So.... how *does* crow taste, anyway?
Grey Wolf
currency, collapse of the government, ad nauseam. This was the biggest
non-event of the month/year/decade/century/millennium.
--
Grey "enter clever nickname here" Wolf
...you know: the one your mother warned you about.....
phx...@home.com
Grey Wolf wrote:
>
> Y2K bugs, millennium, terrorists, riots in the streets, collapse of the
> currency, collapse of the government, ad nauseam. This was the biggest
> non-event of the month/year/decade/century/millennium.
>
> --
> Grey "enter clever nickname here" Wolf
>
I didn't notice any shortages of food or fuel here in Phoenix because I
did no shopping for same. My 5000 watt generator sits in the carport
with the same 2-3 gallons of gasoline it had before. I took my
fully-equipped motorhome into the dealer's for some needed service a few
days ago, so I don't know how much bottled gas it had....
What amusements will you 'Sky is falling' folks have for us next?
Happy New Year to you all!
Phxbrd, an old COBOL scribbler....
darryl & marnie
ready to eat)??
First trouble spotted today: 5 people carrying generators back into the
Home Depot today.... I wonder how they will feel with the 25% restocking
fee??
dB
Grey Wolf wrote:
> Y2K bugs, millennium, terrorists, riots in the streets, collapse of the
> currency, collapse of the government, ad nauseam. This was the biggest
> non-event of the month/year/decade/century/millennium.
>
> --
> Grey "enter clever nickname here" Wolf
Raul Almquist
<gr...@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote:
> Y2K bugs, millennium, terrorists, riots in the streets, collapse of the
> currency, collapse of the government, ad nauseam. This was the biggest
> non-event of the month/year/decade/century/millennium.
Maybe, all except the minor bit of heart attacks when the news (NBC I
believe it was) announced that russia launched several missles, and then
took quite a while before they told people those were non-nuke missles
aimed into Chechnia (sp).
Personally I know of several people who were wondering if they should
bend over and kiss their own asses goodbye for several minutes.
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The chili is delicious. It's why we chose a top store brand. We won't have
to shop for months. Is this it an inconvenience to have my pantry stocked?
You'll have to help me understand how.
The generators are silly. If power does go out, you'd have to stock fuel
for them. At least one guy blew himself up on stored petroleum.
We got a cord of firewood. I don't have to worry about that blowing up.
darryl & marnie wrote in message <386FE3E7...@snet.net>...
>What is everybody going to do with their 6 month supply of MRE (meals
>ready to eat)??
>
>First trouble spotted today: 5 people carrying generators back into the
>Home Depot today.... I wonder how they will feel with the 25% restocking
>fee??
>
>dB
>
>Grey Wolf wrote:
>
>> Y2K bugs, millennium, terrorists, riots in the streets, collapse of the
>> currency, collapse of the government, ad nauseam. This was the biggest
>> non-event of the month/year/decade/century/millennium.
>>
foxeye
it it was food...so my grandpa enforced it on my cousin and I for
killing a crow with a .22 as kids.
Anyway for Y2K I have a pretty good assortment of foods and supplies
on hand. Usually always did keep enough for about 30 days worth of
living unassisted from the outside. Gas, water, food, and most
everything else. Been doing it that way for over 15 years now, in an
underground shelter that will sleep 5 comfortable and feed 4 for 30
days at 3 meals a day for approx 30 days. Coulld go longer if the
meals were stretch, and the occupants reduced...but it was never built
and stocked in atticipation of Y2K or an Atomic Bomb.its justa neat
storm shelter, and has proved its use on a few occassions. Last real
use was Hurricane Opal, it was hot as hell in Oct, but it was cool
below ground, quiet, insect free, and let the world go by. It was 6
days until we got power and water restored..but we did not do without
during that time. People today like the ones returning generators,
only think for the short term, or whats at hand. Sure would be hell if
a big time storm came up and dumped a ton of snow, and people lost
power. A generator and a few staples is not gonna bankrupt anyone.
zen...@i-plus.net
Raul Almquist wrote:
Personally I know of several people who were wondering if they should bend
over and kiss their own asses goodbye for several minutes.
Don't mind me if I'm making no sense I have the flu and can't sleep ..... So
....
Any kissing of ones ass good buy that's more then a quick peck is grounds for
seeking new friends. Several minutes worth is an indication of need for
treatment.
--
Zentuck
I choose to live in the light
At peace with the world
And myself
C. Brunner
came "on-line". Mom said the only thing they did as a Y2K precaution
was to fill the coffeepot with water before they went to bed that
night. She said there were several areas around the Twin Cities that
were without electricity after midnight. Turns out, some sort of
balloon got tangled up in some high-voltage wires and a **big**
circuit breaker blew.
Nothing at all happened here. The phones worked, the lights came on,
there's still plenty of money in the banks. My laptop booted right up
and displayed the right date on Jan. 1 (can't believe I drove 17 miles
to my office to test it out!). There wasn't even the expected run on
the grocery stores--probably because our 22,000 college students were
still home for the holidays. I was honestly kind of disappointed,
after all the hype (including unexpectedly pessimistic warnings from
our local and state EMS officials). We even received a list of
"precautions" from the university. They told us, among other things,
to unplug all electronic devices in case of power surges. The entire
university computing system was turned off for New Year's Eve, "just
in case." All employees and students were instructed to call the
university before we left for work or classes today--to be sure the
whole place wasn't closed.
Life goes on.
C. Brunner
Elaine Gallant
Ya, that I don't follow. So all these people were betting their lives that
the rollover was not going to be a big deal.
I prepared, and am still better off now for the effort- won't have to go
food shopping all winter.
C. Brunner wrote in message <3870db30...@news.duc.auburn.edu>...
Bill
news:84qu4h$ssj$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
>
> Ya, that I don't follow. So all these people were betting their
lives that
> the rollover was not going to be a big deal.
> I prepared, and am still better off now for the effort- won't have
to go
> food shopping all winter.
>
I wish I didn't have to go shopping. (As I don't really like
shopping.) I must admit that my heart skipped a few beats when I
heard that three missiles were launched on the news. (Turned out to be
Russia's war with that country that I can't spell the name of -
Che???)
I think it is good to be prepared for disaster since there will always
be tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, and power outages...
Elaine Gallant
you bet your life, and won. You were lucky.
I refused to bet. didn't like the game, and had no intention of betting my
life on someone else telling the truth about fixing the problem. Much less
betting my life on the banks holding together, the govt. not downing in
their new pile of freshly printed bills.
If you had lost that one, it could have been bad. I set things up in such a
way that I could not lose.
BD wrote in message ...
>Comparing yourself to someone simply being prepared for a possible
>emergency, eh? You were more like the guy who convinces himself that he's a
>lottery-winner after buying a ticket and goes around bragging about it
>before the drawing... Wacko, iow..
>
>"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:84qu4h$ssj$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> Ya, that I don't follow. So all these people were betting their lives
>that
>> the rollover was not going to be a big deal.
>> I prepared, and am still better off now for the effort- won't have to
go
>> food shopping all winter.
>>
>>
John Hallman
If you spent the same amount that you would have anyway, you are to be
commended for foresight. If you spent more in the pre-Y2K shopping, then
you've spent money needlessly. Your arguments are predicated on the
supposition that if the Y2K bug actually materialized in a major way, then
many would die and society would end.
That's a very fragile argument at best. Even in the worst case scenario,
there would be several weeks of no power, no communication, delayed
deliveries of food, etc. The government would be helpless....that would be
a benefit? What would happen that would affect our lives?
Methinks we are too reliant on the mainstream media and our government,
instead of what we see in front of us.
Elaine Gallant <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:84re5p$d2p$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
Sojourner
>
> Ya, that I don't follow. So all these people were betting their lives that
> the rollover was not going to be a big deal.
*Snort* *giggle*
Yeah, right, and I'm "betting my life" on the sun coming up tomorrow,
too. The same odds as Y2K NOT being TEOTWAKI.
Sojourner
>
> I think it is good to be prepared for disaster since there will always
> be tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, and power outages...
Sure. But I bet you don't turn your assets into gold coins on the off
chance that a tornado, hurricane, power outage, or earthquake should
cause the collapse of the entire monetary system.
Bill
>
> Sure. But I bet you don't turn your assets into gold coins on the
off
> chance that a tornado, hurricane, power outage, or earthquake should
> cause the collapse of the entire monetary system.
Nope. I did not buy any gold. Buying gold is one thing. Selling it and
getting your money back is another. I didn't do much of anything to
prepare for Y2K so far as stocking up on food, etc. I did look at my
battery supply which I do every fall because of power outages here in
the winter, and did buy 2 new lantern batteries. I basically keep 2
months worth of food all the time anyway, have spare water, and first
aid stuff. I ran out of cookies the other night and had to make an
emergency run to the store. The lady asked me "Is that all?" and I
said yes, just emergency cookies! She laughed. These things (cookies)
are most important for survival.
I also keep a survival kit in my truck along with a blanket, heavy
coat, gloves, and 2 pairs of thick socks as I frequently will venture
out with just a T-shirt and a flannel shirt over that. I am mostly
scared of being stuck somewhere in my truck and freezing to death. I
should keep water in my truck, but I haven't thought of a way to keep
it there without it bouncing all over the place when driving on
country roads with lots of curves going 55 mph and not freezing in the
winter. I do have one of those water filter gizmos for getting water
out of rivers though.
Elaine Gallant
John Hallman wrote in message <_Ncc4.175$xI5...@newsfeed.slurp.net>...
>Elaine,
>
>If you spent the same amount that you would have anyway, you are to be
>commended for foresight. If you spent more in the pre-Y2K shopping, then
>you've spent money needlessly.
Why thank you for the complement. I am a frugal person. The shopping was
all done in the regular bag-it-yourself supermarket we always use. Only
difference being the purchase of bags of dried beans, grain, and whole wheat
flour.
> Your arguments are predicated on the
>supposition that if the Y2K bug actually materialized in a major way, then
>many would die and society would end.
>That's a very fragile argument at best.
Gee... have you ever heard of the great depression of the 1930's? How
'bout the stock market crash of 1929? The San Francisco earthquake? The
disolution of the Soviet Union? The fall of the Roman empire?
You thought there could not be major disaster? The banks can't possibly
fail? The govt. will last forever?
> Even in the worst case scenario,
>there would be several weeks of no power, no communication, delayed
>deliveries of food, etc.
How do you know those things would be the limits of a "worst case"
scenario?
> The government would be helpless....that would be
>a benefit? What would happen that would affect our lives?
>
>Methinks we are too reliant on the mainstream media and our government,
>instead of what we see in front of us.
Yes, I can agree with that.
Elaine Gallant
Sojourner wrote in message <38716D5C...@summer.spam>...
>Elaine Gallant wrote:
>>
>> Ya, that I don't follow. So all these people were betting their lives
that
>> the rollover was not going to be a big deal.
>
>*Snort* *giggle*
Here- have a tissue.
>Yeah, right, and I'm "betting my life" on the sun coming up tomorrow,
>too. The same odds as Y2K NOT being TEOTWAKI.
I'm not a fortune teller, so went ahead and got some suppies together
beforehand, just in case.
Jerry Anderson
Those who believed the "official" Gov't line bet their lives, their
fortunes, and their sacred honor on the crap-shoot that all is well.
Those who were dehydrating lettuce they got from dumpster-diving (one of my
neighbors - I'm not making this up!) were not acting rationally.
Being prepared for disaster/war/famine/tornado/terrorists/Y2K or whatever is
only common sense. I have ALWAYS had several months food on hand, enough
ammo to defend my home and enough gas to get out of town. We keep a
backpack member in the closet near the door for each family member. It
contains enough food & water for 72 hours, matches, a space blanket,
first-aid kit, spare socks, underwear & sweat pants/shirt.
We've never had to use them, but have come close a few times. I've seen too
many mud-slides, floods, wild-fires, up-risings, volcanoes and earthquakes
to be complacent. I've never had to use the survival gear in my airplane
either, but I'd sure as hell hate to spend a couple nights on the tundra in
a wrecked plane w/o it!
Like farming or country living, personal preparedness is a way of life.
Disasters happen. Y2K was unique only in the sense that we knew the exact
date to expect it. It didn't happen - how about the next natural or
man-made disaster? Want to bet your life it won't happen next
week/month/year?
I'm not eating any crow - I'm just happy to have some more time to be more
prepared than I was yesterday, and life goes on. If there's NEVER another
disaster in my life, I'm prepared for that too.
Jerry
"John Hallman" <twobe...@spammcia.com> wrote in message
news:_Ncc4.175$xI5...@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Elaine,
>
> If you spent the same amount that you would have anyway, you are to be
> commended for foresight. If you spent more in the pre-Y2K shopping, then
> you've spent money needlessly. Your arguments are predicated on the
> supposition that if the Y2K bug actually materialized in a major way, then
> many would die and society would end.
>
> That's a very fragile argument at best. Even in the worst case scenario,
> there would be several weeks of no power, no communication, delayed
> deliveries of food, etc. The government would be helpless....that would
be
> a benefit? What would happen that would affect our lives?
>
> Methinks we are too reliant on the mainstream media and our government,
> instead of what we see in front of us.
>
>
Sojourner
See? All common sense. That's all the "preparation" anyone needed come
1/1/2000 - just exactly the same preparations you should have made in
the normal course of living.
Sojourner
>
> > Your arguments are predicated on the
> >supposition that if the Y2K bug actually materialized in a major way, then
> >many would die and society would end.
>
> >That's a very fragile argument at best.
>
> 'bout the stock market crash of 1929? The San Francisco earthquake? The
> disolution of the Soviet Union? The fall of the Roman empire?
> You thought there could not be major disaster? The banks can't possibly
> fail? The govt. will last forever?
*SNORT* *SNORT* BWAH HA HA HA HA!
Elaine, you were wrong. You were gulled by the Y2K doomcryers. If you
had any common sense you let it leak out somewhere along the line during
your obsession with a "Y2K crisis" that never existed.
Whether or not "governments last forever", Y2K was not even remotely in
the running to bring *ours* down. Believing it was in the face of facts
to the contrary is purely irrational, especially clinging to this belief
even after it has been shown to be pure hogwash BECAUSE ITS 1/4/00 and
we're all still here (and so is the gubmint. And the gubmint-backed
monetary system).
Keep trying to shore up your false belief system. There are no
underpinnings to any of it. It's all just the ravings of a survivalist
mentality. Hunker down in your bunker if it makes you feel better, but
I think a nice warm teddy bear would be nicer to cuddle up to than a
stack of krugerands.
Sojourner
>
> I'm not a fortune teller, so went ahead and got some suppies together
> beforehand, just in case.
Sheesh, you are dim.
OK, let me spell it out for you.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A FORTUNE TELLER to tell the sun is going to come
up tommorrow.
You ALSO didn't need to be a fortune teller to know that a little
problem with the way dates are stored in data files isn't going to cause
the entire world civilization to flip back to the stone age. Especially
when its been explained over and over by people who do this stuff for a
living just what the ramifications of said data storage error are and
are not likely to be.
Well, maybe YOU did, since you appear to have a complete lack of the
facility for critical thinking.
Kelly E Jones
Jerry Anderson <Jer...@townsqr.com> wrote:
>Those who believed the "official" Gov't line bet their lives, their
>fortunes, and their sacred honor on the crap-shoot that all is well.
Believed the Gov't line? I don't think so. Those of us who didn't take
any extra precautions were more than likely just following our common sense,
and refusing to believe the official "Chicken Little" line that said
the sky would fall come Jan 1.
I won't disagree with sentiments about ALWAYS being prepared for at
least a few weeks disruption in services; there's always the
possibility of tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. But taking
special precautions just because of a calendar change just didn't make
sense.
Kelly
Hillsboro
Elaine Gallant
Sojourner wrote in message <3871DF8B...@summer.spam>...
>Elaine Gallant wrote:
>>
>> > Your arguments are predicated on the
>> >supposition that if the Y2K bug actually materialized in a major way,
then
>> >many would die and society would end.
>>
>> >That's a very fragile argument at best.
>>
>> Gee... have you ever heard of the great depression of the 1930's? How
>> 'bout the stock market crash of 1929? The San Francisco earthquake? The
>> disolution of the Soviet Union? The fall of the Roman empire?
>> You thought there could not be major disaster? The banks can't possibly
>> fail? The govt. will last forever?
>
>*SNORT* *SNORT* BWAH HA HA HA HA!
>
>Elaine, you were wrong.
Ok. I was entirely prepared to be wrong. Were you? I'm not a fortune
teller. What I do know is that the stock market has never been as high. The
last time the stock market looked this was was in 1929. Many economists
have noted the similarities. Additionally, we have never paid taxes at the
present rates either, and taxes just keep going up every year. Govt. is
growing like terminal stage cancer.
There is enough happening on these fronts that if the rug got pulled out,
they'd go down hard.
Shawn Turner
All this time and nobody's said:
(drumroll)
Like chicken
zen...@i-plus.net
Sojourner wrote:
> YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A FORTUNE TELLER to tell the sun is going to come
> up tommorrow.
>
But what if it didn't?
Well yes it will come up tomorrow but what if .... just what if .... lets say
just for arguments sake the "big one" hits California one of these days. All
the geologists say its overdue so it IS a possibility. Now what if the quake
is so big that all the dormant, and active volcanos in the Pacific Rim give a
great big cheer in appreciation. Perhaps the volcanos get a little carried
away and spew several billion tons of ash in the atmosphere. What if the sun
at noon is only as bright as the full moon on a cloudy night. I wonder how
long it would take before agriculture got back to normal? I guess air
traffic would come to a halt, for the most part anyway. Satellites might be
affected, I can't get HGTV on my receiver if the rain is heavy so I guess
volcanic ash would due the same. Weather patterns might be a bit confusing
for a while too, well maybe not. What's the weather like outside dear? Cold
and dark hon ..... real cold ..... and real dark.
Jason Hernandez
Can't speak for him (her?), but I didn't just go on intuition. If I had, I
would have done what you did. I was going on the research of Dave Hunt into
the issue -- I have taken his newsletter for several years, and found him one
of the most trustworthy such writers I know. (Only things I have found to
disagree with him about, are evolution and child-rearing.)
> I refused to bet. didn't like the game,
It never was a game. It was a bunch of people spreading rumors. Only
difference is, if the same rumors had been spread about, say, 1987, they would
have had to work harder to make them believable.
> If you had lost that one, it could have been bad. I set things up in such a
>way that I could not lose.
I prefer to prepare for what is real -- winter storms and floods, in my
particular area, hurricanes when I lived on the east coast. A person living in
areas with those recurring problems is foolish not already to be in the habit
of being prepared.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large
Charles Perry
zen...@i-plus.net wrote in message <38723ACE...@i-plus.net>...
>
>
>Sojourner wrote:
>
>> YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A FORTUNE TELLER to tell the sun is going to come
>> up tommorrow.
>>
>
>But what if it didn't?
>
>Well yes it will come up tomorrow but what if .... just what if .... lets
say
>just for arguments sake the "big one" hits California one of these days.
We would be rid of a liberal thorn in the side of freedom.
Disclaimer: The above was said in jest. I have no reason to want the
people of California to die. NOW, if we could just kill their politics,
that is another story.
Charles Perry P.E.
jerry dowdy
the pony smith
Grey Wolf
elaine....@worldnet.att.net wisely refrained from saying more than...
> Much less
> betting my life on the banks holding together, the govt. not downing in
> their new pile of freshly printed bills.
It's on the news today: the greenbacks are going back to the Fed; not a
one went into circulation.
> If you had lost that one, it could have been bad. I set things up in such a
> way that I could not lose.
Except for taking a beating on the gold.
Grey Wolf
> people of California to die. NOW, if we could just kill their politics,
> that is another story.
I think people in California are great.... and I hope they stay there
(except for my daughter, who I wish would move back North).
Grey Wolf
elaine....@worldnet.att.net wisely refrained from saying more than...
> Additionally, we have never paid taxes at the
> present rates either, and taxes just keep going up every year.
If you're referring to Federal Income Tax rates, they've come down.
Ironically, the highest rates were during Republican administrations; who
would think that it would be a Democrat Administration that would lower
tax rates and balance the budget. Go figger.
Grey Wolf
STurneratN...@MooMeowemail.msn.com wisely refrained from saying
more than...
> [Re: So.... how *does* crow taste, anyway?]
> All this time and nobody's said:
> (drumroll)
> Like chicken
Finally, the correct answer!
Doug
<gr...@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote:
>In article <OlW7eDuV$GA.215@cpmsnbbsa02>,
>STurneratN...@MooMeowemail.msn.com wisely refrained from saying
>more than...
>> [Re: So.... how *does* crow taste, anyway?]
>> All this time and nobody's said:
>> (drumroll)
>> Like chicken
>
>Finally, the correct answer!
>
No. Tastes more like a cornish game hen that's been frozen too long.
Join the Kenneth Minnesota Kornfield Kommandos.
Eraticate noxious and obnoxious weeds.
And help protect Ontario from Iowa.
Elaine Gallant
Grey Wolf wrote in message ...
>In article <84taqq$k7j$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
>elaine....@worldnet.att.net wisely refrained from saying more than...
>> Additionally, we have never paid taxes at the
>> present rates either, and taxes just keep going up every year.
>
>If you're referring to Federal Income Tax rates, they've come down.
Silly. Taxes never come down. There might be some slight of hand to make you
THINK your taxes are reduced, but they never are.
Elaine Gallant
Grey Wolf wrote in message ...
>> betting my life on the banks holding together, the govt. not downing in
>> their new pile of freshly printed bills.
>
>It's on the news today: the greenbacks are going back to the Fed; not a
>one went into circulation.
ha ha ha ha...and you belive that? I got some hundred dollar bills last
month. They were crispy new, in sequential order, and the ink was still wet.
Jerry Anderson
SQUAT!!!
The high taxes and bad budgets were delivered by a Demo house & senate ...
the lower(?) taxes and balanced(??) budgets were delivered by a Republican
congress & senate. According to the US constitution (which is seldom
followed) all revenue bills must originate in the house, and the Senate must
pass a similar bill. In this area, the Prez has no power, only some
influence.
The only thing Clinton has done is perjure himself, commit sexual predation
on a girl not much older than his daughter, violate the constitution and his
oath of office in ways too varied to be numbered.
And in case you think I'm not an equal opportunity bitter, Bush wasn't much
better.
Jerry
"Grey Wolf" <gr...@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.12dc736c6...@news.earthlink.net...
> In article <84taqq$k7j$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
> elaine....@worldnet.att.net wisely refrained from saying more than...
> > Additionally, we have never paid taxes at the
> > present rates either, and taxes just keep going up every year.
>
> If you're referring to Federal Income Tax rates, they've come down.
> Ironically, the highest rates were during Republican administrations; who
> would think that it would be a Democrat Administration that would lower
> tax rates and balance the budget. Go figger.
>
Sojourner
>
> The only thing Clinton has done is perjure himself, commit sexual predation
> on a girl not much older than his daughter,
You don't know much about Monica, do you? She told people before she
went to Washington that she was "out to get her presidential knee pads".
She had an interview with the president of a college in Oregon, where
she stole letterhead from his desk and forged an offer of employment to
a friend.
She has a long list of fraud and misadventure to her name, long before
she ever got to Washington.
JimMcCarty
> >> betting my life on the banks holding together, the govt. not
downing in
> >> their new pile of freshly printed bills.
> >
> >It's on the news today: the greenbacks are going back to the Fed; not
a
> >one went into circulation.
>
> ha ha ha ha...and you belive that? I got some hundred dollar bills
last
> month. They were crispy new, in sequential order, and the ink was
still wet.
>
>
I think I'd check to see who printed those.
--
Jim McCarty
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Grey Wolf
> >> present rates either, and taxes just keep going up every year.
> >
> >If you're referring to Federal Income Tax rates, they've come down.
>
> THINK your taxes are reduced, but they never are.
If you're referring to Federal Income Tax rates, they've come down.
That's simply fact (not slight of hand). You don't read much hard news,
do you?
As for the overall all tax grab, it tends to get worse each year.
Elaine Gallant
Jerry Anderson wrote in message <84vof0$aco$0...@63.65.164.130>...
>Except the point that everyone misses is .... THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T DO
>SQUAT!!!
Sure they do. They sell us programs that work against us. They pay young
teens to go on welfare and produce fatherless babies. Then they sell us
schools that can't teach, and foreign wars against people we don't know.
Once we blow up little brown people all around the world, we then send them
the big bucks in foreign aid.
>The high taxes and bad budgets were delivered by a Demo house & senate ...
>the lower(?) taxes and balanced(??) budgets were delivered by a Republican
>congress & senate. According to the US constitution (which is seldom
>followed) all revenue bills must originate in the house, and the Senate
must
>pass a similar bill. In this area, the Prez has no power, only some
>influence.
>
>The only thing Clinton has done is perjure himself, commit sexual predation
>on a girl not much older than his daughter, violate the constitution and
his
>oath of office in ways too varied to be numbered.
>
>And in case you think I'm not an equal opportunity bitter, Bush wasn't much
>better.
>
>Jerry
>"Grey Wolf" <gr...@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.12dc736c6...@news.earthlink.net...
>> In article <84taqq$k7j$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
>> elaine....@worldnet.att.net wisely refrained from saying more than...
>> > Additionally, we have never paid taxes at the
>> > present rates either, and taxes just keep going up every year.
>>
>> If you're referring to Federal Income Tax rates, they've come down.
>> Ironically, the highest rates were during Republican administrations; who
>> would think that it would be a Democrat Administration that would lower
>> tax rates and balance the budget. Go figger.
>>
gruhn
And fighting WW2 was a mistake because we didn't get overrun by German or
Japanese or other troops looking to enslave the US.
Elaine Gallant
As they spent just fine, I'd say who printed them was not my problem...at
least it's not my problem now.
JimMcCarty wrote in message <8509rk$ekr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <84vnlh$ea4$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Grey Wolf wrote in message ...
>> >In article <84re5p$d2p$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>,
>> >elaine....@worldnet.att.net wisely refrained from saying more
>than...
Jerry Anderson
fact absolves Slimy Willie from any wrong-doing?
Jerry
"Sojourner" <not...@summer.spam> wrote in message
news:38736B3D...@summer.spam...
> Jerry Anderson wrote:
> >
> > The only thing Clinton has done is perjure himself, commit sexual
predation
> > on a girl not much older than his daughter,
>
Jerry Anderson
passing the appropriation bill. The bail-out of Mexico _MIGHT_ be an
exception, but a congress with functioning endocrine glands would have
deprived Bill of *his* for that affront to the separation of powers.
Jerry
"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:84vvo7$a09$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
>
> Jerry Anderson wrote in message <84vof0$aco$0...@63.65.164.130>...
> >Except the point that everyone misses is .... THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T
DO
> >SQUAT!!!
>
>
> Sure they do. They sell us programs that work against us. They pay young
> teens to go on welfare and produce fatherless babies. Then they sell us
> schools that can't teach, and foreign wars against people we don't know.
> Once we blow up little brown people all around the world, we then send
them
> the big bucks in foreign aid.
>
>
> >The high taxes and bad budgets were delivered by a Demo house & senate
...
> >the lower(?) taxes and balanced(??) budgets were delivered by a
Republican
> >congress & senate. According to the US constitution (which is seldom
> >followed) all revenue bills must originate in the house, and the Senate
> must
> >pass a similar bill. In this area, the Prez has no power, only some
> >influence.
> >
> >The only thing Clinton has done is perjure himself, commit sexual
predation
Sojourner
I just bet you got you one a them rhinoceros dogs, too, don't you? Of
course you do - that's why there aren't any rhinoceri for miles around
your place.
Sojourner
>
> Never said she wasn't a willing participant - but do you really think that
> fact absolves Slimy Willie from any wrong-doing?
Just makes him not guilty of "sexual predation", that's all.
Phill-az
Presidential proclamation. 8-) Phill-az
C. Brunner
wrote:
>gruhn wrote:
>> [in response to this post:]
Yeah, that was my reaction at first, too. But I heard an interesting
commentary on the radio the other day (NPR?). A medical-type person
used the Y2K "fiasco" as an an example of the American public's
reaction to effective preventive medicine. Flu season coming? What
if there's a nation-wide program costing billions of dollars, and
EVERYONE gets a 100%-effective flu shot? Result: No one gets the
flu. Public reaction: People proclaim that the massive flu
vaccination program was unnecessary, because the flu never arrived.
She used the same argument with several other examples of truly
effective preventive medicine. Result: Nobody gets the disease.
Reaction: People conclude that the disease would not have occurred
anyway.
The only way to really test whether the preventive measures were
effective, is to leave some individuals unprotected. (It's like
evaluating earthquake-proof or hurricane-proof construction methods by
comparing the "protected" buildings to the adjacent ones that weren't
protected.) I doubt that major businesses or essential governmental
agencies [are there any?] would have been willing to leave certain
"mission-critical" computer systems unmodified, "just to see if the
preventive measures were necessary."
OTOH, we already know (and knew) that computer systems needed to be
modified. Thousands of businesses and offices and laboratories ran
Y2K tests earlier in the year, that revealed defects in date-dependent
stuff. They fixed 'em. Other businesses etc. did not do anything, or
didn't catch everything, and there were a few glitches on Jan. 1 as a
result. But nobody died. We havent' even heard that anyone was
seriously disadvantaged (at least in the U.S.).
The effect of the Y2K rollover on actual computer functions, and the
impact of the pre-Y2K preventive measures at that level, was
observable. As to whether those preventive measures prevented a
world-wide cultural meltdown and reversion to stone-age society,
well.... I never did buy that rhinoceros dog.
C. Brunner
Jason Hernandez
>teller.
When I walk out my door today, that big tree will probably not fall on me, but
then again, there's always a chance. Should I wear a hardhat and say I'm
prepared to be wrong?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large
talavaya4u
> Y2K bugs, millennium, terrorists, riots in the streets, collapse of
the
> currency, collapse of the government, ad nauseam. This was the biggest
> non-event of the month/year/decade/century/millennium.
Awwww Grey Wolf, I can't help but tell you the same thing I told a
heckler in deja's misc.survivalism group...I'll just substitute your
name for his... since we (me & you) seem to be of the same subspecies
(see sig), I won't call you a heckler, troll or any other such thing...
Y’know, Grey Wolf, this is the best tasting crow I’ve ever eaten
<sighs with relief> . While I dine, I ponder on all the things I’ve
learned in the process of catching this valuable crow...I’m more
self-sufficient than I’ve ever been, mentally, physically and
spiritually. For the past couple of years, I’ve applied what I’ve
learned and won't be totally clueless if/when just about any kind of
shit hits the fan...
The crow named Self-Sufficiency is mighty damned good (and more filling
than any steak I've ever bought in the supermarket). I am almost ashamed
to admit that if Y2K was never a perceived threat, I may not have EVER
bothered to discipline myself to learn how to be this self-reliant.
Now, THAT'S a good feeling...sorta like dessert to go with that crow.
BTW, I won't be returning a single item to the store...saved tons of
money by buying in bulk and there isn't a single thing that I won't use.
Ahh well, some folks just can't stand to examine the tragic consequences
of possibly being wrong. 'Tis a shame when the solution really isn't all
that painful...even on a tight budget. Grant you, some folks went crazy
buying stuff they really didn't need; the wise and prudent shopper
won't...
Sharon Lonewolf
--
"Genius is making a way out of no way"
Jason Hernandez
>to admit that if Y2K was never a perceived threat, I may not have EVER
>bothered to discipline myself to learn how to be this self-reliant.
Will it last? I am reminded of what my Y2K-homesteading mother said, that many
people turned more strongly to God during the past year or so. The problem is,
lots of people "turn to God" in times of crisis, then forget God again when
times are good. When you can stay close to God even when it appears that you
don't need to, that is the true test. I suspect the same applies to
self-reliant lifestyle.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large
Hangfire
I love all the Jan 2nd ''told you so'' posts. Some people were hedging
thier bets.
Anyone who went all out and wasted money went too far. Anyone who kept
no extra food, on a regular basis, is betting.
Survivalism is a way of life, not a fashion statement.
Raul Almquist
Gent...@webtv.net (Hangfire) wrote:
> If your real hungry.
>
> I love all the Jan 2nd ''told you so'' posts. Some people were hedging
> thier bets.
Yeah, I know.
> Anyone who went all out and wasted money went too far. Anyone who kept
> no extra food, on a regular basis, is betting.
>
> Survivalism is a way of life, not a fashion statement.
Putting up extra supplies all the time is a way of life for me. So it
was funny when strangers would see my pantries last year and accuse me of
being a nutty survivalist or Y2K'er or the like, and they could never
understand why such statements always made me laugh until I showed them
the put up dates marked on each thing.
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Raul Almquist wrote in message ...
> Putting up extra supplies all the time is a way of life for me. So it
>was funny when strangers would see my pantries last year and accuse me of
>being a nutty survivalist or Y2K'er or the like
Mormons are required by their leadership to always have a year's supply of
food on hand. No one ever said anything negative about them for it. Around
the time I first heard of this practice of theirs, I thought how wise they
were in forethought. Besides...there was no particular event they were
preparing against...just preparing for the sake of being prepared.
I'll never quite get how preparation got a bad name? There were plenty of
people saying that Y2K could easily wreck complete havoc with the supply
system.
Armed with a reason for a prep that many think necessary anyway, Y2K
represented to me a good kick in the rear to get that spare food in place.
Raul Almquist
> were in forethought. Besides...there was no particular event they were
> preparing against...just preparing for the sake of being prepared.
> I'll never quite get how preparation got a bad name? There were plenty of
> people saying that Y2K could easily wreck complete havoc with the supply
> system.
Yeah, and as usual with the lefty loonies on the one hand stating that
there is no need to worry, and on the other hand that you should put up
some supplies just in case, and on the Perjurer Clinton's hand he stated
that hording was a criminal action (being the criminal he is, he should
know :_))...
bussard
Raul Almquist <str...@ShadowMAC.org> wrote in >
> Yeah, and as usual with the lefty loonies on the one hand stating that
> there is no need to worry,
And, also as usual, the "lefty loonies" were right.. he he he he
Elaine Gallant
By chance. They knew no more about the situation than anyone else did.
Besides, they cried wolf so many times, people tend not to belive them
anyway.
bussard wrote in message ...
Raul Almquist
<bus...@bright.net> wrote:
> Raul Almquist <str...@ShadowMAC.org> wrote in >
> > Yeah, and as usual with the lefty loonies on the one hand stating that
> > there is no need to worry,
> 0
>
>
> And, also as usual, the "lefty loonies" were right.. he he he he
How could THEY miss.. after all they covered most every possibility :_(
I could never miss as well if all I do is state all of the possibilities
as if they were actualities.