Re: 0bama can't count straight - again
HH&C
> Hey, it's only money. And it's yours not his. That's the good part
> about it.
> WS
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/01/05/2010-01-05_200m_a...
> Security for the federal trial of self-proclaimed 9/11 mastermind
> Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and four accused cohorts will run $200 million
> a year, sources told the Daily News.
>
> The NYPD's newly revised projection is almost triple the estimate of
> $75 million in November, after Attorney General Eric Holder announced
> he would move the prisoners from Guantanamo to Manhattan for trial.
>
> Read more:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/01/05/2010-01-05_200m_a...
This is such an unbelievably bad idea.
I'm wondering if any of the off-shore gambling sites are making odds
on whether NYC gets hit again?
What's wrong with a court martial followed by a firing squad?
robert bowman
> What's wrong with a court martial followed by a firing squad?
It's not the American way. Where else would a terrorist who got caught red
crotched, so to speak, get a grand jury indictment?
Jeff M
The problem is that some people just don't believe in American values,
and have no faith in American institutions.
robert bowman
> The problem is that some people just don't believe in American values,
> and have no faith in American institutions.
I have complete faith that FEMA will be right on top of emergencies, the CIA
will hire valuable double agents, the DHS will function perfectly, and
Congress will continue to make wise decisions.
Jeff M
... and you have blind faith in military tribunals and in the
politicians deciding to ignore our established judicial process whenever
it's convenient?
Curly Surmudgeon
Chill, Jeff, he's being sarcastic...
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HH&C
They just needed a really big number.
HH&C
Why is a muilitary tribunal good for service men and women, but not
good enough for admitted terrorists?
Why do you hate our military so much?
Jeff M
Courts Martial serve a military purpose, and are not in any way
equivalent to these military tribunals. Apples and oranges.
Why do you hate America so much?
HH&C
So our men and women in uniform will never face a military tribunal?
Are you certain? Are you really, really, really certain?
Jeff M
> On Jan 7, 9:31 pm, Jeff M <nos...@nothanks.org> wrote:
>> HH&C wrote:
>>> On Jan 7, 10:24 am, Jeff M <nos...@nothanks.org> wrote:
>>>> robert bowman wrote:
>>>>> Jeff M wrote:
>>>>>> The problem is that some people just don't believe in American values,
>>>>>> and have no faith in American institutions.
>>>>> I have complete faith that FEMA will be right on top of emergencies, the CIA
>>>>> will hire valuable double agents, the DHS will function perfectly, and
>>>>> Congress will continue to make wise decisions.
>>>> ... and you have blind faith in military tribunals and in the
>>>> politicians deciding to ignore our established judicial process whenever
>>>> it's convenient?
>>> Why is a muilitary tribunal good for service men and women, but not
>>> good enough for admitted terrorists?
>>> Why do you hate our military so much?
>> Courts Martial serve a military purpose, and are not in any way
>> equivalent to these military tribunals. Apples and oranges.
>>
>
> So our men and women in uniform will never face a military tribunal?
The military tribunal system for the "War on Terror" is entirely
separate and utterly unlike the judicial system under the UCMJ. Your
prior non-judicial punishments don't count. Do try to read for
comprehension.
robert bowman
> ... and you have blind faith in military tribunals and in the
> politicians deciding to ignore our established judicial process whenever
> it's convenient?
You betcha, as far as the politicians go. Give them enough money and they'll
do things an honest whore wouldn't touch.
Jeff M
We have the best government money can buy.
robert bowman
> Chill, Jeff, he's being sarcastic...
Shit! I forgot the emoticons again and the clueless need every clue they can
get.
"Difficile est saturam non scribere" Juvenal
Jeff M
Relax. I got it.
HH&C
So you've promised that our men and women will never face a military
tribunal, yes?
Dan
Are you too stupid to read, too ignorant, or just playing stupid?
Three choices only, please answer the question.
Dan
Dan
And pretty much always have.
Only people who own rose-colored rear-view mirrors think otherwise.
Dan
HH&C
You're such a pleasant person. Were you abused as a child?
robert bowman
> And pretty much always have.
>
> Only people who own rose-colored rear-view mirrors think otherwise.
Madison and Hamilton were following the Benjamins long before the old fart
made it onto a greenback.
Dan
No, just annoyed at a person who asks a nonsensical question three times
in a row after said question was answered...
Nothing Jeff posted implied or said military personnel were immune from
Court Martial or "Military Tribunal", yet you ask the same question
THREE TIMES. He directly called a distinction between the "Military
Tribunal" proposed for the detainees at Guantanamo and any "Military
Tribunal" that would be used for US Military Personnel, yet you persist
in trying to cloud the issue.
Why?
You will please to notice I withheld comment until the THIRD instance of
your obtuseness. I think I exhibited extraordinary restraint and
patience with you. But, as with a 3 year old who asks the same question
over and over after being answered in a variety of ways solely to bring
attention to himself, I got impatient (though not using the same
verbiage I would use with said 3 year old)...
If you expect to be taken seriously as an adult, behave as one. When my
older students act like 2nd graders, I treat them as 2nd graders, and
tell them why. The behavior usually doesn't last long. Would that you
were as mature.
Dan
Alfred Pennyworth
"Dan" <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff M wrote:
>>
>> We have the best government money can buy.
>
> And pretty much always have.
Where's my change?
Dan
Ask the Republicans in Congress.
Dan
HH&C
It appeared to me that he avoided answering the question three times.
> You will please to notice I withheld comment until the THIRD instance of
> your obtuseness. I think I exhibited extraordinary restraint and
> patience with you. But, as with a 3 year old who asks the same question
> over and over after being answered in a variety of ways solely to bring
> attention to himself, I got impatient (though not using the same
> verbiage I would use with said 3 year old)...
I think you should experience extraordinary restraint. A beautiful,
tight fitting white jacket.
> If you expect to be taken seriously as an adult, behave as one. When my
> older students act like 2nd graders, I treat them as 2nd graders, and
> tell them why. The behavior usually doesn't last long. Would that you
> were as mature.
> Dan
Dear God, he's a school teacher. It all makes sense now.
Alfred Pennyworth
"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
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> Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Alfred Pennyworth wrote:
>>> "Dan" <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> Jeff M wrote:
>>>
>>>>> We have the best government money can buy.
>>>>
>>>> And pretty much always have.
>>>
>>> Where's my change?
>>
>>Ask the Republicans in Congress.
>
> Wasn't Saint 0 going to bring us change? Hope and transparency went
> out the window in his first days of January so I guess change is just
> a phrase from last years election now too.
Well, Obama said he was, but he failed, again. Sigh, I guess that's why Dan
suggest turning to the Republicans. At least he knows how to punt.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Alfred Pennyworth wrote:
>>> "Dan" <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> Jeff M wrote:
>>>
>>>>> We have the best government money can buy.
>>>>
>>>> And pretty much always have.
>>>
>>> Where's my change?
>>
>>Ask the Republicans in Congress.
>
> Wasn't Saint 0 going to bring us change? Hope and transparency went out
> the window in his first days of January so I guess change is just a
> phrase from last years election now too.
Obama moves to curb federal secrets
By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer Anne Flaherty, Associated Press
Writer Wed Dec 30, 3:06 am ET
WASHINGTON – More than 400 million pages of Cold War-era documents could
be declassified as the federal government responds to President Barack
Obama's order to rethink the way it protects the nation's secrets.
Among the changes announced Tuesday by Obama is a requirement that every
record be released eventually and that federal agencies review how and
why they mark documents classified or deny the release of historical
records. A National Declassification Center at the National Archives will
be established to assist them and help clear a backlog of the Cold War
records by Dec. 31, 2013.
Obama also reversed a decision by President George W. Bush that had
allowed the intelligence community to block the release of a specific
document, even if an interagency panel decided the information wouldn't
harm national security.
Advocates for a more open government are cautiously cheering the move.
"Everything will depend on implementation," said Steven Aftergood,
director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of
American Scientists. But the order "has tremendous potential to reduce
the level of secrecy throughout the government."
In a memo to agency heads, Obama said he expects that the order will
produce "measurable progress" toward greater openness in government while
also protecting the nation's most important secrets.
"I will closely monitor the results," he promised.
The still-classified Cold War records would provide a wealth of data on
U.S.-Soviet relations, including the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the
fall of the Berlin Wall, diplomacy and espionage. A Soviet spy ring in
the Navy led by John Walker headlined 1985, which became known as "The
Year of the Spy."
On his first day in office, Obama instructed federal agencies to be more
responsive to requests for records under the Freedom of Information Act
and he overturned an order by Bush that would have enabled former
presidents and vice presidents to block release of sensitive records of
their time in the White House.
The government spent more than $8.21 billion last year to create and
safeguard classified information, and $43 million to declassify it,
according to the Information Security Oversight Office, which oversees
the government's security classification. The figures don't include data
from the principal intelligence agencies, which is classified.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/ap_on_go_pr_wh/
us_classified_documents_6/print
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Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:33:22 -0700, Winston_Smith
>>> Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Alfred Pennyworth wrote:
>>>>> "Dan" <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Jeff M wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have the best government money can buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And pretty much always have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where's my change?
>>>>
>>>>Ask the Republicans in Congress.
>>>
>>> Wasn't Saint 0 going to bring us change? Hope and transparency went
>>> out the window in his first days of January so I guess change is just
>>> a phrase from last years election now too.
>>
>>Obama moves to curb federal secrets
>>By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer Anne Flaherty, Associated
>>Press Writer Wed Dec 30, 3:06 am ET
>
> Oh a real nice puff piece. Tell us about auditing the FED. Tell us
> about accounting for the TARP money and where it went, who got it, and
> what they did with it. Tell us about little Timmy Geithner's e-mails as
> he connived for yet more Goldman profits to be pilfered from the
> treasury. Tell us about the overnight, high pressure bankruptcy of GM -
> something that normally takes months if not years - that cleared the
> books for 0bamaMotors to be debt free at inception.
>
> Tell us about changing the nations health system behind closed doors
> with only one party invited. Tell us about the billions doled out to
> buy health care votes. Tell us about railroading legislation that less
> then half the nation wants.
>
> Tell us about earmarks that are still in full swing. Tell us about the
> mercenary army in Afghanistan that's as big as the one he talks about.
> Tell us about how 0 is saying we need something just like Guantanamo
> after he _finally_ shuts it down. Tell us about the Household Sector
> that can't be described but just happens to represent the $2 trillion
> the government needs to make it's books look like they balance.
>
> The man is just like Bush. He lies when the truth would serve him
> better. He IS Bush's third term.
You said: "Hope and transparency went out the window in his first days of
January..." I supplied a major change in the secrecy installed by Bush/
Cheney.
All the issues you note I agree with, especially the "health bill" that
shouldn't see the light of day. Demanding that they all be granted
immediately though is ridiculous.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
> Why?
Inertia.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
> You supplied just one example. I supplied dozens of examples. You
> don't dispute me, in fact you say you agree with me. But somehow we
> have to ignore the dozens of things he has done - and is yet to do -
> because he did one thing. And that thing only amounts to beating up on
> his processor.
>
> "It was all Clinton's fault". Now "It was all Bush's fault".
>
> Too easy an out. He can do as he wishes and he is choosing as much
> secrecy as Bush did. He is as dangerous as Bush was. More so because
> his minions still believe the "transparency" hoax. Bush just admitted
> it and said it was necessary.
Yes, I picked but one of your statements to disprove. Most I agree with
but I don't care to argue with you over these issues. Yes, you have
valid complaints. No, I will not (yet) speak out loudly against Obama.
In my opinion restorating a functional economy is the foremost priority.
HH&C
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:10:16 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >>On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:44:34 -0700, Winston_Smith>wrote:
> >>> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >>>>On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:21:32 -0700, Winston_Smith >wrote:
> >>>>> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:33:22 -0700, Winston_Smith
> >>>>>>> Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>Alfred Pennyworth wrote:
So why kill it with forced health-care?
Stormin Mormon
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HH&C wrote:
> What's wrong with a court martial followed by a
> firing squad?
It's not the American way. Where else would a
terrorist who got caught red
crotched, so to speak, get a grand jury
indictment?
Stormin Mormon
killed? Spooky.
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"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in
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Hey, it's only money. And it's yours not his.
That's the good part
about it.
WS
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/01/05/2010-01-05_200m_a_year_for_terror_trial_here.html
Security for the federal trial of self-proclaimed
9/11 mastermind
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and four accused cohorts
will run $200 million
a year, sources told the Daily News.
The NYPD's newly revised projection is almost
triple the estimate of
$75 million in November, after Attorney General
Eric Holder announced
he would move the prisoners from Guantanamo to
Manhattan for trial.
Stormin Mormon
your joke.
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Stormin Mormon
hold the emoticon" could choke someone to death.
Defibrillate immediately, squad 51!
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Curly Surmudgeon
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe he only executes American Republicans?
That is a rather tiny minority. Most Republicans are solidly un-American.
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