is now approaching 4000 acres and over
100 homes and structures destroyed.
Myal
> On Nov 14, 8:43 am, "~^ beancounter ~^" <richboni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> what are the winds like...right now?
>>
> Pretty calm winds so far this morning. Can't see the fire front for
> the smoke.
> Hundreds of planes and choppers dropping water and retardant.
> I am now in "Evacuation Warning" area. Which means load up and have
> car facing out of driveway.
be better to be already headed down the driveway to make sure you get a
spot in front of the traffic jam when evac order comes
knews4...@yahoo.com
> knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Nov 14, 8:43 am, "~^ beancounter ~^" <richboni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> what are the winds like...right now?
>
> > Pretty calm winds so far this morning. Can't see the fire front for
> > the smoke.
> > Hundreds of planes and choppers dropping water and retardant.
> > I am now in "Evacuation Warning" area. Which means load up and have
> > car facing out of driveway.
>
> be better to be already headed down the driveway to make sure you get a
> spot in front of the traffic jam when evac order comes
>
>
Passed the Sylmar fire on the 101 at 8am. and closed 405 freeway
north.
Holy shit!!!!
Now 5 fires all to the east and north and south.
Black skies everywhere. Winds not letting upin L.A basin.
Brings new meaning to "Out of the frying pan and into the fire."
Santa Barbara fire not a threat to my home now so NOW WHAT?
Sheeeeeeeesh.
Hope nobody steals my car(s).
Anyone have a flame suit I can borrow?
Best place to go might be a already burned area with my camping gear
and tools.....help the victims....
Best to have a place to bury valuables it seems....
Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Fire started on the Riviera at approx. 5:45pm PST about 2 miles away
> from me just above downtown Santa Barbara.
> Intermittent power outages all over town and fire area since 7:00pm
> 300 foot flames as homes go up in explosive fire.
> "Strike Teams" coming from up to 100 miles away now.
> I'm loading important papers, photos, valuables, and research in 2 bug
> out cars.
Heck man, why don't you just hook up your trailer to the truck and drive the
whole house away.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27710816/
"police brought trained dogs Sunday morning
to search the rubble of a mobile home park
where some 500 homes were destroyed"
Jackney Sneeb
wrote:
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > Fire started on the Riviera at approx. 5:45pm PST about 2 miles away
> > from me just above downtown Santa Barbara.
> > Intermittent power outages all over town and fire area since 7:00pm
> > Forced evacuations 15 blocks from my home
> > 4 radio stations have lost their towers.
> > 300 foot flames as homes go up in explosive fire.
> > "Strike Teams" coming from up to 100 miles away now.
> > I'm loading important papers, photos, valuables, and research in 2 bug
> > out cars.
>
> Heck man, why don't you just hook up your trailer to the truck and drive the
> whole house away.
He's afraid he might run over your cardboard box!
--Jackney Sneeb
hhc...@yahoo.com
Jackey, I'm sure that all readers of MANY newsgroup with this guy JW
well, for humanitarian reases, plus the fact that his posts for many
years have given us all our daily chuckles.
We all need a good laugh once in a while.
Harry C.
knews4...@yahoo.com
>
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Laugh this off CONman.
Some SMART college students here.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bonfire-montecito19-2008nov19%2C0%2C4914192.story
Bonfire built by students caused Montecito fire, sheriff says
The suspects say they thought the fire had gone out when they left the
ridge-top site Thursday morning. The D.A.'s office will decide if they
will be charged with any crimes.
By Catherine Saillant and Jean Merl
November 19, 2008
Reporting from Los Angeles and Montecito -- A smoldering bonfire built
by students on a ridge-top overlooking Montecito apparently sparked
last week's disastrous Tea fire, Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill
Brown said Tuesday.
Ten men and women, ranging in age from 18 to 22, had gathered at an
abandoned property called the Teahouse late Wednesday night and built
a bonfire to warm themselves, Brown said.
cont.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bonfire-montecito19-2008nov19%2C0%2C4914192.story
Kirby M. Wilson
> Bonfire built by students caused Montecito fire, sheriff says
> The suspects say they thought the fire had gone out when they left the
> abandoned property called the Teahouse late Wednesday night and built
> a bonfire to warm themselves, Brown said.
the point is you're funny when you post wacky conspiracy theories but
not so funny when your trailer burns (unless it involves secret jewish
government agents and aliens)
Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Bonfire built by students caused Montecito fire,
I suspect it has more to do with too much fuel. If you guys would stop
hugging trees long enough to realize that the dead stuff needs to be removed
(dead stuff burns you see). And it needs to be done on a periodic basis.
Monthly might be good.
The intensity and number of fires you guys have pales in comparison
to.........
Ok, you guys have the most horrific fires on the planet.
It's not the fault of some stupid college kids. It's the fault of the
stupid adults who aren't smart enough to remove the fuel source in advance
of the fire.
Archmedes
Bonfire built by students? Sure. How do we know it's not a government
cover-up? How do we know they weren't trying to hide evidence of a
saucer landing? Or the testing of a new horrific weapon? The
possibilities are endless.....
zzbu...@netscape.net
wrote:
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote
The smart people stopped building anything except
Perry Mason reruns anywhere in California, quite some time ago,
so that probably wouldn't have any effect either.
knews4...@yahoo.com
> "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Bonfire built by students caused Montecito fire,
>
> > I suspect it has more to do with too much fuel. If you guys would
> > stop hugging trees long enough to realize that the dead stuff needs to
> > be removed (dead stuff burns you see). And it needs to be done on a
> > periodic basis. Monthly might be good.
>
> > The intensity and number of fires you guys have pales in comparison
> > to.........
>
> > Ok, you guys have the most horrific fires on the planet.
>
> > It's not the fault of some stupid college kids. It's the fault of the
> > stupid adults who aren't smart enough to remove the fuel source in
> > advance of the fire.
>
> Bonfire built by students? Sure. How do we know it's not a government
> cover-up? How do we know they weren't trying to hide evidence of a
> saucer landing? Or the testing of a new horrific weapon?
Because they admitted to their deeds.
>The
> possibilities are endless.....
Not if they already admitted it and there are eye witnesses.
But then again you don't believe that when people say they saw a UFO
either so......
Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Because they admitted to their deeds.
Their "deed" was a camp fire. Not the burning of dozens of homes.
What caused the fire to spread and burn houses and trailers? Did they drag
flaming logs through town? Did they dump hot coals in everyone's foyer?
What got the fire from point A to points B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M,
N, O, P.......?
You are aware of the necessary items for fire? Fuel and oxygen primarily.
Since we can't effectively eliminate oxygen from large pieces of property,
you have to look at eliminating or significantly reducing the fuel source.
How difficult is it to see dead brush and remove it.
Jackney Sneeb
<paulthomascp...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote
P. Maffia
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Bonfire built by students? Sure. How do we know it's not a government
> cover-up? How do we know they weren't trying to hide evidence of a
> saucer landing? Or the testing of a new horrific weapon?
Because they admitted to their deeds.
No they didn't dumbo. The police said they knew who were involved, but no
arrests have been made and they also said none of the kids have yet been
questioned.
>The
> possibilities are endless.....
Not if they already admitted it and there are eye witnesses.
But then again you don't believe that when people say they saw a UFO
either so......
You destroy your own case, as usual.
knews4...@yahoo.com
> The idiot keeps making his stupid statements.<knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Want to bet that the "alleged" already "admitted" that they "had a
bonfire and party?"
knews4...@yahoo.com
> On Nov 19, 12:30 pm, "Paul Thomas, CPA"
>
> <paulthomascp...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > > Because they admitted to their deeds.
>
> > Their "deed" was a camp fire. Not the burning of dozens of homes.
I never said anything different.
>
> > What caused the fire to spread and burn houses and trailers?
Hey idiot.
The 600 trailer, trailer park was in Sylmar.
That fire started Friday night as I said I saw it on my way to Los
Angeles Saturday morning.
> Did they drag
> > flaming logs through town? Did they dump hot coals in everyone's foyer?
> > What got the fire from point A to points B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M,
> > N, O, P.......?
>
> > You are aware of the necessary items for fire? Fuel and oxygen primarily.
> > Since we can't effectively eliminate oxygen from large pieces of property,
> > you have to look at eliminating or significantly reducing the fuel source.
>
> > How difficult is it to see dead brush and remove it.
Acres and acres and acres.....
This fire covered almost 2000 acres.
The Zaca fire last year was in the back country and scorched about
250,000 acres.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaca_Fire
Sorry you are such an idiot.
I have a ton of soot to clean up now for about the tenth time.
After these fires, every time the wind comes up I have to get my
carpets cleaned.
knews4...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > Fire started on the Riviera at approx. 5:45pm PST about 2 miles away
> > from me just above downtown Santa Barbara.
> > Intermittent power outages all over town and fire area since 7:00pm
> > Forced evacuations 15 blocks from my home
> > 4 radio stations have lost their towers.
> > 300 foot flames as homes go up in explosive fire.
> > "Strike Teams" coming from up to 100 miles away now.
> > I'm loading important papers, photos, valuables, and research in 2 bug
> > out cars.
>
> Heck man, why don't you just hook up your trailer to the truck and drive the
> whole house away.
>
I don't live in one, that's why.
There aren't any mobile homes downtown Santa Barbara.
There are a couple of very small parks in town.
The least expensive is about $50,000.
They are pretty much stuck to the ground and not easy to move in a
pinch.
The "Manufactured homes" that burned in Sylmar take about three weeks
to disassemble and move.
See::
http://www.realtor.com/search/searchresults.aspx?pg=9&srcnt=101&sid=0dfeb5c8ffdc40f781936744c3c675e5&loc=Sylmar+CA&mxp=150000&fhpg=1
knews4...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > Bonfire built by students caused Montecito fire,
>
> I suspect it has more to do with too much fuel.
It has to do with CARELESSNESS.
We've had 3 huge fire here in the last 15 months.
All started by stupid people.
>If you guys would stop
> hugging trees long enough to realize that the dead stuff needs to be removed
> (dead stuff burns you see). And it needs to be done on a periodic basis.
N
knews4...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > Bonfire built by students caused Montecito fire,
>
> I suspect it has more to do with too much fuel. If you guys would stop
> hugging trees long enough to realize that the dead stuff needs to be removed
> (dead stuff burns you see).
Nobody is hugging the chaparral.
The only "protected" trees in Santa Barbara county are Oak trees.
>And it needs to be done on a periodic basis.
> Monthly might be good.
>
Why don't you volunteer to help on your weekends?
> The intensity and number of fires you guys have pales in comparison
> to.........
>
> Ok, you guys have the most horrific fires on the planet.
>
> It's not the fault of some stupid college kids.
It was this time.
If they had spent their lives working for a million dollar home maybe
they would have been more careful.
ANYONE who lives here knows to not even throw a cigarette butt out of
the window.
People can't even have a bonfire on the beach because of the fire
danger.
>It's the fault of the
> stupid adults who aren't smart enough to remove the fuel source in advance
> of the fire.
Why don't you come here and tell everyone to strip their lots of all
vegetation?
Maybe you can help Oprah strip her 46 acres?
knews4...@yahoo.com
Except I don't have a trailer and there is no financial motive for
"government conspiracy" to burn homes here.
mimus
It's more likely the fault of the stupid adults' over-"development" of the
area losing the normal cooling and humidification and water-retention of
the normal forest-cover, coupled with regional heat of population
lessening what little rain there might ordinarily be, against a background
of general warming due to overpopulation with its global heat of
population and in particular its global burning of fossil fuels turning
crustal carbon into atmospheric carbon dioxide and heating it coupled with
global deforestation . . . .
But, then again, some people believe that we can have an ever-expanding
global population with an ever-increasing global evolution of heat and
ever-increasing global release of carbon-dioxide coupled with
ever-increasing global deforestation without any problem ever whatsoever.
And call those who believe otherwise "tree-huggers".
--
Overpopulation = energy crisis + nuclear-proliferation crisis
+ CO2- + water-vapor- + thermal-emissions crises
+ global-warming crisis + pollution crisis + acid-rain crisis
+ deforestation crisis + oceanicide crisis
+ species-extinction crisis + emerging-virus crisis
+ labor-value crisis + . . . .
mimus
> On Nov 19, 5:21 am, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>> Bonfire built by students caused Montecito fire,
>>
>> I suspect it has more to do with too much fuel. If you guys would stop
>> hugging trees long enough to realize that the dead stuff needs to be removed
>> (dead stuff burns you see).
>
> Nobody is hugging the chaparral.
> The only "protected" trees in Santa Barbara county are Oak trees.
Trees cool and humidify the air through transpiration, shade and thus cool
the ground, and reduce wind ground-speed . . . .
See where I'm goin' with this?
>> And it needs to be done on a periodic basis.
>> Monthly might be good.
>
> Why don't you volunteer to help on your weekends?
>
>> The intensity and number of fires you guys have pales in comparison
>> to.........
>>
>> Ok, you guys have the most horrific fires on the planet.
>>
>> It's not the fault of some stupid college kids.
>
> It was this time.
> If they had spent their lives working for a million dollar home maybe
> they would have been more careful.
> ANYONE who lives here knows to not even throw a cigarette butt out of
> the window.
> People can't even have a bonfire on the beach because of the fire
> danger.
Yeah, I figured they were in _gross_ violation of the fire-safety laws.
Even in the Ohio River Valley, we have a season where open fires are
banned, and we normally don't have anything like those wind-driven
explosions you guys have.
Even at that, I can't believe they didn't soak the damned fire down before
they left.
>> It's the fault of the stupid adults who aren't smart enough to remove
>> the fuel source in advance of the fire.
>
> Why don't you come here and tell everyone to strip their lots of all
> vegetation?
Didn't some politician already suggest that? radical deforestation as a
solution to forest-fires? it was really way up there on the All-Time List
of Stupid Ecological Statements (somebody needs to explain to him where
our air comes from).
Ranks right up there with suggestions of paving the earth (or coating it
with plastic, like in _Moderan_).
I do think preventative watering of hilltops at night (to give it all
time to soak in and get sucked up before the sun starts frying things
again) might be looked into-- why let all those planes and choppers sit
idle 'til the place explodes?
For that matter, why not run water-lines up there, and top it all with
sprinklers?
Either way, it'd be cheaper than what you're seein' now.
--
I really think, friend, you will be more comfortable,
just now at least, in this quiet cave.
< _Jurgen_
knews4...@yahoo.com
> On Nov 14, 2:46 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Fire started on the Riviera at approx. 5:45pm PST about 2 miles away
> > from me just above downtown Santa Barbara.
> > Intermittent power outages all over town and fire area since 7:00pm
> > Forced evacuations 15 blocks from my home in downtown Santa Barbara
> > ordered now.
> > 300 foot flames as homes go up in explosive fire.
> > "Strike Teams" coming from up to 100 miles away now.
> > I'm loading important papers, photos, valuables, and research in 2 bug
> > out cars.
> > High winds making anything possible. It's about 80 degrees out.
> > 70 homes confirmed destroyed. Likely many more. It's dark out.
> > About 800 acres burned as of 11:45 pm PST.
> > At least two people sent to "Severe burn unit" in Irvine.
> > No mention of any containment.
> > Last big "Paint Fire" in Santa Barbara destroyed 527 homes in about 3
> > hours due to high winds.
> > Going back outside to see how fast coming my way.
> > Going to be a long night.
>
Why, so I can't tell the rest of the planet what a stupid fuck you
are?
Who pays you to be such a dork fuck?
Are you just doing it "for fun?"
Why are you stalking me?
Something I say you don't want people to know about?
Archmedes
>>>> Bonfire built by students caused Montecito fire,
>>> I suspect it has more to do with too much fuel. If you guys would
>>> stop
>>> hugging trees long enough to realize that the dead stuff needs to be
>>> removed
>>> (dead stuff burns you see).
>>>
>>> And it needs to be done on a periodic basis.
>>> Monthly might be good.
>>>
>>> It's the fault of the stupid adults who aren't smart enough to
>>> remove
>>> the fuel source in advance of the fire.
>> Why don't you come here and tell everyone to strip their lots of all
>> vegetation?
> Didn't some politician already suggest that?
Actually, it's already being done in some places. Unfortunately, it
sometimes takes a disaster close to home for people to "get" it: "The
City Council's move to establish, maintain and enforce a plan to prevent
another inferno in the hills is one of the more insightful decisions by
the city's elected officials in recent years."
Lessons learned from '91 fire disaster
Chip Johnson
Friday, June 13, 2008
At this time of year, in this dry, warm weather, the men and women of
the Oakland Fire Department have their game faces on.
In the city's hills - the site 17 years ago of what then was the
nation's costliest urban fire - there is no such thing as a small brush
fire. Every blaze has the potential to create massive devastation, and
nobody is more aware of it than Oakland's firefighters.
"We don't ever want to happen what happened in '91 and it showed today,"
Battalion Chief Lorenzo Frediani said Thursday afternoon as he returned
from the scene of a 2-acre grass and brush fire, near the epicenter of
the 1991 blaze, that took crews about 90 minutes to contain.
Thursday's fire burned through a part of the Hiller Highlands
neighborhood, near the Caldecott Tunnel, that was one of the areas
leveled in the 1991 disaster.
"This showed we were looking ahead and we were prepared," Frediani said.
"I'm proud of the work my crews did today."
The 45 firefighters not only battled the blaze with skill and speed, but
they had a leg up thanks to a fire assessment district established in
Oakland in 2004 to make sure that fuel for fires is kept to a minimum,
he said.
"We had a defendable space between homes and fire and that makes a big
difference because our crews were able to meet the head of the fire," he
said.
Without the gap created by the removal of vegetation to create fire
breaks - and by wary hill dwellers who remove brush near their homes -
suppressing a fire racing uphill is dangerous, difficult and sometimes
impossible to stop.
"Fighting a building fire and a natural wildfire is the difference
between writing a newspaper article and writing a novel," Frediani said.
He has a personal as well as professional interest in keeping the
community safe. His home sits on the lot of one of the more than 3,000
homes that were lost in the 1991 blaze, which killed 25 people.
On Wednesday afternoon he drove through hillside communities, checking
fire trails, looking for trouble spots and reviewing operational methods
with firefighters at some of the eight stations under his command.
Oakland fire officials are all too familiar with the hot, dry and breezy
weather conditions that can spark a catastrophic blaze, and the scenario
was all set up for Thursday's brush fire.
"We were on edge - waiting and ready," he said. "The weather and the low
winds helped us out today and worked in our favor. But everything helped
us today, from vegetation management to educating our crews to wildland
fire training to residents who keep weeds away from their homes."
Well-drilled fire crews rapidly deployed equipment and moved into place,
flanking the fire to protect homes and keep it away from other fuel
sources until help arrived, Frediani said.
When voters in Oakland's hillside neighborhoods from the Berkeley border
south to San Leandro adopted the $65-per-parcel tax four years ago, at
least one of them complained that the East Bay Regional Park District,
which owns 550 acres and is the largest single landowner in the Oakland
hills, had been exempted from paying the tax.
But the park district agreed to provide workers to help with the
vegetation management work. The new tax provides about $2 million a year
to keep grass and brush whacked down enough to deter another deadly
blaze.
Since the assessment began, the city and the park district have worked
with the Conservation Corps, the California Department of Forestry and
other groups to remove plant growth, eucalyptus trees - anything
identified as an accelerant in a wildfire.
Assistant Fire Marshall Leroy Griffin, who heads the Fire Department's
vegetation management program, said annual inspections show that 94
percent of property owners in the city's hills have complied with rules
requiring a buffer zone around residences.
The owners of more than 22,000 of the 25,000 private dwellings in the
assessment district have cleared fire breaks around their homes, he
added.
City workers, in conjunction with neighborhood volunteers and area
schools, have cleared plants from 82 miles of roadside, and grazing
goats have eaten through about 682 acres, Griffin said.
"The fire today moved slowly because we've been clearing brush in that
area," he said. "That same fire 10 years ago would have moved right up
that hill and we never would have been able to get in front of it. In an
urban setting, there is a short lead time."
In Oakland, he said, a big fire means hundreds of homes are gone.
The swift actions of firefighters Thursday had much to do with the
outcome of the area's first brush fire of the season, but it also
illustrated the effectiveness of the voter-approved plan to limit the
damage that a wildfire can do.
While I have criticized Oakland's city government for failing to approve
effective policies, the City Council's move to establish, maintain and
enforce a plan to prevent another inferno in the hills is one of the
more insightful decisions by the city's elected officials in recent
years.
Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Heck man, why don't you just hook up your trailer to
>> the truck and drive the whole house away.
>
>
> I don't live in one,
Of course, why would you claim to do so.
> There aren't any mobile homes downtown Santa Barbara.
Project housing then?
That seems to fit the bill.
Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Acres and acres and acres.....
> This fire covered almost 2000 acres.
> The Zaca fire last year was in the back
> country and scorched about 250,000 acres.
Nobody gives a shit about land. Why are folks required to keep tinder next
to their houses? What prohibits them from clearing their land of potential
fire fuel (dead brush and stuff). Why should ANY house burn.
The emphasis should be on the protection of people and structures.
To do that you clear out the underbrush and other flammable material from
whatever distance necessary to keep the fire from reaching the buildings.
Myal
yer dealing with a city dweller who knows nothing but concrete jungle
and welfare living.... you wont get any sense out of it
Archmedes
news:wnqVk.59$Et1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
The City of Santa Barbara...right?
Myal
and stupid parents who didnt teach their stupid kids about how to put
out their fires to begin with .... sheesh ...
>
>
>
>
Myal
so , just cos the kids who lit the fire that begun it all actually lit
the fire that begun it , they are not responsible for what their actions
caused ?
thats like cos the guy wh shot arch duke ferdinand shot him , he
actually only pulled a trigger , .....
Curly Surmudgeon
Learn a bit about arid climates before blaming fools.
Regular brush fires are a fact of nature not only in California but in
regions around the world with this climate. Of course idiots start fires
but that doesn't mean that fires are unnatural to the region.
Plenty begin in inhospitable locations which cannot be attributed to
humans, dry lightning, flint rock falls, and other causes begin fires
which we have no control over. These are often the largest too for their
remote locations prevent firefighting personnel and equipment from
reaching the infernos.
Texas through the Great Lakes has tornados. The Gulf and East coast has
hurricanes. We have conflagrations and earthquakes. You can't blame the
existance of natural phenoma upon any individual.
Not even George Walker Bush. If someone fucks up continuously,
repeatedly, in dumb ways, then you might blame their response to natural
disasters but not even the Bush familiy can be blamed for forest fires.
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> Not even George Walker Bush. If someone fucks up continuously,
> repeatedly, in dumb ways, then you might blame their response to natural
> disasters but not even the Bush familiy can be blamed for forest fires.
Damn...
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Paul Thomas, CPA
"Myal" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote
> so , just cos the kids who lit the fire that begun it all actually lit the
> fire that begun it , they are not responsible for what their actions
> caused ?
What's the penalty for leaving a fire unattended? A couple of hundred bucks
fine? Revocation of their matches privleges?
> thats like cos the guy wh shot arch duke ferdinand shot him , he actually
> only pulled a trigger , .....
Nope. In the case you present there was "aim" - or intent. These kids
didn't have intent.
It's like an unsafe discharge of a fire arm. It results in a fine. That a
stray bullet wandered for a mile and struck someone dead doesn't kick it up
to murder.
These aren't arsonists. These are kids that left a fire unattended.
But what fault should the tree huggers accept for not allowing the clearing
of the fire fuel? They carry even more fault because they loaded the gun by
leaving fuel instead of clearing it away from buildings.
We're not talking about leaving stuff down in the middle of 600,000 acres of
wilderness. We're talking about leaving stuff close enough to homes that
the fire (and you know there'll be another) can get to the house easily.
How long does California have to burn before someone realizes what part they
can control and then go out and control it.
Can you guess why there's not a wildfire on the beach?
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Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia
Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Why don't you come here and tell everyone
> to strip their lots of all vegetation?
Green living plants don't burn very easily.
Ya ever try to light up green grass? (no - not that kind) Green grass
doesn't burn.
Ya ever try to light up a living tree? It's doesn't burn.
We have lightning strike trees all the time around here and the state
doesn't burn. Heck, sometimes the tree doesn't burn - although it dies
maybe in a year or two. There's a tree out back of my house with a scar
from a lightning strike last spring that's still standing.
Green tree - lightening strike - no fire.
Green grass - toss a cigarette on it - no fire. Heck. You could start a
campfire on it. It'll kill the grass at that spot for sure. But it won't
spread anywhere, not to the house, and not to downtown. Worst case is that
some worm gets cooked out of their home.
But - it's your state and your life. If you want to live with a "fire
season" so be it. You could do something about it that makes a difference.
knews4...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> "Myal" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote
>
> > so , just cos the kids who lit the fire that begun it all actually lit the
> > fire that begun it , they are not responsible for what their actions
> > caused ?
>
> What's the penalty for leaving a fire unattended?
The fine is the cost of the damages caused for NEGLIGENCE.
ANYONE within 100 MILES of Santa Barbara KNOWS there is HIGH FIRE
DANGER literally YEAR ROUND since we've been under drought conditions.
HIGH FIRE DANGER is posted on MANY ROADS in the hills all over town.
>A couple of hundred bucks
> fine? Revocation of their matches privleges?
>
How did you get so stupid?
How can you possibly blame "overgrown brush?"
Why are you defending their stupidity?
> > thats like cos the guy wh shot arch duke ferdinand shot him , he actually
> > only pulled a trigger , .....
>
> Nope. In the case you present there was "aim" - or intent. These kids
> didn't have intent.
>
It doesn't matter.
If they were breaking the law having the fire in the first place and
even if a legal fire and were NEGLIGENT in MAKING SURE IT WAS NOT
COMPLETELY OUT the THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE.
It's like saying, "I didn't INTEND to kill the old lady in the
crosswalk when I went through the intersection."
No intent doesn't remove responsibility even if there ISN'T A STOP
SIGN.
Fool.
> It's like an unsafe discharge of a fire arm. It results in a fine. That a
> stray bullet wandered for a mile and struck someone dead doesn't kick it up
> to murder.
>
No one said it did Mr. Red Herring.
It's still negligence for which THEY CAN BE TRIED IN CIVIL COURT FOR
DAMAGES.
And it still could be criminal negligence.
The DA is going to decide in this case.
FACT is they aren't in a hurry because the STUDENTS were LIKELY from
Westmont which is a HIGH PROFILE CHRISTIAN COLLEGE with a long history
in Santa Barbara that doesn't need the bad press.
If the kids weren't from Westmont they would already be prosecuting.
Bet me.
> These aren't arsonists. These are kids that left a fire unattended.
>
Nobody said they were.
That would be a bigger crime.
Gross Negligence can be a crime too.
These were COLLEGE STUDENTS, NOT GRADE SCHOOLERS.
And WHO gets past FIRST GRADE without hearing about Smokey the Bear?
> But what fault should the tree huggers accept for not allowing the clearing
> of the fire fuel?
There were plenty of homes with "cleared brush" that burned from
spontaneous combustion and golf ball sized embers blown hundreds of
feet landing on their roofs.
The Fire Department regularly patrols and gives warnings and fines to
property owners for overgrown properties.
>?They carry even more fault because they loaded the gun by
> leaving fuel instead of clearing it away from buildings.
>
Many homes don't have much more than Jade plants and Rose bushes near
their homes.
http://www.realtor.com/search/searchresults.aspx?loc=93105&mxp=2000000
> We're not talking about leaving stuff down in the middle of 600,000 acres of
> wilderness. We're talking about leaving stuff close enough to homes that
> the fire (and you know there'll be another) can get to the house easily.
>
You have never been here and have NO IDEA what the Fire Department
does when not fighting fires.
> How long does California have to burn before someone realizes what part they
> can control and then go out and control it.
>
I would build under ground myself but they don't allow it to my
knowledge.
> Can you guess why there's not a wildfire on the beach?
>
They can start right next to it in the wild grasses and trees within a
few hundred feet.
>
> Paul A. Thomas, CPA
> Athens, Georgia
Stick to helping the government steal people' money with the fraud tax
system.
You don't know shit about Santa Barbara fire protection.
The problem IS that God made the most beautiful place in the country a
high fire danger area.
Everything has trade offs.
But if not for stupidity and negligence the last three fires we had in
here in SB in 15 months WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.
PERIOD.
Myal
> "Myal" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote
>> so , just cos the kids who lit the fire that begun it all actually lit the
>> fire that begun it , they are not responsible for what their actions
>> caused ?
>
>
>
>
> What's the penalty for leaving a fire unattended? A couple of hundred bucks
> fine? Revocation of their matches privleges?
>
>
their actions caused the wildfire ... they are responsible for it
>
>
>
>> thats like cos the guy wh shot arch duke ferdinand shot him , he actually
>> only pulled a trigger , .....
>
>
> Nope. In the case you present there was "aim" - or intent. These kids
> didn't have intent.
>
they lit a fire , and that caused something far bigger
>
> It's like an unsafe discharge of a fire arm. It results in a fine. That a
> stray bullet wandered for a mile and struck someone dead doesn't kick it up
> to murder.
>
>
>
> These aren't arsonists. These are kids that left a fire unattended.
>
>
>
Is causing a wildfire thru negligence OK and legal in the US ? cool
>
> But what fault should the tree huggers accept for not allowing the clearing
> of the fire fuel? They carry even more fault because they loaded the gun by
> leaving fuel instead of clearing it away from buildings.
>
you seem to think it is the right of people to leave bonfires unattended
, but the duty of some un-named someone or someones to make the world
safe for them to leave their bonfires unattended ....
interesting view of accountability you got
> We're not talking about leaving stuff down in the middle of 600,000 acres of
> wilderness. We're talking about leaving stuff close enough to homes that
> the fire (and you know there'll be another) can get to the house easily.
>
> How long does California have to burn before someone realizes what part they
> can control and then go out and control it.
>
> Can you guess why there's not a wildfire on the beach?
>
>
is it legal to light bonfires and leave them unattended on California
beaches ? I heard you had to get a permit to light a fire in ya back
yard even there ....
>
>
knews4...@yahoo.com
Silence noted.
What's the matter there Mouthia?
You reread the article or something and have to run scared?
Funny you assholes are ready to detract and call names but never post
a thing true or otherwise and put your money where your mouth is.
But you school yard bullies think brow beating trumps truth.
knews4...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > Why don't you come here and tell everyone
> > to strip their lots of all vegetation?
>
> Green living plants don't burn very easily.
>
So you want it both ways now? First you say don't have anything now
it's ok if it's green? You think people have nothing but dried out
brown plants around their million dollar homes?
They all burn when it's been hot, dry, windy, and there's a house
burning next door that lobs golf ball size embers to the winds.
> Ya ever try to light up green grass? (no - not that kind) Green grass
> doesn't burn.
>
As a matter of fact I've started 'fenceline" fires in green grass.
Once it starts it dries out the rest post hast. It's easier than a
weed wacker.
Fire dries out everything near it in seconds dipshit. Why do you think
they call it a "Fire Storm?"
Why don't you stand next to a fire in 60 mph winds in your "green
grass" skirt and see how long it takes to combust?
> Ya ever try to light up a living tree? It's doesn't burn.
>
If you hold a fire to a lower branch of leaves long enough it will
start to burn. It will then dry out more of the leaves and branches
and burn the rest.
My across the street neighbor started his 'green" maple tree on fire
by having his BBQ grill under a low branch once. If it wasn't for his
next door neighbor's fast thinking with a garden hose the house would
have gone up for sure. THIS WAS IN Illinois.
Any chance you've ever actually seen a fire in high winds?
I didn't think so.
Why are you acting like such a fool?...er not acting..being.
> We have lightning strike trees all the time around here and the state
> doesn't burn.
Lightning lasts what...3 seconds?
In 85 degree weather under drought conditions with 50 mph winds you
could easily have fire.
Why the fuck are you comparing apples to oranges?
>Heck, sometimes the tree doesn't burn - although it dies
> maybe in a year or two. There's a tree out back of my house with a scar
> from a lightning strike last spring that's still standing.
>
> Green tree - lightening strike - no fire.
>
So you are going to use ONE example to prove the world shouldn't
burn.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22lightning+strike+fires%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
Lightning starts many many fires in proper conditions.
Most of California is called a "Step Desert."
Santa Barbara has less average rainfall than the Sahara Desert.
Everything that grows here that isn't "Native Grasses" was imported
over the last 400 years since the Spanish showed up.
Do you have a point here...I mean besides the one on your head?
> Green grass - toss a cigarette on it - no fire. Heck. You could start a
> campfire on it. It'll kill the grass at that spot for sure. But it won't
> spread anywhere, not to the house, and not to downtown. Worst case is that
> some worm gets cooked out of their home.
>
The Tea Fire proves you full of shit. All you need is wind...like the
hot wind of which you are full.
A bonfire, "put out" for all intents and purposes, for TWELVE hours,
smoldered, reignited, spread by high winds to the FOR SURE dry grass
surrounding the "spot," spread to three acres before a fire truck
could even get there and to 30 acres withing 1 hour due to high winds
and plenty of fuel.
> But - it's your state and your life. If you want to live with a "fire
> season" so be it. You could do something about it that makes a difference.
I can't tell people what to grow on their property. That's the
county's job.
I am doing free EFT sessions for fire victims. I'm an EFT Specialist
Practitioner.
www.emofree.com
I can help them greatly with the emotional trauma of their loss. My
abode is only overgrown with vines. I have fire extinguishing
equipment close at hand. My home is not very close to any others and
it is stucco.
Today there were hundreds of local volunteers shoveling, sandbagging,
and creating drainage in the fire zone for the rains that are forecast
for the next few days. The next nightmare could be mud slides in the
now denuded areas which could take out even more homes and the
mountain roads as well.
You think you could find a place to put 200,000 people that is as nice
a Santa Barbara?
It is quite a dichotomy that one of the most beautiful places on the
planet can be one of the most treacherous with fires, earthquakes and
floods. But that is the "price of paradise" as we say.
Tonight I sat outside at a BBQ at a friend's in overcast lower 60
degree weather wearing only a tee shirt and fleece pullover, jeans,
and stocking feet. Others were wearing shorts, sandals, and a jacket.
We had Calamari, Yellow Tail tuna from Mexico, Tri Tip, and fresh
Lobster Thermador. You think you can do that anyplace else where you
can go lobster diving, camping on the islands, hiking in the
mountains, and get a suntan in winter, tell the rest of the world
about it so they go there instead of here. I'd just assume we had a
fire or earthquake every year so more people are afraid to move here.
I'm prepared for most disasters unless my building collapses on me.
I have a fire extinguisher, O2 tank, and 5 gallons of water within
reach of my bed. I could last a few days with that until they dig me
out.
Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
> How can you possibly blame "overgrown brush?"
How can you blame some kids (and maybe it wasn't them at all) for just
wanting to have some fun?
>> These kids didn't have intent.
>
> It doesn't matter.
But intent always matters.
Myal
> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:55:25 +0000, Myal wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
>>>> <knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>> Bonfire built by students caused Montecito fire,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I suspect it has more to do with too much fuel. If you guys would
>>>> stop hugging trees long enough to realize that the dead stuff needs
>>>> to be removed (dead stuff burns you see). And it needs to be done
>>>> on a periodic basis. Monthly might be good.
>>>>
>>>> The intensity and number of fires you guys have pales in comparison
>>>> to.........
>>>>
>>>> Ok, you guys have the most horrific fires on the planet.
>>>>
>>>> It's not the fault of some stupid college kids. It's the fault of
>>>> the stupid adults who aren't smart enough to remove the fuel source
>>>> in advance of the fire.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> and stupid parents who didnt teach their stupid kids about how to put
>>> out their fires to begin with .... sheesh ...
>>
>> Learn a bit about arid climates before blaming fools.
>>
I lived in one for more than 30 years and dealt with a few bushfires in
that time
>> Regular brush fires are a fact of nature not only in California but in
>> regions around the world with this climate. Of course idiots start fires
>> but that doesn't mean that fires are unnatural to the region.
>>
this fire was begiun by kids with unsafe fire practices tho
>> Plenty begin in inhospitable locations which cannot be attributed to
>> humans, dry lightning, flint rock falls, and other causes begin fires
>> which we have no control over. These are often the largest too for their
>> remote locations prevent firefighting personnel and equipment from
>> reaching the infernos.
this fire was begiun by kids with unsafe fire practices tho
>>
>> Texas through the Great Lakes has tornados. The Gulf and East coast has
>> hurricanes. We have conflagrations and earthquakes. You can't blame the
>> existance of natural phenoma upon any individual.
>>
not a lot to do with the fire the kids lit but interesting ......
>> Not even George Walker Bush. If someone fucks up continuously,
>> repeatedly, in dumb ways, then you might blame their response to natural
>> disasters but not even the Bush familiy can be blamed for forest fires.
>>
??????
mimus
True, but things are a little broader than that, in that every adult is
presumed to intend the natural consequences of his actions . . . :
Eg, "I shot him in the head but I didn't mean to kill him" generally isn't
gonna and shouldn't fly in morality and law.
Although the jury's still out on the case in question, so to speak.
--
Tax increases result in reduced revenues,
and reduced tax rates result in increased revenues.
< Reagan
Paul Thomas, CPA
"Myal" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote
> their actions caused the wildfire .
And others inaction also contributed to the abundance of fuel for the fire.
> they are responsible for it
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the cow jumped over the moon.
> they lit a fire
Yup.
> and that caused something far bigger
Not on it's own.
> I heard you had to get a permit to
> light a fire in ya back yard even there ....
Yup. You need a permit for fires in the front yard too. At least in this
county.
Paul Thomas, CPA
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote
> First you say don't have anything now
> it's ok if it's green?
You have misread what I wrote.
> You think people have nothing but dried out
> brown plants around their million dollar homes?
Pretty much.
Fly over your town and fly over mine. Tell me which on is greener.
> They all burn when it's been hot, dry, windy, and there's a house
> burning next door that lobs golf ball size embers to the winds.
Those kids didn't start a house fire.
And why oh why do you build houses that burn in a location that has annual
fires? Wouldn't you build a house that floated in locations that had annual
floods? Don't you build houses with roofs that carry heavier loads in
places that have heavy snowfall?
You guys figgured out how to build buildings that don't fall down in
earthquakes. Why don't you (quickly) figgure out how to build houses that
don't burn up.
> You think you could find a place to put
> 200,000 people that is as nice Santa Barbara?
North Carolina.
Myal
> "Myal" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote
>> their actions caused the wildfire .
>
>
> And others inaction also contributed to the abundance of fuel for the fire.
>
>
the kids still started it , blame anyone you want , it still began with
the idiot kids
>
>
>
>
>> they are responsible for it
>
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the cow jumped over the moon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> they lit a fire
>
>
> Yup.
>
>
>
>> and that caused something far bigger
>
>
>
> Not on it's own.
>
they lit it and idnt put it out , they are responsibe for it , blame as
many others as you feel the need to , the kids caused it
>
>
>
>
>> I heard you had to get a permit to
>> light a fire in ya back yard even there ....
>
>
>
> Yup. You need a permit for fires in the front yard too. At least in this
> county.
>
>
no wonder people got no fire sense .... or teach their kids how to put
out a bonfire after they lit it
so much for land of the free hey ? got a permit for that ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Libby Loo
"Myal" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:4zKWk.816$Et1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Bah, at least you don't need a busking permit in the land of the free :)
Now really, do you really think one should be free to start a fire in an
area that is essentially a tinderbox? The permits are no different than the
ones required in your own country during the dry season.
http://macarthur-chronicle-campbelltown.whereilive.com.au/news/story/permits-needed-as-fire-season-officially-begins/
Permits needed as fire season officially begins
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/17/2394608.htm
Fire service declares permit period
http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/dsp_content.cfm?cat_id=1114
Fire Permits and Bush Fire Danger Period
http://www.glenforrestfirebrigade.org/permits.php
Restricted Burning Dates (Permits Issued)
http://www.lga.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?c=11572
CFS Fire Permit Policy
Myal
it is well known that australia is barely more than a police state /
penal colony type joint , hell its only since 1966 me and mine are
allowed to leave the reserves and travel without a permit
no-one here claims to be in a land of the free or home of the brave :P
OTOH , Im allowed to light a fire in my yard anytime :P the law does
consent to allow me to cook my rooo on a fire here still without a
permit , something that I enjoy doing , when it is safe to do so , I
donot expect as some posters seem to , that the govt or some kind f big
brother agency will remove all fire hazzards to allow me to leave a
bonfire unattended and not be a risk to anyones property or lives by
spreading into a wildfire
rights bring responsibilities ... soething that kinda seems to elude a
few at times
Libby Loo
"Myal" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:FZ4Xk.1064$Et1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Yeah, no problems with lighting a fire in my yard either, and we don't have
a dangerous season where I am. The wind can make it somewhat dangerous I
suppose, but most construction around here is pretty much fireproof. against
any fire I could make in my yard. Our city was burned down by a cow, many
years ago, you may have heard that story.
I have a metal fireplace similar to this one
http://www.backyardcity.com/outdoor-fireplaces/Bon-Fire-FP.htm
in my backyard and fire it up on most weekends. Although it encloses the
fire, embers do get blown through the grate when the wind kicks up. I keep a
bucket of water and the hose nearby, just in case :) Not exactly a bonfire,
but I have made some pretty big fires. I also have a chimenea, and when that
gets going, the flames shoot out of the top of the chimney like a blowtorch.
:)
Have you had any fire troubles where you are in the unsafe periods?
Myal
I used to live in WA on a hot summer arvo you could smell the paddocks
literally singing in the sun , that smell that you get just before the
grass actually goes up in flame temps of around 52deg c +... thousands
of hectares of dry crops ready to be taken off ....
we had a idiot try to beat the line up at the depot and began harvesting
during a ban ( because of the extreme fire risk ) his machine caught
fire , his padocks caught fire , since it was new years day as well and
most the volunteer fire fighters were at the beach or pissed off their
heads enjoying the weekend , not a lot of respose to the fire happened
till it was about a 100 +km long fire , east wind blew it tru crop after
crop
the catch was , around 3pm the wind usually swings from east to south ,
that owuld have had a 100 +km front heading northward over town .... for
some reason the wind didnt swing , the fire went from east of mullewa to
flatrocks beach and died out ....
we was packed ,ready to scarper , I got on the tractor hooked up the
plough and was ripping super wide firebreaks around and across the
paddocks and around the house and sheds .... ready to park the tractor
and jump in the car to scarper when the wind swung ... but it didnt ,
and we was safe
few other times we had scares just from neighbours lighting fires that
got out of heir control , and near burned us out but that was nowhere
near the scale of the newyears day fire , just a couple properties .
the most recent was at the wreckers , the dropkick owner was oxy cutting
a truck in 1/2 on a patch of long dry grass .. out of reach of the hose
and no fire extinguishers handy ... he set fire to the grass and was
busy trying to round up people to bucket water to the fire .... that was
rapidly preading to near by wrecks ... I grabbed the extinguishers out
of my car and put out the truck and wrecks , stomped out he remaining
grass fire , before his blokes could empty the dirty water (out of the
buckets ( no joke ) and begin carting water to the fire ... he coulda
set fire to the bush between the industrial lot and the residences
behind that
I got a $20 discount for the help I did off a second hand part that was
too stuffed to use anyway ...
the worst fires I seen tho that cost lives was nearly all idiots who
dont know about putting their cigarettes in ashtrays instead of flicking
it out the window , or pyromaniacs who need an serious up close and
personal with what fascinates them so much
Libby Loo
"Myal" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:LLbXk.1168$Et1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Never expect the wind to do what you think it's supposed to do :) Sounds
like you got lucky that it hand a mind of its own that day.
I take in WA is worse than elsewhere. You mention "used to", what part are
you in now, and how does it compare, fire danger-wise?
Myal
here it rains in the summer , we got trees left still in places , and
mountains and snow in winter , hell snow on the barringtons only a few
days back ...
heaps more fuel , but its harder to light , when it goes up tho its
kinda hotter longer burning fire IMHO and due to population density ,
more folk are affected when it does go up
in drought hto , its more scary here cos people are not used to living
in a tinderbox and are stupid and or careless with things as exhausts ,
cigarettes kids and matches ....